WWI Digest 5048 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Massie's OT Books by BRENT THEOBALD 2) Re: The Polish Mafia strikes again : Re: Personal Announcements by Karen Rychlewski 3) E.III Rigging was...Massie's OT Books by "Lance Krieg" 4) Nice Airfix Spad 7 on MM. by "Ross & Wendy Moorhouse" 5) Re: Rand McNally by Ken Schmitt 6) Re: Personal Announcements by "Steven Perry" 7) Re: Massie's OT Books by "Pedro Soares" 8) Lohner cowling question by Tom Plesha 9) Re: Shane's Albatroses by "Shane Weier" 10) Re: Personal Announcements by "Pedro Soares" 11) Re: Shane's Albatroses by "Michael Kendix" 12) Re: Shane's Albatroses by "Shane Weier" 13) Re: The Great Albatros Headj-Up by "Shane Weier" 14) RE: The Great Albatros Headj-Up by "Shane Weier" 15) RE: The Great Albatros Headj-Up by "Shane Weier" 16) Re: Shane's Albatroses (1) by "Shane Weier" 17) Re: Shane's Albatroses (2) by "Shane Weier" 18) Great triplane heads up (was Albatros Heads up) by "Shane Weier" 19) Re: Nieuport IV by "Shane Weier" 20) Re: Personal Announcements by "Shane Weier" 21) New Library Book...again by REwing@aol.com 22) Re: New Library Book...again by "Grzegorz Mazurowski" 23) Re: ot mod from OT by "Paul Wright" 24) Re: Personal Announcements by GRBroman@aol.com 25) avi files by "Greg Balzer" 26) Re: avi files by "Pedro Soares" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 15:34:43 -0500 From: BRENT THEOBALD To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Massie's OT Books Message-ID: <5a8bbf5a8bb6.5a8bb65a8bbf@icomcast.net> Hey Diego, I see these in 2nd hand book stores quite often. Would you like me to pick up a copy for you? OT content: Anyone have any clues to offer on how they rigged the Eduard Fokker E.III? I'm interested in monofiliment techniques. Thanks! Brent ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 15:36:49 -0500 From: Karen Rychlewski To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: The Polish Mafia strikes again : Re: Personal Announcements Message-ID: <3E5BD3E2.77D7CBBF@earthlink.net> Diego Ferneti wrote: > ... > > Ah! it's amusing. A Pole and an Argie trying to understand each other in > English... we may make a standing comedy act out of this, mon ami! :-) Ahhhhh...keep your day jobs, boys :-) Karen ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 14:49:03 -0600 From: "Lance Krieg" To: Subject: E.III Rigging was...Massie's OT Books Message-ID: Brent asks how folks: "...rigged the Eduard Fokker E.III?" Brent, mine was all done with monofilament and was actually very easy. Go straight through the wings at the attachment points, and use something sturdy for the kingposts. I recall knotting a loop, basically, and then lifting it to be supported by the pulleys CAed to the kingposts. The tension provided by stretching the line up and around the pulley meant that there was very little slack to take up or adjustments to make. I had more trouble with my recently-completed Albatros D.II. If you want more information, contact me off list and I'll send you my build notes. Of course, if you are talking about the 1/72 scale kit, all bets are off and I withdraw my offer... Lance ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 08:20:36 +1100 From: "Ross & Wendy Moorhouse" To: Subject: Nice Airfix Spad 7 on MM. Message-ID: <001301c2dd13$bd18ee40$824c2dcb@future> http://m2reviews.cnsi.net/reviews/w1/wentzelspad7.htm Cheers Ross ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 15:28:46 -0600 From: Ken Schmitt To: Subject: Re: Rand McNally Message-ID: > D. > I left my bear shirt at the cleaners. I have a whole closet full. You may borrow one of mine. Ken nr: The Digest, by Charles Hawtrey ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 16:39:50 -0500 From: "Steven Perry" To: Subject: Re: Personal Announcements Message-ID: <009301c2dd16$73001740$65a8a8c0@tampabay.rr.com> > Pedro, the admirer of the > > Supreme Opus Prima Winning Incomparable Trophies Honourably OK, now do one for Zeppelin. ;-) sp ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 21:41:20 -0000 From: "Pedro Soares" To: Subject: Re: Massie's OT Books Message-ID: <00c601c2dd16$a2e91b00$05465451@netcabo.pt> Brent, I haven't done the Eduard EIIII but I did the ICM EIV. Here's what I did: - I drilled right through the wings at the wire attachment points (4 on each side IIRC). - The pylons (upper and lower) were then drilled through at the top, prependicularly to the fuselage plan - I ran 4 strands of monofilament through the upper pylon. Each strand went then trough the uppersurface of one side of the wing / lower pylon / up through the undersurface of the other wing / back trough the hole in the pylon. - when all wires are passed through is just a question of pulling tight and securing with a drop of CA. Easy and most effective, IMHO. HTH Pedro ----- Original Message ----- From: BRENT