CCI Digest 808 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Hat in the Ring by "Alyson Christy" 2) The Air Weapon by Nick Forder 3) Re: Sopwith Schneider by "Marit Hagel/Stig Jarlevik" 4) Re: Hat in the Ring by "Marit Hagel/Stig Jarlevik" 5) Re: The Air Weapon by "Peter Wright" 6) Re: Sopwith Schneider by "johnbarfoot" 7) FW: [AB-IX] Belgian Martinsyde by Nick Forder 8) Re: Sopwith Schneider by Nick Forder 9) FW: Davidson Aviation Co Ltd by Nick Forder ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2003 09:16:36 -0000 From: "Alyson Christy" To: "CCI CCI" Subject: Hat in the Ring Message-ID: As far as I know the Hat in the Ring is a political statement. When one joins a side like a political party, you throw your hat into the ring. America had joined the Allies in World War One so they had "thrown their hat into the ring". The ringed Uncle Sam hat is simply a symbol. Regards, Joel ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2003 13:15:59 -0000 From: Nick Forder To: "Cci (E-mail)" Subject: The Air Weapon Message-ID: <059A77A01B10D611B19C00065B19D2F33F872D@EXCHANGE> I have Volume 1 of CF Snowden Gamble's 'The Air Weapon'. Does anyone know if Volume 2 was ever published ? Nick ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2003 20:34:59 +0100 From: "Marit Hagel/Stig Jarlevik" To: Subject: Re: Sopwith Schneider Message-ID: <006501c2cc88$fc179e20$b52a97d4@ditt216euufe0s> Thanks Ian My mistake. The sources I read list them as being sent to USA under the serials A869-872. Had they listed them as getting the serials upon arrival, even my thick head would have clicked in... :-) Cheers Stig ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ian Burns" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Monday, February 03, 2003 11:43 PM Subject: [CCI] Re: Sopwith Schneider > A869-A872 were Bu(reau of) Air(onautics), ie USNavy serials. The > sequence is > still in use today... > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2003 20:38:52 +0100 From: "Marit Hagel/Stig Jarlevik" To: Subject: Re: Hat in the Ring Message-ID: <006601c2cc88$fc7c7a70$b52a97d4@ditt216euufe0s> Thanks Joel Explains the matter Cheers Stig ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alyson Christy" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2003 10:20 AM Subject: [CCI] Hat in the Ring > > As far as I know the Hat in the Ring is a political statement. When one > joins a side like a political party, you throw your hat into the ring. > America had joined the Allies in World War One so they had "thrown their hat > into the ring". The ringed Uncle Sam hat is simply a symbol. > > Regards, > Joel > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2003 20:49:57 -0000 From: "Peter Wright" To: Subject: Re: The Air Weapon Message-ID: <000701c2cc8f$16d40ae0$e5508351@NELLIE> Nick, If anyone knows, I'm sure that Brian Cocks will, his 'phone number is 01733-252791. Peter W. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nick Forder" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2003 1:26 PM Subject: [CCI] The Air Weapon > I have Volume 1 of CF Snowden Gamble's 'The Air Weapon'. Does anyone know if > Volume 2 was ever published ? > > Nick ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2003 20:20:13 -0000 From: "johnbarfoot" To: Subject: Re: Sopwith Schneider Message-ID: <000201c2cc8f$11a7e280$9b926fd4@oemcomputer> ----- Original Message ----- From: Warren Munkasy To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Sunday, February 02, 2003 12:14 AM Subject: [CCI] Sopwith Schneider Evening all, I have been impressed with how quickly the mystery of the 1/48 scale 'Hat in the ring' bedecked Schneider model has been solved. With all the markings for this famous 'bus' to choose from, the manufactures probably had an eye on the American market with this particular choice. I was pleased to learn the kit decals are authentic, there is no reason in this day and age for a kit to come on the market with spurious markings or colour schemes. I recall at least one model an Aurora DH4 in RFC markings with the upper surface roundels outlined in yellow not white can anyone advise me if this was indeed correct after all these years? personally I doubt it but it pays to keep an open mind. John B. