[WWI] Help needed re scale depiction of wing ribs

[Jim Landon]

<<In most cases, we add to the cockpits because there is normally nothing there to start with.>>
 
Yes but sometimes I see where a modeler has omitted the kit's seat, joystick, rudder bar, side wall detail, instrument panel, etc. and replaced it all with a scratch-built or aftermarket interior details. There is an enormous amount of resin and PE aftermarket detailing sets on the market.  
 
And obviously a modeler has every right to simply assemble a kit straight out of the box with tube glue and spray it with an aerosol paint can.
 
<<The wings are a scale representation of the real airplane, right or wrong, it is already there.>>
 
Yes but I've seen where modelers have cut top wings in half and inserted a scratch-built center section, or extended the wing tips, or cut the ailerons away from the wing and positioned the ailerons in a banking attitude, etc.<<I don't try to convince every one to build as I do, nor do I want every one else to try and convince me to build to their standards.>>
 
I agree completely. I didn't mean that anybody HAD to add wing detail. I was just trying to share my ideas with those who WANT to do it.
 
<<Turn buckles in those scales would be too small to model accurately.  Some sort of representation is all that is needed.  Your minds eye will fill in the blanks when you look at the model.>>
 
Right again ... if that's what you prefer. But look at these tb's" 
http://www.aeroscale.co.uk/modules.php?op=modload&name=SquawkBox&file=index&req=viewtopic&topic_id=115266&page=1
 
<<Bottom line, build for you and have fun doing it.  If you see something some one else has done that you like, ask them how they did it, and then figure out how can achieve the same end result.  It may be by doing what they have done as they have done it, or by modifying their techniques to suit your style of building.  By all  means, learn from others.  That is what has been so great about this list for so long.  We all are willing to share what we do, and will pass on hints and tips to any who ask.  If they follow what we do to the letter, great.  If they change it up a bit, who cares.  Who knows, you may be exposed to a better way of doing what you did to start with.>>
 
I VIOLENTLY AGREE 100%.
 
Jim


From: huggins1 at swbell.netTo: wwi at wwi-models.orgDate: Wed, 2 Apr 2008 21:19:42 -0500Subject: Re: [WWI] Help needed re scale depiction of wing ribsAs mentioned, I only know of major rib rework when what is given is either grossly over done or noticeably wrong.  In most cases, we add to the cockpits because there is normally nothing there to start with.  The wings are a scale representation of the real airplane, right or wrong, it is already there.  If you are doing a 100 percent accurate model for a client, a museum that requires the accuracy or because that is what floats your boat, then great.  Most of us build to suit our own degree of insanity.  I don't try to convince every one to build as I do, nor do I want every one else to try and convince me to build to their standards.  This is a hobby, and it is supposed to be fun.  Most wings in 1/72 and 1/48 scale are fine out of the box with in some cases a little refinement in the trailing edges.  

Turn buckles in those scales would be too small to model accurately.  Some sort of representation is all that is needed.  Your minds eye will fill in the blanks when you look at the model.  Along time ago, I tried to accurately detail the cockpits and wheel wells of my models.  What I ended up with was a pile of reference materials, a lot of bits and pieces and by the time I got the fuselage together, I had lost interest in the project, and nothing got finished for about 5 years.  Part of this madness was because I was trying to build to some one else's standards and for contest judges, not for me.  

About the end of this dry spell a national winning modeler I knew opened my eyes to a very real fact.  You can't duplicate every thing on a model airplane to scale.  To start with, if the exterior is to 1/72 scale, the cockpit and wheel wells will have to be in a much smaller scale in order to fit. In addition, some things cannot be duplicated in scale, you have to represent them as best as you can.  His advise to me was to go look in the cockpit of a real plane (or at a photograph) for 10 seconds.  Then only replicate what really stands out (the major parts).  The rest of it is made up of non discriminate bits, pieces and paint dots.  When it is finished, painted and installed, your minds eye will fill in the blanks, and it will look like there is very much more there than what is actually done.

Bottom line, build for you and have fun doing it.  If you see something some one else has done that you like, ask them how they did it, and then figure out how can achieve the same end result.  It may be by doing what they have done as they have done it, or by modifying their techniques to suit your style of building.  By all  means, learn from others.  That is what has been so great about this list for so long.  We all are willing to share what we do, and will pass on hints and tips to any who ask.  If they follow what we do to the letter, great.  If they change it up a bit, who cares.  Who knows, you may be exposed to a better way of doing what you did to start with.

JP

On Apr 2, 2008, at 5:48 PM, Jim Landon wrote:

On the Flckr web site listed below I have posted photos that show my research into how wing rib caps, fabric valleys, rib stitches and rib tapes should be represented on wwi models. It seems to me that most wwi modelers attempt to make cockpit details, engine details, gun details, props, paint schemes, markings etc. as accurate as humanly possible, but tend to neglect wing surface details. I submit that the same attention to detail should be applied to wing surface detail. I'd like to know what you all think about this. You can easily post comments on the Flickr site (and I'm anxious to see if I get the promised emails from Flickr when people post comments). And of course if you prefer you can post comments here on the list. Or both places. There are also new photos of the lower wing of my 1:48 Eduard Nieuport 11 where I am attempting to apply my research. I need help to find a better way to depict the rib caps (not rib tapes). I am also experimenting with ways to make teeney-weeney stitches and suggestions are VERY welcome. TIA Jim http://www.flickr.com/gp/14279793@N06/u2rE9W 


From: thegreatlandoni at hotmail.comTo: wwi at wwi-models.orgDate: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 21:29:31 +0000Subject: Re: [WWI] Attaching pix to posts (was: New models postes)<<Flickr is quite good as well.>> Thanks Diego old buddy old pal. When I went there to check it out I found that I was already a member. !!?? Then I slowly remembered that I had to sign up one time long ago when a classmate posted high school reunion photos on Flickr. So I posted 11 OT photos and I'm now a Flickr fan. Everybody please try this link and let me know if you get in without registering (I chose the "public" option). And please comment on the pix either there or here. http://www.flickr.com/gp/14279793@N06/u2rE9W Jim> From: dfernet0 at rosario.gov.ar> To: wwi at wwi-models.org> Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 14:47:07 -0300> Subject: Re: [WWI] Attaching pix to posts (was: New models postes)> > > I'll look into "shutterbug". I've heard of something called "photo> bucket".> > Flickr is quite good as well.> D.> unless you want to post filthy pictures.> 
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