WWI Digest 5069 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Twobobs new policy - who wins and who loses by "Michael Kendix" 2) Re: Twobobs new policy - who wins and who loses by "Michael Kendix" 3) Re: Twobobs new policy - who wins and who loses by "NEIL EDDY" 4) Re: Twobobs new policy - who wins and who loses by 5) Ansaldo S.V.A. Question by "NEIL EDDY" 6) Re: Red's my colour by "Kenneth Hagerup" 7) Re: Pfalz Report by "NEIL EDDY" 8) Re: Twobobs new policy - who wins and who loses by 9) Re: Red's my colour by 10) Re: Pfalz Report by 11) Re: Twobobs new policy - who wins and who loses by "Michael Kendix" 12) Re: Pfalz Report by "NEIL EDDY" 13) Pfalz Report II by "NEIL EDDY" 14) Re: Woodsy Alien by Ken Schmitt 15) moskit's exhaust pipes for WW1 airplanes 1/72 scale by "ARSENY K (RIGA, LATVIA)" 16) Re: Red's my colour! by Clay W Fulcher 17) Re: moskit's exhaust pipes for WW1 airplanes 1/72 scale by "Matt Bittner" 18) Re: Ansaldo S.V.A. Question by "Mike Muth" 19) Re: Red's my colour by Clay W Fulcher 20) Re: Red's my colour! by 21) Re: Red's my colour by Zulis@aol.com 22) Re: Twobobs new policy - who wins and who loses by 23) RE: Hustad's Latest by "Hans Trauner" 24) Re: Ansaldo S.V.A. Question by "Steven Perry" 25) Re: Twobobs new policy - who wins and who loses by "Michael Kendix" 26) Re: Red's my colour! by MARK MILLER 27) Re: Red's my colour! by "Hans Trauner" 28) Re: Red's my colour by "Ray Boorman" 29) Re: Twobobs new policy - who wins and who loses by "Ray Boorman" 30) Re: Twobobs new policy - who wins and who loses by "Paul Schwartzkopf" 31) Re: Pfalz Report by "Pedro Soares" 32) ARNETTE'S pics2905 by driveher55@yahoo.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 09 Mar 2003 14:32:38 +0000 From: "Michael Kendix" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Twobobs new policy - who wins and who loses Message-ID: >From: >It amounts to little less than retail price maintenance - price fixing. > >The gist seems to be 'we want to protect the small hobby shop from the > >evil distributors, so we'll only sell to those who sell from shop >fronts >and charge what we say. No, they say: "Hobby shops are free to price these products using their individual retail pricing strategy." Which means that, yes, vendors with storefronts can charge any price they want but since they only sell to storefront vendors, prices, on average, must be greater because storefronts' costs are, on average, higher than those of pure "Discount" mail order businesses. > In the UK, they'd probably be open to an anti-competitive practices > >charge for openly stating such a policy (that you won't sell to people > >who charge less than your MRP). Can't beleive the US doesn't have > >similar laws . There are laws that prevent such pricing but they are not exactly doing that. It is certainly, what I would term "anti-competitive" since it deliberately excludes lower-cost vendors from the market. In sum, they are forcing a sort of "flexible" price floor: "flexible" in the sense that it is defined by the higher level of costs of storefront vendors compared to the lower costs of the "mail order only" vendors. Michael _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 09 Mar 2003 14:41:21 +0000 From: "Michael Kendix" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Twobobs new policy - who wins and who loses Message-ID: >From: "David & Robin" >Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2003 09:20:26 -0500 (EST) > >By not going through the distribution chain Don't understand what you mean by "Distribution chain" and how that relates, sorry, I'm not being sarchastic here. >I wonder how many smaller hobby shops will be unable or unwilling to >stock >or carry TwoBob's decals. In the end I suspect it will be >the very small storefront hobbyshops that TwoBob's is trying to >protect >who will lose out. All I know is that my local vendor, who is fairly small - (one store in the "chain", open evenings and weekends) is squarely behind this policy. He feels the "Discounters" are ruining his business and much prefers not to have to compete on price with these lower cost vendors. He's no worse off than before since he sells the product under the same condition as before and now faces less competition. He would love it if all vendors ceased to supply his non-store-front competitors. If you're saying