CCI Digest 834 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) 138th Aero Pursuit Squadron by peter.lambert@us.army.mil 2) FW: Harling Road 1.3.03 by Nick Forder 3) Re: RFC/RAF in Mesopotamia by "Peter Wright" 4) FW: [AB-IX] Parke Spin by Nick Forder 5) FW: [AB-IX] Parke Spin (and other Firsts) by Nick Forder 6) FW: [AB-IX] Re: Parke Spin by Nick Forder 7) Parke Spin by Nick Forder 8) Hinch by Nick Forder 9) Hinch by Nick Forder 10) Hinch and the Fokker FII by Nick Forder 11) Re: RFC/RAF in Mesopotamia by peter.lambert@us.army.mil 12) Re: RFC/RAF in Mesopotamia by Nick Forder 13) Re: RFC/RAF in Mesopotamia by peter.lambert@us.army.mil 14) Re: RFC/RAF in Mesopotamia by "Peter Wright" 15) Re: RFC/RAF in Mesopotamia by "Andy Kemp" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 02 Mar 2003 22:03:58 -0600 From: peter.lambert@us.army.mil To: cci@mustang.sr.unh.edu Subject: 138th Aero Pursuit Squadron Message-ID: <24f66eb24f5ca4.24f5ca424f66eb@us.army.mil> I also plan on conducting some research on the U.S. 138th Aero Pursuit Sq in the future. My wife's grandfather flew with them in WWI, and has a great deal of materials from his time with the unit (photos, training documents, etc...) If anyone is interested in the unit please let me know PEte ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 07:55:36 -0000 From: Nick Forder To: "Cci (E-mail)" Subject: FW: Harling Road 1.3.03 Message-ID: <059A77A01B10D611B19C00065B19D2F33F893D@EXCHANGE> Harling Road, sometimes known locally as Roudham, is located at East Harling, Norfolk. OS Ref. 144/TL978874. Some of the buildings remain, used by a haulage contractor. Regards, Ray Towler ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 08:18:17 -0000 From: "Peter Wright" To: Subject: Re: RFC/RAF in Mesopotamia Message-ID: <002d01c2e15d$8ec94b40$d5278351@NELLIE> Pete, The Society can offer you two issues of our Journal which carry articles on the air campaign in Mespot. They are Vol 15 Nos 1 and 2 and will cost £4.00 per issue. If interested, send me a check (payable 'Cross & Cockade International') or use your card. Peter Wright - Sales Manager. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Monday, March 03, 2003 4:02 AM Subject: [CCI] RFC/RAF in Mesopotamia > I am new to this discussion board so I will introduce myself: I am currently writing a Master's thesis on the conduct of air operations in the Mesopotamian Campaign. I have had good luck to have a good researcher for me at the PRO in London to assist my efforts. Anyone who might be interested in anything about my research, or have any interesting leads I might want to look into, please do not hesitate to let me know. > > Thanks > Pete > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 08:24:54 -0000 From: Nick Forder To: "Cci (E-mail)" Subject: FW: [AB-IX] Parke Spin Message-ID: <059A77A01B10D611B19C00065B19D2F33F8941@EXCHANGE> Wilfred Parke was a naval lieutenant who in August 1912, recovered from a spin accidently, as he put it, "doing everything wrong". [source: The Royal Flying Corps in W.W.1. by Ralph Barker. p.193.] The text goes on to state that his experience aroused interest, but the control movements which brought about his escape, although analysed, were never confirmed for circulation to all pilots and instructors. See also Glauert, H. The Investigation of the Spin of an Aeroplane. (Advisory Committee for Aeronautics, June, 1919). The first man who it is claimed set down the procedure for getting out of a spin is Major Frank Godden, test pilot at Farnborough, who in August 1916, "in view of recent accidents", spun an FE8 and summarised his method of recovery, as 1. Switch off motor; 2. Control stick put central and pushed forward; 3. Rudder put in centre. [source: ibid pp. 193-194.] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 08:25:15 -0000 From: Nick Forder To: "Cci (E-mail)" Subject: FW: [AB-IX] Parke Spin (and other Firsts) Message-ID: <059A77A01B10D611B19C00065B19D2F33F8942@EXCHANGE> The Guinness Book of Aircraft Facts and Feats (first issued 1970, with editions in 1973, 1977, 1984 & 1985 at least) has much more detail on Lt Wilfrid Parke RN than on Belgian Bonanzas! He was "flying the Avro cabin tractor biplane during the [1912] Military Trials" on 25 August, with his observer Lt Le Bretton RFC, at 600 ft. He appears to have identified the solution - at only 50ft from the ground - by reversing the rudder after applying rudder into the direction of the spin merely tightened it. