[WWI] French Yellow
dr-i.417.17 at cox.net
Wed Apr 23 11:08:01 EDT 2014
Thanks for the all the great answers guys
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Subject: Re: [WWI] French Yellow
JR seems to have the right idea here, Nieuport used the light yellow on some
of the N.11's such as the one flown by Victor Chapman, also on Caudron and
various other two seaters, and on the SPAD aircraft such as the SPAD VII,
XII and early S.XIII. I just re-read Alan Toelle's book on the Breguet 14,
and he says that the fabric surfaces were clear doped while the metal areas
were painted with Ripolin, an oil based pigmented varnish that was mixed to
closely match the fabric. But it was not a perfect match, usually appearing
darker than the fabric areas. Alan calls the color used Beige, not French
Yellow. I'm not sure about the SPAD, it could have had a pigmented varnish
mixed with the dope over the fabric areas.
Mister Kit has a pre-mixed French Light Yellow which is a good base color
for the SPAD fabric. The Mister Kit Beige is one of the colors for the
later 5 color camouflage so should not be used for the early Yellow SPAD.
As far as Model master paints go, I could not find an exact match out of the
box to the Mister Kit paint, but British Gulf LT Stone may be a good
starting point, mix that with white 50/50 and you should be close to the
French yellow fabric color. Mix The Gulf LT Stone with some ANA 616 SAND
and you should have a good color for the metal parts.
Hope this helps...
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>From what I have read, the French "yellow" was not a true CDL (used on
earlier French aircraft) but an actual color specified by the military.
There is speculation that aluminum powder was added to this light yellow to
make it more opaque.
The metal parts were painted to closely match the yellow color, just as the
later camouflage colors matched the fabric tones. On the preserved S.VII of
Guynemer, the color is a light beige, but apparently there was some
variation. On Victor Chapman's Nieuport, the color is described as "cream".
In photos, sometimes the SPADs look darker, rather than lighter; more on the
On my models, I make the metal portions a slightly different tint than the
metal, usually lighter to indicate some weathering of the doped fabric.
From: <mailto:dr-I.417.17 at cox.net> dr-I.417.17 at cox.net
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Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2014 13:18:55 -0500
Subject: Re: [WWI] WAS French blue Now French CDL?
Hi, out of lurk mode here.
Just picked up a nice SPAD double kit, just curious about the
French ?all yellow? finish. Looking at the SPAD VII on line it
appears that the fabric portions are tinted CDL. But what about the metal
portions? Was this a paint mixed to match the CDL color or was it the same
color used on the fabric?
And anyone have any suggestions for Model Master paint equivalent
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