[WWI] ot: Ebay shipping costs

[Michael Kendix]

Scottrik:

True.  You're correct. And Magnus could have taken care of it by asking, if 
he'd known.

I would want to know who this vendor is because I would not trade with them 
for two reasons:

1. Reducing Ebay costs by shifting price to S&H is dishonest.
2. Charging 12 quid and spending 2 quid  on S&H. Not stating upfront, 
exactly what shipping material and method is to be used is deceit by 
omission.

To me, being dishonest in this way is a signal that they are not to be 
trusted. If this was a face-to-face transaction and I could verify the 
goods, I wouldn't have a problem.  Experience has taught me that people do 
not confine their dishonesty to one particular thing or person.

And, yes, you might say "Well that's your choice" but the problem is that 
because of a few ill-behaved vendors, the vast majority of honest vendors 
have to go through the 3rd degree of questioning, thereby increasing the 
time and effort for everyone.

I would say that if the vendor is cost-shifting in this way, he is the one 
who needs to look out because Ebay is going to think twice about allowing 
him to operate if they find out. If, as some claim, this is justified 
because Ebay is some big evil entity, I would respond that vendors accept 
this contract voluntarily and if they don't like it, they shouldn't enter 
into the contract.

Michael


>From: "Scottrik" <scottrik at noisymuse.com>
>Reply-To: World War I Modeling Mailing List <wwi at wwi-models.org>
>To: "World War I Modeling Mailing List" <wwi at wwi-models.org>
>Subject: Re: [WWI] ot: Ebay shipping costs
>Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2007 13:21:50 -0700
>
>
>Whatever.
>
>People also complain about the "victim mentality" running rampant in the
>world too.
>
>You weren't screwed, you've just wound yourself up to believe you have 
>been.
>Unless the seller specified a shipping method you got EXACTLY what you
>contracted for.
>
>Scottrik
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: wwi-bounces at wwi-models.org [mailto:wwi-bounces at wwi-models.org]On
>Behalf Of Magnus Berggren
>Sent: Friday, March 02, 2007 1:11 PM
>To: World War I Modeling Mailing List
>Subject: Re: [WWI] ot: Ebay shipping costs
>
>
>Exactly. Just because there legal ways to scxxw you over, it doesn´t mean
>that you have to like it. The feedback system is all about that.
>There´s no absolute rule about what reasons to give negative feedback, and
>for me this is a perfectly good reason to use it in that way.
>And really, I hate the "nobody put a gun to your head" and "you shouldn´t
>have bid if you didn´t want it. I bid because I wanted it, and yes, I paid.
>But I paid to get reasonable service, and a kit in a jiffy ain´t it. This 
>is
>a question about moral, and nothing else. People complain about the 
>decadent
>young, but every day I see people my age or older, not so seldom wearing
>suits, doing the best to steal my hard earned money.
>And no, just because the seller didn´t specify anything in the "shipping
>fee", it doesn´t mean that it´s OK to charge whatever you want. If you 
>leave
>your car to the mechanics for service, you presume that he will at least
>check the oil and the spark plugs. If he then states that to him the 
>opening
>of the bonnet, checking if "everything looks okey" is service, it doesn´t
>hack it. The word service means a lot more, just as £12 shipping doesn´t
>mean £1.45 postage, a jiffybag and £10 pounds in the pocket. It should
>include a service equal to the cost.
>
>/Magnus
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Andy Bannister" <a.bann at ntlworld.com>
>To: "'World War I Modeling Mailing List'" <wwi at wwi-models.org>
>Sent: Friday, March 02, 2007 8:27 PM
>Subject: Re: [WWI] ot: Ebay shipping costs
>
>
> > Scott:
> >
> >>
> >> If it says "postage" or "shipping", you may have a point that
> >> such cost has been mis-represented and you may be getting
> >> "pyrite for gold", though I think that may well be
> >> overstating the case unless the seller DID specify a higher
> >> level of service than provided. I'd also argue you agreed to
> >> the price up-front, but that's why they play the ballgame, right?
> >>
> >> If it says "postage and handling", "postage and packing",
> >> "P&P" or any such, they're in the clear because at this point
> >> by bidding you are merely agreeing to compensate them
> >> handsomely for whatever effort and materials (minimal though
> >> they may be) they spent "handling" or "packing" your order.
> >> My observation is that most sellers playing this game are
> >> careful to use one of the latter strategies.
> >>
> >> The simple fact is YOU are in undeniable, absolute, 100%,
> >> incontrovertible control over whether you bid or not in such
> >> an auction. If you don't like the shipping terms your choice
> >> is very simple...don't bid. You could contact the seller
> >> AHEAD OF TIME and ask for a reduced/more realistic rate and
> >> get committment to same, etc and then bid. I just choose not
> >> to do business with them.
> >>
> > Perfectly reasonable. The bottom line though as far as I'm concerned is
> > that it is a deliberately dirty & underhanded practice regardless of the
> > semantics and those that practice it shouldn't be surprised if people
> > complain or leave them negative feedback. One good shafting deserves
> > another
> > I say....
> > Andy
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>

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