CCI Digest 820 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: (no subject) by "John Grech" 2) Re: peg legs/arms/eyes etc! by "malcolm BARRASS" 3) Re: peg legs/arms/eyes etc! by "John Grech" 4) Re: (no subject) by GaGin1@aol.com 5) Re: peg legs/arms/eyes etc! by "malcolm BARRASS" 6) FW: Marrj campain India 1918 by Nick Forder 7) Re: Books by Nick Forder 8) Re: Airfield Construction by Nick Forder 9) Re: The Air Weapon by Nick Forder 10) FW: [AB-IX] Thames aviation by Nick Forder 11) RE: Into Thin Air by Nick Forder 12) Marri by Nick Forder ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2003 18:43:48 -0000 From: "John Grech" To: Subject: Re: (no subject) Message-ID: <000b01c2d5eb$580ef000$b97c69d5@your9al5izx2s9> Lannie Air 1/2129/7027 Order of Battle dated 1/5/1918 7 Brigade/65 Wing Squadrons 49, 887, 88, 211 & 214 and 8 Aircraft Park John ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Friday, February 14, 2003 8:53 PM Subject: [CCI] (no subject) > Hi, All, > Could anyone with the original WIA look in the index for 1918 and tell me > what squadrons besdies Sqn 211 made up what Wing, May-July? > Lannie > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2003 18:59:25 -0000 From: "malcolm BARRASS" To: Subject: Re: peg legs/arms/eyes etc! Message-ID: <002301c2d5ed$86ff5100$2cc786d9@mb> Hi All Another one for WW2 was Sqn Ldr J A F MacLachlan, can't rember first name, but he loss his right arm, yet continued to fly an command No 1 Sqn in night intruder role. CO of No 1 - Jul 1941 to Aug 1942, KIA. Malcolm Barrass 'Air of Auhority' www.rafweb.org ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Grech" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2003 10:31 AM Subject: [CCI] peg legs/arms/eyes etc! > So far we have the following, > > British & Commonwealth WW1 > AVM R.L.G. Marix CBE DSO > J O Leach 56 Sqdn lost his leg 7 May 1917 > Frank Alberry 2 AFC lost leg in infantry > Wing Commander D. S. Gordon lost leg, > Leeche Canadian no other details > Major Lionel W B Rees VC (shot in leg but did not lose it, so I will put > him in the gammy leg class) > Sydney 'Timbertoes' Carlin 74 sqn lost leg > Alberon Lord Lucas of Sqn. 22 had a wooden leg > Arthur Whitten Brown - gammy leg > Ferdinand Maurice West VC - lost a leg on 10/8/1918, but did not return to > flying in WW1 > Mick Mannock Eye? > > > WW2 > Douglas Bader two legs > Colin Hodkingson's two legs > H M Massey (SBO at Stalag Luft III in WW2 > > > German WW1 > Walter Karjus Jasta 11 etc, one arm > Viktor Petermann of JG 52. one arm > > > > WW2 > Hans-Ulrich Rudel lost both legs in the late stages of WW2 > Ernesto Botto lost a leg in Spain and continued to fly throughout WW2 > > Coli - one eye > > > Russian > > French > Nungesser - more tin and pins than Barry Sheene, or so I'm told. > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2003 21:39:04 -0000 From: "John Grech" To: Subject: Re: peg legs/arms/eyes etc! Message-ID: <002b01c2d603$d38eeb00$b97c69d5@your9al5izx2s9> To Malcolm and all This is the only J A F MacLACHLAN, I can find in the October 1940 AFL who was kia according to the CWG. John JAMES ARCHIBALD FINDLAY MacLACHLAN DSO, DFC and Bar Squadron Leader 39639 Pilot Air Fighting Development Unit, Royal Air Force who died on Saturday 31 July 1943 . Age 24 . ----- Original Message ----- From: "malcolm BARRASS" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Sunday, February 16, 2003 6:59 PM Subject: [CCI] Re: peg legs/arms/eyes etc! > Hi All > > Another one for WW2 was Sqn Ldr J A F MacLachlan, can't rember first name, > but he loss his right arm, yet continued to fly an command No 1 Sqn in night > intruder role. CO of No 1 - Jul 1941 to Aug 1942, KIA. > > Malcolm Barrass > 'Air of Auhority' > www.rafweb.org > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John Grech" > To: "Multiple recipients of list" > Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2003 