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 07:39:17 -0000 From: Nick Forder To: "Cci (E-mail)" Subject: FW: [AB-IX] Belgian Martinsyde Message-ID: <059A77A01B10D611B19C00065B19D2F33F8731@EXCHANGE> > At the Belgian Aviation History Association website can be found two > photo's of a Martinsyde F.4 operated by the Belgian Military Aviation > in the early twenties. Except for these photo's little or nothing is > know about the origins of these aircraft. At that time, the Belgian > Military Aviation operated quite a few, especially German, aircraft > types in one and two's. I often wondered if it weren't the individual > pilots who picked out an aircraft from among the hundreds in various > states left following the German withdrawel to fly them to satisfy > their curiosity. > > http://ibelgique.ifrance.com/baha2/Webpages/Navigator/Photos/MilltaryP > ics/interbellum/martinsyde_f4.htm The AB Martinsyde book does NOT mention anything about a Belgian connection. I can readily understand that German aeroplanes were left behind in Belgium. Harder to understand is why a single F.4 should have been! Anyway this is the first time I hear about a Belgian Buzzard. Looks like it is coded 1, which conforms well with the Belgian system at the time. Would be very interesting to know which letter prefix it had (if any...) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 07:41:01 -0000 From: Nick Forder To: "'cci@mustang.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: Re: Sopwith Schneider Message-ID: <059A77A01B10D611B19C00065B19D2F33F8732@EXCHANGE> John I have an original mint boxed Aurora DH4 at home. I'll look at it tonight. Nick -----Original Message----- From: johnbarfoot [mailto:johnbarfoot@supanet.com] Sent: 04 February 2003 21:08 To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [CCI] Re: Sopwith Schneider ----- Original Message ----- From: Warren Munkasy To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Sunday, February 02, 2003 12:14 AM Subject: [CCI] Sopwith Schneider Evening all, I have been impressed with how quickly the mystery of the 1/48 scale 'Hat in the ring' bedecked Schneider model has been solved. With all the markings for this famous 'bus' to choose from, the manufactures probably had an eye on the American market with this particular choice. I was pleased to learn the kit decals are authentic, there is no reason in this day and age for a kit to come on the market with spurious markings or colour schemes. I recall at least one model an Aurora DH4 in RFC markings with the upper surface roundels outlined in yellow not white can anyone advise me if this was indeed correct after all these years? personally I doubt it but it pays to keep an open mind. John B. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 08:25:09 -0000 From: Nick Forder To: "'simmonsi@dialstart.net'" Cc: "Cci (E-mail)" Subject: FW: Davidson Aviation Co Ltd Message-ID: <059A77A01B10D611B19C00065B19D2F33F8739@EXCHANGE> This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C2CCF0.18A2E060 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Ian I know of some drawings for the Davidson Aviation Company Ltd, Grafton Street, High Wycombe. These are for the SE5a. I presume that Davidson components for that aircraft, although the drawings are general arrangements. The plans, or copies of them, are/were with NEXUS which acquired the Aeromodeller/Scale Models plans. I don't know what has happened to NEXUS. I seem to recall that there was some financial difficulty. Certainly the last Scale Models I saw was a shadow of its former self but, arguably, it never recovered from Ray Rimell's departure. Nick ------_=_NextPart_001_01C2CCF0.18A2E060 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1"
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I know of some drawings for the Davidson Aviation Company Ltd, Grafton Street, High Wycombe. These are for the SE5a. I presume that Davidson components for that aircraft, although the drawings are general arrangements. The plans, or copies of them, are/were with NEXUS which acquired the Aeromodeller/Scale Models plans. I don't know what has happened to NEXUS. I seem to recall that there was some financial difficulty. Certainly the last Scale Models I saw was a shadow of its former self but, arguably, it never recovered from Ray Rimell's departure.
 
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