WWI Digest 5086 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) =?GB2312?B?x+vL2bj81f2587WlzrvU2s7SzfjJz7XE0MXPoqOh?= by =?GB2312?B?ufq80r3ww7O5pLPMsOy5q8rS?= 2) Re: Suggestions Re: Preserving Photos? by "NEIL EDDY" 3) new Ospreys by "Hans Trauner" 4) Gone! by Crawford Neil 5) RE: Gone! by "Diego Ferneti" 6) Model Show by Steve Cox 7) RE: An Excerpt from the Encyclopedia Fernettica? by "Diego Ferneti" 8) Re: An Excerpt from the Encyclopedia Fernettica? by tbittners@sprintmail.com (Matt Bittner) 9) Re: An Excerpt from the Encyclopedia Fernettica? by "Diego Ferneti" 10) Re: An Excerpt from the Encyclopedia Fernettica? by tbittners@sprintmail.com (Matt Bittner) 11) FT-17 found in Afganistan by EPMyles@aol.com 12) Nie23 by "Liefferinckx Frederic" 13) Re: Preserving Old Photos by Zulis@aol.com 14) Re: FT-17 found in Afganistan by Sean Brian Kirby 15) Re: Preserving Old Photos by "Lance Krieg" 16) Re: FT-17 found in Afganistan by "Pedro Soares" 17) Re: Nie23 by "Pedro Soares" 18) Re: FT-17 found in Afghanistan by "Ross & Wendy Moorhouse" 19) Re: Update of Nieuport pages by Mike Fletcher 20) Re: FT-17 found in Afganistan by "Mike Muth" 21) Re: I'm back! - IMPORTANT for some of you! by "Grzegorz Mazurowski" 22) Re: Preserving Old Photos by "Shane Weier" 23) Re: Preserving Old Photos by MARK MILLER 24) Holidays by =?iso-8859-1?Q?Martin_H=E9ctor_AFFLITTO_ECHAG=DCE?= 25) Re: Preserving Old Photos by "Shane Weier" 26) FT-17 found in Afganistan by ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 15:56:28 +0800 From: =?GB2312?B?ufq80r3ww7O5pLPMsOy5q8rS?= To: wwi@mustang.sr.unh.edu Subject: =?GB2312?B?x+vL2bj81f2587WlzrvU2s7SzfjJz7XE0MXPoqOh?= Message-ID: <200303142158.h2ELw1B70288@vhost.ccec.com.cn> 通知: 请你核对中国商品交易中心 http://www.ccec.com.cn 中国省、自治区、直辖市、计划单列市《企业大全》栏目中本企业的信息。 如有不妥或缺漏,可采用以下方法填加和改正: 1、免费会员注册、填加详细信息; 2、选择金贸服务,成为专业会员,缴费800元人民币, 我们将在《全国省、自治区、直辖市、计划单列市企业大全》 中选择你的专业关联企业推广你的信息,包括广告。 传真:86-10-87298882 国家金贸工程办公室 中国金贸网 2003年3月 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 20:57:54 +1100 From: "NEIL EDDY" To: Subject: Re: Suggestions Re: Preserving Photos? Message-ID: <002801c2ea10$2fc967e0$7ed832d2@default> Hi Dave; I agree with Merrill, the acid free paper sheets are a good start. It may pay you in the long run to talk to somone who specialises in photo conservation/restoration for some other tips also. These guys often run specialist businesses and can usually be found in the phone book. Otherwise try your local museum archivist for some tips. All the Best Neil E ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Friday, March 14, 2003 3:29 PM Subject: [WWI] Re: Suggestions Re: Preserving Photos? > Dave, do not mount, bind or place in any kind of cover! Ideally it would be > best to have those photos digitally recorded, like with a good quality scanner, > but putting them in any ordinary sort of albumn would do them further damange. > They need to be stored in a cool dry, dark place, away from plastics (which > vent chemicals) and other paper or cardboard (many of which contain small > amounts of acid) The photos sound as if they have already been damaged by light > and moisture, check your local photo store for "acid free" paper to place > between them, to help preserve the actual photos, and get them scanned ASAP. > > -- > Merrill > Your Madness May Vary > > > > Greetings! > > > > Over the past few years I have managed to acquire a couple of dozen old aviation > > photos, ranging in vintage from 1919 - 1930. Most are printed on rather rugged > > paper, but the images are shifting to the sepia and the paper is beginning to > > break down a bit as well. > > > > I am asking those of you who complement your modelling by collecting old photos > > - what do you do to preserve them / display them / keep them from declining > > further? Ideally, I would like to be able to look at them easily, perhaps by > > safely mounting them in an album or binder of some sort, but I do not want to > > damage them and I am searching for ideas here. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Dave Z (Dave #13) > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 16:46:12 +0100 From: "Hans Trauner" To: Subject: new Ospreys Message-ID: <002b01c2ea40$d784b400$b7ac72d4@FRITZweb> Listees, I have just got Osprey's Fokker D VII Pt. 1 and Camel Aces. The Fokker book does not contain any great sensation and any owner of all three Fokker Anthologies have seen most if not all photos and most colour drawings, albeit to a much higher price. The Pt. 1 book concentrade on JG I - IV a/c. What I have not seen before ( or could not remember...) is L鰓enhart's yellow fuselaged D VII. There are several G鰎ing D VII's, from Jasta 27 up to his all-white bird, including a red/white one which I have seen on pics, but no drawing. Udet's D VII with a LO on the side is represented in three versions. The famous candy striped machine is shown in black/white wings and black engine cowling, which will start the old discussions again. I can't say much about the Camel book, as I am not the great PC 10 expert. (..or any other...). They looks fine to me and some are suprisingly colourful! Hans ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 17:26:33 +0100 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: Gone! Message-ID: Off for a week or so, be nice, don't start any wars. Spads are best, SE5's are quite nice, Nieuports OK if a little square. Oh what the heck, I guess I like all of them, even Naglo's ;-) /Neil ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 14:18:58 -0300 From: "Diego Ferneti" To: Cc: , "Crawford Neil" Subject: RE: Gone! Message-ID: <004f01c2ea4d$cd260ec0$4817a8c0@sssp.rosario.gov.ar> Good luck at the tropical islands Neil! Perhaps you can find any stranded Naglos out there! D. ----- Original Message ----- From: Crawford Neil To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Friday, March 14, 2003 1:28 PM Subject: [WWI] Gone! > > Off for a week or so, be nice, don't start any wars. > Spads are best, SE5's are quite nice, Nieuports OK if a little square. > Oh what the heck, I guess I like all of them, even Naglo's ;-) > /Neil > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 18:13:58 +0000 From: Steve Cox To: WW1 Mail List Subject: Model Show Message-ID: I may be going to the Southern Expo on Sunday. Anyone have anything they'd like me to look out for? email me off line, with budget, if there is regards Steve =========================================== steve@oldglebe.freeserve.co.uk http://www.oldglebe.freeserve.co.uk/steveshome.html http://www.bramptonscalemodelclub.fsnet.co.uk If I didn't spend so much time on line 媼 I'd get some models finished ================ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 16:05:01 -0300 From: "Diego Ferneti" To: Subject: RE: An Excerpt from the Encyclopedia Fernettica? Message-ID: <015b01c2ea5c$9d247c20$4817a8c0@sssp.rosario.gov.ar> Brento wrote: > Here is a short paragraph that had me chuckling over lunch today... > "...Because he had little faith in bombing runs, he proposed to > perform, --- snipped paragraph---- In spite of the risk, the British accepted..." Well, that's a mildly daring plan compared to this one: " In June 1916, the German High Command proposed a plan to break the resistance of the Fortress of Verdun held by the French Army. In view of the abusive and completely outrageous behaviour of the French enemy, the Sonderkommission zu einem Aufbau der benutzten hohlen h鰈zernen Tiere w鋒rend der umgebenen St鋜ken feindlich (also known as SzeAbhhTwuSf by the commoners) started the construction of an infernal machine destined to break the enemy defenses from *inside* the fortresses and strongpoints. The plan was simple but deadly: The Imperial German Army idea was to build a large hollow wooden horse, and leave that at the entrance of one of the biggest enemy Forts. Then, the atrocious Frenchmen will drag the machine inside, thinking for sure that it was one of those ingenious German toys so liked for all the children. Amused for a while, the French will probably return to their usual wine drinking and brawling and swearing and eating escargots and sangliers until they fall asleep. Then a special Stormtrooper group of 567 men and two officers would get out of the "H鰈zernpferd R.I" and cause assorted mischief in the French defenses, and in general terms, win the war, so to speak. Unfortunately the wooden horse wasn't ready by late Autumn of 1918, due to shortages in the wood production. During the hectic days after the War ended, the gogantic horse was scrapped and sold as firewood for the starving masses." >From The Eciclopaedia Frenetica, Tome MMMCLV, Pages 35 and 56 D. