CCI Digest 811 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Hodgkinson by Nick Forder 2) aircrew with disabilities by Nick Forder 3) Re: aircrew with disabilities by Gregory Alegi 4) Re - Peg legs by "Captain Bigglesworth" 5) Alan Goodfellow by Nick Forder 6) Re: Peg Legs by "Morrell's Forge, Blacksmiths" 7) Re: Alan Goodfellow by "COLIN HUSTON" 8) Re: Alan Goodfellow by "Morrell's Forge, Blacksmiths" 9) Re: Sopwith Schneider by "johnbarfoot" 10) Kits by Nick Forder 11) Re: Peg Legs by Steve Cox 12) Re: Peg Legs by SARUFFIN@aol.com 13) Re: aircrew with disabilities by SARUFFIN@aol.com 14) Re: Peg Legs by Gregory Alegi 15) Re: Peg Legs by "Jim Fuller" 16) (no subject) by GaGin1@aol.com 17) R.N.A.S. pilot F.J. by "Charles Gosse" 18) Re: Peg Legs by "Russell Guest" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2003 09:03:35 -0000 From: Nick Forder To: "Cci (E-mail)" Subject: Hodgkinson Message-ID: <059A77A01B10D611B19C00065B19D2F33F876F@EXCHANGE> Wookey Hole was developed as a visitor attraction by Colin Hodkingson's father (see 'Best Foot Forward). Hodgkinson's father had been an RFC pilot in the Great War who served in East Africa (see Moore's 'Pioneer Pilot'). Hodgkinson was a WW2 operational pilot with artifical legs. Nick ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2003 09:36:48 -0000 From: Nick Forder To: "'cci@mustang.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: aircrew with disabilities Message-ID: <059A77A01B10D611B19C00065B19D2F33F8772@EXCHANGE> If you want to list aircrew with disabilities just look at some of the long distance flight crews of the interwar period : Arthur Whitten Brown - gammy leg Coli - one eye Nungesser - more tin and pins than Barry Sheene.... Nick ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2003 11:14:43 +0100 From: Gregory Alegi To: cci@mustang.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: aircrew with disabilities Message-ID: And if we extend the search even further, Ernesto Botto lost a leg in Spain and continued to fly throughout WW2 with an artificial limb. His unit adopted the Iron Leg insignia in his honour. Gregory >If you want to list aircrew with disabilities just look at some of the long >distance flight crews of the interwar period : > >Arthur Whitten Brown - gammy leg >Coli - one eye >Nungesser - more tin and pins than Barry Sheene.... > >Nick ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 07 Feb 2003 10:48:59 +0000 From: "Captain Bigglesworth" To: cci@mustang.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re - Peg legs Message-ID: Sydney 'Timbertoes' Carlin, A Pilot, who saw active service with 74 Squadron, R.F.C. and R.A.F., and achieved 10 Aerial Victories Born in Yorkshire in 1889 the son of William and C. L. Carlin of Hull, Yorkshire When the war began, Carlin gave up farming to join the Royal Engineers. Badly wounded in 1916, he lost a leg while fighting in the trenches on the Western Front. Equipped with a wooden leg, he transferred to the Royal Flying Corps where his mates took to calling him "Timbertoes." After serving as an instructor, Carlin was posted to 74 Squadron on 26 May 1918. Flying the S.E.5a, he survived a mid-air collision with his commanding officer, Keith Caldwell, and scored ten victories, including 5 balloons. On 21 September 1918, six days after scoring his final victory, Carlin was captured by the Germans when he was shot down by Siegfried Westphal of Jasta 29. When the war ended, Carlin moved to Kenya and returned to farming. During World War II, he rejoined the Royal Air Force, serving as a Flying Officer (gunner) on night fighters and