WWI Digest 5011 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Curtiss H-16 by Mike Fletcher 2) Re: PET SCRAP WANTED by BRENT THEOBALD 3) Re: Aniline lived by the sea by Ken Schmitt 4) Re: call for PET SCRAP WANTED by "Mark Shannon" 5) Re: Curtiss H-16 by dave.fleming@dial.pipex.com 6) Re: I know nothing by Ken Schmitt 7) RE: Roden forthcoming by dave.fleming@dial.pipex.com 8) Re: Models up by "Fraser" 9) I've waited three days to post this! by dave.fleming@dial.pipex.com 10) RE: Brent's Explosive Vehicles was Sad day for modelers Part 3 by John_Impenna@hyperion.com 11) Re: I've waited three days to post this! by "D Charles" 12) Re: Thanks Everyone! by "Shane Weier" 13) Re: dye trying by "Shane Weier" 14) RE: Happy End! by Zulis@aol.com 15) Re: Thanks Everyone! by dave.fleming@dial.pipex.com 16) Nieuport tale by "Pedro Soares" 17) Re: Happy End! by Steve Cox 18) RE: Happy End! by dave.fleming@dial.pipex.com 19) Re: dye trying by xtv16@dial.pipex.com 20) Re: Nieuport tale by "Lance Krieg" 21) Re: Nieuport tale by "Pedro Soares" 22) Re: Thanks Everyone! by BRENT THEOBALD 23) RE: Happy End! by SSH 24) Re: Happy End! by "Carlos Carreira" 25) Re: Nieuport tale by "Mike Muth" 26) RE: Happy End! by "Carlos Carreira" 27) Re: Nieuport tale by Mike Fletcher 28) THANKS by Joseph Mobutu Sese-Seko 29) Re: Nieuport tale by "Pedro Soares" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 14:00:08 -0500 From: Mike Fletcher To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Curtiss H-16 Message-ID: <3E4BEB38.6985604D@rogers.com> The July 1st 1918 edition of 'Aviation' has side and front views of the H-12 though I am not entirely convinced on their shape of the cockpit area. No dimensions are provided however. The H-16 was well illustrated in the Curtiss factory handbook on the shipping and assembly of that type, and includes cockpit details, crate details and even a drawing on how to lift it from the crate (where it rests at a 60 degree angle) Mike Fl. Lance Krieg wrote: > > Bob and Michael discuss this plane viz-a-viz the Felixstowe F.2A: > > Yes one could easily build an H-16 from the Felixstowe, though you need > to replace the engines and several other details as Bob points out. > > And Bob, there is a fair amount of information on H-12s available, > though I have not seen a modern set of GAs. I suspect that is what a > guy in your line of work would like to have... WWIAero has the best > stuff, IIRC, without tracking it down through the Navy or the US > Archives. > > Lance ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 13:12:46 -0600 From: BRENT THEOBALD To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: PET SCRAP WANTED Message-ID: Howdy! They don't realize we have styrene lying about. Not polyethylene - PET (I think). List chemist? Later! Brent ----- Original Message ----- From: MARK MILLER Date: Thursday, February 13, 2003 12:45 pm Subject: [WWI] Re: PET SCRAP WANTED > Now how could anybody get the idea that the subscribers to THIS > list have a lot of junk plastic laying around ;-) > > Mark > > "We are a leading plastic scrap importer in China. With own > reprocessing facilities, import license, we are buying large > quantity of plastic scrap, " > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 13:34:58 -0600 From: Ken Schmitt To: Subject: Re: Aniline lived by the sea Message-ID: Deigo "don't-take-your-love-to-town" fades: > In my teens, I once tried to dye some jeans black, but something must have > been wrong, as later my legs were dyed black as well. So it ended my heavy > metal phase. So you tie-dyed yourself, as well. So did I (did exactly this same thing). Youth is wasted on the young. -Kenny S ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 13:36:13 -0600 From: "Mark Shannon" To: Subject: Re: call for PET SCRAP WANTED Message-ID: PET is Poly Ethylene Terphthalate. It is a polyester. Terphthalate, besides being the root word with the longest string of consonants in the English language, is a benzene ring with two -CO2- (Carboxylic acid function) groups arranged on opposite corners (Benzene is a flat, six-carbon ring. Draw a hexagon, number the angles. Terphthalate is 'substituted' on the 1 and 4 positions.) PET