WWI Digest 5087 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Preserving Old Photos by Eric GALLAUD 2) Re: Holidays by Eric GALLAUD 3) Re: Preserving old photos by Ken Schmitt 4) Restoration of Nieuport 23 - correction by "Philippe Spriesterbach" 5) Re: Preserving Old Photos by "Bob Laskodi" 6) Re: new Ospreys by Fenyan@aol.com 7) Re: Preserving old photos by "Shane Weier" 8) Re: Preserving old photos by MARK MILLER 9) Re: Preserving old photos by "John & Allison Cyganowski" 10) Eduard DH-2 Profipak picture by "Michael Kendix" 11) Re: Update of Nieuport pages by Clay W Fulcher 12) Re: Ravelli M.14 MG by VMA324Vagabonds@aol.com 13) From The Abacha`s by mariama47@juntos.com 14) Re: Preserving old photos by "Shane Weier" 15) Albatros serials by "Bob Pearson" 16) RE: Albatros serials by "Ross & Wendy Moorhouse" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 04:57:59 +0100 From: Eric GALLAUD To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Preserving Old Photos Message-ID: <3E72A4C7.9020805@club-internet.fr> I already try to scan some old OT pictures with a good but not professional scanner and I am very satisfied with the result. From a postcard (about 89 x 137 mm), I have a picture on my computer screen of 3174 x 1580 pixel, and it is not the maximum resolution possible. One of the key IMO is to avoid to compress the file and to want to have a small size picture. Eric MARK MILLER a écrit: >Shane >Your probably right about the digital copy being "low quality" >if it is scanned on a cheap scanner. >But, I believe that if you get it proffesionaly done on a high >end drum scanner that you will get results that at least equals >anything done with film. >but, i'm not exactly an expert in the field ;-) > >best bet is to go to a reputable local imaging lab and ask >Mark > >--- Shane Weier wrote: > > >>Do both. The digital copy is low quality but convenient and >>cheap, a proper copy (which *will* cost actual money if you >> >> >do it right) done by an expert with a process camera offers >more chance of capturing as much as possible of >the remaining information and "atmosphere" > > > >>Remember that the best scanner you are likely to access has a >>pathetic >>resolution in comparison to film. Which is not to say that you >>don't lose >>quality in the next generation print, just that the drop will >>be less than >>digital. All IMO of course >> >> ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 05:01:02 +0100 From: Eric GALLAUD To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Holidays Message-ID: <3E72A57E.3080109@club-internet.fr> Happy holidays, "see" you later Eric Martin Héctor AFFLITTO ECHAGÜE a écrit: >Dear listees; > > My very wished holidays are starting tomorrow 15th >March.Together with my wife >we're going to the middle of nowhere,many kilometers away from any civilized >place,even if there is a very light internet connection usable only by night >when the electrical engine is on,I'll be off-line for 3 weeks.Cheers to you >all;we'll see when I'm back home. > >Greetings... > >Martín Héctor Afflitto Echagüe > > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 23:01:20 -0600 From: Ken Schmitt To: Subject: Re: Preserving old photos Message-ID: Lance, Shane and Mark: > Best bet is (as you say) take it to a proper imaging lab. They'll have a > drum scanner and process cameras and should get the best out of the photo. > If they have a scanner capable of 4-5000dpi or better you'll never tell the > difference anyway! Have been doing graphic design for the last 26 years. In the early 80's (and prior), separations were initiated photographically. >From there 4 or more plates were generated. In the early 80's, laser drum scanners began to appear and the qualitative jump in image resolution was remarkable. The short version of this in analog v. digital is, by analogy, by way of Compact Disc audio v. your old LP's (and played via tubed amps). The 'analog' photograph of the original will "seem more real" because that its what we are used to, but it will not be a *better image*. It will contain *less information than the original*. I was taught this early on. "First generation is best and the farther from that (2nd -4th, etc) one gets, the more the degradation. The highest quality laser scanner will actually get *everything* and I mean everything, to the extent, that you will *not like it*, i.e. it shows the tiniest of detail and by way of, flaw. Simple language: The highest pixel resolution (density of