CCI Digest 787

Topics covered in this issue include:

  1) Re: Dutch Avros
	by "Alan Smith" <a.n.smith@ntlworld.com>
  2) Re: FW: Re: H C Biard
	by "John Grech" <john.grech@ntlworld.com>
  3) Re: e-mails
	by Allan Wright <aew>
  4) 14th Wing
	by GaGin1@aol.com
  5) Re: e-mails
	by "John Grech" <john.grech@ntlworld.com>
  6) Re: e-mails
	by "Andy Kemp" <andy.kemp@mail.com>
  7) Re: 14th Wing
	by "Andy Kemp" <andy.kemp@mail.com>
  8) Re: e-mails
	by "John Grech" <john.grech@ntlworld.com>
  9) Re: e-mails
	by "Peter Wright" <wright.brother@btopenworld.com>
 10) Re: e-mails
	by Allan Wright <aew>
 11) Re: e-mails
	by "Brian.E.Hall" <Sedgecope@compuserve.com>
 12) Re: (no subject)
	by "Marit Hagel/Stig Jarlevik" <hagel.jarlevik@swipnet.se>
 13) Re: e-mails
	by "Jim Fuller" <jtfuller@btinternet.com>
 14) Re: e-mails
	by "Andy Kemp" <andy.kemp@mail.com>
 15) Re: e-mails
	by Gregory Alegi <gregory.alegi@fastwebnet.it>
 16) Re: e-mails
	by "COLIN HUSTON" <colin.huston@tesco.net>
 17) Re: e-mails
	by "John Grech" <john.grech@ntlworld.com>
 18) XIV Wing from Chipilly to Flez
	by "COLIN HUSTON" <colin.huston@tesco.net>
 19) Re: e-mails
	by "Errol Martyn" <errol.martyn@xtra.co.nz>
 20) Re: Dutch Avros
	by Gregory Alegi <gregory.alegi@fastwebnet.it>
 21) FW: EF Ranger
	by Nick Forder <n.forder@msim.org.uk>

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Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 12:16:10 -0000
From: "Alan Smith" <a.n.smith@ntlworld.com>
To: <cci@mustang.sr.unh.edu>
Subject: Re: Dutch Avros
Message-ID: <000b01c2bbc6$b930d860$1cf36251@aero>

Hello Nick,

Would like to have a copy of the Avro photo please.

Many Thanks.
Alan
----- Original Message -----
From: "Nick Forder" <n.forder@msim.org.uk>
To: "Multiple recipients of list" <cci@mustang.sr.unh.edu>
Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 10:26 AM
Subject: [CCI] Dutch Avros


> I have been sent a scan of a photo taken during an international air show
to
> mark the opening  of Ockenburg aerodrome (near The Hague) between 26 and
29
> September 1919.
>
> The photos shows two AVRO 504K biplanes G-EAID (formerly K-173) and G-EAIJ
> (formerly H2597), which were flown by Shanks, Hinchcliffe and a Captain
> Smith for joyriding. Does anyone know anything about the (presumed)
wartime
> service of these pilots.
>
> Also on the picture is a Fokker DVII and an unidentified cantilever wing
> biplane with a radial engine. Apparantly a Fokker C1 and an Ansaldo SVA5
> were in attendence also.
>
> Does anyone know any more about this event ? I assume that the Avros were
> 'left over' from the ELTA event in August 1919.
>
> I can send a scan of the picture to anyone who is interested.
>
> Thanks
>
> Nick


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Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 13:08:37 -0000
From: "John Grech" <john.grech@ntlworld.com>
To: <cci@mustang.sr.unh.edu>
Subject: Re: FW: Re: H C Biard
Message-ID: <001f01c2bbce$0d2e2420$1cc00650@your9al5izx2s9>

Hi Nick,

Could you do a check please?