10:31 AM > Subject: [CCI] peg legs/arms/eyes etc! > > > > So far we have the following, > > > > British & Commonwealth WW1 > > AVM R.L.G. Marix CBE DSO > > J O Leach 56 Sqdn lost his leg 7 May 1917 > > Frank Alberry 2 AFC lost leg in infantry > > Wing Commander D. S. Gordon lost leg, > > Leeche Canadian no other details > > Major Lionel W B Rees VC (shot in leg but did not lose it, so I will put > > him in the gammy leg class) > > Sydney 'Timbertoes' Carlin 74 sqn lost leg > > Alberon Lord Lucas of Sqn. 22 had a wooden leg > > Arthur Whitten Brown - gammy leg > > Ferdinand Maurice West VC - lost a leg on 10/8/1918, but did not return to > > flying in WW1 > > Mick Mannock Eye? > > > > > > WW2 > > Douglas Bader two legs > > Colin Hodkingson's two legs > > H M Massey (SBO at Stalag Luft III in WW2 > > > > > > German WW1 > > Walter Karjus Jasta 11 etc, one arm > > Viktor Petermann of JG 52. one arm > > > > > > > > WW2 > > Hans-Ulrich Rudel lost both legs in the late stages of WW2 > > Ernesto Botto lost a leg in Spain and continued to fly throughout WW2 > > > > Coli - one eye > > > > > > Russian > > > > French > > Nungesser - more tin and pins than Barry Sheene, or so I'm told. > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2003 19:14:27 EST From: GaGin1@aol.com To: cci@mustang.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: (no subject) Message-ID: <1f1.203a27a.2b818363@aol.com> Dear John, Thank you very much for the information from WIA. Lannie ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 06:40:40 -0000 From: "malcolm BARRASS" To: Subject: Re: peg legs/arms/eyes etc! Message-ID: <001c01c2d64f$7d60ede0$749b87d9@mb> Yes John, thats the one. Malcolm Barrass 'Air of Autority' www.rafweb.org Air Britain 18070 ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Grech" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Sunday, February 16, 2003 9:40 PM Subject: [CCI] Re: peg legs/arms/eyes etc! > To Malcolm and all > This is the only J A F MacLACHLAN, I can find in the October 1940 AFL who > was kia according to the CWG. > > John > > JAMES ARCHIBALD FINDLAY MacLACHLAN DSO, DFC and Bar > > Squadron Leader > 39639 > Pilot > Air Fighting Development Unit, Royal Air Force > > who died on > Saturday 31 July 1943 . Age 24 . > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "malcolm BARRASS" > To: "Multiple recipients of list" > Sent: Sunday, February 16, 2003 6:59 PM > Subject: [CCI] Re: peg legs/arms/eyes etc! > > > > Hi All > > > > Another one for WW2 was Sqn Ldr J A F MacLachlan, can't rember first name, > > but he loss his right arm, yet continued to fly an command No 1 Sqn in > night > > intruder role. CO of No 1 - Jul 1941 to Aug 1942, KIA. > > > > Malcolm Barrass > > 'Air of Auhority' > > www.rafweb.org > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "John Grech" > > To: "Multiple recipients of list" > > Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2003 10:31 AM > > Subject: [CCI] peg legs/arms/eyes etc! > > > > > > > So far we have the following, > > > > > > British & Commonwealth WW1 > > > AVM R.L.G. Marix CBE DSO > > > J O Leach 56 Sqdn lost his leg 7 May 1917 > > > Frank Alberry 2 AFC lost leg in infantry > > > Wing Commander D. S. Gordon lost leg, > > > Leeche Canadian no other details > > > Major Lionel W B Rees VC (shot in leg but did not lose it, so I will > put > > > him in the gammy leg class) > > > Sydney 'Timbertoes' Carlin 74 sqn lost leg > > > Alberon Lord Lucas of Sqn. 22 had a wooden leg > > > Arthur Whitten Brown - gammy leg > > > Ferdinand Maurice West VC - lost a leg on 10/8/1918, but did not return > to > > > flying in WW1 > > > Mick Mannock Eye? > > > > > > > > > WW2 > > > Douglas Bader two legs > > > Colin Hodkingson's two legs > > > H M Massey (SBO at Stalag Luft III in WW2 > > > > > > > > > German WW1 > > > Walter Karjus Jasta 11 etc, one arm > > > Viktor Petermann of JG 52. one arm > > > > > > > > > > > > WW2 > > > Hans-Ulrich Rudel lost both legs in the late stages of WW2 > > > Ernesto Botto lost a leg in Spain and continued to fly throughout WW2 > > > > > > Coli - one eye > > > > > > > > > Russian > > > > > > French > > > Nungesser - more tin and pins than Barry Sheene, or so I'm told. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 08:14:27 -0000 From: Nick Forder To: "Cci (E-mail)" Subject: FW: Marrj campain India 1918 Message-ID: <059A77A01B10D611B19C00065B19D2F33F87FA@EXCHANGE> Nick, Not lot I can say at present - very difficult to find information on thsi one. It was actually called the Marri campaign and service on could earn you the British War & Victory medals as it counted as war service. Its dates were from (and including) 18th February to the 8th April 1918. It was not one of the normal NWF campaigns - I think it was in in the Sind/ Baluchistan area. I think the South Lancashire regiment took part, in fact I am pretty darn sure. It was a case of showing the flag in places it had not been seen for a good while and to calm so restless natives. 31st Lancers *might* have taken part and the Kent Cyclist Battalion did take part: After moving to Ferozepore the Battalion went into action again on the Frontier in Baluchistan against the Marri and Khetran tribes at Fort Monro and at Barkhan in March and April 1918. The Battalion was awarded the Battle Honours of 'North-West Frontier 1917' and 'Baluchistan 1918'. Regards Matthew ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 08:24:16 -0000 From: Nick Forder To: "'cci@mustang.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: Re: Books Message-ID: <059A77A01B10D611B19C00065B19D2F33F87FD@EXCHANGE> While having the nominal roll on a database would be very useful, the idea of a straight reprint shouldn't be dismissed either. If necessary this could be on a CD-Rom. Archive-Britain produces the August 1914 Navy List on CD-Rom for £9.99 (plus VAT), as opposed to the N&MP paperback reprint of the August 1914 Army List which is £26.00. Nick -----Original Message----- From: Captain Bigglesworth [mailto:biggles_rfc@hotmail.com] Sent: 15 February 2003 21:23 To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [CCI] Re: Books I have suggested to N & M Press that they should consider producing a searchable database of the RAF Muster Roll April 1918 - the cost of manually transposing data onto a database was somehere in the order of £25,000. Neither N & M Press or Public Record Office were interested RAF Museum whilst intersted, had not funds There is a strong possibility of two early Air Force Lists being available on a database (CD Rom) with additional details (i.e. showing which officers served previously with RNAS and RFC) It will not be just the May 1918 issue, but also the scarer April 1918 edition, which had details corrected to 1 Feb 1918 It should be pointed out that the 'April 1918' Air Force List produced by J B Hayward / Savannah is NOT the April issue but the slightly expanded issue produced in May 1918, which also carries a note inside the cover to state that this is just a list of officers and that the order in which they appear does not indicate seniority, the issue of seniority was to be corrected in a future issue ! Hope this may be of interest David J Barnes _________________________________________________________________ Use MSN Messenger to send music and pics to your friends http://messenger.msn.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 08:29:33 -0000 From: Nick Forder To: "'cci@mustang.