bombers. At the age of 52, while serving with 151 Squadron, Flying Officer S Carlin was killed during an air raid on the squadron's airfield. Died 9 May 1941, Commemorated Hull Crematorium,Yorkshire He is in a photo of Air Force Officers in France meeting H.M. King George V on one of his tours of France/ Reproduced in the Daily Mail series of postcards during WW1 Some info on him from london Gazette SUPPLEMENT TO THE LONDON GAZETTE,25 SEPTEMBER,1915.9525 East Riding (Fortress)Engineers. Sydney Carlin to be Second Lieutenant Dated 15th September,1915. SUPPLEMENT TO THE LONDON GAZETTE,19 JUNE,1916.6057 E.Riding (Fortress)Engrs. The undermentioned 2nd Lt.to be temp.Lt.:— S.Carlin.21st May 1916. SUPPLEMENT TO THE LONDON GAZETTE,8 MAY,1918. 5552 ROYAL ENGINEERS. Lt.S.Carlin,M.C.,is seconded.12th Mar.1918. SUPPLEMENT TO THE LONDON GAZETTE,15 APRIL,1918. 4508 Flying Officer.- 12th Mar.1918. Lt.S.Carlin,M.C.,R.B.,T.F. THE LONDON GAZETTE,27 AUGUST,1918.10007 The undermentioned Lt.to be temp.Capt.whilst empl'd.as Capt.(A.) 9th Aug.1918. S.Carlin,M.C.,D.C.M. THE LONDON GAZETTE,21 JANUARY,1919.1079 Prob.Flight Officer F.R.Carlin to be Hon.2nd Lt. SUPPLEMENT TO THE LONDON GAZETTE,17 OCTOBER,1919.12957 Lt.S.Carlin,M.C.,D.F.C.,D.C.M., East Riding Fortress Engrs.,relinquishes his commission on account of ill-health caused by wounds,18th Oct.1919,and retains the rank of Lt. THE LONDOiN GAZETTE,8 AUGUST,1919. 10092 Lt.S.Carlin,M.C., D.F.C.,D.C.M. (R.E.,T.F.),relinquishes his commn.on account of ill-health contracted on active service.7th Aug.1919. described,and not Capt.,as stated in the Gazette of 17th June 1919. _________________________________________________________________ It's fast, it's easy and it's free. Get MSN Messenger today! http://messenger.msn.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2003 11:59:10 -0000 From: Nick Forder To: "Cci (E-mail)" Subject: Alan Goodfellow Message-ID: <059A77A01B10D611B19C00065B19D2F33F8777@EXCHANGE> Some of you may have seen my request in C&C Vol.33 No.4 for info on Goodfellow. I undertstand that an autobiographical account of his early RFC career to 1916 appeared in the Spring and Summer 2000 issues of the SVAS journal Prop-Swing. Can anyone supply me with copies ? Thanks Nick ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2003 12:33:19 -0000 From: "Morrell's Forge, Blacksmiths" To: Subject: Re: Peg Legs Message-ID: <004c01c2cea5$1c38b7c0$e40abd50@z0d4e2> Hi I am currently researching some old photographs I have of Turnberry Aerodrome, and was therefore delighted to se mention of a E.V. Ffrench on your list. I have a picture of an E.F. Ffrench, captioned 'famous scout pilot and horseman', standing in the saddle of a galloping horse. Could this be the same man ? I know the R.F.C. used to ask it's applicants if they could ride, but surely this chap is over qualified !!! In anyone can help me with info about said chap, I would be most grateful. Regards Margaret ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2003 12:32:58 -0000 From: "COLIN HUSTON" To: Subject: Re: Alan Goodfellow Message-ID: <07c601c2cea5$27d82e80$40d689d9@aptiva> Spring and Summer 2000 issues of the SVAS journal Prop-Swing. Can anyone supply me with copies ? Yes Nick, I've just got my box of issues down from the loft and will get his article transcribed for you!. Colin ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2003 12:39:18 -0000 From: "Morrell's Forge, Blacksmiths" To: Subject: Re: Alan Goodfellow Message-ID: <005d01c2cea5$f1a45680$e40abd50@z0d4e2> I have Summer 2000 Prop-Swing if you wish it, please forward your address and it shall be sent. Regards