John

----- Original Message -----
From: "Nick Forder" <n.forder@msim.org.uk>
To: "Multiple recipients of list" <cci@mustang.sr.unh.edu>
Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 9:16 AM
Subject: [CCI] FW: Re: H C Biard


>
> Has anyone checked Nev Doyle's 'From Sea Eagle to Albatross'* (about the
> Southampton-Channel Island air services between the wars) for details of
> Biard ? If not, I'll do so.
>
> Nick
>
> PS I have a small stock of these books* which Nev gave me some time ago to
> take to a BAPC meeting. If anyone wants a copy they are available at £5.00
> each (plus P&P at cost). A review has appeared in the C&CI Journal,
written
> by someone called Forder, but I am sure that the book is an awful lot
better
> than he said it was !
>
>



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Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 09:38:42 -0500 (EST)
From: Allan Wright <aew>
To: cci@mustang.sr.unh.edu
Subject: Re: e-mails
Message-ID: <200301141438.JAA50912@mustang.sr.unh.edu>

John,

   Currently you do not need to be subscribed to post to the list. This
was by the request of the list members a while back. Maybe the list 
would like to change it's oppinion of this?

Al

> 
> Hi all
> 
> Yet again I have had an e-mail from Nigeria with another of these scams.  Is
> there no way new members of the list can be screened to stop this rubbish
> coming through?
> 
> John
> 
> 
> 


===============================================================================
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University of New Hampshire +--------------------------------------------------
Research Computing Center   | WWI Modeling mailing list: wwi@wwi-models.org
Internet: aew@unh.edu       | WWI Modeling WWW Page: http://www.wwi-models.org
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Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 10:01:17 EST
From: GaGin1@aol.com
To: cci@mustang.sr.unh.edu
Subject: 14th Wing
Message-ID: <165.199ac0f2.2b55803d@aol.com>

Dear Andy,
Could you send me the Halley citation for April 23? You know, the usual 
suspects:title author,publisher, page.  Lannie 

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Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 15:09:04 -0000
From: "John Grech" <john.grech@ntlworld.com>
To: <cci@mustang.sr.unh.edu>
Subject: Re: e-mails
Message-ID: <007401c2bbde$e0abe250$1cc00650@your9al5izx2s9>

To all

Thanks Allan.

what is your feelings on this subject ?

John
----- Original Message -----
From: "Allan Wright" <aew@mustang.sr.unh.edu>
To: "Multiple recipients of list" <cci@mustang.sr.unh.edu>
Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 2:39 PM
Subject: [CCI] Re: e-mails


> John,
>
>    Currently you do not need to be subscribed to post to the list. This
> was by the request of the list members a while back. Maybe the list
> would like to change it's oppinion of this?
>
> Al
>
> >
> > Hi all
> >
> > Yet again I have had an e-mail from Nigeria with another of these scams.
Is
> > there no way new members of the list can be screened to stop this
rubbish
> > coming through?
> >
> > John
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
============================================================================
===
> Allan Wright Jr.            | Without love life's just a long fight -
Southside
> University of New Hampshire
+--------------------------------------------------
> Research Computing Center   | WWI Modeling mailing list:
wwi@wwi-models.org
> Internet: aew@unh.edu       | WWI Modeling WWW Page:
http://www.wwi-models.org
>
============================================================================
===
>



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Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 19:02:50 -0000
From: "Andy Kemp" <andy.kemp@mail.com>
To: <cci@mustang.sr.unh.edu>
Subject: Re: e-mails
Message-ID: <006301c2bbff$c07ac0c0$0100a8c0@DAD>

Hi Allan

Did I miss that ...?

I think having subscription a subscription in place is a great idea, as the
average spammer can't be bothered to register, and we're saved all the
hassle of getting these interminable emails.

What does everyone else think ...?

