[WWI] Scale black

[Andy Bannister]

Well, I beg to differ Michael. I use black straight out of the tin on my
models and I'm quite happy with the way they look and I've yet to be accused
of building toys. I wasn't suggesting the black had to be gloss, nor did I
say that the scale colour crowd only used gull gray. 
I do, however, agree with you about the overly shiny car & airliner models.
Yes, I admire the deep flawless finishes some guys can get after hours of
polishing but they look totally unrealistic. But your argument is all about
the finish and has nothing to do with toning down colour. Your scale black
model would be just as unrealistic with an excessively glossy finish as mine
would with straight black and an overly glossy finish.
Andy



> -----Original Message-----
> From: wwi-bounces at wwi-models.org 
> [mailto:wwi-bounces at wwi-models.org] On Behalf Of Michael Kendix
> Sent: 18 November 2006 19:24
> To: wwi at wwi-models.org
> Subject: Re: [WWI] Scale black
> 
> 
> Andy:)
> 
> No problem. Paint your scale model JPS gloss black - it'll 
> look like a 
> frigging shiny gloss black toy that just rolled out of the 
> flippin' Dinky 
> factory.
> 
> Same thing goes for black crosses on a WW1 aeroplane: I wish 
> I could do them 
> in off-black but cannot figure out how to do a nice mask.
> 
> I am not suggesting these things be painted gull grey - just 
> add a tiny 
> touch of grey to the black mix. If it's done correctly it 
> won't be obvious 
> that you've done it. If you paint it straight black, it will 
> be obvious 
> because it'll look like a toy.
> 
> Yes, I am aware that most car modelers paint their kits 
> without any scale 
> effect and glossed up to the flippin' eyeballs: that's why I can't be 
> bothered to even peruse them at the various conventions. Yes, 
> I know it's 
> really hard to get that perfectly smooth glossy of glossiest, 
> shiny, shiny 
> shine. But it looks boring, boring, boring and toy-like, in 
> my view. Same 
> thing goes for some civilian aircraft. Yes, that 747 requires 
> extraordinary 
> workmanship to get that flawless shiny gloss white 
> Dipped-in-Future look. 
> When it's done though, it looks like one of those things the 
> airlines give 
> away as a desk model - totally boring and lacking in 
> dimensional effect.
> 
> Maybe the light is different in Bolton, Lancashire - closest 
> I've been is 
> Preston and is was fairly normal there:).
> 
> Michael
> 
> >From: "Andy Bannister" <a.bann at ntlworld.com>
> >
> >Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2006 18:21:45 -0000
> >
> >"Scale colour" is perhaps my biggest pet peeve so being the 
> opinionated 
> >b*stard I am I just  can't leave this alone. To my eye, substituting 
> >black with dark gray just looks "wrong". Harry Woodman uses 
> artists as 
> >an example but artists (painters that is) work in 2 
> dimensions and they 
> >use scale colour and perspective to create the illusion of a 3rd 
> >dimension. Using this same technique on a 3 dimensional model is 
> >inappropriate and unnecessary. If, for instance, the model 
> was part of 
> >a large scale diorama where the angle of viewing was controlled then 
> >scale colour techniques would be quite effective to simulate 
> distance, 
> >but a model sitting on your shelf if finished by  scale 
> colour "rules" 
> >will only appear to have faded paint. It won't look any more 
> like the 
> >real thing sitting 72 or 48 feet away than a
> >toy rubber monkey will look like a giant ape because it is 
> totally out of
> >context.
> >If a german aircraft has black crosses then a model of it 
> should have black
> >crosses, not gray ones. Similarly, if you're modelling 
> Jacobs' triplane 
> >then
> >it would look strange if it is gray instead of black. And as 
> I mentioned on
> >our previous discussion of this topic, this whole scale 
> colour malarkey
> >seems confined to the military modelling world, civvie aircraft & car
> >modellers don't bother with it at all, if they're even aware 
> of it. I'll
> >cite again my examples of a dark gray John Player's Special 
> Lotus and a
> >Quantas Airlines 747 in pale red and off-white - how odd 
> would they look?
> >And if you take it to the nth degree then 1/700 scale ships 
> would be pretty
> >much white overall.
> >All just my very opinionated opinion on the subject of course...
> >Andy
> >
> >CEO, Editor in Chief, Choreographer, Teaboy www.warpedplastic.co.uk
> >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: wwi-bounces at wwi-models.org 
> [mailto:wwi-bounces at wwi-models.org] 
> > > On Behalf Of Dennis Ugulano
> > > Sent: 18 November 2006 13:02
> > > To: WWI Model Airplanes
> > > Subject: [WWI] Scale black
> > >
> > >
> > > Everyone,
> > >
> > >     This subject came up a while back and I was always under the 
> > > impression that black was black.  But, if someone were to build a 
> > > fighter in black, would it be black black or some gray in it?  
> > > Inquiring minds need to know.
> > >
> > > Dennis
> > >
> > >
> > > email:  djuggie(at)comcast(dot)net
> > > http://wwi.priswell.com/
> > > Page Revised 7/8/2006
> > > "Each modeler will rise to their own level
> > > of masochism."
> > >
> >
> >
> 
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