THEOBALD To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2003 8:37 PM Subject: [WWI] Massie's OT Books > Hey Diego, > > I see these in 2nd hand book stores quite often. Would you like me to > pick up a copy for you? > > OT content: Anyone have any clues to offer on how they rigged the > Eduard Fokker E.III? I'm interested in monofiliment techniques. > > Thanks! > > Brent > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 13:41:20 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Plesha To: wwi Subject: Lohner cowling question Message-ID: <20030225214120.91746.qmail@web40310.mail.yahoo.com> Hi All- Anyone have any info on the Lohner B.II cowling fasteners. .. It appears to be a 4 piece upper cowling. I can find no info on how it was attached. .. I'm doing the Lohner with the cowling off, if I can ever finish it! TIA Tom __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 07:51:42 +1000 From: "Shane Weier" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Shane's Albatroses Message-ID: Michael says: >I don't understand about the cabane problem that you mentioned. Mine >fit >perfectly for the first time ever but maybe I did something wrong >or positioned them in the wrong holes or something? You built the D.I or D.II though didn't you? The cabanes on mine (a D.III) also fit perfectly first time - so long as you ream the wing holes to allow for the angle), but left the wing so far above the correct position that it looked clownish. Shane ******************************** My Strine is a Toad in Disguise ******************************** _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail now available on Australian mobile phones. Go to http://ninemsn.com.au/mobilecentral/hotmail_mobile.asp ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 21:58:19 -0000 From: "Pedro Soares" To: Subject: Re: Personal Announcements Message-ID: <00ee01c2dd19$01f130e0$05465451@netcabo.pt> ----- Original Message ----- > > OK, now do one for Zeppelin. > ;-) > sp Zee Ercraft Puffed Phantomly Late In Night a bit mordious, I know, but nevertheless quite sensicall, if I may say so... nl: Warchild - JT - skaiting away on the thin ice of the new day.....(What a great group of musicians these guys are......) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 21:59:39 +0000 From: "Michael Kendix" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Shane's Albatroses Message-ID: Shane: We're talking at cross-puposes. I was refering to the D.V/D.Va by Eduard whose cabanes fit perfectly. I think the Roden Oeffag D.II fit OK too. Michael >From: "Shane Weier" >Michael says: > > >I don't understand about the cabane problem that you mentioned. Mine > >fit > >perfectly for the first time ever but maybe I did something wrong > >or positioned them in the wrong holes or something? > >You built the D.I or D.II though didn't you? The cabanes on mine (a D.III) >also fit perfectly first time - so long as you ream the wing holes to allow >for the angle), but left the wing so far above the correct position that it >looked clownish. > _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 08:02:18 +1000 From: "Shane Weier" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Shane's Albatroses Message-ID: Michael says: > >Cost - 5 minutes labour > >I would suspect that is an underestimate for most poeple - I've done two of >their 3-part wings: you have to be fairly careful and it took several >sanding and puttying sequences to fill. Perhaps, and since scratchbuilds and vacs don't come with pins I'm so used to butt joining wings it'd not occur to me that this could be a problem. However, the sequence went like this... Cut out pieces and clean edges (not part of the 5 minutes, you have to do that anyway) True sand the mating joints - I use a sanding block to do this Drop 6" metal rule on edge of glass worksurface. Pull a length of tape and tape it in place Butt parts in place, discover that centre section needs chocking up at rear because it has a shorter chord Tear corner off business card - chock centre section Apply glue, hold for a minute, balance paint bottles on TE Do something else. In an hour brush Mr Surfacer on joins. Do something else. In another hour sand the joins, paint with Surfacer1000 and decide it'll do. The W.4 went quicker because I already knew about the centre section. Oh - I didn't engae Uggie Drive ;-) Shane ******************************** My Strine is a Toad in Disguise ******************************** _________________________________________________________________ MSN Instant Messenger now available on Australian mobile phones. Go to http://ninemsn.com.au/mobilecentral/hotmail_messenger.asp ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 08:10:21 +1000 From: "Shane Weier" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: The Great Albatros Headj-Up Message-ID: Ken