Andy

----- Original Message -----
From: "Allan Wright" <aew@mustang.sr.unh.edu>
To: "Multiple recipients of list" <cci@mustang.sr.unh.edu>
Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 2:39 PM
Subject: [CCI] Re: e-mails


> John,
>
>    Currently you do not need to be subscribed to post to the list. This
> was by the request of the list members a while back. Maybe the list
> would like to change it's oppinion of this?
>
> Al
>
> >
> > Hi all
> >
> > Yet again I have had an e-mail from Nigeria with another of these scams.
Is
> > there no way new members of the list can be screened to stop this
rubbish
> > coming through?
> >
> > John
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
============================================================================
===
> Allan Wright Jr.            | Without love life's just a long fight -
Southside
> University of New Hampshire
+--------------------------------------------------
> Research Computing Center   | WWI Modeling mailing list:
wwi@wwi-models.org
> Internet: aew@unh.edu       | WWI Modeling WWW Page:
http://www.wwi-models.org
>
============================================================================
===
>
>



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Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 19:04:13 -0000
From: "Andy Kemp" <andy.kemp@mail.com>
To: <cci@mustang.sr.unh.edu>
Subject: Re: 14th Wing
Message-ID: <006401c2bbff$c094ff80$0100a8c0@DAD>

Squadrons of the Royal Air Force & Commonwealth 1918 - 1988
James J Halley
Air Britain
p114

Andy

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <GaGin1@aol.com>
To: "Multiple recipients of list" <cci@mustang.sr.unh.edu>
Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 3:03 PM
Subject: [CCI] 14th Wing


> Dear Andy,
> Could you send me the Halley citation for April 23? You know, the usual 
> suspects:title author,publisher, page.  Lannie 
> 
> 



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Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 19:08:44 -0000
From: "John Grech" <john.grech@ntlworld.com>
To: <cci@mustang.sr.unh.edu>
Subject: Re: e-mails
Message-ID: <009501c2bc00$5bd47f70$1cc00650@your9al5izx2s9>

Hi Andy Allan and the other members on line,

If it could stop or reduce these mails, i am for it.

John.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Andy Kemp" <andy.kemp@mail.com>
To: "Multiple recipients of list" <cci@mustang.sr.unh.edu>
Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 7:04 PM
Subject: [CCI] Re: e-mails


> Hi Allan
>
> Did I miss that ...?
>
> I think having subscription a subscription in place is a great idea, as
the
> average spammer can't be bothered to register, and we're saved all the
> hassle of getting these interminable emails.
>
> What does everyone else think ...?
>
> Andy
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Allan Wright" <aew@mustang.sr.unh.edu>
> To: "Multiple recipients of list" <cci@mustang.sr.unh.edu>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 2:39 PM
> Subject: [CCI] Re: e-mails
>
>
> > John,
> >
> >    Currently you do not need to be subscribed to post to the list. This
> > was by the request of the list members a while back. Maybe the list
> > would like to change it's oppinion of this?
> >
> > Al
> >
> > >
> > > Hi all
> > >
> > > Yet again I have had an e-mail from Nigeria with another of these
scams.
> Is
> > > there no way new members of the list can be screened to stop this
> rubbish
> > > coming through?
> > >
> > > John
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>
============================================================================
> ===
> > Allan Wright Jr.            | Without love life's just a long fight -
> Southside
> > University of New Hampshire
> +--------------------------------------------------
> > Research Computing Center   | WWI Modeling mailing list:
> wwi@wwi-models.org
> > Internet: aew@unh.edu       | WWI Modeling WWW Page:
> http://www.wwi-models.org
> >
>
============================================================================
> ===
> >
> >
>
>
>



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Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 19:30:29 -0000
From: "Peter Wright" <wright.brother@btopenworld.com>
To: <cci@mustang.sr.unh.edu>
Subject: Re: e-mails
Message-ID: <003401c2bc03$7cbed480$6e30073e@NELLIE>

Allan, Am all for getting rid of this rubbish. Folks posting to the list
ought to be subscribed.              Peter Wright.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Allan Wright" <aew@mustang.sr.unh.edu>
To: "Multiple recipients of list" <cci@mustang.sr.unh.edu>
Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 2:39 PM
Subject: [CCI] Re: e-mails


> John,
>
>    Currently you do not need to be subscribed to post to the list. This
> was by the request of the list members a while back. Maybe the list
> would like to change it's oppinion of this?
>
> Al
>
> >
> > Hi all
> >
> > Yet again I have had an e-mail from Nigeria with another of these scams.
Is
> > there no way new members of the list can be screened to stop this
rubbish
> > coming through?
> >
> > John
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
============================================================================
===
> Allan Wright Jr.            | Without love life's just a long fight -
Southside
> University of New Hampshire
+--------------------------------------------------
> Research Computing Center   | WWI Modeling mailing list:
wwi@wwi-models.org
> Internet: aew@unh.edu       | WWI Modeling WWW Page:
http://www.wwi-models.org
>
============================================================================
===


