[WWI] "hostage" feedback

Sat Mar 3 10:25:08 EST 2007

fwiw Ernest,

Firstly, if I receive the item and it's in the condition I agreed to I will
not leave negative feedback. Period. If it took 7 weeks and the seller was
as non-communicative as your I'd certainly leave a neutral and explain why.

Why leave feedback? The theory is it benefits the community of users by
helping to identify both sellers AND buyers who could do a better job. It
works pretty well, all-in-all.

Too much time? Don't go there...it took you longer to type that second
paragraph than it would have taken you to leave feedback on your other six
lifetime transactions. You go to the page with your pending transactions in
"my e-Bay" and click the appropriate feedback button (pos, neut., neg). You
can stop right there and the process would have taken something under a
minute for all six. It's good for to leave a message, but a "stock" message
is certainly fine. "Item as described" works fine. Now you're up to two
minutes TOPS because if you were leaving that six times you would have cut
and pasted, right?

Scottrik

-----Original Message-----
From: wwi-bounces at wwi-models.org [mailto:wwi-bounces at wwi-models.org]On
Behalf Of ernest thomas
Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2007 8:14 AM
To: wwi at wwi-models.org
Subject: Re: [WWI] "hostage" feedback

BUmmer. Oh well, give him some negative feedback. Whatever that's worth.
This discussion caused me to go look at the feedback my account has been
given over the years.
With a whopping ebay score of 7, I've got one negative, and that was
retaliation from a seller(a large American retail outlet it seems) who was
paid the 'buy it now' price for a hard to find DVD. After no sign of the
item for 2 weeks, I made two attempts to contact seller though ebay channels
with no reply, then tried again through paypal dispute channels,again with
no reply. Just as it was getting close to the date that paypal would have
been forced to give me a refund, the item showed up, 7 weeks after I paid
for it. I gave negative feedback, simpy saying the seller refused to
communicate at all when I tried to track the late package. The seller then
gave me negative feedback, saying I gave him a negative without making any
effort to communicate, then called me a 'beginner'.
Being only a buyer so far, why would I even care about such feedbacK? Am I
in danger of having someone refuse to sell to me because of it? I can't
imagine a more meaningless threat.
Another question: I think the only feedback I've ever given was that one
negative. Don't think I've ever given positive, even when asked, simply
because I've usually got better things to do with my time. I know these
people who make their living selling on ebay want good ratings, but I figure
no feedback from me can't hurt them, can it? Is silence somehow considered a
negative?
If so, I'm even less interested in doing business on ebay. I feel getting my
money is all the endorsment a seller should need. Why should I be forced to
give personal testimonies of my experience too? If I'm expected to be a
spokes-model, I want spokes-model pay.
E.

"One of the worst forms of censorship is what people are not being told."
Jello Biafra

>From: "Magnus Berggren" <carius at comhem.se>
>Reply-To: World War I Modeling Mailing List <wwi at wwi-models.org>
>To: "World War I Modeling Mailing List" <wwi at wwi-models.org>
>Subject: Re: [WWI] "hostage" feedback
>Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2007 14:25:35 +0100
>
>The kit was only £5, and really I just wanted one with a fresh box, in
>original shape. Now I got a piece of trash instead.....
>
>/Magnus
>
>----- Original Message ----- From: "ernest thomas" <reason108 at hotmail.com>
>To: <wwi at wwi-models.org>
>Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2007 11:32 AM
>Subject: Re: [WWI] "hostage" feedback
>
>
>>All of this for the Life-Like Hawker Fury? I'm going to assume you had to
>>have the L-L issue for some reason? Because the Lindberg release should
>>still be available for cheap, no?
>>E.
>>
>>
>>>From: "Magnus Berggren" <carius at comhem.se>
>>>Reply-To: World War I Modeling Mailing List <wwi at wwi-models.org>
>>>To: "World War I Modeling Mailing List" <wwi at wwi-models.org>
>>>Subject: Re: [WWI] "hostage" feedback
>>>Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2007 09:00:11 +0100
>>>
>>>I really don´t think I´m imagining thing, but even if I am, I believe
>>>that it´s my right to leave negative feedback on any transaction that I
>>>wasn´t happy about. Mr Weier mentioned the capitalist system, but this is
>>>the total opposite. Good capitalism is based on giving the best possible
>>>price to the customer, and by this making him come back to you. This is
>>>how the the west differs from the rest, and why we won the economic war
>>>in the last 5 centuries. We left the basaar system, and understood that
>>>it more efficient to skip all the time consuming haggling and bickering,
>>>and make more transactions in less time. It cuts down the transaction
>>>costs. Make both buyer and seller happy, and the odds of them doing
>>>business again increases proportionally. But it also needs an open flow
>>>of information (feedback), otherwise we all will go back to the basaar
>>>system again. Some say we already have, and even if it´s not happened
>>>full out yet, I tend to believe that´s a high risc, if business ethics
>>>will continue to crumble at the rate it has the last 20 years.
>>>Anyway,  he got his money, and will get negative feedback, and I will
>>>have a crushed £17 ($34) Lifelike Hawker Fury.
>>>
>>>/Magnus
>>>
>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "ernest thomas"
>>><reason108 at hotmail.com>
>>>To: <wwi at wwi-models.org>
>>>Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2007 5:02 AM
>>>Subject: Re: [WWI] "hostage" feedback
>>>
>>>
>>>> >From: "Shane Weier" >E says
>>>>>
>>>>>>>And all because you don´t want to pay ebay for their service?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>That fact hasn't been established in your case, has it?
>>>>>
>>>>>No, but I've read about the technique on at least four forums in the
>>>>>last coupleof weeks, both by buyers and sellers.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>I only brought up that point to try and keep things in perspective, and
>>>>deal with jjust the facts, which are, Mangus feels like he got raped on
>>>>postage, without benefit of KY. Does it matter why the seller did it?
>>>>Probably not to Mangus. BUt sitting around imagining the worst motives
>>>>isn't going to help, unless the anger he(Mangus) feels is whats keeping
>>>>him warm this winter.
>>>>E.
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