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: Re: Airfield Construction Message-ID: <059A77A01B10D611B19C00065B19D2F33F87FE@EXCHANGE> Richard I would start with John Barfoot's 'Bible' ('Air Defence of Britain', by C Cole and EF Cheesman, published by Putnams); Jeff Jefford's book on A RAF Squadrons (Airlife) and Alan Lake's 'Flying Units of the RAF' (Airlife). Most decent sized libraries seem to carry copies of the latter two. I think that the Putnms is still 'current'; the Jefford book is now on its 2nd edition and the Lake book can be found in some branches of 'County Bookshops' (remaindered books) for c£8.00. Nick I was intrigued by the mails on airfield construction. I've posted to the list on this subject before, and also spent much time at the PRO, but without much success. I'm interested in Home Defence landing grounds in WWI, and particularly those at Hunton and Marden in Kent. Hunton was first built by the RNAS, and taken over by the RFC when they assumed responsibility for Home Defence. Marden was an RFC landing ground from the start. Is there any way I can find more details on these landing grounds, such as exactly when they were constructed, which squadrons used them, and when they went out of use? Richard Collins -- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 08:33:50 -0000 From: Nick Forder To: "'cci@mustang.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: Re: The Air Weapon Message-ID: <059A77A01B10D611B19C00065B19D2F33F8800@EXCHANGE> Brian Thanks for this. All the 'research' I have done suggests that only volume 1 was published. A great pity.... At least I know that I need not keep looking for it ! Nick -----Original Message----- From: Brian.E.Hall [mailto:Sedgecope@compuserve.com] Sent: 15 February 2003 11:51 To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [CCI] Re: The Air Weapon Nick Sorry for the delay in commenting on your request >> I have Volume 1 of CF Snowden Gamble's 'The Air Weapon'. Does anyone know if Volume 2 was ever published ? << but I have been otherwise engaged on you know what! In a bibliography I compiled in Sept 1999, I made a note "Volume 2 was never published" . As it is unusual for me to be so emphatic without good reason; never-the-less it should be be taken on face value. If you insist on a source I will search my notes.. Brian ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 08:42:44 -0000 From: Nick Forder To: "'ab-ix@yahoogroups.com'" Cc: "Cci (E-mail)" Subject: FW: [AB-IX] Thames aviation Message-ID: <059A77A01B10D611B19C00065B19D2F33F8801@EXCHANGE> I assume that this is Pierre Levasseur, and the 'hydro-plane' will be a Nieuport monoplane seaplane as Dave suggests. Further, I assume that this is the same Lavasseur who went in to manufacture post 1918 producing Coli & Nungesser's 'Oiseau Blanc' for the transatlantic attempt ? I haven't managed to find out anything about a visit to Blackwall, but a look at 'Flight' issues for June/July 1913 may reveal all. Nick PS Do not confuse with Leon Lavavasseur of Antoinette fame ! I have an old postcard captioned "M Levasseur's Hydro-plane, Blackwall 2.7.13. It is a small monoplane. Any info on man, machine or event!!! There was a reference that Levasseur, flying a Nieuport floatplane, was in the French team for the second Schneider Trophy competition at Cannes in April 1914. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 08:45:28 -0000 From: Nick Forder To: "'cci@mustang.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: RE: Into Thin Air Message-ID: <059A77A01B10D611B19C00065B19D2F33F8802@EXCHANGE> You might find http://members.ozemail.com.au/~dxw/avmed.htmlworth looking at too. It includes an article on whether Von R was fit to fly. Nick ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 08:51:29 -0000 From: Nick Forder To: "'cci@mustang.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: Marri Message-ID: <059A77A01B10D611B19C00065B19D2F33F8806@EXCHANGE> John I have some stuff on the South Lancs Regiment at home and will look through it tonight. Alternatively, you might like to try Lt Col Mike Glover, curator of the Queen's Lancs Museum at Preston, at RHQQLR@aol.com Nick ------------------------------ End of CCI Digest 820 *********************