Margaret ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2003 15:00:13 -0000 From: "johnbarfoot" To: Subject: Re: Sopwith Schneider Message-ID: <000901c2ceba$651f8a80$98926fd4@oemcomputer> ----- Original Message ----- From: Nick Forder To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 8:43 AM Subject: [CCI] Re: Sopwith Schneider Nick, Every ex-Aeromuddler or WWI Buff of advanced years should have a loft full of treasurs, obviously you are still too young! Those yellow ringed roundels on the RFC DH4, I still suspect they are not correct, but wait to be proved wrong. Beware of the Aurora Gotha, Harry Woodman shot this kit to pieces some years ago. Tucked away in my loft is a blueprint from a CMA kit of a 1/48 Pfalz DXII, showing it with pre-March 1918 crosses and a colour scheme of white wing and tail surfaces with a blue body not fuselage. Is this incorrect? Seriously the blueprint is dated 1938 long before C&C became airborne, come to think of it the Aurora DH4 was also pre C&C so they had an excuse they would not have today if they are wrong . Warm regards from a still chilly Essex John B. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2003 15:29:21 -0000 From: Nick Forder To: "'cci@mustang.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: Kits Message-ID: <059A77A01B10D611B19C00065B19D2F33F877B@EXCHANGE> John The reason why the loft is not full of kits is because it is too small ! Harry did rather damn the Gotha (I think he thought that the wheels might be worth keeping - for something else)but, along with the rest of the Aurora range, it does look the part even though it isn't anything like as accurate as it would need to be to suit Harry. One wonders how many C&CI members became interested in the subject through aeromodelling ? My interest stems from making Airfix and Revell 1/72nd WW1 aircraft. Nick ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 07 Feb 2003 18:43:02 +0000 From: Steve Cox To: Subject: Re: Peg Legs Message-ID: No-one seem s to have mentioned Douglas Bader so far regards Steve =========================================== steve@oldglebe.freeserve.co.uk http://www.oldglebe.freeserve.co.uk/steveshome.html http://www.bramptonscalemodelclub.fsnet.co.uk If I didn't spend so much time on line ‹‹ I'd get some models finished ================ > From: "John Grech" > Reply-To: cci@mustang.sr.unh.edu > Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2003 15:55:20 -0500 (EST) > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: [CCI] Peg Legs > > 66 Squadron, one of the RFC/RAF finest fighter squadrons (control yourself > Andy!) had two pilots at one time with wooden legs, T.V. Hunter and E V > Ffrench, they both flew Pups and Camels. Does any know of any other pilots > who had wooden legs/one eye/one arm/ etc? > > john > > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2003 14:01:53 EST From: SARUFFIN@aol.com To: cci@mustang.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Peg Legs Message-ID: <105.26e7f07d.2b755ca1@aol.com> --part1_105.26e7f07d.2b755ca1_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Another pilot who reportedly had a wooden leg was a Canadian named Leeche. I don't have the facts at hand, but I recall reading that when his prosthesis was broken in a crash, he had to pay for the repairs himself. Steve Ruffin --part1_105.26e7f07d.2b755ca1_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Another pilot who reporte= dly had a wooden leg was a Canadian named Leeche.  I don't have the fac= ts at hand, but I recall reading that when his prosthesis was broken in a cr= ash, he had to pay for the repairs himself.

