Paul (of the lovely Spad 16) should check his dates, Quite right Neil, I can only run off with them into the sunset, cackling madly. No, I assumed the UK do would be earlier, in October. The 2002 Dutch Nats were Nov. 16th, and I don't yet have a date for 2004, just went by this years. So that doesn't help a lot, does it? Paul T.