[WWI] Help needed re scale depiction of wing ribs

Thu Apr 3 04:12:11 EDT 2008

Thanks John, That makes sense:-)
/Neil


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	From: wwi-bounces at wwi-models.org
[mailto:wwi-bounces at wwi-models.org] On Behalf Of John Huggins
	Sent: den 3 april 2008 04:20
	To: World War I Modeling Mailing List
	Subject: Re: [WWI] Help needed re scale depiction of wing ribs
	
	
	As mentioned, I only know of major rib rework when what is given
is either grossly over done or noticeably wrong.  In most cases, we add
to the cockpits because there is normally nothing there to start with.
The wings are a scale representation of the real airplane, right or
wrong, it is already there.  If you are doing a 100 percent accurate
model for a client, a museum that requires the accuracy or because that
is what floats your boat, then great.  Most of us build to suit our own
degree of insanity.  I don't try to convince every one to build as I do,
nor do I want every one else to try and convince me to build to their
standards.  This is a hobby, and it is supposed to be fun.  Most wings
in 1/72 and 1/48 scale are fine out of the box with in some cases a
little refinement in the trailing edges.  

	Turn buckles in those scales would be too small to model
accurately.  Some sort of representation is all that is needed.  Your
minds eye will fill in the blanks when you look at the model.  Along
time ago, I tried to accurately detail the cockpits and wheel wells of
my models.  What I ended up with was a pile of reference materials, a
lot of bits and pieces and by the time I got the fuselage together, I
had lost interest in the project, and nothing got finished for about 5
years.  Part of this madness was because I was trying to build to some
one else's standards and for contest judges, not for me.  

	About the end of this dry spell a national winning modeler I
knew opened my eyes to a very real fact.  You can't duplicate every
thing on a model airplane to scale.  To start with, if the exterior is
to 1/72 scale, the cockpit and wheel wells will have to be in a much
smaller scale in order to fit. In addition, some things cannot be
duplicated in scale, you have to represent them as best as you can.  His
advise to me was to go look in the cockpit of a real plane (or at a
photograph) for 10 seconds.  Then only replicate what really stands out
(the major parts).  The rest of it is made up of non discriminate bits,
pieces and paint dots.  When it is finished, painted and installed, your
minds eye will fill in the blanks, and it will look like there is very
much more there than what is actually done.

	Bottom line, build for you and have fun doing it.  If you see
something some one else has done that you like, ask them how they did
it, and then figure out how can achieve the same end result.  It may be
by doing what they have done as they have done it, or by modifying their
techniques to suit your style of building.  By all  means, learn from
others.  That is what has been so great about this list for so long.  We
all are willing to share what we do, and will pass on hints and tips to
any who ask.  If they follow what we do to the letter, great.  If they
change it up a bit, who cares.  Who knows, you may be exposed to a
better way of doing what you did to start with.

	JP

	On Apr 2, 2008, at 5:48 PM, Jim Landon wrote:
	

		On the Flckr web site listed below I have posted photos
that show my research into how wing rib caps, fabric valleys, rib
stitches and rib tapes should be represented on wwi models.
		 
		It seems to me that most wwi modelers attempt to make
cockpit details, engine details, gun details, props, paint schemes,
markings etc. as accurate as humanly possible, but tend to neglect wing
surface details.
		 
		I submit that the same attention to detail should be
applied to wing surface detail.
		 
		I'd like to know what you all think about this. You can
easily post comments on the Flickr site (and I'm anxious to see if I get
the promised emails from Flickr when people post comments). And of
course if you prefer you can post comments here on the list. Or both
places.
		 
		There are also new photos of the lower wing of my 1:48
Eduard Nieuport 11 where I am attempting to apply my research. I need
help to find a better way to depict the rib caps (not rib tapes).
		 
		I am also experimenting with ways to make teeney-weeney
stitches and suggestions are VERY welcome.
		 
		TIA
		 
		Jim
		 
		http://www.flickr.com/gp/14279793@N06/u2rE9W
		 
		
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			From: thegreatlandoni at hotmail.com
			To: wwi at wwi-models.org
			Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 21:29:31 +0000
			Subject: Re: [WWI] Attaching pix to posts (was:
New models postes)
			
			<<Flickr is quite good as well.>>
			 
			Thanks Diego old buddy old pal. When I went
there to check it out I found that I was already a member. !!?? Then I
slowly remembered that I had to sign up one time long ago when a
classmate posted high school reunion photos on Flickr.
			 
			So I posted 11 OT photos and I'm now a Flickr
fan.
			 
			Everybody please try this link and let me know
if you get in without registering (I chose the "public" option).
			 
			And please comment on the pix either there or
here.
			 
			http://www.flickr.com/gp/14279793@N06/u2rE9W
			 
			Jim
			
			
			> From: dfernet0 at rosario.gov.ar
			> To: wwi at wwi-models.org
			> Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 14:47:07 -0300
			> Subject: Re: [WWI] Attaching pix to posts
(was: New models postes)
			> 
			> > I'll look into "shutterbug". I've heard of
something called "photo
			> bucket".
			> 
			> Flickr is quite good as well.
			> D.
			> unless you want to post filthy pictures.
			> 
			
			
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