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 13:13:05 -0600 (CST) From: tbittners@sprintmail.com (Matt Bittner) To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: An Excerpt from the Encyclopedia Fernettica? Message-ID: <200303141913.h2EJD5E44577@king1.kingsnake.com> I thought it was a Rabbit! :-) --- Begin quoted message --- Date: 03-14-2003 13:05 From: "Diego Ferneti" To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [WWI] RE: An Excerpt from the Encyclopedia Fernettica? > Brento wrote: > > Here is a short paragraph that had me chuckling over lunch today... > > "...Because he had little faith in bombing runs, he proposed to > > perform, --- snipped paragraph---- In spite of the risk, the British > accepted..." > > Well, that's a mildly daring plan compared to this one: > " In June 1916, the German High Command proposed a plan to break the > resistance of the Fortress of Verdun held by the French Army. In view of the > abusive and completely outrageous behaviour of the French enemy, the > Sonderkommission zu einem Aufbau der benutzten hohlen h鰈zernen Tiere > w鋒rend der umgebenen St鋜ken feindlich (also known as SzeAbhhTwuSf by the > commoners) started the construction of an infernal machine destined to break > the enemy defenses from *inside* the fortresses and strongpoints. > The plan was simple but deadly: The Imperial German Army idea was to build a > large hollow wooden horse, and leave that at the entrance of one of the > biggest enemy Forts. Then, the atrocious Frenchmen will drag the machine > inside, thinking for sure that it was one of those ingenious German toys so > liked for all the children. Amused for a while, the French will probably > return to their usual wine drinking and brawling and swearing and eating > escargots and sangliers until they fall asleep. Then a special Stormtrooper > group of 567 men and two officers would get out of the "H鰈zernpferd R.I" > and cause assorted mischief in the French defenses, and in general terms, > win the war, so to speak. > Unfortunately the wooden horse wasn't ready by late Autumn of 1918, due to > shortages in the wood production. During the hectic days after the War > ended, the gogantic horse was scrapped and sold as firewood for the starving > masses." > > >From The Eciclopaedia Frenetica, Tome MMMCLV, Pages 35 and 56 > D. > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 16:32:23 -0300 From: "Diego Ferneti" To: Subject: Re: An Excerpt from the Encyclopedia Fernettica? Message-ID: <016401c2ea60$701b6a00$4817a8c0@sssp.rosario.gov.ar> Well, they tried that on the prototype, but always forgot to put a door in that one! D. ----- Original Message ----- From: Matt Bittner > I thought it was a Rabbit! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 13:52:51 -0600 (CST) From: tbittners@sprintmail.com (Matt Bittner) To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: An Excerpt from the Encyclopedia Fernettica? Message-ID: <200303141952.h2EJqpc45921@king1.kingsnake.com> I thought it was because they forgot to get inside of it before it was taken into the Fort! ;-) --- Begin quoted message --- Date: 03-14-2003 13:31 From: "Diego Ferneti" To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [WWI] Re: An Excerpt from the Encyclopedia Fernettica? > Well, they tried that on the prototype, but always forgot to put a door in > that one! > D. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Matt Bittner > > > I thought it was a Rabbit! > > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 15:29:00 EST From: EPMyles@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: FT-17 found in Afganistan Message-ID: <37.359bbe5f.2ba3958c@aol.com> --part1_37.359bbe5f.2ba3958c_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Language: en I don't know if anyone has seen this before - it is a pretty interesting=20 find: http://www.defendamerica.mil/articles/feb2003/a022703b.html Here is the lead: KABUL, Afghanistan =E2=80=94 Remnants of other countries lay in ruin coverin= g the=20 Afghanistan landscape. Many countries have passed through this land in their= =20 efforts of domination, each leaving something behind. Many of the items are=20 being used, while most litter the sides of the road and decorate various=20 junkyards. There is one particular item of interest for the United States. It is a=20 French Renault FT/17 tank circa WWI.=20 =20 Enjoy -=20 Myles --part1_37.359bbe5f.2ba3958c_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Language: en
I don't know if anyone has seen this before  -  it is a pretty= interesting find:

http://www.defendamerica.mil/articles/feb2003/a022= 703b.html

Here is the lead:

KABUL, Afghanistan =E2=80=94 Remna= nts of other countries lay in ruin covering the Afghanistan landscape. Many=20= countries have passed through this land in their efforts of domination, each= leaving something behind. Many of the items are being used, while most litt= er the sides of the road and decorate various junkyards.
