CCI Digest 786 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Fw: Thanks & Post Cards by "Peter Wright" 2) Re: (no subject) by "Andy Kemp" 3) With the Rollo Fours by "John Grech" 4) e-mails by "John Grech" 5) Flez by GaGin1@aol.com 6) Re: (no subject) by "COLIN HUSTON" 7) Re: (no subject) by GaGin1@aol.com 8) Re: H C Biard by "Captain Bigglesworth" 9) FW: Re: H C Biard by Nick Forder 10) Dutch Avros by Nick Forder ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 19:12:13 -0000 From: "Peter Wright" To: Subject: Fw: Thanks & Post Cards Message-ID: <000701c2bb37$cff069b0$6442073e@NELLIE> Roger, Will you kindly supply me with this customer's card no and expiry date, so I may complete his order. Peter W. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brad Gossen" To: "Peter Wright" Sent: Monday, January 13, 2003 2:10 AM Subject: Thanks & Post Cards > Peter > > Thanks for getting hold of Roger for me. I have sent my new credit card > info to him and my request for a calendar. I also appreciate your setting > aside sets 2,3 &4 of the post cards for me. Can you get my credit card info > from Roger or would you like me to send it directly to you in several > e-mail's as well? Feel free to put it on file somewhere to simplify any > future orders from your society sales. > > Thanks again > & cheers > > Brad Gossen > #99 Darius Harns Drive > Brooklin, Ontario. > CANADA > L1M 2G2 > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 20:47:17 -0000 From: "Andy Kemp" To: Subject: Re: (no subject) Message-ID: <007501c2bb47$03147660$0100a8c0@DAD> Hi Lannie Mr Halley's book tells me that it was 23-Apr-1917. Anyone who has War in the Air care to argue??? Andy ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Monday, January 13, 2003 1:09 AM Subject: [CCI] (no subject) > Can anyone who has the original WAR IN THE AIR tell me when 14th Wing ( 22, > 24, 54, Naval 1) moved from Chipilly to Flez? > Lannie Liggera > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 22:27:53 -0000 From: "John Grech" To: "Discussion group" Subject: With the Rollo Fours Message-ID: <002301c2bb53$03a7bf40$1cc00650@your9al5izx2s9> Hi With the Rollo Fours by Frank Williams. Williams served with 66 squadron for a short while, if any one has this book can they let me know how much of it is devoted to his time with 66? many thanks John Grech ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 22:30:18 -0000 From: "John Grech" To: "Discussion group" Subject: e-mails Message-ID: <002d01c2bb53$5a071b10$1cc00650@your9al5izx2s9> Hi all Yet again I have had an e-mail from Nigeria with another of these scams. Is there no way new members of the list can be screened to stop this rubbish coming through? John ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 17:56:05 EST From: GaGin1@aol.com To: cci@mustang.sr.unh.edu Subject: Flez Message-ID: <11b.1cade5eb.2b549e05@aol.com> Andy, The history of Sqn. 24 has them moving up to Flez April 16 , and then I have a note that Swqn. 22 moved on the 18th. I have nothing for Sqn 54 and Naval 1 Perhaps this is their date of movememnt forward behind the British ground troops who took four miles of territory (and of course the Germans were pulling back to the Hindenberg line... Lannie ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 01:59:00 -0000 From: "COLIN HUSTON" To: Subject: Re: (no subject) Message-ID: <06ef01c2bb70$9f1ffc40$54d689d9@aptiva> Hi Lannie, Have been unable to find an exact date in 'War in the Air' or in 'A Short History of the RAF', but according to WFJ Harvey, in 'PI in the Sky', his history of 22 Squadron, he writes: "Spring came suddenly on the 30th April, and on the next day Wing HQs and two Flights of the Squadron crossed the Somme river to Flez (Guizancourt), an aerodrome nearer the new front line ........." Extract from Appendix VI lists 22 Sqn Commander/Location as follows: 16 Apr 1916 – Major R.B. Martyn – Bertangles [OC Nov '15 - Feb '17] 27 Jan 1917 - Major L.W. Learmont – Chipilly 01 May 1917 - Major L.W. Learmont – Flez [OC Feb '17 - Mar '18] 03 July 1917 - Major L.W. Learmont – Le Hameau 14 Aug 1917 - Major L.W. Learmont – Boisdinghem 10 Sept 1917 - Major L.W. Learmont – Estrιe Blanche etc....... Hope this helps Colin > Hi Lannie> > Mr Halley's book tells me that it was 23-Apr-1917.> > Anyone who has War in the Air care to argue??? > > Andy > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: "Multiple recipients of list" > Sent: Monday, January 13, 2003 1:09 AM > Subject: [CCI] (no subject) > > > > Can anyone who has the original WAR IN THE AIR tell me when 14th Wing ( > 22, > > 24, 54, Naval 1) moved from Chipilly to Flez? > > Lannie Liggera > > > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 23:10:29 EST From: GaGin1@aol.com To: cci@mustang.