says: >I'm confused (easily enough) Me two, err, me to, errr, me too! >In event, with 2 Albatroseruses available, and many more to follow, am >not sure I understand the strife. It's not strife mate, it's old grumpy guts playing devils advocate to seed a thread intended to thrash out the relative advantages and disadvantages of the various kits - and the fact that one man's preference may not be the same as anothers.. For my next trick, I'm going to claim that the Airfix Albatros D.V makes a better Nieuport than any kit Matt has in his stash Shane ******************************** My Strine is a Toad in Disguise ******************************** _________________________________________________________________ MSN Instant Messenger now available on Australian mobile phones. Go to http://ninemsn.com.au/mobilecentral/hotmail_messenger.asp ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 08:13:14 +1000 From: "Shane Weier" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: RE: The Great Albatros Headj-Up Message-ID: Neil asks: >Well I'm enjoying the strife, could we have some on the question >of Eduard or Roden Fokker Dr1 too. We already did that but we could do it again. Only someone else will have to do the stirring because I have only built the Eduard (crappy engine, dodgy wing ties, ammo box doesn't fit properly but otherwise it fits beautifully and looks great) Shane ******************************** My Strine is a Toad in Disguise ******************************** _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail now available on Australian mobile phones. Go to http://ninemsn.com.au/mobilecentral/hotmail_mobile.asp ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 08:16:20 +1000 From: "Shane Weier" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: RE: The Great Albatros Headj-Up Message-ID: 'ming says: > > Well I'm enjoying the strife, could we have some on the question > > of Eduard or Roden Fokker Dr1 too. > >Paging Mr Bittner! Paging Mr Bittner! Yes, well, he's properly qualified as stirrer, I'll send him the long handled spoon. Only - he can't argue with himself (or he can, and likely does, but we wouldn't hear it) so who's up to being the opposition? Shane ******************************** My Strine is a Toad in Disguise ******************************** _________________________________________________________________ MSN Instant Messenger now available on Australian mobile phones. Go to http://ninemsn.com.au/mobilecentral/hotmail_messenger.asp ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 08:18:24 +1000 From: "Shane Weier" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Shane's Albatroses (1) Message-ID: (This got rejected, so here we go in two parts) Matt says: > > joining the wings, puttying and sanding took no more than 5 > minutes. I >spend more modelling time scratching my ass, so that > particular job is >nothing but > > background noise. > >But that's five minutes you can spend on another aspect of the >model. Ah. What you don't get then is this. I actually enjoy *modelling*. You know, the bit between opening the box and saying "Aw, bugger it, I give up." I enjoy exercising whatever skills I have, solving problems and trying things I never tried before. Saving five minutes spent joining three parts doesn't compute - I'd *lose* five minutes of modelling. > > So the cost to me was 5 minutes easy modelling. The *benefit* was > > that I get the choice of central or offset radiator. > >We're talking the D.V, here, so this point is moot. The only >time something like that would come into play is if you did the >examples with the twin radiators, something Roden does *not* >supply (nor does Eduard, for that matter). That's tru so far as it goes. However the fact remains that they supply an option. Want a twin radiator wing - trim the surrounding centre section plastic off of one radiator and insert it in the other centre section. Another 10 minutes of enjoyment. > > Correcting *what* ? > >Like I said, the Roden D.V I have has a pebbly surface, so that >will need to be sanded. One lower wing has a molding "bump" that >needs to be sanded. The fuselage has a couple of these bumps. Okay, I don't have the D.V kit yet. The pebbly finish is common to all their kits and may well be because they use spark erosion to produce the moulds. With my eyesight I tend to overlook it, but it *is* there. (end part 1) Shane _________________________________________________________________ MSN Instant Messenger now available on Australian mobile phones. Go to http://ninemsn.com.au/mobilecentral/hotmail_messenger.asp ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 08:19:07 +1000 From: "Shane Weier" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Shane's Albatroses (2) Message-ID: (start part 2) > > I had to alter the Eduard cabanes too (on a D.V) because like >everyone >who ever made a kit they get the bloody pins for teh upper > > wing in the wrong place on the struts > >Sorry to say, but from others I have talked to that have built >the Eduard D.V, you must have done something wrong. :-) Nobody >else had this problem. Mmmm. The cabanes and pins are in a single flat plane. The holes in the upper wing are at right angles to the lower surface. Like this ____________________________________ ____________________||_______________ // // // // // End of the cabane should be like... || // // // // // I don't recall them being that way, but you may be right. >There's one other aspect that should be fun. In order to use the >same lower wings that come with the other Roden Albatros, Roden >supplies a plug you put into the fuselage hole, then you add the >separate wings. Butt jointed. There is definitely a recipe for >disaster. So cook one and find out for sure? I butt joined the upper wing without problems. Not sure why the lower is so different >Please don't get me wrong, Roden is a great company and is doing >great things, but when it comes to comparing the two D.Vs (Roden >and Eduard) I think there is no comparison. Eduard wins hands >down. I draw your attention to the first couple of lines I wrote in my original email in this thread. The Eduard is a more sophisticated moulding, yes. But IMO the extra options, spare parts, more adventurous markings selection, elements of better detail and reasonably good fit (based on having built *both* myself) the Eduard isn't enough better to warrant my paying an extra A$8 ******************************** My Strine is a Toad in Disguise ******************************** _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail now available on Australian mobile phones. Go to http://ninemsn.com.au/mobilecentral/hotmail_mobile.asp ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 08:24:02 +1000 From: "Shane Weier" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Great triplane heads up (was Albatros Heads up) Message-ID: 'ming says: > > You're not getting me into this debate. I've already had my peace > >with both kits, and the results are in early last year's IM. > > >LOL! That's what I meant! > >And here it is: > >http://www.internetmodeler.com/2002/october/aviation/tripes/Dr1.htm That's all very well, but where's the fun in that? Imagine just taking Matt's word for it without sticking it up him for the rent! Shane ******************************** My Strine is a Toad in Disguise ******************************** >From: >Reply-To: wwi@wwi-models.org >To: Multiple recipients of list >Subject: [WWI] Re: The Great Albatros Headj-Up >Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 11:02:19 -0500 (EST) > >Quoting Matt Bittner : > > > > > > Paging Mr Bittner! Paging Mr Bittner! > > > >Dave _________________________________________________________________ MSN Instant Messenger now available on Australian mobile phones. Go to http://ninemsn.com.au/mobilecentral/hotmail_messenger.asp ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 08:26:10 +1000 From: "Shane Weier" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Nieuport IV Message-ID: Matt says: >Nieuport >Just thought you Ballon Scale lovers would like to know. Why? ;-) Shane ******************************** My Strine is a Toad in Disguise ******************************** _________________________________________________________________ MSN Instant Messenger now available on Australian mobile phones. Go to http://ninemsn.com.au/mobilecentral/hotmail_messenger.asp ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 08:38:32 +1000 From: "Shane Weier" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Personal Announcements Message-ID: Diego wants >a Naglo Not A Great Likelihood Of Success Shane ******************************** My Strine is a Toad in Disguise ******************************** _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail now available on Australian mobile phones. Go to http://ninemsn.com.au/mobilecentral/hotmail_mobile.asp ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 18:19:36 EST From: REwing@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: New Library Book...again Message-ID: <94.34c14808.2b8d5408@aol.com> --part1_94.34c14808.2b8d5408_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit OOPS!! fingers worked faster than the brain. Ray Boorman sent a copy of the Brandenburg D.I book by Flying Machines press to the library. Thank you, Ray, for your donation. It is greatly appreciated. ~Rick~ List Librarian --part1_94.34c14808.2b8d5408_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
  OOPS!!  fingers worked faster than the brain.  Ray Boorman=20= sent a copy of the Brandenburg D.I book by Flying Machines press to the libr= ary.  Thank you, Ray, for your donation.  It is greatly appreciate= d.

