[WWI] Sopwith Camel Questions

Kerry Lynn kerlyn2001 at verizon.net
Wed Aug 21 23:14:13 EDT 2013

The identifying feature of the B.R.1 is the polygonal crankcase. You could
fashion one out of card (you'd have to lay out a nonagon) and glue the 
cylinders to it.  However, the cowling from the kit would not look quite 
as all the B.R.1 Camels had a larger cowl to accommodate the larger diameter
engine.  It basically followed the flare of the fuselage rather than being a
constant diameter.  Roden got it right in their 1/72 Bentley F.1 Camel.


On 8/21/13 8:53 PM, pfalzdvii at comcast.net wrote:
> As to the 'open' vs 'closed' looking at many Camel pics in my 
> references, almost all of the "Naval" Camels seem to be closed type, 
> but the famous pic of a lineup of N10 Camels shows both, it may have 
> been a modification done at unit level, at the preference of the 
> pilots, rather than at manufacture. As to the Bentley, BR1, Aeroclub 
> announced one about a year ago, but I don't know if it was ever 
> released. (In any case, it has the same double pushrod front as the 
> Clerget,) so...
> Merrill
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *From: *"Mike Vice" <jmikl2957 at comcast.net>
> *To: *wwi at wwi-models.org
> *Sent: *Wednesday, August 21, 2013 1:28:03 PM
> *Subject: *[WWI] Sopwith Camel Questions
>                 OK, all you Camel experts, I've got a couple of 
> questions for you!  They're in reference to Eduard's 1/48 Kit #8055, 
> the non-profi Sopwith F.1 Camel (RNAS).
>                 One of the markings options is for a machine, B7202, 
> delivered to 9N on 23 Jan 1918 and flown by the squadron for about two 
> weeks before it was transferred to 10N on 4 Feb 1918.  Instead of 
> roundels on the fuselage sides it's got these lovely 
> blue-edged-in-grey-and-white sloping and circular fuselage band 
> markings, plus a white center section with two blue horizontal stripes.
>                 But now to the questions about the kit, which offers 
> two upper forward fuselage pieces, C2 and C7.  As you might expect, 
> the kit instructions merely suggest "choose one."  (!)  They are 
> rather different from one another.  What I'll call the "open" option, 
> C7, is a piece with leather only partially surrounding the pilot and 
> the space ahead being more open to the guns.  The "closed" option has 
> kind of a circle look, with leather totally surrounding the pilot.  
> Looking at the GA drawings in _The Camel File_ (Sheet 1, p. 254 ff.) 
> it looks like part C2, the "closed" piece, belongs to the prototype 
> Camel and subsequent 130hp Clerget machines.  The "open" option, C7, 
> appears to be for late production machines (140 hp Clergets); the 
> appropriate drawing looks to be Sheet 8 of the GAs.  For BR.1-powered 
> machines it looks like the "closed" option applies (GA Sheet 9) but 
> I'm not sure.
>                 B7202 was a BR.1-powered Clayton and Shuttleworth 
> product that wasn't delivered until the Camel was fairly prevalent in 
> British squadrons but was certainly delivered before the long-stroke 
> 140hp Clergets came into squadron use.  So what's your suggestion, use 
> C2 "closed" or C7 "open"?  I suspect the answer is "closed."
>                 Next question: there are two sets of wheels/tyres in 
> the kit but they look pretty much the same.  Which should I use?
>                 And lastly, as noted, B7202 was BR.1-powered.  I'm 
> pretty sure the engine in the kit is a Clerget.  Correct?  Or not?  If 
> it's a Clerget, is there an Eduard kit that includes a BR.1 that I can 
> switch with the engine in the kit?  If not, does anyone have a 
> suggestion for finding a 1/48 BR.1 that I can put into the kit?
>                 Per usual, TIA.
>                                 Mike

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