that smaller stores might have a disadvantage compared to larger turnover stores, I agree but when was that not the case? Michael _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 01:42:37 +1100 From: "NEIL EDDY" To: Subject: Re: Twobobs new policy - who wins and who loses Message-ID: <003901c2e64a$2173c9c0$ca8386cb@default> Hi All; I agree with Mr Fleming on this issue; it has a hint of a price fixing attempt about it. Still I wonder how far they would go with this policy. Say Squadron approached them with an order for 30,000 sheets which they intended selling under the Twobobs recommended retail price, would they turn it down? Still down here Twobobs decals are about as rare as the proverbial hens teeth, so I doubt if any of us will lose any sleep about what the deaux Roberts get up to.... All the Best Neil E ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 09 Mar 2003 14:46:14 +0000 From: To: Subject: Re: Twobobs new policy - who wins and who loses Message-ID: <1047221174.3e6b53b60690c@netmail.pipex.net> Quoting "Stuart L. Malone" : > > As Dave stated, I haven't seen anything from TwoBobs for teeny-weenies > anyway. Do they produce anything for Duplo-scale? > They've done some 1/72 stuff - I've got the AV-8B sheet, sorry, late production Sopwith- Boeing, - it's all been current USAF/USN/USMC stuff. That is their subject area. The Harrier decals are the best, most detailled decals I have ever seen They do a lot in this market for 1/48th, and some 1/32. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 01:46:19 +1100 From: "NEIL EDDY" To: Subject: Ansaldo S.V.A. Question Message-ID: <004301c2e64a$a5ade2c0$ca8386cb@default> Hi All; Quickie question: SMER do a Ansaldo S.V.A. in 1/48; Do any listees have any comments as to the accuracy of this kit and what is needed to build it accurately? All the Best Neil E ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2003 08:45:47 -0800 From: "Kenneth Hagerup" To: Subject: Re: Red's my colour Message-ID: <004001c2e65b$56bc7940$7f3d1c43@mshome.net> > Subject: Re: Red's my colour! >From: http://www.thebicyclingguitarist.net/studies/colorphotos.htm The color in photograph looks like an unpainted Revell Dr1 in bare red plastic. Kenneth ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 01:51:43 +1100 From: "NEIL EDDY" To: Subject: Re: Pfalz Report Message-ID: <004d01c2e64b$66ef7520$ca8386cb@default> If this develops much further, I envisage a professional model circuit with various well finished kits circling the globe on the major tournament circuit, arriving at the airport to throngs of admiring fans. Also there will be seeded competitions, where will it end? drug testing for the builders? ;-) All the Best Neil E __________________________________ Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2003 00:19:30 -0000 From: "Pedro Soares" To: Subject: Message-ID: <006d01c2e5d1$8d6dbce0$06465451@netcabo.pt> Shane, Dave, Unfortunately no. I still haven't got it :-(. But there is a nother good competition coming up in September. So if Brent could send it to Dave, he'd enter it in Scotland and then he'd send it to me for me to enter it at Oporto in September.... If Brent, on the other hand has already mailed it to me, I'd forward it as soon as I get it to Dave and then Dave would send it abck to me again.... Brent, are you there, mate? Pedro ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 09 Mar 2003 14:52:15 +0000 From: To: Subject: Re: Twobobs new policy - who wins and who loses Message-ID: <1047221535.3e6b551f28fe3@netmail.pipex.net> Quoting NEIL EDDY : > Hi All; > > I agree with Mr Fleming on this issue; it has a hint of a price fixing > attempt about it. > Done, it has to be said, with the best intentions. The TwoBobs are good guys with the best interests of the hobby and their customers at heart - both have been around the modelling 'Net for a lot longer than TwoBobs has existed. > > Still down here Twobobs decals are about as rare as the proverbial hens > teeth, so I doubt if any of us will lose any sleep about what the deaux > Roberts get up to.... > I've ordered them direct from them on a couple of occasions (yes Shane, I too build flying primus stoves on occasion!). Great service - California to Scotland in about 7 days. Dave ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 09 Mar 2003 14:54:59 +0000 From: To: Subject: Re: Red's my colour Message-ID: <1047221699.3e6b55c308b02@netmail.pipex.net> Looking at their site: http://www.geocities.com/centuryimaging/index.html They are only 15 minutes from here - wonder what they would make of THAT F1 and THAT cowling? :-) dave ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 09 Mar 2003 15:02:30 +0000 From: To: Subject: Re: Pfalz Report Message-ID: <1047222150.3e6b5786efbb2@netmail.pipex.net> Quoting NEIL EDDY : > If this develops much further, I envisage a professional model circuit > with > various well finished kits circling the globe on the major tournament > circuit, arriving at the airport to throngs of admiring fans I can see it now........throngs of anorak clad chaps clutching copies on Windsock throng around in Terminal 4 at Heathrow, all eyes cast towards the arrivals gate. Curious on-lookers huddle behind pillars until one plucks up courage to ask "Who are you waiting for? Jennifer Lopez?" "No" whispers Anorak, "Steve Hustad's Freid GIIIa's coming for the IPMS Nats" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 09 Mar 2003 15:06:16 +0000 From: "Michael Kendix" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Twobobs new policy - who wins and who loses Message-ID: >From: "NEIL EDDY" >Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2003 09:43:08 -0500 (EST) > >Hi All; >Say Squadron approached them with an order for 30,000 sheets which they >intended selling under the Twobobs recommended retail price, would >they >turn it down? Don't Squadron have some "Storefront" business at their place in Texas? Thus, they could claim to be storefront. Michael _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 02:19:06 +1100 From: "NEIL EDDY" To: Subject: Re: Pfalz Report Message-ID: <00a801c2e64f$3a544000$ca8386cb@default> ROTFL! :-) Other comments: Modelling tournament commentator on Foxsports: "big news here today, one day before Model Expo 04, is that Weier's Halberstadt is out! It seems that its had a recurrence of that broken cabane strut problem that dogged it at that UK Nats earlier this year...this throws the competition wide open this year; it looks like Bittner's 1/48 scale Re8 will sweep all before it now"....... ;-) All the Best Neil E ---- Original Message ----- From: To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Monday, March 10, 2003 2:03 AM Subject: [WWI] Re: Pfalz Report > > Quoting NEIL EDDY : > > > If this develops much further, I envisage a professional model circuit > > with > > various well finished kits circling the globe on the major tournament > > circuit, arriving at the airport to throngs of admiring fans > > I can see it now........throngs of anorak clad chaps clutching copies on > Windsock throng around in Terminal 4 at Heathrow, all eyes cast towards the > arrivals gate. Curious on-lookers huddle behind pillars until one plucks up > courage to ask "Who are you waiting for? Jennifer Lopez?" > > "No" whispers Anorak, "Steve Hustad's Freid GIIIa's coming for the IPMS Nats" > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 02:25:57 +1100 From: "NEIL EDDY" To: Subject: Pfalz Report II Message-ID: <00ae01c2e650$2f13e3c0$ca8386cb@default> Hi All; I'm back from a very nice evening over dinner with Shane and Lorna at a local Indian place. Lots of good modelling conversation and good food that we all enjoyed. >From what they say my Pfalz IIIa was unplaced (as expected) but it was fun entering it. from what they said a Tamigawa Beaufighter won my category. I shall see the placings etc when I am back there tomorrow. I'm off to bed as it is the big swap and sell tomorrow; this means an early start for me as I don't want to miss any bargains (hopefully someone will have an Airfix HP42 for sale). Thanks everyone for the encouraging comments. Its been a great learning experience and I will enter this comp next year too with something else! All the Best Neil ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 09 Mar 2003 09:32:32 -0600 From: Ken Schmitt To: Subject: Re: Woodsy Alien Message-ID: Dave- > http://www.thebicyclingguitarist.net/studies/colorphotos.htm > > Opinions? Yes, Woody Allen's movie "Zelig". If not seen that, then Mark Miller's *excellent work*. This is more history chasing its tail. It may or may not be so, the craftsmanship is superb and it's too bad there wasn't color film in 