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 08:25:42 -0000 From: Nick Forder To: "Cci (E-mail)" Subject: FW: [AB-IX] Re: Parke Spin Message-ID: <059A77A01B10D611B19C00065B19D2F33F8943@EXCHANGE> The Dunstan Hadley book entitled "Only Seconds to Live - Pilot's Tales of the Stall and Spin" covers Lieutenant Wilfred Parke's Dive in some detail. Even the cover painting depicts the incident on 25th August 1912. The ISBN of the book is 1 85310 877 4. It has many references to the incident, including an extract from 'Flight' dated 31st August 1912 and even a photo of Parke emerging from his Avro Biplane after the incident. He was apparently killed in a Handley Page monoplane on December 15th of that same year, 1912. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 08:33:15 -0000 From: Nick Forder To: "'ab-ix@yahoogroups.com'" Cc: "Cci (E-mail)" Subject: Parke Spin Message-ID: <059A77A01B10D611B19C00065B19D2F33F8944@EXCHANGE> Parke was flying the Avro G Military Trials biplane at the time of 'Parke's Dive'. I have a certain amount of contemporary and 'modern' information on this, as well as a good photograph of the aircraft. This was collected as part of research for the MSIM Avro F Reproduction Project. Lindemann claimed to have 'solved' the spin problem also (see 'Professor in Two Worlds') but it is unclear (to me at least) whether Gooden and/or Busk recovered from a spin first. Of course all three were serving at Farnborough, both Gooden and Busk were killed in flying accidents, and so it is likely that it was Lindemann's work in this area that was remembered. Nick ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 09:30:18 -0000 From: Nick Forder To: "Cci (E-mail)" Subject: Hinch Message-ID: <059A77A01B10D611B19C00065B19D2F33F894B@EXCHANGE> There is a biog of one of the other 'characters' mentioned in the 'Airmen Who Would Nort Die'. This is EL Johnston, the navigator. 'Airship Navigator : One Man's Part in the British Airship Tragedy 1916-1930' was written by his son (EA Johnston) and available from the Airship Heritage Trust. Johnston served on SS and Coastal ships, was the navigator for R34's transatlantic flight and was employed by both Daimler and Imperial as a route navigator. He then served on R100 for the Canada flight and was killed in R101. It is not that much of a surprise that a great deal of the book concerns R101, but the book does deal with the non-rigid period in some detail (leaning heavily on Williams (Airship Pilot No28) and Meager). Nick ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 11:55:24 -0000 From: Nick Forder To: "Cci (E-mail)" Subject: Hinch Message-ID: <059A77A01B10D611B19C00065B19D2F33F8956@EXCHANGE> Fighter Pilot on the Western Front notes that Hinch was A Flt Commander for 210 Sqn and Crundall replaced him. The two had trained together at Cranwell, and flown a Bristol Scout on the same day (22 Dec 1916). Nick ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 14:51:51 -0000 From: Nick Forder To: "Cci (E-mail)" Subject: Hinch and the Fokker FII Message-ID: <059A77A01B10D611B19C00065B19D2F33F8960@EXCHANGE> A month later, following the demonstration to KLM at Schiphol, the aircraft was put through its paces at Soesterberg by the airline's pilot, W. G. R. Hinchliffe. He put his findings in a report in which he praised the performance achieved despite the aircraft's limited engine power. The F.II could take-off without payload in just 120 ft, and climb to 3,300 ft without effort. Hinchliffe found the controls so light that it was like flying a scout. He ascribed the aircraft's good qualities to its monoplane wing and excellent lift characteristics. By contrast, virtual all other civil aircraft in those days were biplanes. Hinchliffe did however find some negative points. The engine was too small, resulting