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Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 14:41:09 -0500 (EST)
From: Allan Wright <aew>
To: cci@mustang.sr.unh.edu
Subject: Re: e-mails
Message-ID: <200301141941.OAA53215@mustang.sr.unh.edu>

I'll give it 24 hours - if nobody has serious objections I'll make the 
change to subscribers only posting.

Al

> 
> Allan, Am all for getting rid of this rubbish. Folks posting to the list
> ought to be subscribed.              Peter Wright.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Allan Wright" <aew@mustang.sr.unh.edu>
> To: "Multiple recipients of list" <cci@mustang.sr.unh.edu>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 2:39 PM
> Subject: [CCI] Re: e-mails
> 
> 
> > John,
> >
> >    Currently you do not need to be subscribed to post to the list. This
> > was by the request of the list members a while back. Maybe the list
> > would like to change it's oppinion of this?
> >
> > Al
> >
> > >
> > > Hi all
> > >
> > > Yet again I have had an e-mail from Nigeria with another of these scams.
> Is
> > > there no way new members of the list can be screened to stop this
> rubbish
> > > coming through?
> > >
> > > John
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> ============================================================================
> ===
> > Allan Wright Jr.            | Without love life's just a long fight -
> Southside
> > University of New Hampshire
> +--------------------------------------------------
> > Research Computing Center   | WWI Modeling mailing list:
> wwi@wwi-models.org
> > Internet: aew@unh.edu       | WWI Modeling WWW Page:
> http://www.wwi-models.org
> >
> ============================================================================
> ===
> 
> 


===============================================================================
Allan Wright Jr.            | Without love life's just a long fight - Southside
University of New Hampshire +--------------------------------------------------
Research Computing Center   | WWI Modeling mailing list: wwi@wwi-models.org
Internet: aew@unh.edu       | WWI Modeling WWW Page: http://www.wwi-models.org
===============================================================================

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Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 15:40:41 -0500
From: "Brian.E.Hall" <Sedgecope@compuserve.com>
To: "cci@mustang.sr.unh.edu" <cci@mustang.sr.unh.edu>
Subject: Re: e-mails
Message-ID: <200301141540_MC3-1-24BD-CDC1@compuserve.com>

Andy

>> I think having subscription place is a great idea <<

>> What does everyone else think <<

And say so all of us!

Brian

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Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 22:04:16 +0100
From: "Marit Hagel/Stig Jarlevik" <hagel.jarlevik@swipnet.se>
To: <cci@mustang.sr.unh.edu>
Subject: Re: (no subject)
Message-ID: <00b501c2bc10$e78c1090$c02897d4@ditt216euufe0s>

Hallo All
May I quote another work published by Air Britain
"RAF Flying Training and Support Units" with regard to 14th Wing
Headquarter and its movements. It says the following
Formed 1.4.1916 as 14th Army Wing RFC in 4th Brigade at
Bertangles, to at least 6.1916
By 12.1.1917 to Chipilly 
27.4.1917 Guizancourt
5.1917 to Flez
6.1917 to Misery
etc,etc
It seems the exact date of transfer to Flez is unknown
Cheers
Stig
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Andy Kemp" <andy.kemp@mail.com>
To: "Multiple recipients of list" <cci@mustang.sr.unh.edu>
Sent: Monday, January 13, 2003 10:01 PM
Subject: [CCI] Re: (no subject)


> Hi Lannie
> 
> Mr Halley's book tells me that it was 23-Apr-1917.
> 
> Anyone who has War in the Air care to argue???
> 
> Andy
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <GaGin1@aol.com>
> To: "Multiple recipients of list" <cci@mustang.sr.unh.edu>
> Sent: Monday, January 13, 2003 1:09 AM
> Subject: [CCI] (no subject)
> 
> 
> > Can anyone who has the original WAR IN THE AIR tell me when 14th Wing (
> 22,
> > 24, 54, Naval 1) moved from Chipilly to Flez?
> > Lannie Liggera
> >
> >
> 
> 
> 



