CCI Digest 793 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) FW: Henri Biard- still checking by Nick Forder 2) Re: Biard by Nick Forder 3) FW: Henri Biard from Air-Britain by Nick Forder 4) Re: FW: Henri Biard from Air-Britain by "John Grech" 5) Re: FW: Henri Biard from Air-Britain by Nick Forder 6) Roulers Spy by Nick Forder 7) Re: Entertainers by "Tony Grange-Bennett" 8) Re: FW: Henri Biard from Air-Britain by "John Grech" 9) Re: FW: Henri Biard from Air-Britain by "Peter Wright" 10) Re: Biard by "johnbarfoot" 11) Re: Entertainers by H Giblin 12) Flex by GaGin1@aol.com 13) (no subject) by GaGin1@aol.com 14) (no subject) by GaGin1@aol.com 15) Re: FW: Henri Biard from Air-Britain by "John Grech" 16) Re: Flex by "Andy Kemp" 17) Re: Entertainers by "John Grech" 18) Re: (no subject) by "John Grech" 19) Re: Entertainers by H Giblin 20) Re: FW: Henri Biard from Air-Britain by H Giblin 21) Re: Flex by GaGin1@aol.com 22) Re: Entertainers by "John Grech" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 13:36:29 -0000 From: Nick Forder To: "Cci (E-mail)" Subject: FW: Henri Biard- still checking Message-ID: <059A77A01B10D611B19C00065B19D2F31783D1@EXCHANGE> This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C2C088.F0389340 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Air-Briatin are still chasing Biard... Nick We're getting there. He seems to have retired back to Guernsey Regards Malcolm Malcolm just to advise that we're still awaiting the answer which will hopefully be available by Tuesday. We are checking with the local officials responsible for such records at The Greffe. Regards Andy Smith ps have discovered that in his later working life he was a Meteorological Observer at the States Airport, La Villiaze, Guernsey which is how my father got to know him(Dad worked for BEA) - and indeed I work there myself as an ATSA. Small world! ------_=_NextPart_001_01C2C088.F0389340 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1"

Air-Briatin are still chasing Biard...

Nick We're getting there. He seems to have retired back to Guernsey

Regards

Malcolm

just to advise that we're still awaiting the answer which will hopefully be available by Tuesday. We are checking with the local officials responsible for such records at The Greffe.

Regards

Andy Smith

ps have discovered that in his later working life he was a Meteorological Observer at the States Airport, La Villiaze, Guernsey which is how my father got to know him(Dad worked for BEA) - and indeed I work there myself as an ATSA. Small world!

------_=_NextPart_001_01C2C088.F0389340-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 13:44:10 -0000 From: Nick Forder To: "'cci@mustang.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: Re: Biard Message-ID: <059A77A01B10D611B19C00065B19D2F31783D5@EXCHANGE> John Well, at least you found it ! A trip down there 10+ years ago failed to locate it (the volunteers on the gate were extremely unhelpful). Benny's nice and nephew were still with us at least 15 years ago (the son of Frank)having taken over Hucks Boatbuilders of Hampton Court. However a collection of postcards, alleged to have belong to Benny came up for sale a few years back suggesting a death in the family. Perhaps C&CI should see about getting the grave tidied up ? Nick -----Original Message----- From: johnbarfoot [mailto:johnbarfoot@supanet.com] Sent: 18 January 2003 16:37 To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [CCI] Re: Biard ----- Original Message ----- From: Nick Forder To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Friday, January 17, 2003 10:02 AMAS Subject: [CCI] Re: Biard > > Nick, I was not surprised to read about the omission of Benny Hucks from WHO'S WHO IN AVIATION HISTORY as a year or so ago, we visited Highgate Cemetery to pay our respects and take a photo of his last landing place. The site was easy to find being near the famous well tended monument to Karl Marx. Unfortunately the site had not been maintained and many of the headstones were laying face down in the undergrowth and impossible to identify, a sorry looking site or sight indeed. The best of British as I remember it, John B. > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 14:03:48 -0000 From: Nick Forder To: "Cci (E-mail)" Subject: FW: Henri Biard from Air-Britain Message-ID: <059A77A01B10D611B19C00065B19D2F31783DB@EXCHANGE> This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C2C08C.C0C4C2B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" BIARD Capt Henri Charles 111 Portsmouth Rd, Woolston, Southampton b.1892 [Jersey] Test pilot Supermarine Avn Works 1919-[1931] Winner Schneider Trophy in Sea Lion G-EBAH at Naples 12.8.22. Pilot British Marine Air Navigation Co Ltd 1923/24 World Speed Record in S.4 '25 [also flew in 1925 Schneider Trophy] Pilot for Hon AE Guinness 11/28 Book: Wings - My 25 Years of Flying [1934] Sup. Sparrow No.9 Pilot 1924 Lympne 9/24 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C2C08C.C0C4C2B0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1"