in a poor speed performance - and it overheated easily because of inadequate cooling. In addition, he thought that the cabin windows were too small, and felt it should be possible to open them. He found it unpleasant that because of incorrect aircraft streamlining, the pilot experienced a constant draft. lso, for such a light aircraft, Hinchliffe preferred a control stick to a steering wheel which was more appropriate to heavier machines. Finally, Hinchliffe thought it better for the pilot to sit right inside the cockpit. This probably was a personal whim as he was blind in his left eye. In Hinchliffe's view, the advantages of the F.II more than outweighed its disavantages: there was scarcely a better aircraft in those days. And so on July 10, 1920, KLM officially ordered two F.IIs for an amount of 45,000 Dutch guilders. The machines were both handed over on August 25, 1920. On September 30 that year, Hinchliffe made KLM's first operational flight with the F.II to London airport Croydon. On board the aircraft were Albert Plesman, the aviation journalist of the moment Henri Hegener, and the Fokker mechanic S. Ellerman. Plesman was more than a little irritated that it had required five attempts before they succeeded in reaching London. They also took the opportunity to make demonstration flights from Croydon where representatives from the British Air Ministry and Press were present. Later, they flew to Cricklewood to show the F.II to the managements of Handley Page and Aircraft Transport & Travel. KLM leased its first aircraft from the latter company, and the demonstrations led to extensive coverage in the UK aviation press. Because the F.II cooling problems identified by Hinchliffe continued to be experienced, KLM, as a test, equipped one of its F.IIs with a 178 hp Mercedes engine. This suited neiher the F.II nor the engine, and the German power unit was subsequenty replaced by a 240 hp Armstrong Siddeley Puma. In response to the increased power, the speed went up to 93 mph. Despite the arrival of the newer F.III, the F.II remained in service with KLM until 1927. The aircraft were then sold to Sabena in Belgium. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Mar 2003 10:02:32 -0600 From: peter.lambert@us.army.mil To: cci@mustang.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: RFC/RAF in Mesopotamia Message-ID: <26ed4a826eeb45.26eeb4526ed4a8@us.army.mil> SOunds good. I will get on the website to get the details. THanks Pete ----- Original Message ----- From: Peter Wright Date: Monday, March 3, 2003 2:19 am Subject: [CCI] Re: RFC/RAF in Mesopotamia > Pete, The Society can offer you two issues of our Journal which carry > articles on the air campaign in Mespot. They are Vol 15 Nos 1 and > 2 and will > cost £4.00 per issue. If interested, send me a check (payable > 'Cross & > Cockade International') or use your card. > > Peter Wright - Sales Manager. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: "Multiple recipients of list" > Sent: Monday, March 03, 2003 4:02 AM > Subject: [CCI] RFC/RAF in Mesopotamia > > > > I am new to this discussion board so I will introduce myself: I am > currently writing a Master's thesis on the conduct of air > operations in the > Mesopotamian Campaign. I have had good luck to have a good > researcher for > me at the PRO in London to assist my efforts. Anyone who might be > interested in anything about my research, or have any interesting > leads I > might want to look into, please do not hesitate to let me know. > > > > Thanks > > Pete > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 16:06:50 -0000 From: Nick Forder To: "'cci@mustang.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: Re: RFC/RAF in Mesopotamia Message-ID: <059A77A01B10D611B19C00065B19D2F33F8963@EXCHANGE> Also, Tennant's 'In the Side Shows' deals with Mespot. This seems to have been missed by the companies offering reprints but turns up on 2nd hand lists from time to time. Nick -----Original Message----- From: peter.lambert@us.army.mil [mailto:peter.lambert@us.army.mil] Sent: 03 March 2003 16:12 To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [CCI] Re: RFC/RAF in Mesopotamia SOunds good. I will get on the website to get the details. THanks Pete ----- Original Message ----- From: Peter Wright Date: Monday, March 3, 2003 2:19 am Subject: [CCI] Re: RFC/RAF in Mesopotamia > Pete, The Society can offer you two issues of our Journal which carry > articles on the air campaign in Mespot. They are Vol 15 Nos 1 and > 2 and will > cost £4.00 per issue. If interested, send me a check (payable > 'Cross & > Cockade International') or use your card. > > Peter Wright - Sales Manager. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: "Multiple recipients of list" > Sent: Monday, March 03, 2003 4:02 AM > Subject: [CCI] RFC/RAF in Mesopotamia > > > > I am new to this discussion board so I will introduce myself: I am > currently writing a Master's thesis on the conduct of air > operations in the > Mesopotamian Campaign. I have had good luck to have a good > researcher for > me at the PRO in London to assist my efforts. Anyone who might be > interested in anything about my research, or have any interesting > leads I > might want to look into, please do not hesitate to let me know. > > > > Thanks > > Pete > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Mar 2003 10:46:58 -0600 From: peter.lambert@us.army.mil To: cci@mustang.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: RFC/RAF in Mesopotamia Message-ID: <27355a32735836.273583627355a3@us.army.mil> I managed to get my hands on a first edition of Tennant's In the Clouds Above Baghdad...what I would really like to see is the book written by the No. 72 Squadron commander, which is equally hard to find. Pete ----- Original Message ----- From: Nick Forder Date: Monday, March 3, 2003 10:18 am Subject: [CCI] Re: RFC/RAF in Mesopotamia > Also, Tennant's 'In the Side Shows' deals with Mespot. This seems > to have > been missed by the companies offering reprints but turns up on 2nd > handlists from time to time. > > Nick > > -----Original Message----- > From: peter.lambert@us.army.mil [peter.lambert@us.army.mil] > Sent: 03 March 2003 16:12 > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: [CCI] Re: RFC/RAF in Mesopotamia > > > SOunds good. I will get on the website to get the details. THanks > Pete > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Peter Wright > Date: Monday, March 3, 2003 2:19 am > Subject: [CCI] Re: RFC/RAF in Mesopotamia > > > Pete, The Society can offer you two issues of our Journal which > carry> articles on the air campaign in Mespot. They are Vol 15 Nos > 1 and > > 2 and will > > cost £4.00 per issue. If interested, send me a check (payable > > 'Cross & > > Cockade International') or use your card. > > > > Peter Wright - Sales Manager. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > To: "Multiple recipients of list" > > Sent: Monday, March 03, 2003 4:02 AM > > Subject: [CCI] RFC/RAF in Mesopotamia > > > > > > > I am new to this discussion board so I will introduce myself: > I am > > currently writing a Master's thesis on the conduct of air > > operations in the > > Mesopotamian Campaign. I have had good luck to have a good > > researcher for > > me at the PRO in London to assist my efforts. Anyone who might be > > interested in anything about my research, or have any > interesting > > leads I > > might want to look into, please do not hesitate to let me know. > > > > > > Thanks > > > Pete > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 19:11:55 -0000 From: "Peter Wright" To: Subject: Re: RFC/RAF in Mesopotamia Message-ID: <001f01c2e1b8$d96fa580$b6f67ad5@NELLIE> Nick, 'In the Side Shows' was authored by Wedgie Benn's dad, Capt Wedgwood Benn, later Viscount Stansgate. I mention this only in case someone is looking for Tennant's name as author. Peter W. --- Original Message ----- From: "Nick Forder" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Monday, March 03, 2003 4:18 PM Subject: [CCI] Re: RFC/RAF in Mesopotamia > Also, Tennant's 'In the Side Shows' deals with Mespot. This seems to have > been missed by the companies offering reprints but turns up on 2nd hand > lists from time to time. > > Nick > > -----Original Message----- > From: peter.lambert@us.army.mil [mailto:peter.lambert@us.army.mil] > Sent: 03 March 2003 16:12 > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: [CCI] Re: RFC/RAF in Mesopotamia > > > SOunds good. I will get on the website to get the details. THanks > Pete > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Peter Wright > Date: Monday, March 3, 2003 2:19 am > Subject: [CCI] Re: RFC/RAF in Mesopotamia > > > Pete, The Society can offer you two issues of our Journal which carry > > articles on the air campaign in Mespot. They are Vol 15 Nos 1 and > > 2 and will > > cost £4.00 per issue. If interested, send me a check (payable > > 'Cross & > > Cockade International') or use your card. > > > > Peter Wright - Sales Manager. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > To: "Multiple recipients of list" > > Sent: Monday, March 03, 2003 4:02 AM > > Subject: [CCI] RFC/RAF in Mesopotamia > > > > > > > I am new to this discussion board so I will introduce myself: I am > > currently writing a Master's thesis on the conduct of air > > operations in the > > Mesopotamian Campaign. I have had good luck to have a good > > researcher for > > me at the PRO in London to assist my efforts. Anyone who might be > > interested in anything about my research, or have any interesting > > leads I > > might want to look into, please do not hesitate to let me know. > > > > > > Thanks > > > Pete > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 22:13:22 -0000 From: "Andy Kemp" To: Subject: Re: RFC/RAF in Mesopotamia Message-ID: <012801c2e1d2$3b2816e0$0100a8c0@DAD> Hi Peter My uncle flew with 72 Sqn ... and I've done some research into his life. I also have a draft autobiography of his time flying in WW1. Unfortunately I've not been able to come up with any good photos to accompany the work ... yet! His name was Douglas Lapraik ... Andy ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Monday, March 03, 2003 5:01 PM Subject: [CCI] Re: RFC/RAF in Mesopotamia > I managed to get my hands on a first edition of Tennant's In the Clouds Above Baghdad...what I would really like to see is the book written by the No. 72 Squadron commander, which is equally hard to find. > > Pete > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Nick Forder > Date: Monday, March 3, 2003 10:18 am > Subject: [CCI] Re: RFC/RAF in Mesopotamia > > > Also, Tennant's 'In the Side Shows' deals with Mespot. This seems > > to have > > been missed by the companies offering reprints but turns up on 2nd > > handlists from time to time. > > > > Nick > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: peter.lambert@us.army.mil [peter.lambert@us.army.mil] > > Sent: 03 March 2003 16:12 > > To: Multiple recipients of list > > Subject: [CCI] Re: RFC/RAF in Mesopotamia > > > > > > SOunds good. I will get on the website to get the details. THanks > > Pete > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Peter Wright > > Date: Monday, March 3, 2003 2:19 am > > Subject: [CCI] Re: RFC/RAF in Mesopotamia > > > > > Pete, The Society can offer you two issues of our Journal which > > carry> articles on the air campaign in Mespot. They are Vol 15 Nos > > 1 and > > > 2 and will > > > cost £4.00 per issue. If interested, send me a check (payable > > > 'Cross & > > > Cockade International') or use your card. > > > > > > Peter Wright - Sales Manager. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: > > > To: "Multiple recipients of list" > > > Sent: Monday, March 03, 2003 4:02 AM > > > Subject: [CCI] RFC/RAF in Mesopotamia > > > > > > > > > > I am new to this discussion board so I will introduce myself: > > I am > > > currently writing a Master's thesis on the conduct of air > > > operations in the > > > Mesopotamian Campaign. I have had good luck to have a good > > > researcher for > > > me at the PRO in London to assist my efforts. Anyone who might be > > > interested in anything about my research, or have any > > interesting > > > leads I > > > might want to look into, please do not hesitate to let me know. > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > Pete > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ End of CCI Digest 834 *********************