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: (no subject) Message-ID: Thanks, Colin! Lannie ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 07:54:54 +0000 From: "Captain Bigglesworth" To: cci@mustang.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: H C Biard Message-ID: Hi there, I have some data which which comes from 'Lloyds Aviation Record - Pilots' circa 1924 Some of tyhe information was supplied by H C Baird on 14 DEcember 1920 Henry Charles Biard Born; 1 January 1892 Nationality; British Commenced flying in 1912 Granted Royal Aero Club Aviators Certificate No.218, issued 4 June 1912 Records state he was an Instructor in R.N.A.S. amd R.F.C. Since June 1919 was employed by the Supermarine Aviation Works at Southampton on passenger and demonstration flights >From 14 December 1920 to 26 May 1921 was engaged on demonstrational, test and instructional flying Flew Supermarine Amphibial Type II In the 1920 - 24 period there were two home addresses given for him; first was 48 Portsmouth Road, Woolston, Southampton this was deleted and replaced by 9 Gordon Terrace, Weston B Pilot Locence No.102 27 November 1920 - 6 Dec 1924 (at least) On 26 May 1921 had flown approx 2,319 hours 26 November 1921 2,337 hours 5 December 1922 2,348 hours 7 June 1923 2,366 hours and another 129 hours by 7 December 1923 The nature of his flying was then listed as Testing and Experimental. Cross Country Test flights, racing and Southampton-Guernsey Air Service Listed as Winner of Schneider International Seaplane Race at Naples, August 1922 in a Supermarine 'Sea Lion' [Captain H C Baird achived the average speed of 145.7 m.p.h. in this contest The also piloted the Supermarine 'Sea Lion III' in the 1923 contest at Cowes, but he was beaten by the American Curtis Navy Racers In the 1925 contest in Baltimore, Captain H C Biard was piloting the Supermarine S.4. On the day of the eliminating trials 23 October 1925 the S.4 crashed through wing flutter, though Captain H C Baird was uninjured ] Flown 16 types of aircraft by December 1920 Sorry there is nothing beyond this - I do not have a date of death, though would like to have one for the record Hope this helps a little Cheers David > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Ian Burns" > > > To: "Multiple recipients of list" > > > Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2003 8:02 PM > > > Subject: [CCI] Re: H C Biard > > > > > > > > > > Hi John, > > > > Since you are up to speed with his Supermarine days, I assume you >have >a > > > copy of his self serving autobiog: "Wings" Hurst and Blackett >ca.1936. > > > > Regards, > > > > Ian > > > > _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 09:07:48 -0000 From: Nick Forder To: "'cci@mustang.sr.unh.edu'" Subject: FW: Re: H C Biard Message-ID: <059A77A01B10D611B19C00065B19D2F317834E@EXCHANGE> Has anyone checked Nev Doyle's 'From Sea Eagle to Albatross'* (about the Southampton-Channel Island air services between the wars) for details of Biard ? If not, I'll do so. Nick PS I have a small stock of these books* which Nev gave me some time ago to take to a BAPC meeting. If anyone wants a copy they are available at £5.00 each (plus P&P at cost). A review has appeared in the C&CI Journal, written by someone called Forder, but I am sure that the book is an awful lot better than he said it was ! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 10:17:06 -0000 From: Nick Forder To: "Cci (E-mail)" Cc: "bapclist@egroups. com (E-mail)" Subject: Dutch Avros Message-ID: <059A77A01B10D611B19C00065B19D2F3178354@EXCHANGE> I have been sent a scan of a photo taken during an international air show to mark the opening of Ockenburg aerodrome (near The Hague) between 26 and 29 September 1919. The photos shows two AVRO 504K biplanes G-EAID (formerly K-173) and G-EAIJ (formerly H2597), which were flown by Shanks, Hinchcliffe and a Captain Smith for joyriding. Does anyone know anything about the (presumed) wartime service of these pilots. Also on the picture is a Fokker DVII and an unidentified cantilever wing biplane with a radial engine. Apparantly a Fokker C1 and an Ansaldo SVA5 were in attendence also. Does anyone know any more about this event ? I assume that the Avros were 'left over' from the ELTA event in August 1919. I can send a scan of the picture to anyone who is interested. Thanks Nick ------------------------------ End of CCI Digest 786 *********************