1914-1918 *that was consistently used and perfected*. Color is conjectural unless supported by stated documents (plural). "...but the Scottish-based company Century Imaging has done a fantastic job restoring them and adding color." Rewind: "..restoring them" ?? uhhhhhhhhhh. It's not a restoration. it's colorization. this stuff gives me hives....however, the red looks swell. Ken ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2003 17:58:07 +0200 From: "ARSENY K (RIGA, LATVIA)" To: Multiplerecipientsoflist Subject: moskit's exhaust pipes for WW1 airplanes 1/72 scale Message-ID: <12616568836.20030309175807@btv.lv> 09.03.03*16:55*"moskit's exhaust pipes for WW1 airplanes 1/72 scale" Dear, Colleagues, I've got so called "insider's information" about forthcoming Moskito' plans. One of the company specialists told me that they start production of the 1/72 WW1 airplanes exhaust pipes line. First releases will cover mainly Fokker DVII and Albatros pipes which will be designed mainly for Roden kits (but I guess everyone to have their hands on the right place will solve the problem of suiting the set for other kits ;) Well, I hope these kind of news will make happy at least some of you, Colleagues! :))) All the best, Arseny Kardash Riga, Latvia ICQ #160254499 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2003 08:57:04 -0700 From: Clay W Fulcher To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Red's my colour! Message-ID: <20030309.085705.3036.0.mtngoat01@juno.com> Wow. I've seen these photos in B&W many times. What a difference to see MvR's Dr.1 in scarlet. Makes the times seem almost recent. Btw Dave, how on earth did you find this link with a name like that? --Clay On Sun, 9 Mar 2003 09:07:41 -0500 (EST) writes: > > http://www.thebicyclingguitarist.net/studies/colorphotos.htm > > Opinions? > > > > ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 09 Mar 2003 10:03:18 -0600 From: "Matt Bittner" To: "wwi@wwi-models.org" Subject: Re: moskit's exhaust pipes for WW1 airplanes 1/72 scale Message-ID: On Sun, 9 Mar 2003 10:56:24 -0500 (EST), ARSENY K (RIGA, LATVIA) wrote: > 09.03.03*16:55*"moskit's exhaust pipes for WW1 airplanes 1/72 scale" Sweet! Most awesome!! > First releases will cover mainly Fokker DVII and Albatros pipes which > will be designed mainly for Roden kits (but I guess everyone to have > their hands on the right place will solve the problem of suiting the > set for other kits ;) Definitely first logical choices. Makes a lot of sense. Folks, if you haven't seen Moskit exhausts, these are superb. I have a set in an Il-2 and a Yak-9, and talk about putting the kits "over the top". They're made of really thin metal and are hollow. Plus the color they are out of the "bubble" are perfect as is. Sure, they're a little pricey - I think the Il-2 set goes for US$5 or so - but talk about making the kit look fantastic. My next choice would be for Moskit to do pipes for the Gotha's. However, it will be interesting to see if they can come up with anything for the SPAD 7 and 13... Matt ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2003 11:05:32 -0500 From: "Mike Muth" To: Subject: Re: Ansaldo S.V.A. Question Message-ID: <005201c2e655$b6fae5e0$2506bacc@ptdprolog.net> Neil I built this one awhile ago. If I remember correctly, the interplane struts don't align correctly. You need to cut them to get the proper fit. Mike Muth ----- Original Message ----- From: NEIL EDDY To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2003 9:47 AM Subject: [WWI] Ansaldo S.V.A. Question > Hi All; > > Quickie question: > > SMER do a Ansaldo S.V.A. in 1/48; Do any listees have any comments as to the > accuracy of this kit and what is needed to build it accurately? > > All the Best > > Neil E > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2003 09:06:15 -0700 From: Clay W Fulcher To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Red's my colour Message-ID: <20030309.090701.3036.4.mtngoat01@juno.com> At least the tires are all nice and muddy! Clay On Sun, 9 Mar 2003 09:49:22 -0500 (EST) "Kenneth Hagerup" writes: > > Subject: Re: Red's my colour! > >From: > http://www.thebicyclingguitarist.net/studies/colorphotos.htm > > The color in photograph looks like an unpainted Revell Dr1 in bare > red > plastic. > > Kenneth ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 09 Mar 2003 