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Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 21:26:21 -0000
From: "Jim Fuller" <jtfuller@btinternet.com>
To: "CCI" <cci@mustang.sr.unh.edu>
Subject: Re: e-mails
Message-ID: <009401c2bc13$b92056a0$f9be01d5@jimfull2>

> I think having subscription a subscription in place is a great idea,
as the
> average spammer can't be bothered to register, and we're saved all the
> hassle of getting these interminable emails.
>
> What does everyone else think ...?
>
> Andy
>

I am for subscription too, but I understand that spammers mostly get
hold of email addresses either by spidering/scanning web-sites for email
addresses or buying lists from others who do the spidering. Shouldn't we
be concerned about access to archived messages too? I recall a recent
post from a lister who was alarmed to find one of his CCI posts after
using a search-engine.

Jim Fuller



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Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 22:11:36 -0000
From: "Andy Kemp" <andy.kemp@mail.com>
To: <cci@mustang.sr.unh.edu>
Subject: Re: e-mails
Message-ID: <000501c2bc19$eabf6010$0100a8c0@DAD>

I'd be interested to hear Allan's views on archiving. I personally feel that
if you put your email address into the public domain by using it AT ALL you
have to accept the risk that someone somewhere is going to pick it up and
(mis)use it. No matter what, you're going to get some junk email. However,
I've been using my own email address carefully for some five years now, and
receive minimal spam. Shouldn't say that really - tempting fate ;-)

My vote is to keep the archive on-line as a resource to researchers and
others - I feel that this benefit out-weighs the risk of abuse.

What does anyone else think?

Andy

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Fuller" <jtfuller@btinternet.com>
To: "Multiple recipients of list" <cci@mustang.sr.unh.edu>
Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 9:29 PM
Subject: [CCI] Re: e-mails


> > I think having subscription a subscription in place is a great idea,
> as the
> > average spammer can't be bothered to register, and we're saved all the
> > hassle of getting these interminable emails.
> >
> > What does everyone else think ...?
> >
> > Andy
> >
>
> I am for subscription too, but I understand that spammers mostly get
> hold of email addresses either by spidering/scanning web-sites for email
> addresses or buying lists from others who do the spidering. Shouldn't we
> be concerned about access to archived messages too? I recall a recent
> post from a lister who was alarmed to find one of his CCI posts after
> using a search-engine.
>
> Jim Fuller
>
>
>



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Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 23:34:09 +0100
From: Gregory Alegi <gregory.alegi@fastwebnet.it>
To: cci@mustang.sr.unh.edu
Subject: Re: e-mails
Message-ID: <a0431010dba4a405c454a@[23.7.50.41]>

Agreed.
I have stopped including my personal mail when I post on forums and 
get little or no spam.
I never get any spam on my business mail, despite it being available 
in print in various places.

Gregory

>I'd be interested to hear Allan's views on archiving. I personally feel that
>if you put your email address into the public domain by using it AT ALL you
>have to accept the risk that someone somewhere is going to pick it up and
>(mis)use it. No matter what, you're going to get some junk email. However,
>I've been using my own email address carefully for some five years now, and
>receive minimal spam. Shouldn't say that really - tempting fate ;-)
>
>My vote is to keep the archive on-line as a resource to researchers and
>others - I feel that this benefit out-weighs the risk of abuse.
>
>What does anyone else think?
>
>Andy

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Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 22:52:35 -0000
From: "COLIN HUSTON" <colin.huston@tesco.net>
To: <cci@mustang.sr.unh.edu>
Subject: Re: e-mails
Message-ID: <07b201c2bc1f$bda7e420$54d689d9@aptiva>

Andy, I couldn't agree with you more.

Email is such a great convenience, so I can't see any big problem about
hitting the Delete key — then deleting the deleted items every so often.

Like all junk mail it's impossible to stop, so if you don't want it – just bin it,
don't moan about it !  Surely we've got better uses for this List?