There is one par= ticular item of interest for the United States. It is a French Renault FT/17= tank circa WWI.

Enjoy -
Myles
--part1_37.359bbe5f.2ba3958c_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 22:17:58 +0100 From: "Liefferinckx Frederic" To: Subject: Nie23 Message-ID: <001101c2ea6f$306092a0$db44fea9@leif> Hi the Gang i hope that you love the pictures of the Brusel's Nie23 all my pic are on my Friend Philippe's site,the crew chief for this restoration is a friend of me and his name is David a very good guy(he love his work) for the LVG,is my job(i'm volonter-in french :b閚関ole) i work on all saturday when i'm free becaus i'm a belgian professional soldier(not an hairdresser just an member of the Belgian parachute brigade,reccon troops).Sorry for my bad english,regards Fred ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 16:12:45 -0500 From: Zulis@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Preserving Old Photos Message-ID: <460AA492.12391B4B.000121E7@aol.com> Thank you, Merrill, Karen, Bob and Neil for your advice on how to protect my old photos. One thing that everyone seems to agree upon is to preserve a good quality digital copy, and I shall look into that right away. As Karen said, putting them away completely is no fun - you want to be able to take them out and peer at them occasionally. But, if I have a good digital copy, I think I could content myself with that and keep the originals under wraps (acid-free, of course). Going just a little ot here, I have long had an interest in Latvian aviation (between the wars). I have been collecting bits and pieces, preparing to establish a web site on the topic. For example, when the British removed their naval forces from the Baltic in December, 1919 they donated a handful of Camels (not the furry kind) to help start the Latvian Air Force. I was only aware of three photos of these particular planes, and these three appeared in all the books and publications. Recently, I was able to obtain three more, different ones, and suddenly I became aware of how important it is to start taking care of some of this stuff. Thank you again for your help, Dave Z. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 13:46:57 -0800 (PST) From: Sean Brian Kirby To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: FT-17 found in Afganistan Message-ID: <20030314214657.55667.qmail@web14804.mail.yahoo.com> --- EPMyles@aol.com wrote: > I don't know if anyone has seen this before - it > is a pretty interesting=20 > find: http://www.defendamerica.mil/articles/feb2003/a022703b.html Whoa, man - I'd have to say that is strangely OT. Well, now she'll have a good home. Good bit of scrubbing to be done there, eh? Sean ===== www.pitpass.com __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - establish your business online http://webhosting.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 15:51:36 -0600 From: "Lance Krieg" To: Subject: Re: Preserving Old Photos Message-ID: One query on this that will probably display my ignorance: Does one wish to create a digital copy necessarily, or would an analog (i.e. conventional photographic copy) be better? Is there a limitation to the overall quality achievable with a scanner that would fall short of the orginial print? I would never alter the original, personally, and photographic copies can be "played" with in the same fashion as the originals. Lance ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 22:09:53 -0000 From: "Pedro Soares" To: Subject: Re: FT-17 found in Afganistan Message-ID: <002601c2ea76$70c51580$64475451@netcabo.pt> ot alert Last year when images of Afganistan began to flood tv's, I am sure I saw a line up of P-51's. Anyone seen this too? Pedro ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Friday, March 14, 2003 8:30 PM Subject: [WWI] FT-17 found in Afganistan > > --part1_37.359bbe5f.2ba3958c_boundary > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > Content-Language: en > > > I don't know if anyone has seen this before - it is a pretty interesting=20 > find: > > > > http://www.defendamerica.mil/articles/feb2003/a022703b.html > > > > Here is the lead: > > > > KABUL, Afghanistan =E2=80=94 Remnants of other countries lay in ruin coverin= > g the=20 > Afghanistan landscape. Many countries have passed through this land in their= > =20 > efforts of domination, each leaving something behind. Many of the items are=20 > being used, while most litter the sides of the road and decorate various=20 > junkyards. > > There is one particular item of interest for the United States. It is a=20 > French Renault FT/17 tank circa WWI.=20 > > =20 > > Enjoy -=20 > > Myles > > > > --part1_37.359bbe5f.2ba3958c_boundary > Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > Content-Language: en > > > >
I don't know if anyone has seen this before  -  it is a pretty= > interesting find:

http://www.defendamerica.mil/articles/feb2003/a022= > 703b.html

Here is the lead:

KABUL, Afghanistan =E2=80=94 Remna= > nts of other countries lay in ruin covering the Afghanistan landscape. Many=20= > countries have passed through this land in their efforts of domination, each= > leaving something behind. Many of the items are being used, while most litt= > er the sides of the road and decorate various junkyards.