16:20:26 +0000 From: To: Subject: Re: Red's my colour! Message-ID: <1047226826.3e6b69cac60ce@netmail.pipex.net> Quoting Clay W Fulcher : > Wow. I've seen these photos in B&W many times. What a difference to see > MvR's Dr.1 in scarlet. Makes the times seem almost recent. Btw Dave, how > on earth did you find this link with a name like that? > Oops, meant to say it was posted on the rec.models.scale Usenet group. dave ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 09 Mar 2003 11:28:01 -0500 From: Zulis@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Red's my colour Message-ID: <14E43ACC.6B4E2DFD.000121E7@aol.com> Clay writes: http://www.thebicyclingguitarist.net/studies/colorphotos.htm I view this as being under the category of "amusing, but certainly not historically meaningful". Same place where I would file digitally produced pics of Hitler without a moustache, 'A&E takes you inside Napoleon's vest to see what he was hiding there' and speculation about what was Marie Antoinette's favorite type of cake. For what it is worth, their red is way brighter and "healthier" looking than I visualize it. But fun, anyway. Dave Z (Dave #13) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 09 Mar 2003 16:49:48 +0000 From: To: Subject: Re: Twobobs new policy - who wins and who loses Message-ID: <1047228588.3e6b70ac689fe@netmail.pipex.net> May be of interest: http://disc.server.com/discussion.cgi? id=70715;article=78587;date_query=1047084965 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2003 18:04:25 +0100 From: "Hans Trauner" To: Subject: RE: Hustad's Latest Message-ID: <004f01c2e65d$f08091e0$3abd72d4@FRITZweb> Oh boy! When I had my basic instructions in metal working our instructor forced us to clean our workbench everyday twice. "Clean work only on a clean bench!" ....it took nearly 30 years for realising....He was right! Hans ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2003 12:02:27 -0500 From: "Steven Perry" To: Subject: Re: Ansaldo S.V.A. Question Message-ID: <002d01c2e65d$a9c98ae0$65a8a8c0@tampabay.rr.com> IIRC from discussions some years ago, the wing may be a bit off dimensionally and the U/C is a bit leggy. sp > Hi All; > > Quickie question: > > SMER do a Ansaldo S.V.A. in 1/48; Do any listees have any comments as to the > accuracy of this kit and what is needed to build it accurately? > > All the Best > > Neil E > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 09 Mar 2003 17:05:31 +0000 From: "Michael Kendix" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Twobobs new policy - who wins and who loses Message-ID: >From: >Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2003 11:51:21 -0500 (EST) > >May be of interest: > >http://disc.server.com/discussion.cgi? >id=70715;article=78587;date_query=1047084965 Interesting. Yes, but if they sold at the same price to everyone, this would not be an issue. That is not what their new policy is about. Their new policy is about their restriction of sales to one type of vendor: namely, storefront aka bricks & mortar establishments. By engaging in selling to storefront establishments only, they are able to maintain their 60% of MSRP rather than the 40% of MSRP they'd sell to a distributor. This means they'll sell less product but can charge a higher price. Bottom line here is that price obviously is higher on average with the benefit that storefront establishments are more likely to stay in business. So the consumer benefits by possibly having a storefront busines available to him and loses because he pays a higher price for the product. Michael _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2003 09:07:23 -0800 (PST) From: MARK MILLER To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Red's my colour! Message-ID: <20030309170723.12781.qmail@web80313.mail.yahoo.com> Ok... It's pretty cool and all. But, I'm not so keen on colorised stuff. it goes without saying that these images can't be relied on for color interpretation. like dave said... amusing ;-) But, what I realy hate is colorised movies!! Should be a crime. It presuposes that color is inherintly superior to BW. sorry, i don't think so. just leave it alone please mark --- dave.fleming@dial.pipex.com wrote: > > http://www.thebicyclingguitarist.net/studies/colorphotos.htm > > Opinions? > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2003 