Colin


> I'd be interested to hear Allan's views on archiving. I personally feel that
> if you put your email address into the public domain by using it AT ALL you
> have to accept the risk that someone somewhere is going to pick it up and
> (mis)use it. No matter what, you're going to get some junk email. However,
> I've been using my own email address carefully for some five years now, and
> receive minimal spam. Shouldn't say that really - tempting fate ;-)
>
> My vote is to keep the archive on-line as a resource to researchers and
> others - I feel that this benefit out-weighs the risk of abuse.
>
> What does anyone else think?
>
> Andy


------------------------------

Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 23:13:45 -0000
From: "John Grech" <john.grech@ntlworld.com>
To: <cci@mustang.sr.unh.edu>
Subject: Re: e-mails
Message-ID: <002301c2bc22$96653400$1cc00650@your9al5izx2s9>

To those that have responded,

I am not to concerned about the archive, as I do not believe that spammers
will spend much time trying to access the e-mail addresses. But I would like
to see some degree of screening of the active list of participants.  I as a
matter of interest I always add the address to the blocked senders list, but
a small change in the senders e-mail address will always get through and  I
do not have this problem with other list's I belong to.


John G
----- Original Message -----
From: "Andy Kemp" <andy.kemp@mail.com>
To: "Multiple recipients of list" <cci@mustang.sr.unh.edu>
Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 10:13 PM
Subject: [CCI] Re: e-mails


> I'd be interested to hear Allan's views on archiving. I personally feel
that
> if you put your email address into the public domain by using it AT ALL
you
> have to accept the risk that someone somewhere is going to pick it up and
> (mis)use it. No matter what, you're going to get some junk email. However,
> I've been using my own email address carefully for some five years now,
and
> receive minimal spam. Shouldn't say that really - tempting fate ;-)
>
> My vote is to keep the archive on-line as a resource to researchers and
> others - I feel that this benefit out-weighs the risk of abuse.
>
> What does anyone else think?
>
> Andy
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jim Fuller" <jtfuller@btinternet.com>
> To: "Multiple recipients of list" <cci@mustang.sr.unh.edu>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 9:29 PM
> Subject: [CCI] Re: e-mails
>
>
> > > I think having subscription a subscription in place is a great idea,
> > as the
> > > average spammer can't be bothered to register, and we're saved all the
> > > hassle of getting these interminable emails.
> > >
> > > What does everyone else think ...?
> > >
> > > Andy
> > >
> >
> > I am for subscription too, but I understand that spammers mostly get
> > hold of email addresses either by spidering/scanning web-sites for email
> > addresses or buying lists from others who do the spidering. Shouldn't we
> > be concerned about access to archived messages too? I recall a recent
> > post from a lister who was alarmed to find one of his CCI posts after
> > using a search-engine.
> >
> > Jim Fuller
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>



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Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 00:39:49 -0000
From: "COLIN HUSTON" <colin.huston@tesco.net>
To: <cci@mustang.sr.unh.edu>
Subject: XIV Wing from Chipilly to Flez
Message-ID: <081401c2bc2e$c2001ce0$54d689d9@aptiva>

Lannie's Q: When did 14th Wing ( 22, 24, 54, Naval 1) move from Chipilly to Flez?

Having just seen the dates and locations Stig has listed

John, Re this query above, would you care to look in your tatty 24 Squadron
History and see if it actually mentions the date when the squadron moved,
around the end of April 1917 - it may possibly give it in there.

Hi Colin,
After consulting my exquisite 24 squadron volume, I see that 24 Squadron was
under the control of 14 Wing between 10 February 1916 and 10 July 1917, it
moved from Chipilly for Flez on 17 April 1917. (At least there is one page
that has not fallen out!) 
 John

Thanks John, 
That's certainly interesting, so if Jim Harvey was also correct then it looks like 
the various Squadrons moved east at different dates, with 22 Sqn not transferring 
till later, as he says the Wing HQs and two Flights of 22 crossed the Somme to
Flez (Guizancourt) on 1 May. [The two villages are just a mile apart so the airfield
was probably located between them and beside the railway].
With so many dates being given it's hard to know now exactly what did happen, 
but certainly due to the Germans' scorched earth policy as they retreated
there were no buildings left standing for Wing HQ or billets, which might explain 
the lack of an official date as the Squadron transfers were spread over a period. 

