CCI Digest 845 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) An old chestnut by "Alyson Christy" 2) William Barker Documentary, Canada's History TV, Wed,19 March by "Colin Huston" 3) John Tessimond-Collier by "John Grech" 4) "Finest" fighter sqn? by "Jay Gilmour" 5) Re: An old chestnut by "Nicholas Rutter" 6) Re: An old chestnut by Steve Cox ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 09:17:54 -0000 From: "Alyson Christy" To: "CCI CCI" Subject: An old chestnut Message-ID: Hi All, This has probably been asked before but where did the French idea of using the roundel for aircraft ID come from? I have had a request for this information. Regards, Joel ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 14:53:13 -0000 From: "Colin Huston" To: Subject: William Barker Documentary, Canada's History TV, Wed,19 March Message-ID: <004801c2ea39$8c560bc0$0201a8c0@Blue> For everyone interested: ON WEDNESDAY MARCH 19TH A DOCUMENTARY ENTITLED, The Hero's Hero - The Forgotten Life of William Barker, WILL BE BROADCAST ACROSS CANADA ON HISTORY TELEVISION AT 10:00 PM EASTERN STANDARD TIME (repeated at 1:00 AM, Thursday morning), AND 7:00 PM PACIFIC STANDARD TIME (repeated at 10:00 PM). The documentary is based on Wayne Ralph's book BARKER VC - The Life, Death and Legend of Canada's Most Decorated War Hero, available in hard or softback from Amazon, and from all good bookshops worldwide. Those folks in UK with satellite dishes may be able to get it real time, otherwise watch out for it appearing on one of Sky's History Channels. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 18:47:20 -0000 From: "John Grech" To: "Discussion group" Subject: John Tessimond-Collier Message-ID: <005a01c2ea5a$24d46250$b97c69d5@your9al5izx2s9> Hi all, Collier served with 66 squadron (Perhaps the finest fighter squadron the RFC/RAF had?) He was wounded on 4 May 1917. Does any one have any Charterhouse School information as he attended between 1910-1913. Nick Thanks for the info on Harling Road. John ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 11:27:23 -0800 From: "Jay Gilmour" To: Subject: "Finest" fighter sqn? Message-ID: <000a01c2ea5f$bdbd7ce0$b59027d8@jagil> John Grech wrote: > Hi all, Collier served with 66 squadron (Perhaps the finest fighter squadron > the RFC/RAF had?) Interesting question. How does one evaluate a squadron's performance/contribution? If the primary criterion is 'victories', do they follow the flyers (a la Bishop), or should they remain with the squadron. How do we assign a value to the successful raids on dirigible sheds and recon information that allowed/prevented major assaults. What measures should be applied? Thank you, John. I'll have to give that some thought. Best, Jay Gilmour ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 21:25:29 +0000 From: "Nicholas Rutter" To: cci@mustang.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: An old chestnut Message-ID:

Alyson,

According to Purnell's History Of The World Wars Warplanes Special, the French adopted the blue-white-red roundels in 1912, based on the cockade of the Revolutionary era.  These were placed "in all areas considered normal, except for the fuselage sides."  I assume this layout was chosen because it was easily recognisable to observers on the ground and could not be confused with the Maltese Cross configuration used by most of the Central Powers, unlike the Union Jack/St. George Cross that was originally used by the British. 

Incidentally, when the RFC adopted the French roundel system and reversed the colour scheme so that blue was the outermost ring, they didn't follow suit with the rudder markings.  Why was this, I wonder?

Hope this helps answer your question.

Regards,

Nick Rutter.

>From: "Alyson Christy"
>Reply-To: cci@mustang.sr.unh.edu
>To: Multiple recipients of list
>Subject: [CCI] An old chestnut
>Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 04:22:18 -0500 (EST)
>
>Hi All,
>
>This has probably been asked before but where did the French idea of using
>the roundel for aircraft ID come from? I have had a request for this
>information.
>
>Regards,
>
>Joel
>

Overloaded with spam? With MSN 8 you can filter it out ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 23:53:48 +0000 From: Steve Cox To: Subject: Re: An old chestnut Message-ID: According to my reference the Germans used a single chordwise back stripe as the marking up till September 1914 regards Steve =========================================== steve@oldglebe.freeserve.co.uk http://www.oldglebe.freeserve.co.uk/steveshome.html http://www.bramptonscalemodelclub.fsnet.co.uk If I didn't spend so much time on line ‹‹ I'd get some models finished ================ > From: "Nicholas Rutter" > Reply-To: cci@mustang.sr.unh.edu > Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 16:26:04 -0500 (EST) > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: [CCI] Re: An old chestnut > >
>

Alyson,

>

According to Purnell's History Of The World Wars Warplanes Special, the > French adopted the blue-white-red roundels in 1912, based on the cockade of > the Revolutionary era.  These were placed "in all areas considered > normal, except for the fuselage sides."  I assume this layout was chosen > because it was easily recognisable to observers on the ground and could not be > confused with the Maltese Cross configuration used by most of the Central > Powers, unlike the Union Jack/St. George Cross that was originally used by the > British. 

>

Incidentally, when the RFC adopted the French roundel system and reversed > the colour scheme so that blue was the outermost ring, they didn't follow suit > with the rudder markings.  Why was this, I wonder?

Hope this helps > answer your question.

>

Regards,

>

Nick Rutter.

>
>
>From: "Alyson Christy" >
>Reply-To: cci@mustang.sr.unh.edu >
>To: Multiple recipients of list >
>Subject: [CCI] An old chestnut >
>Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 04:22:18 -0500 (EST) >
> >
>Hi All, >
> >
>This has probably been asked before but where did the French > idea of using >
>the roundel for aircraft ID come from? I have had a request for > this >
>information. >
> >
>Regards, >
> >
>Joel >
> >

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