18:18:36 +0100 From: "Hans Trauner" To: Subject: Re: Red's my colour! Message-ID: <00b701c2e65f$eb59aec0$3abd72d4@FRITZweb> Not really new .... from the very beginning of photographing hand painted colourized versions were made. I only wonder when the first pic will be found in the net as being original. Hans ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2003 09:16:17 -0800 From: "Ray Boorman" To: Subject: Re: Red's my colour Message-ID: sheesh, what a chicken. He could have done a certain F1 Cowl picture instead ;) Ray Clay writes: http://www.thebicyclingguitarist.net/studies/colorphotos.htm I view this as being under the category of "amusing, but certainly not historically meaningful". Same place where I would file digitally produced pics of Hitler without a moustache, 'A&E takes you inside Napoleon's vest to see what he was hiding there' and speculation about what was Marie Antoinette's favorite type of cake. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2003 09:18:59 -0800 From: "Ray Boorman" To: Subject: Re: Twobobs new policy - who wins and who loses Message-ID: With more and more shops either going out of business or having to sell only real common items. I suspect this will cause TwoBobs to go out of business, or change there stance in 6 months or so. Sorry as far as I am concerned the laws of supply and demand will force them to change eventually. Other business's that have done this have much more name recognition and can get away with it. Two Bobs is well small time, so unless its a hobby not a business the greater sales on the internet will force them to change or go like the dinosaurs they are. Ray -----Original Message----- From: wwi@wwi-models.org [mailto:wwi@wwi-models.org]On Behalf Of Michael Kendix Sent: March 9, 2003 9:06 AM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [WWI] Re: Twobobs new policy - who wins and who loses ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2003 11:24:58 -0600 From: "Paul Schwartzkopf" To: Subject: Re: Twobobs new policy - who wins and who loses Message-ID: From: Dave Fleming > The gist seems to be 'we want to protect the small hobby shop from the evil > distributors, so we'll only sell to those who sell from shop fronts and charge > what we say. Many model clubs also order direct from distributors to give their members a break on price. Sometimes the people who do the ordering may tack on a slight "fee" for doing so. I can see where this would cut into the neighborhood hobby shop's income. I believe that MMD (Squadron) supposedly has the same rules, although I personally know of cases where they sell direct to clubs. I can't think of why they would disqualify e-tailers, unless some issues have come up in the past concerning the product or reputation of it by certain individuals. > Can't beleive the US doesn't have similar laws . Probably so. However, this is the land of Microsoft, Enron, WorldCom, and others. Who needs to follow laws? Paul ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2003 17:43:01 -0000 From: "Pedro Soares" To: Subject: Re: Pfalz Report Message-ID: <00ed01c2e663$54ea7ec0$ab465451@netcabo.pt> Also there > will be seeded competitions, where will it end? drug testing for the > builders? > ;-) > > All the Best > > Neil E I don't mind, I'm clean, but I don't know if Shane would pass the test, due to the hallucinogenic properties of toad pherormones..... Pedro > __________________________________ > Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2003 00:19:30 -0000 > From: "Pedro Soares" > To: > Subject: Message-ID: <006d01c2e5d1$8d6dbce0$06465451@netcabo.pt> > > Shane, Dave, > > Unfortunately no. I still haven't got it :-(. > > But there is a nother good competition coming up in September. So if Brent > could send it to Dave, he'd enter it in Scotland and then he'd send it to me > for me to enter it at Oporto in September.... > > If Brent, on the other hand has already mailed it to me, I'd forward it as > soon as I get it to Dave and then Dave would send it abck to me again.... > > Brent, are you there, mate? > > Pedro > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 08 Mar 2003 17:08:22 -1800 From: driveher55@yahoo.com To: , , Cc: , , Subject: ARNETTE'S pics2905 Message-ID: <000044cf28dd$00004b31$00007447@mx3.compuserve.com>




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