Anybody have any further records to add?


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Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 14:02:10 +1300
From: "Errol Martyn" <errol.martyn@xtra.co.nz>
To: <cci@mustang.sr.unh.edu>
Subject: Re: e-mails
Message-ID: <20030115014350.QJHX15912.mta1-rme.xtra.co.nz@e.martyn>

Ditto to that!

Errol Martyn
NZ
4639

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: From: COLIN HUSTON <colin.huston@tesco.net>
: To: Multiple recipients of list <cci@mustang.sr.unh.edu>
: Subject: [CCI] Re: e-mails
: Date: Wednesday, 15 January 2003 11:54
: 
: Andy, I couldn't agree with you more.
: 
: Email is such a great convenience, so I can't see any big problem about
: hitting the Delete key — then deleting the deleted items every so often.
: 
: Like all junk mail it's impossible to stop, so if you don't want it –
just bin it,
: don't moan about it !  Surely we've got better uses for this List?
: 
: Colin
: 
: 
: > I'd be interested to hear Allan's views on archiving. I personally feel
that
: > if you put your email address into the public domain by using it AT ALL
you
: > have to accept the risk that someone somewhere is going to pick it up
and
: > (mis)use it. No matter what, you're going to get some junk email.
However,
: > I've been using my own email address carefully for some five years now,
and
: > receive minimal spam. Shouldn't say that really - tempting fate ;-)
: >
: > My vote is to keep the archive on-line as a resource to researchers and
: > others - I feel that this benefit out-weighs the risk of abuse.
: >
: > What does anyone else think?
: >
: > Andy

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Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 00:38:15 +0100
From: Gregory Alegi <gregory.alegi@fastwebnet.it>
To: cci@mustang.sr.unh.edu
Subject: Re: Dutch Avros
Message-ID: <a04310102ba4a4f9a91a2@[23.7.50.41]>

Nick

Any chance of Ansaldo photos? There was an A.1 at Elta and the time 
the company was promoting its products very actively.

Gregory

>I have been sent a scan of a photo taken during an international air show to
>mark the opening  of Ockenburg aerodrome (near The Hague) between 26 and 29
>September 1919.
>
>The photos shows two AVRO 504K biplanes G-EAID (formerly K-173) and G-EAIJ
>(formerly H2597), which were flown by Shanks, Hinchcliffe and a Captain
>Smith for joyriding. Does anyone know anything about the (presumed) wartime
>service of these pilots.
>
>Also on the picture is a Fokker DVII and an unidentified cantilever wing
>biplane with a radial engine. Apparantly a Fokker C1 and an Ansaldo SVA5
>were in attendence also.
>
>Does anyone know any more about this event ? I assume that the Avros were
>'left over' from the ELTA event in August 1919.
>
>I can send a scan of the picture to anyone who is interested.
>
>Thanks
>
>Nick


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Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 08:15:46 -0000
From: Nick Forder <n.forder@msim.org.uk>
To: "bapclist@egroups. com (E-mail)" <bapclist@egroups.com>
Cc: "Cci (E-mail)" <cci@mustang.sr.unh.edu>,
Subject: FW: EF Ranger
Message-ID: <059A77A01B10D611B19C00065B19D2F3178368@EXCHANGE>

A slightly offbeat enquiry from the keeper of the British Anzani website.
Can anyone help ?

Thanks

Nick

-----Original Message-----
From: Martin Osborne [mailto:martin@mteysx.plus.com]
Sent: 14 January 2003 21:33
To: Nick Forder
Subject: RE: EF Ranger


Hi Nick,

Just a quickie.

Do you know of anywhere (or anyone) you can purchase rings from for a later
(post 1922) 'Y' Bleriot motor.

Someone in your industry has mailed me with a query and I don't have a clue
frankly.

ATB

Martin

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