information) is *better* than any emulsion or optics practically available. To return to Compact Discs v. LP (on a tubed amp), it will not sound right, but it will be technically *more accurate*. The fogeys (I R one) on the list know what I'm talking about - CD's v. LPs. This is a separate issue from *altering the original*. That is up to the operator and the person making the request and quite subjective, by contrast. sorry for bandwidth. if you have the money, scan it, top-end. if you don't, do the best you can with photographic reproduction. most cameras and tripods are still superior to any $100 flatbed scanner. Ken ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 07:52:05 +0100 From: "Philippe Spriesterbach" To: "Wwi" Subject: Restoration of Nieuport 23 - correction Message-ID: Hello all, As Shane said, I become an old codger and my memory fall ;-)) I make a mistake on the site. The restoration of the Nieuport 23 is not in charge of the BAMRS, but it's David Piron (one of our noncommissionned officer of the Brussels Air Museum) and its team that make this very good work. David is a very nice guy and its work deserve to be knew. Regards Philippe Spriesterbach http://users.skynet.be/fa233213 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 23:16:29 -0800 From: "Bob Laskodi" To: Subject: Re: Preserving Old Photos Message-ID: <001901c2eac2$cd2b09a0$3e3819d0@a8f1a1> <<if it is scanned on a cheap scanner. >But, I believe that if you get it proffesionaly done on a high >end drum scanner that you will get results that at least equals >anything done with film.>>> No photo scanner currently available approaches the quality of a film/camera based copy. The only advantages of digital scanning are cost and convenience. If you can afford it, and quality of reproduction is your highest requirement, go with photo's. But be forwarned, this route is not cheap! YMMV -----------Bob ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 04:22:39 EST From: Fenyan@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: new Ospreys Message-ID: <28.352bfc5d.2ba44adf@aol.com> Thanks, I didn't know they were out--will have to pick them up. I did find the Triplane volume to be a good read. ...Fen In a message dated 3/14/03 7:36:24 PM, wwi@wwi-models.org writes: << Listees, I have just got Osprey's Fokker D VII Pt. 1 and Camel Aces. The Fokker book does not contain any great sensation and any owner of all three Fokker Anthologies have seen most if not all photos and most colour drawings, albeit to a much higher price. The Pt. 1 book concentrade on JG I - IV a/c. What I have not seen before ( or could not remember...) is Lxenhart's yellow fuselaged D VII. There are several Gxing D VII's, from Jasta 27 up to his all-white bird, including a red/white one which I have seen on pics, but no drawing. Udet's D VII with a LO on the side is represented in three versions. The famous candy striped machine is shown in black/white wings and black engine cowling, which will start the old discussions again. I can't say much about the Camel book, as I am not the great PC 10 expert. (..or any other...). They looks fine to me and some are suprisingly colourful! Hans >> ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 21:35:50 +1000 From: "Shane Weier" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Preserving old photos Message-ID: Ken says: >Simple language: The highest pixel resolution (density of information) >is *better* than any emulsion or optics practically available. This is true. Even a 4x5 process camera is limited by the optics, not the film. The limitiation is around about equivalent to 5000 dpi (though optical cameras usually define resolution in line pairs) >if you have the money, scan it, top-end. >if you don't, do the best you can with photographic reproduction. >most cameras and tripods are still superior to any $100 flatbed >scanner. I guess this is what I said in my first post - that scanning at an affordable price is still likely to be inferior. Incidentally, while I was in Sydney last week I went with my brother to Fox Studios where they do a lot graphics stuff for computer animation and so on (for Star Wars for example) He showed me an 11,000 dpi scanner - the topline type he has access to IIRC but may have even been the best you could buy. If it wasn't for that visit last week I wouldn't have known jack about the comparisons! Shane ******************************** My Strine is a Toad in Disguise ******************************** _________________________________________________________________ MSN Instant Messenger now available on Australian mobile phones. Go to http://ninemsn.com.au/mobilecentral/hotmail_messenger.asp ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 04:53:21 -0800 (PST) From: MARK MILLER To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Preserving old photos Message-ID: <20030315125321.69618.qmail@web80306.mail.yahoo.com> --- Shane Weier wrote: Even a 4x5 process camera is limited by the optics, not the film. The limitiation is around about equivalent to 5000 dpi (though optical cameras usually define resolution in line pairs) Hi Shane The company I used to work for is(was) called Perkin-Elmer/Hughes/Raytheon/Goodrich. the slashes are the buyouts ;-) We made high end optics for Nasa and the military. Our biggest claim to fame was the Optical telescope assembly for the Hubble Space Telescope - and yes, the asperical abberation was mainly our fault :-( Now, this doesn't necesarily make me an expert on optics -I'm just an illustrator. But I do know that you can make an optic of almost unbelievable quality. (HST can resolve a quarter from 6000 miles - something like that) Of course, it cost a lot.... I mean a LOT of money! The point is you can make an optic just about as good as you have money for, so how can that be the limiting factor in photography? I always thought it was the paper. But, I suspect in the real world of commercial cameras that the optics are probably, as you say, the limiting factor. But conceptualy the quality of the optics is just about limitless. > Incidentally, while I was in Sydney last week I went with my > brother to Fox > Studios where they do a lot graphics stuff for computer > animation and so on > (for Star Wars for example) He showed me an 11,000 dpi scanner > - the topline > type he has access to IIRC but may have even been the best you > could buy. sounds like a fun job 11,000 DPI !!! hope they have a big hard drive ;-) Mark ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 08:27:43 -0500 From: "John & Allison Cyganowski" To: Subject: Re: Preserving old photos Message-ID: <004701c2eaf6$a95d8cd0$e1075b0c@millipore.com> Relax mate. That has never stopped me before! Cyg. >If it wasn't for that visit last week I wouldn't have known jack about the > comparisons! > > Shane > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 14:26:27 +0000 From: "Michael Kendix" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Eduard DH-2 Profipak picture Message-ID: Maybe someone's mentioned this but I see that Eduard has a picture of their 1/72nd sclae DH-2 Profipak art showing "5967" Red 4 with the red & white striped interplane struts and red wheels. Looks great. Presumably this will be on of 3 choices of in-box schemes. Michael _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 09:28:45 -0700 From: Clay W Fulcher To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Update of Nieuport pages Message-ID: <20030315.092845.1572.2.mtngoat01@juno.com> AAiiheee ROFL LOL I just spewed coffee all over my screen. On Thu, 13 Mar 2003 19:01:50 -0500 (EST) "Shane Weier" writes: > > And me! Maybe one day I'll be old enough to like "sexy little > fellers" as > Pedro does. Or maybe not ;-) > > Shane > ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 14:17:16 EST From: VMA324Vagabonds@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Ravelli M.14 MG Message-ID: <20.c983a2f.2ba4d63c@aol.com> --part1_20.c983a2f.2ba4d63c_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 3/9/2003 5:46:53 PM Eastern Standard Time, marek.mincbergr@polabi.celakovice.cz writes: > Hi all, > > does anybody of you have any picture or drawing of Italian Ravelli M.1914 > MG, please? I do not think he Villar-Perosa 9 mm twin-MG. If you have some, > can you please send me them or link to them, please? > > BR > Marek > Hi Merek, I saw your posting a few days back on these two Machine guns. I have a Basic manual of Military Small arms that covers American, British, Russian, German, Italian, Japanese and other small arms. This manual has pictures as well as instructions on how to load, operate, disassemble and assemble them. If you still need this information I'll try to scan and send it to you. Best regards, Jon --part1_20.c983a2f.2ba4d63c_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 3/9/2003 5:46:53 PM Eastern S= tandard Time, marek.mincbergr@polabi.celakovice.cz writes:

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