[WWI] Gratuitous posting

[Andy Bannister]

I appreciate the info Joe. I think what I really don't get is why in hell
anyone would want to enter a competition like this! For the life of me I
can't see what the appeal would be. Surely there must be just the same tired
old subjects over and over again simply because they are the only ones that
can be proved to be accurate?? Thanks, but I think I'll stick to plastic
models, and even at that I gave up competitions years ago. Took all the fun
out of it for me...

Cheers,
Andy


> 
> You arent getting my point andy.
> 
> 1: yes I agree very much that this is just a hopbby and 
> whatever a person 
> likes or prefers is all that matters.
> 
> 2: I am stating actual Scale competition rules. if someone tells you 
> something is not correct you have no right to tell them 
> bollocks as in scale 
> competition it is up to YOU to prove to the judges that you 
> have the correct 
> colors.
> 
> 
> again there is nothing wrong with taking someones written AND 
> PUBLISHED ( 
> need to be published in the rules for some reason maybe 
> giving more credence 
> that someone writing their own version up) color version. but then if 
> someone says it was standard British WWI green then you need 
> to optain a 
> color photo or cloth swatch of raf WWI green to add to your 
> ref book so that 
> the judge has something to match to.
> 
> like I said I know nothing abt plastic model competition but I do r/c 
> competition. Now theres only like 5 points awarded on paint 
> matching so some 
> can just say hey its what I want, but then be prepared to 
> lose 5 points but 
> when there is a .01 point gap between winning and second 
> place you want all 
> the points you can get. 50% is based on static points and 50% 
> on an average 
> of several rounds of flying.
> 
> in the end it all depends if you want to settle for 2nd place 
> and below 
> consistantly or win the competition. the correct paint scheme 
> you can do all 
> you want on your personal planes to make you happy , but when 
> you compete 
> you have to sacrifice your own personal feelings sometimes in 
> order to be 
> able to accurately document enough for competition.
> 
> Joe
> 
> this is a nice discussion at least I have been in some that went into 
> flaming and I respect that we are able to have a decent 
> conversation. if you 
> would like to read the competition regulations just out of 
> curiosity you can 
> grab the PDF from this link 
> http://www.scalemasters.citymax.com/f/2007CompGuide-1-9-Final.
> pdf they also 
> use  the AMA competition regulations in addition to these. 
> and overseas they 
> use even strictor guidelines than these making color and 
> markings very hard 
> and limiting.
> 
> Joe
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> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Andy Bannister" <a.bann at ntlworld.com>
> To: "'World War I Modeling Mailing List'" <wwi at wwi-models.org>
> Sent: Friday, November 23, 2007 5:41 PM
> Subject: Re: [WWI] Gratuitous posting
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> >
> > No Andy its not the fact you are wrong that I was stating it's the 
> > fact that the rhinebeck Version isn't wrong. it is the version they
> > CHOSE!!!. thats
> > where the purist thought is what irks me. Just because 
> someone models
> > something in a scheme others believe is not accurate doesn't
> > mean it is
> > incorrect as it is painted in the way they CHOOSE to paint it.
> 
> No, sorry, in this case it is wrong. It is not a version, it 
> is a paint scheme and in this particular case the 
> photographic & historical evidence
> (ie: the documented colours of the aircraft's unit) is 
> completely at odds with what Rhinebeck has painted their 
> D.VII. By your logic I could enter a Dr.I painted in metallic 
> purple with racing stripes on and call it Richtofen's and I 
> would be correct. If I enter a red Dr.I and someone tells me 
> it isn't the correct shade of red then that's a different 
> story and in that case I believe I'm perfectly within my 
> rights to tell them to go fornicate with themselves, but to 
> go way off base so it doesn't even remotely resemble the 
> original is just fantasy. If that's what you want to do then 
> fair enough, all power to you; it is just a hobby for our own 
> personal gratification after all. Just don't get upset when 
> people tell you it's the wrong colour, because you're just 
> asking for it if you enter a model with a paint job based on 
> your own personal preference rather than any resemblance to 
> the real object. Again, if - for some bizarre reason - you 
> want to model the Rhinebeck aircraft rather than the aircraft 
> it's actually supposed to represent then it's prefectly 
> reasonable for you to tell someone the colour isn't wrong 
> because it's based on an incorrect modern reproduction rather 
> than the original aircraft.
> 
> Having entered a good many competitions myself - admittedly 
> in the plastic model field and not R/C - I have to say I 
> think you're talking complete bollocks! If every model 
> entered had to be proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that it's 
> colours are absolutely correct then there would never be any 
> WWI aircraft entered; in fact, there might not be any 
> aircraft entered from any era - ever. All the 'proof' you'd 
> need in this case would be documentation stating what the 
> colours of the seven swabians D.VII are BELIEVED to have been 
> and why - and there is plenty of that kind of 'proof' 
> available. I don't think there's a judge alive - at least I 
> hope there isn't - who would state, "I'm sorry Joe, you've 
> lost the competition because you tried to represent the 
> original aircraft. Had you chosen the modern reproduction you 
> would have won, despite the fact that it bears no resemblance 
> to the accepted colours of this aircraft".
> 
> Andy
> 
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