~Rick~
List Librarian

 --part1_94.34c14808.2b8d5408_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 00:35:05 +0100 From: "Grzegorz Mazurowski" To: Subject: Re: New Library Book...again Message-ID: <025d01c2dd26$86d818c0$0200a8c0@grzesiek> Hi! I'm on the List almost two years, but I don't know how the List Library works. How? TIA for answer! G. --------------r-e-k-l-a-m-a----------------- Tanie bilety lotnicze! http://samoloty.onet.pl ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 18:48:30 -0500 From: "Paul Wright" To: Subject: Re: ot mod from OT Message-ID: <009f01c2dd28$674e24c0$aeae66a6@user> There's a DH4 in the atrium of the Smithsonian Postal Museum across from Union Station in DC, Paul. Perhaps one of our industrious capitol area listees might get some pix for you? http://www.si.edu/postal/learnmore/dh4.html pj ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Schwartzkopf" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2003 12:26 PM Subject: [WWI] ot mod from OT > Does anyone have some suggestions on references, markings, etc., for DH-4's > as used in the post-war role of airmail carriers? I thought it might make a > good project for the old AMT DH-4 I have sitting around somewhere. > > Paul > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 18:59:23 EST From: GRBroman@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Personal Announcements Message-ID: <8.34b7153c.2b8d5d5b@aol.com> --part1_8.34b7153c.2b8d5d5b_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 2/25/2003 1:10:45 PM Central Standard Time, tbittners@sprintmail.com writes: > > > How'd they get it off the ground??!!?? > > The three tacos and one burrito. ;-) > Thank you Matt, for that visual.... Glen --part1_8.34b7153c.2b8d5d5b_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 2/25/2= 003 1:10:45 PM Central Standard Time, tbittners@sprintmail.com writes:



> How'd they get it off the ground??!!??

The three tacos and one burrito. ;-)


Thank you Matt, for that visual....
Glen --part1_8.34b7153c.2b8d5d5b_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 19:35:57 -0500 From: "Greg Balzer" To: Subject: avi files Message-ID: <000901c2dd2f$08045be0$45a44644@Greg> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01C2DD05.1E4BBC10 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi everyone, I've got an assignment due this week where I've got to add video and = sound files to a basic web site. My site already links to the Modeler's = Gallery at the wwi site, and I was wanting to add a video file of WWI = aircraft actually flying. Doesn't need to be anything too extensive. = SOOOOO..does anyone know of any of the sites that have avi files of WWI = aircraft that I can cut and paste into my basic site??? TIA, Greg Balzer ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01C2DD05.1E4BBC10 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi everyone,
I've got an assignment due this week = where I've got=20 to add video and sound files to a basic web site. My site already links = to the=20 Modeler's Gallery at the wwi site, and I was wanting to add a video = file of=20 WWI aircraft actually flying. Doesn't need to be anything too extensive. = SOOOOO..does anyone know of any of the sites that have avi files of WWI = aircraft=20 that I can cut and paste into my basic site???
TIA,
Greg = Balzer 
------=_NextPart_000_0006_01C2DD05.1E4BBC10-- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 00:42:23 -0000 From: "Pedro Soares" To: Subject: Re: avi files Message-ID: <005301c2dd2f$edd42560$05465451@netcabo.pt> Greg, IIRC someone was saying that there were dowloadable video files at the ORVIS (sp) site. Not sure about the rights to use them... think of this as just a pointer. Maybe the listee who raised this could help you more..... HTH Pedro ----- Original Message ----- From: Greg Balzer To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2003 12:36 AM Subject: [WWI] avi files > This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > > ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01C2DD05.1E4BBC10 > Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > Hi everyone, > I've got an assignment due this week where I've got to add video and = > sound files to a basic web site. My site already links to the Modeler's = > Gallery at the wwi site, and I was wanting to add a video file of WWI = > aircraft actually flying. Doesn't need to be anything too extensive. = > SOOOOO..does anyone know of any of the sites that have avi files of WWI = > aircraft that I can cut and paste into my basic site??? > TIA, > Greg Balzer > ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01C2DD05.1E4BBC10 > Content-Type: text/html; > charset="iso-8859-1" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > > > charset=3Diso-8859-1"> > > > > >
Hi everyone,
>
I've got an assignment due this week = > where I've got=20 > to add video and sound files to a basic web site. My site already links = > to the=20 > Modeler's Gallery at the wwi site, and I was wanting to add a video = > file of=20 > WWI aircraft actually flying. Doesn't need to be anything too extensive. = > > SOOOOO..does anyone know of any of the sites that have avi files of WWI = > aircraft=20 > that I can cut and paste into my basic site???
>
TIA,
>
Greg = > Balzer 
> > ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01C2DD05.1E4BBC10-- > ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 5048 **********************