There is one par= > ticular item of interest for the United States. It is a French Renault FT/17= > tank circa WWI.

Enjoy -
Myles
> > --part1_37.359bbe5f.2ba3958c_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 22:13:56 -0000 From: "Pedro Soares" To: Subject: Re: Nie23 Message-ID: <003901c2ea77$267058e0$64475451@netcabo.pt> Frederic, Merci bien pour tes excellentes photos. And I envy you for working on the restoration team of the museum. Great work from what one can see from your photos. Pedro ----- Original Message ----- From: Liefferinckx Frederic To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Friday, March 14, 2003 9:14 PM Subject: [WWI] Nie23 > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 09:13:25 +1100 From: "Ross & Wendy Moorhouse" To: Subject: Re: FT-17 found in Afghanistan Message-ID: <001801c2ea76$f1f17950$63482dcb@future> http://www.militarygameronline.com/tanks/afghanistan/1111afghan.jpg The above shows a Renault FT-17 that was captured from the British Expeditionary Force in the Anglo-Afghan war of 1919. So it would seem that the ones found there today could be from this time period. Cheers Ross > -----Original Message----- > From: wwi@wwi-models.org [mailto:wwi@wwi-models.org] On Behalf Of Sean > Brian Kirby > Sent: Saturday, 15 March 2003 8:49 AM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: [WWI] Re: FT-17 found in Afganistan > > > --- EPMyles@aol.com wrote: > > I don't know if anyone has seen this before - it > > is a pretty interesting=20 > > find: > http://www.defendamerica.mil/articles/feb2003/a022703b.html > > > Whoa, man - I'd have to say that is strangely OT. > Well, now she'll have a good home. Good bit of > scrubbing to be done there, eh? > > > Sean > > ===== > www.pitpass.com > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Web Hosting - establish your business online > http://webhosting.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 17:56:52 -0500 From: Mike Fletcher To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Update of Nieuport pages Message-ID: <3E725E34.30114AE1@rogers.com> Wow - very cool and thanks for sharing. They really clarify the internal structure and the undercarriage (the spreader bar is very different in detail from the N.12). Mike Fl. Philippe Spriesterbach wrote: > > Hello Matt, Mark, Pedro and all listees, > > As I promised a few day ago for our Nieuport fans (and for my birthday - 47 > now), I added a "small" lot of new pictures from the Nieuport 23 on my site. > These pictures are taken by Fred during the restoration of this aircraft. > > Take a look on the "What's news" page or the "Real Aircrafts" page. I hope > that these pictures are interesting for you ;-) > > As one of you asked (Dave Fleming IIRC), I added small captions in the title > bar of the first Nieuport page. > > Kind regards to you all. > > Philippe Spriesterbach > > http://users.skynet.be/fa233213 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 18:33:06 -0500 From: "Mike Muth" To: Subject: Re: FT-17 found in Afganistan Message-ID: <008001c2ea82$111daa00$d6d6bacc@ptdprolog.net> Just when you think there are no "finds" regarding WWI equipment left hiding somewhere out there, something like this pops up. How Exciting! Mike Muth ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 00:39:06 +0100 From: "Grzegorz Mazurowski" To: Subject: Re: I'm back! - IMPORTANT for some of you! Message-ID: <00db01c2ea85$1a74b000$215dfea9@w6q1d3> Hi! Thanks all of you for the warm words. I'm more and more pi$$ed with that archive loss, as I'm still finding the new things I've lost... For example lots of OT materials scanned and send to me by all of you, or scanned by myslef during many sleepless nights (I don't mean any bed-in Windsock reading) for further use. And all that kit parts scanned for reviews... BTW, anybody got some kit scans from me lately? Maybe the OT Extratech Skoda 420mm howitzer? Matt? Bob? I don't remember... But my new comp is real "beauty and the fast" :-) Cheers! G. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 10:06:03 +1000 From: "Shane Weier" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Preserving Old Photos Message-ID: Lance says: >Does one wish to create a digital copy necessarily, or would an analog >(i.e. conventional photographic copy) be better? Do both. The digital copy is low quality but convenient and cheap, a proper copy (which *will* cost actual money if you do it right) done by an expert with a process camera offers more chance of capturing as much as possible of the remaining information and "atmosphere" Remember that the best scanner you are likely to access has a pathetic resolution in comparison to film. Which is not to say that you don't lose quality in the next generation print, just that the drop will be less than digital. All IMO of course >I would never alter the original, personally. Absolutely. Shane ******************************** My