BIARD Capt Henri Charles

111 Portsmouth Rd, Woolston, Southampton

b.1892 [Jersey]

Test pilot Supermarine Avn Works 1919-[1931]

Winner Schneider Trophy in Sea Lion G-EBAH at Naples 12.8.22.

Pilot British Marine Air Navigation Co Ltd 1923/24

World Speed Record in S.4 '25 [also flew in 1925 Schneider Trophy]

Pilot for Hon AE Guinness 11/28

Book: Wings - My 25 Years of Flying [1934]

Sup. Sparrow No.9 Pilot 1924 Lympne 9/24

------_=_NextPart_001_01C2C08C.C0C4C2B0-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 15:34:19 -0000 From: "John Grech" To: Subject: Re: FW: Henri Biard from Air-Britain Message-ID: <0a0901c2c099$6603ce90$1cc00650@your9al5izx2s9> Hi Nick, Thanks for the info, according to his RAeC card he was born at Godalming 1 January 1892. The 1901 census has him listed as living with his father (Schoolmaster) and mother both of whom are listed as French, and two brothers in Godalming. The information with regard to the pub at Tichfield is inconclusive as he does not appear in any trade directories for the area in the 1950, we are still checking. John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nick Forder" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Monday, January 20, 2003 2:12 PM Subject: [CCI] FW: Henri Biard from Air-Britain > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand > this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. > > ------_=_NextPart_001_01C2C08C.C0C4C2B0 > Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" > > BIARD Capt Henri Charles > > 111 Portsmouth Rd, Woolston, Southampton > > b.1892 [Jersey] > > Test pilot Supermarine Avn Works 1919-[1931] > > Winner Schneider Trophy in Sea Lion G-EBAH at Naples 12.8.22. > > Pilot British Marine Air Navigation Co Ltd 1923/24 > > World Speed Record in S.4 '25 [also flew in 1925 Schneider Trophy] > > Pilot for Hon AE Guinness 11/28 > > Book: Wings - My 25 Years of Flying [1934] > > Sup. Sparrow No.9 Pilot 1924 Lympne 9/24 > > > > > ------_=_NextPart_001_01C2C08C.C0C4C2B0 > Content-Type: text/html; > charset="iso-8859-1" > > > > > > > > > > >

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111 Portsmouth Rd, Woolston, Southampton

b.1892 [Jersey]

Test pilot Supermarine Avn Works 1919-[1931]

Winner Schneider Trophy in Sea Lion G-EBAH at Naples > 12.8.22.

Pilot British Marine Air Navigation Co Ltd 1923/24

World Speed Record in S.4 '25 [also flew in 1925 Schneider > Trophy]

Pilot for Hon AE Guinness 11/28

Book: Wings - My 25 Years of Flying [1934]

