[WWI] Friedrichshafen FF 43

tim mixon mixontda at att.net
Thu Oct 17 12:45:22 EDT 2013


Could they be similar to the lines on a Pfalz D-III?  although they do appear to go over the wing as through them.


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   1. Re: Friedrichshafen FF 43 question (Crawford Neil)
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   4. Re: Friedrichshafen FF 43 question (ernest thomas)
   5. Re: Friedrichshafen FF 43 question (Carlos Carreira)
   6. Re: Friedrichshafen FF 43 question (Stephen Cox)
   7. Re: Added:Rumpler C.I (Joseph Pezold)
   8. IPMS Silverwings 2013 contest and show (r_niles1 at juno.com)


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Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2013 07:13:54 +0000
From: Crawford Neil <Neil.Crawford at volvo.com>
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Maybe the pilots complained the the wing trailing edge was fluttering, so they braced it a bit more? What I'd have done if I was a designer, luckily I'm not!
/Neil

From: WWI [mailto:wwi-bounces at wwi-models.org] On Behalf Of Carlos Carreira
Sent: den 17 oktober 2013 1:36
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Subject: [WWI] Friedrichshafen FF 43 question

Hi all,

I am gathering information about the FF 43 to add some detail to the (surprisingly very nice!) Airframe kit. Main sources are the Harleyford book of marine aircraft (from where the scale drawings that come with the kit were taken) and the more recent book by Jack Herris "German Seaplane Fighters of WWI". I don't think we will ever see a Datafile of this one-off.

I don't understand the "inverted V strut(?)" that comes out of the fuselage at the starboard side of the pilot. It is probably related with something above the wing, but what?

Here are some pics taken after a Google search:

http://flyingmachines.ru/Images7/Putnam/German/373-1.jpg
http://airspot.ru/catalogue_image/filename/2227/thumb/ff43-i.jpg
http://www.airwar.ru/image/idop/fww1/ff43/ff43-2.jpg
http://crimso.msk.ru/Images6/MM/MM-138/1012-66-2-1.jpg

Attached are fragments of photos from Jack Herris book, where the thing can be seen in more detail.

In the center section of the wing is a flat radiator and what seems to be an oil tank. The Spandaus are located in each side of the engine. What can it be?

Thanks in advance!

Carlos
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Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2013 09:47:56 +0100
From: Carlos Carreira <cacarr1960 at gmail.com>
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On Thu, Oct 17, 2013 at 8:13 AM, Crawford Neil <Neil.Crawford at volvo.com>wrote:

>  Maybe the pilots complained the the wing trailing edge was fluttering,
> so they braced it a bit more? What I?d have done if I was a designer,
> luckily I?m not!****
>
> /Neil
>

Neil, I don't think so. Any reiforcement would make sence to be made at the
rear spar, where the cabanes attach. Moreover, looking at the second photo
attached, the "V" is curved as seen from the front and is clearly
"attached" to something more inner than the fuselage longeron.

Thanks anyway!

Carlos
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Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2013 10:43:13 +0100
From: Stephen Cox <steveoldglebe at gmail.com>
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Is it possible they are cranks to operate the ailerons?  I can?t see any
cables connected to the ailerons as you see on other FF aircraft.
Steve


On 17/10/2013 09:47, "Carlos Carreira" <cacarr1960 at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Thu, Oct 17, 2013 at 8:13 AM, Crawford Neil <Neil.Crawford at volvo.com>
> wrote:
>> Maybe the pilots complained the the wing trailing edge was fluttering, so
>> they braced it a bit more? What I?d have done if I was a designer, luckily
>> I?m not!
>> /Neil
> 
> Neil, I don't think so. Any reiforcement would make sence to be made at the
> rear spar, where the cabanes attach. Moreover, looking at the second photo
> attached, the "V" is curved as seen from the front and is clearly "attached"
> to something more inner than the fuselage longeron.
> 
> Thanks anyway!
> 
> Carlos
> 

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Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2013 04:54:08 -0500
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That's a conspicuator.


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Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2013 00:36:19 +0100
From: cacarr1960 at gmail.com
To: wwi at wwi-models.org
Subject: [WWI] Friedrichshafen FF 43 question

Hi all,
I am gathering information about the FF 43 to add some detail to the (surprisingly very nice!) Airframe kit. Main sources are the Harleyford book of marine aircraft (from where the scale drawings that come with the kit were taken) and the more recent book by Jack Herris "German Seaplane Fighters of WWI". I don't think we will ever see a Datafile of this one-off.

I don't understand the "inverted V strut(?)" that comes out of the fuselage at the starboard side of the pilot. It is probably related with something above the wing, but what?

Here are some pics taken after a Google search:
http://flyingmachines.ru/Images7/Putnam/German/373-1.jpg

http://airspot.ru/catalogue_image/filename/2227/thumb/ff43-i.jpg
http://www.airwar.ru/image/idop/fww1/ff43/ff43-2.jpg

http://crimso.msk.ru/Images6/MM/MM-138/1012-66-2-1.jpg

Attached are fragments of photos from Jack Herris book, where the thing can be seen in more detail.

In the center section of the wing is a flat radiator and what seems to be an oil tank. The Spandaus are located in each side of the engine. What can it be?
Thanks in advance!

Carlos                            
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Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2013 10:54:29 +0100
From: Carlos Carreira <cacarr1960 at gmail.com>
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On Thu, Oct 17, 2013 at 10:43 AM, Stephen Cox <steveoldglebe at gmail.com>wrote:

>  Is it possible they are cranks to operate the ailerons?  I can?t see any
> cables connected to the ailerons as you see on other FF aircraft.
> Steve
>
>
I also thought about it, but isn't it a strange solution? Even more, on the
starboard side only? One thing I am almost sure: it's a moving thing, given
the size of the fuselage holes.

C
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Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2013 11:35:52 +0100
From: Stephen Cox <steveoldglebe at gmail.com>
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I agree it looks odd both on one side, but given where they are, if you had
one on each side the pilot would have even more fun that usual getting in
and out of the cockpit.
Steve

On 17/10/2013 10:54, "Carlos Carreira" <cacarr1960 at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Thu, Oct 17, 2013 at 10:43 AM, Stephen Cox <steveoldglebe at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Is it possible they are cranks to operate the ailerons? ?I can?t see any
>> cables connected to the ailerons as you see on other FF aircraft.
>> Steve
>> 
> 
> I also thought about it, but isn't it a strange solution? Even more, on the
> starboard side only? One thing I am almost sure: it's a moving thing, given
> the size of the fuselage holes.
> 
> C
> 

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Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2013 05:06:27 -0700 (PDT)
From: Joseph Pezold <pezo8481 at bellsouth.net>
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Bud,
?
????? Your RUMPLER looks fantastic!? 
?
Buz


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? Bud Pearson sent in photos of his
Rumpler C.I,
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Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2013 15:38:41 GMT
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Subject: [WWI] IPMS Silverwings 2013 contest and show
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Greetings all
I know that Bud just put this up for Gabe, but here is the "hot poop from group" on our annual bash.

IPMS Silverwings, Sacramento Ca is proud to announce their annual contest and show will be held on December 7, 2013 at a new venue.
Our new location will be:
Town and Country Lutheran Church
4049 Marconi Ave
Sacramento Ca 95821

Show time is 9am to 4pm

Our theme this year is "DAYS OF Infamy - Pearl to Guadalcanal"

We always have a great turnout for WW1, so come out and have some fun.

Thanks all

Russ


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