Steve Ruffin --part1_105.26e7f07d.2b755ca1_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2003 14:04:47 EST From: SARUFFIN@aol.com To: cci@mustang.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: aircrew with disabilities Message-ID: <4e.175ddb69.2b755d4f@aol.com> --part1_4e.175ddb69.2b755d4f_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Don't forget Wiley Post. Steve Ruffin --part1_4e.175ddb69.2b755d4f_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Don't forget Wiley Post.=20=  

Steve Ruffin --part1_4e.175ddb69.2b755d4f_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2003 20:08:31 +0100 From: Gregory Alegi To: cci@mustang.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Peg Legs Message-ID: And of course Hans-Ulrich Rudel lost both legs in the late stages of WW2 but went back to combat with artificial limbs. He apparently had a strong ideological motivation. Gregory > >Another pilot who reportedly had a wooden leg was a Canadian named Leeche. I >don't have the facts at hand, but I recall reading that when his prosthesis >was broken in a crash, he had to pay for the repairs himself. > >Steve Ruffin > >--part1_105.26e7f07d.2b755ca1_boundary >Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > >Another pilot who reporte= >dly had a wooden leg was a Canadian named Leeche.  I don't have the fac= >ts at hand, but I recall reading that when his prosthesis was broken in a cr= >ash, he had to pay for the repairs himself. >
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Steve Ruffin > >--part1_105.26e7f07d.2b755ca1_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2003 20:25:11 -0000 From: "Jim Fuller" To: Subject: Re: Peg Legs Message-ID: <002d01c2cee7$076c4ae0$e9317ad5@jimfull2> >From a source that is probably not on many listers' bookshelves, "Amesbury and Its Scouts" by Don Evans: 24 April 1929 "The man chosen to be District Commissioner of the new District [South East Wilts District Local Scout Association] was Wing Commander D. S. Gordon, the Officer Commanding the Balloon School at Rollestone Camp. "Peggy" Gordon owed his nickname to the fact that he had a wooden leg, having lost the original in a flying accident some years earlier. Peggy was a firm favourite with the boys and the leaders. Apart from his job as District Commissioner, he also found time to run the Netheravon Cubs and the Shrewton Scouts. He was the owner of a large Bentley touring car, and could often be seen roaring round the district with anything up to a dozen Wolf cubs and an enormous dog occupying the back seat. When Peggy retired from the RAF, he settled in Shrewton and owned a bungalow in Rollestone Road with the apt name of Gilwell. I believe it is still there [1995]." Jim Fuller ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2003 16:05:57 EST From: GaGin1@aol.com To: cci@mustang.sr.unh.edu Subject: (no subject) Message-ID: Does anyone recall a copy of a speach given by Sir David Henderson, perhaps to the Aeronautical Society, during the war, which spoke of the lack of wisdom of thinking that bringing a man back home to train pilots was almost criminal, because teaching was very stressful, not equivalent to a "rest" at all. I think it was either in FLIGHT or THE AEROPLANE. Lannie Liggera ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2003 20:11:25 -0500 From: "Charles Gosse" To: Subject: R.N.A.S. pilot F.J. Message-ID: <000501c2cf0f$009885d0$6601a8c0@DJ10SB21> I am trying to identify the initials F.J. on a Royal Naval Air Service blue visor cap with khaki cap cover usual bullion wreath. Know of Fitzroy Jardine (Australian). Any other suggestions? Does anyone have an April 1, 1918 RAF list which could be of help? ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Feb 2003 16:21:30 +1100 From: "Russell Guest" To: Subject: Re: Peg Legs Message-ID: Hi Gentlemen and Ladies First time I have tried to post. However, one leg. J O Leach 56 Sqdn lost his leg 7 May 1917. Frank Alberry 2 AFC lost leg in infantry. Walter Karjus Jasta 11 etc, one arm. As to WWII, two Russian aces had no legs, and one German flew ops after losing his left arm, Viktor Petermann of JG 52. -----Original Message----- From: cci@mustang.sr.unh.edu [mailto:cci@mustang.sr.unh.edu]On Behalf Of Morrell's Forge, Blacksmiths Sent: Friday, 7 February 2003 11:35 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [CCI] Re: Peg Legs Hi I am currently researching some old photographs I have of Turnberry Aerodrome, and was therefore delighted to se mention of a E.V. Ffrench on your list. I have a picture of an E.F. Ffrench, captioned 'famous scout pilot and horseman', standing in the saddle of a galloping horse. Could this be the same man ? I know the R.F.C. used to ask it's applicants if they could ride, but surely this chap is over qualified !!! In anyone can help me with info about said chap, I would be most grateful. Regards Margaret ------------------------------ End of CCI Digest 811 *********************