Strine is a Toad in Disguise ******************************** _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail now available on Australian mobile phones. Go to http://ninemsn.com.au/mobilecentral/hotmail_mobile.asp ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 17:20:59 -0800 (PST) From: MARK MILLER To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Preserving Old Photos Message-ID: <20030315012059.93151.qmail@web80312.mail.yahoo.com> Shane Your probably right about the digital copy being "low quality" if it is scanned on a cheap scanner. But, I believe that if you get it proffesionaly done on a high end drum scanner that you will get results that at least equals anything done with film. but, i'm not exactly an expert in the field ;-) best bet is to go to a reputable local imaging lab and ask Mark --- Shane Weier wrote: > Do both. The digital copy is low quality but convenient and > cheap, a proper copy (which *will* cost actual money if you do it right) done by an expert with a process camera offers more chance of capturing as much as possible of the remaining information and "atmosphere" > Remember that the best scanner you are likely to access has a > pathetic > resolution in comparison to film. Which is not to say that you > don't lose > quality in the next generation print, just that the drop will > be less than > digital. All IMO of course > > >I would never alter the original, personally. > > Absolutely. > > Shane > > ******************************** > > My Strine is a Toad in Disguise > > > ******************************** > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Hotmail now available on Australian mobile phones. Go to > http://ninemsn.com.au/mobilecentral/hotmail_mobile.asp > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 23:11:45 -0300 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Martin_H=E9ctor_AFFLITTO_ECHAG=DCE?= To: Subject: Holidays Message-ID: <012001c2ea98$3acf7c00$e026e818@fibertel.com.ar> Dear listees; My very wished holidays are starting tomorrow 15th March.Together with my wife we're going to the middle of nowhere,many kilometers away from any civilized place,even if there is a very light internet connection usable only by night when the electrical engine is on,I'll be off-line for 3 weeks.Cheers to you all;we'll see when I'm back home. Greetings... Mart韓 H閏tor Afflitto Echag黣 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 12:42:29 +1000 From: "Shane Weier" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Preserving Old Photos Message-ID: Mark says: >Your probably right about the digital copy being "low quality" >if it is scanned on a cheap scanner. >But, I believe that if you get it proffesionaly done on a high >end drum scanner that you will get results that at least equals >anything done with film. >but, i'm not exactly an expert in the field ;-) In this case I'm only repeating my brother's words. He works for Maxwell Photo Optics, importers and Australian agent for Nikon, and is their *digital* photo restoration guru and a fanatical devotee to all things digital. Can't say I know for sure he's right, but I can't see him recommending anything but digital unless forced to do so. Best bet is (as you say) take it to a proper imaging lab. They'll have a drum scanner and process cameras and should get the best out of the photo. If they have a scanner capable of 4-5000dpi or better you'll never tell the difference anyway! Shane ******************************** My Strine is a Toad in Disguise ******************************** _________________________________________________________________ MSN Instant Messenger now available on Australian mobile phones.燝o to http://ninemsn.com.au/mobilecentral/hotmail_messenger.asp ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 04:34:49 +0100 (CET) From: To: Subject: FT-17 found in Afganistan Message-ID: <4978.193.214.111.226.1047699289.squirrel@webmail.kpnqwest.no> Hei, OT items do show up in the strangest places... During WW2, a number of French WW1 tanks were brought to Norway by the German occupation forces for use as semi-mobile pill-boxes. At least one or two are supposed to be in museums in Northern Norway, maybe I should try to go there this summer. Just need to get all the images from Brussels sorted and scanned first, is it possible to upload directly to the galleries of real aircraft? To go a bit ot, outside the Defence Museum in Oslo is a 1943 vintage T-34 tank - it was captured a few years ago by the Scaninavian-Polish unit in what used to be Yugoslavia. The tanks crew decided to leave it in a hurry when they came up against forces equiped with todays weapons. It has been said that the tank was first offered to the Defence Research Institute - but they turned down the offer and forwarded in to the museum. Eders Knut Erik ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 5086 **********************