is used for plastic soda bottles because it is totally harmless, has nothing that can dissolve out of it into the drink, and prevents gas exchange (polyethylene is used in milk bottles, but it will allow carbon dioxide and oxygen through the plastic - not a problem in the short shelf life for fresh milk) Other Phthalates have been in the news in recent months - the one with the two carboxylate groups on adjacent carbons (1,2 substituted) is Phthalic acid - its derivatives with eight carbons in an 'ester' chain are typically used in PolyVinyl Chloride plastics to make them 'flexible' (auto 'vinyl' parts, plastic swimming pools, etc.). This type of flexible PVC is used in medical IV bags, and some are questioning whether it should be. The "dioctyl phthalate plasticizer" is known to leach out into the product, and doctors and health researchers are split as to whether that is a risk. The problem is that there is nothing that quite does the job as well. Recycled pop-bottles make excellent feedstock for things like paintbrush bristles, clothing polyester fiber, polyester fiberfill for pillows and quilts, etc. It is one of the best recyclable plastics. Polyethylene and polypropylene are next, though the tend to 'scorch' in reprocessing. PVC is almost totally non-recyclable. .Mark. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 19:37:42 +0000 From: dave.fleming@dial.pipex.com To: Subject: Re: Curtiss H-16 Message-ID: <1045165062.3e4bf40665e65@netmail.pipex.net> Quoting Matt Bittner : > > Can anyone provide me with references for the Curtiss H-16? It's > semi-on > topic, as it was first flown at the end of the war. TIA! > > Datafile on the Felixstowe F2 has information on the H-16 - as Bob etc have said, it's pretty much the same as an F2A - the RNAS ones even have the same engines, RR Eagles (USN ones had Libertys). To answer Michael's question, the F3 was a larger aircraft, as was the F5 dave ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 13:39:44 -0600 From: Ken Schmitt To: Subject: Re: I know nothing Message-ID: Diego notes: > Do you recall that scene of "The Great Escape" when Steve McQueen acquires a > German motorcycle? Hold on thur Hoss! That thur's a Triumph 650! Painted, Zundapp, like. Check out the rocker-box covers. Dead give away. So is the heat sink slung under the steering head. Stuff lak'at. Steve wouldn't have nuthin' but the best! -Sgt, Schultz ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 19:54:15 +0000 From: dave.fleming@dial.pipex.com To: Subject: RE: Roden forthcoming Message-ID: <1045166055.3e4bf7e7ac0c1@netmail.pipex.net> Quoting grzegorz_mazurowski@poczta.onet.pl: > --_Part_0u8y2r.1h3k6k=_528029.ybedol > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit > > Two things: > I will be even more PC-10 year than we expected. I feel some kind of > conspiracy here. My unofficial sources all give one name involved: > "Fleming". > LOL! But explain why my workbench has 3x Albatros, 4x Fokker and 2 Pfalz stacked up in the to do pile (all Roden except one).....Actually, Neil can explain that! > Second: what to the hell Roden will do with that Parabellum guns on that > sprue with engines in Fokkers and Albies I still hope for Hannover! > > Another idea! One small sprue of the Staaken kit in every Roden kit. If > you buy the whole line, you'll be able to build Staaken!!! Or Staaken in the German kits and V/1500 in the British! dave ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 21:18:17 +0100 From: "Fraser" To: Subject: Re: Models up Message-ID: <000001c2d39d$15cd56a0$fe78a8c0@pc145681> Cheers Carlos - and the links are, I think, Okay now Fraser, > > Very nice models, I liked very much the streaking on the > Dr-1. I couldn't get into the first two photos of the Snipe. > > Regards, > Carlos ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 20:33:35 +0000 From: dave.fleming@dial.pipex.com To: Subject: I've waited three days to post this! Message-ID: <1045168415.3e4c011fb65a1@netmail.pipex.net> Several days ago, Nordic Neil spoke of his: "Badger Compressor" had I been around, I would have replied either: "Can you get that at Ikea? Normally, I find the blood messes up my vice" or "In the UK, we call them tractors" Ahh, that's better! Dave Fleming ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 15:32:54 -0500 From: John_Impenna@hyperion.