Sup. Sparrow No.9 Pilot 1924 Lympne > 9/24

> > ------_=_NextPart_001_01C2C08C.C0C4C2B0-- > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 17:36:23 -0000 From: Nick Forder To: "'cci@mustang.sr.unh.edu'" Cc: "Malcolm D Fillmore (E-mail)" Subject: Re: FW: Henri Biard from Air-Britain Message-ID: <059A77A01B10D611B19C00065B19D2F31783EF@EXCHANGE> Godalming ? Isn't that Rossall School ? Perhaps Biard was an Old Boy ? One for Hal, methinks... Nick -----Original Message----- From: John Grech [mailto:john.grech@ntlworld.com] Sent: 20 January 2003 17:25 To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [CCI] Re: FW: Henri Biard from Air-Britain Hi Nick, Thanks for the info, according to his RAeC card he was born at Godalming 1 January 1892. The 1901 census has him listed as living with his father (Schoolmaster) and mother both of whom are listed as French, and two brothers in Godalming. The information with regard to the pub at Tichfield is inconclusive as he does not appear in any trade directories for the area in the 1950, we are still checking. John ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 14:51:41 -0000 From: Nick Forder To: "Cci (E-mail)" Subject: Roulers Spy Message-ID: <059A77A01B10D611B19C00065B19D2F31783DE@EXCHANGE> I bought a copy of 'I Was A Spy !' by Marthe McKenna (nee Crockaert) on Saturday, to add to the copy of 'Spies I Knew' by the same author purchased last year. Marthe Crockaert was a Belgian medical student from Westroosebeke who worked as a nurse/interpreter in a German Military Hospital in Roulers. She was recruited as a British agent early in the war and helped wounded POWs to escape and passed on intelligence. Published in 1932 (with a foreword by Churchill) the book had reached its 11th impression by late 1933. It is quite 'colourful' with drunken Germans, the shooting of civilians and even the 'obligatory' bayoneted baby ! I am interested to know how much of it is fact. First point for checking is a message sent about an ordnance train arriving on a Wednesday at 3 am and leaving at 3 pm. According to the book, the RFC sent a single aircraft to Roulers which bombed the train but was then shot down. The two crew died of injuries sustained in the crash. The date given seems to be pre March 1915, and I assume by the lack of references to Christmas 'under the grey wave' that it was later than December 1914. Does anyone have any comments ? Nick PS My first thought was about the liklihood of two crew being in an RFC bomber in early 1915 ! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 18:07:51 -0000 From: "Tony Grange-Bennett" To: Subject: Re: Entertainers Message-ID: <000501c2c0ae$eb4f9920$b6259fd4@oemcomputer> Another name for the Entertainers' list. John Leslie Isaacson (stage name: John Leslie). Before the war, he attended Tree's Academy and performed with the Benson Company. In January 1915 he joined the H.A.C. and was later commissioned in the Royal Garrison Artillery. After more than a year with the R.G.A., he transferred to the RFC and joined 44 Reserve Squadron. He was badly injured in a flying accident and was invalided out with serious heart trouble. In 1918, he attempted to resume his stage career and joined the 'Old Vic' Company. He had successful parts in several of Shakespeare's plays, but died on 12 February 1919 from pneumonia and heart failure. (Brief details taken from "Tonbridge School and the War"). Regards Tony Grange-Bennett ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 18:33:03 -0000 From: "John Grech" To: Subject: Re: FW: Henri Biard from Air-Britain Message-ID: <0a2301c2c0b2$5e5ba050$1cc00650@your9al5izx2s9> My researcher does not mention the school, as the details were obtained from the census. John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nick Forder" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Monday, January 20, 2003 5:45 PM Subject: [CCI] Re: FW: Henri Biard from Air-Britain > Godalming ? Isn't that Rossall School ? Perhaps Biard was an Old Boy ? > > One for Hal, methinks... > > > Nick > > -----Original Message----- > From: John Grech [mailto:john.grech@ntlworld.com] > Sent: 20 January 2003 17:25 > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: [CCI] Re: FW: Henri Biard from Air-Britain > > > Hi Nick, > > Thanks for the info, according to his RAeC card he was born at Godalming 1 > January 1892. The 1901 census has him listed as living with his father > (Schoolmaster) and mother both of whom are listed as French, and two > brothers in Godalming. > The information with regard to the pub at Tichfield is inconclusive as he > does not appear in any trade directories for the area in the 1950, we are > still checking. > > John > > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 19:37:52 -0000 From: "Peter Wright" To: Subject: Re: FW: Henri Biard from Air-Britain Message-ID: <001101c2c0bb$8e3f36c0$a64201d5@NELLIE> John, Ref BIARD (again), you ought to be looking in Trade Directories for the 1960s rather than a decade earlier. Peter W. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nick Forder" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Monday, January 20, 2003 5:45 PM Subject: [CCI] Re: FW: Henri Biard from Air-Britain > Godalming ? Isn't that Rossall School ? Perhaps Biard was an Old Boy ? > > One for Hal, methinks... > > > Nick > > -----Original Message----- > From: John Grech [mailto:john.grech@ntlworld.com] > Sent: 20 January 2003 17:25 > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: [CCI] Re: FW: Henri Biard from Air-Britain > > > Hi Nick, > > Thanks for the info, according to his RAeC card he was born at Godalming 1 > January 1892. The 1901 census has him listed as living with his father > (Schoolmaster) and mother both of whom are listed as French, and two > brothers in Godalming. > The information with regard to the pub at Tichfield is inconclusive as he > does not appear in any trade directories for the area in the 1950, we are > still checking. > > John > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 20:33:36 -0000 From: "johnbarfoot" To: Subject: Re: Biard Message-ID: <001401c2c0c4$79083820$b9926fd4@oemcomputer> ----- Original Message ----- From: Nick Forder To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Monday, January 20, 2003 1:53 PM Subject: [CCI] Re: Biard > >Hello Nick, Benny Hucks apparently rests in grave 39669, square 118 that is located in in the Eastern part of Highgate Cemetery. The helpful friends of Highgate Cemetery, insisted their register states he was Banfield Charles Hucks not Benfield, I was not surprised as they even had him as buried before he had died in a previous letter! A local 14 year old who later served in the RFC/RAF took a coup;e of photo's of Hucks and his Bleriot in Loxford Park Ilford, Essex in August 1913, Benny had been booked to return for the Carnival the following August, but the 'Gerries' marched into Belgium and spoilt a fine summer for flying displays among other things. Keep up the good work, John B. > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 16:11:28 -0500 From: H Giblin To: "INTERNET:cci@mustang.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Re: Entertainers Message-ID: <200301201611_MC3-1-2588-3ADA@compuserve.com> The Entertainers Have you got, Roy Charles Crowden, MC, LG 22/6/18, 54 Sqd aka 'Roy Royston'? A child actor who later attended stage school with Noel Coward and Gertrude Laurence. ENSA in WWII. After retiring owned some Launderettes in Oz. Came back to the UK to run a pub, 'The Plough', in Tolworth. Died in 1976. By the way, (to paraphrase Maurice Micklewhite, 'Not many people know this!') Pat O'Brien was awarded the MC - announced in the 'Escapers Gazette' of 16 December 1919. Too late to be included in his book, of course ( published in New York the year before). He shot himself in a New York hotel room on 17 December 1920, his new wife having recently entered into a relationship with another women. Hal ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 16:37:57 EST From: GaGin1@aol.com To: cci@mustang.sr.unh.edu Subject: Flex Message-ID: <4b.29a00345.2b5dc635@aol.com> Hi, Can anyone help me with "where is Flez and Guizencourt?" on my map of north France? Lannie ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 16:39:44 EST From: GaGin1@aol.com To: cci@mustang.sr.unh.edu Subject: (no subject) Message-ID: <78.35f97288.2b5dc6a0@aol.com> Hi, Does anyone know anything about Hampstead Hospital, a small RFC/RAF Hospital which was trament of flying disabilities? Lannie ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 16:46:04 EST From: GaGin1@aol.com To: cci@mustang.sr.unh.edu Subject: (no subject) Message-ID: Hi, Does anyone have a coy of Royal Air Force Flying Training and Support Units by Ray Sturtivant, John Hamlin, and James J. Halley? I have checked used booksellers on the net and cannot find it anywhere. Lannie ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 22:05:01 -0000 From: "John Grech" To: Subject: Re: FW: Henri Biard from Air-Britain Message-ID: <000b01c2c0cf$fa942010$1cc00650@your9al5izx2s9> Peter, I am trying to do that at the moment, but as you know I am not mobile, so am paying a research that I know. John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Wright" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Monday, January 20, 2003 7:37 PM Subject: [CCI] Re: FW: Henri Biard from Air-Britain > John, Ref BIARD (again), you ought to be looking in Trade Directories for > the 1960s rather than a decade earlier. > Peter W. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Nick Forder" > To: "Multiple recipients of list" > Sent: Monday, January 20, 2003 5:45 PM > Subject: [CCI] Re: FW: Henri Biard from Air-Britain > > > > Godalming ? Isn't that Rossall School ? Perhaps Biard was an Old Boy ? > > > > One for Hal, methinks... > > > > > > Nick > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: John Grech [mailto:john.grech@ntlworld.com] > > Sent: 20 January 2003 17:25 > > To: Multiple recipients of list > > Subject: [CCI] Re: FW: Henri Biard from Air-Britain > > > > > > Hi Nick, > > > > Thanks for the info, according to his RAeC card he was born at Godalming 1 > > January 1892. The 1901 census has him listed as living with his father > > (Schoolmaster) and mother both of whom are listed as French, and two > > brothers in Godalming. > > The information with regard to the pub at Tichfield is inconclusive as he > > does not appear in any trade directories for the area in the 1950, we are > > still checking. > > > > John > > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 22:09:56 -0000 From: "Andy Kemp" To: Subject: Re: Flex Message-ID: <001301c2c0d0$af84ed10$0100a8c0@DAD> Hi Lannie What you need is the Cross & Cockade gazetteer of Northern France - as put together by the esteemed Bill Vandersteen, and sold through the society for a nominal amount - considering the work that went into it! Check out the web site at: http://www.crossandcockade.com/gazetteer.htm ... and purchase through the membership secretary. No good home should be without one ... Andy ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Monday, January 20, 2003 9:40 PM Subject: [CCI] Flex > Hi, > Can anyone help me with "where is Flez and Guizencourt?" on my map of north > France? > Lannie > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 22:14:14 -0000 From: "John Grech" To: Subject: Re: Entertainers Message-ID: <001301c2c0d1$44924650$1cc00650@your9al5izx2s9> Hal, Pat O'Brien did not shot himself in a New York Hotel room according to the news paper report I have. The report states that he died at the Alexandra Hotel Los Angeles California on 18 December 1920. His death was reported in the New York World on the 19 December 1920. A later report dated 29 December 1920, confirms that the Los Angeles coroners office "expressed their conviction that Lt. O'Brien had killed himself". John ----- Original Message ----- From: "H Giblin" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Monday, January 20, 2003 9:12 PM Subject: [CCI] Re: Entertainers > The Entertainers > Have you got, Roy Charles Crowden, MC, LG 22/6/18, 54 Sqd aka 'Roy > Royston'? A child actor who later attended stage school with Noel Coward > and Gertrude Laurence. ENSA in WWII. After retiring owned some > Launderettes in Oz. Came back to the UK to run a pub, 'The Plough', in > Tolworth. Died in 1976. > > By the way, (to paraphrase Maurice Micklewhite, 'Not many people know > this!') Pat O'Brien was awarded the MC - announced in the 'Escapers > Gazette' of 16 December 1919. Too late to be included in his book, of > course ( published in New York the year before). He shot himself in a New > York hotel room on 17 December 1920, his new wife having recently entered > into a relationship with another women. > Hal ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 22:15:18 -0000 From: "John Grech" To: Subject: Re: (no subject) Message-ID: <002101c2c0d1$6abe4ef0$1cc00650@your9al5izx2s9> I have a copy, what would you like to look up? John ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Monday, January 20, 2003 9:48 PM Subject: [CCI] (no subject) > Hi, > Does anyone have a coy of Royal Air Force Flying Training and Support Units > by Ray Sturtivant, John Hamlin, and James J. Halley? I have checked used > booksellers on the net and cannot find it anywhere. > Lannie > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 19:11:13 -0500 From: H Giblin To: "INTERNET:cci@mustang.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Re: Entertainers Message-ID: <200301201911_MC3-1-25E3-C9DB@compuserve.com> John I have the LA report. I also have a report that he was in New York when he killed himself. ??? Hal ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 19:12:59 -0500 From: H Giblin To: "INTERNET:cci@mustang.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Re: FW: Henri Biard from Air-Britain Message-ID: <200301201913_MC3-1-25E3-C9E0@compuserve.com> Nick Unfortunately my Rossall Register covers only 1910-67 - those who entered previously were omitted, and apparently thought themselves harshly treated because of it! Shame, indeed, if Biard was one of those. His age would certainly have meant that he would have entered before 1910. Yet another brickwall... A trawl through the Calandars of Probate might be worthwhile...... Hal ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 21:53:25 EST From: GaGin1@aol.com To: cci@mustang.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Flex Message-ID: <149.8291529.2b5e1025@aol.com> Thanks, Andy! Lannie ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 07:44:29 -0000 From: "John Grech" To: Subject: Re: Entertainers Message-ID: <002401c2c120$ee4be260$1cc00650@your9al5izx2s9> Hi Hal, Now there another problem ? John ----- Original Message ----- From: "H Giblin" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 12:12 AM Subject: [CCI] Re: Entertainers > John > I have the LA report. I also have a report that he was in New York when > he killed himself. ??? > Hal > ------------------------------ End of CCI Digest 793 *********************