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: RE: Brent's Explosive Vehicles was Sad day for modelers Part 3 Message-ID: D writes>> D.<< Hey D, Be careful.....Vinnie is my cousin.......BADA BING!! Any other Listees on Long Island?? we can have a real-time "Gathering" when Brent is out here! Regards, John ************************************************************************ If you received this e-mail in error please delete it and notify the sender as soon as possible. The contents of this e-mail may be confidential and the unauthorized use, copying, or dissemination of it and any attachments to it, is prohibited. Internet communications are not secure and Hyperion does not, therefore, accept legal responsibility for the contents of this message nor for any damage caused by viruses. The views expressed here do not necessarily represent those of Hyperion. For more information about Hyperion, please visit our Web site at www.hyperion.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 06:54:51 +1000 From: "D Charles" To: Subject: Re: I've waited three days to post this! Message-ID: <005501c2d3a2$282f33e0$02118aca@home7fe25ucsyf> If you start compressing from the mouth end you get an implosion and smaller mess. Works for cane toads. David > "Badger Compressor" "Can you get that at Ikea? Normally, I find the blood messes up my vice" > or > "In the UK, we call them tractors" > Ahh, that's better! > Dave Fleming ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 07:47:27 +1000 From: "Shane Weier" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Thanks Everyone! Message-ID: Neil says: >Hopefully there will be more >pictures of the next stage soon (thinks...must complete next stage > >soon...). For some reason I couldn't open the Pfalzie pics at all. Might have to go back and try again.... >Shane reveals his real identity..... > >I always thought he was from a Banana Republic ;- ) LOL - most Australian Bananas are grown in NSW, so it's Ross who should be the banana bender. Trouble is that we got the nickname from the perfidious cockroaches who have problems with geography (being next to Victoria for example) >(Australia 3 D England 1..... ;- ) We're slipping. It was 4-1 in cricket and tennis Shane (there - is there anyone I haven't upset? 'ming? Should I mention Ireland?) ******************************** My Strine is a Toad in Disguise ******************************** _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail now available on Australian mobile phones. Go to http://ninemsn.com.au/mobilecentral/hotmail_mobile.asp ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 07:50:48 +1000 From: "Shane Weier" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: dye trying Message-ID: D says: >In my teens, I once tried to dye some jeans black, but something must have >been wrong, as later my legs were dyed black as well. So it ended my heavy >metal phase. Try again. Send a pair to Legs Pearson. The result should be.....interesting Shane ******************************** My Strine is a Toad in Disguise ******************************** _________________________________________________________________ MSN Instant Messenger now available on Australian mobile phones. Go to http://ninemsn.com.au/mobilecentral/hotmail_messenger.asp ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 17:06:47 EST From: Zulis@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: RE: Happy End! Message-ID: <6d.9f9bba4.2b7d70f7@aol.com> --part1_6d.9f9bba4.2b7d70f7_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit dfernet0@rosario.gov.ar writes: > http://freespace.virgin.net/giants/ needed I think Diego is flirting with the list engine bumping him as a purveyor of porn.... :-) Dave --part1_6d.9f9bba4.2b7d70f7_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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--part1_6d.9f9bba4.2b7d70f7_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 22:46:41 +0000 From: dave.fleming@dial.pipex.com To: Subject: Re: Thanks Everyone! Message-ID: <1045176401.3e4c20511f8b0@netmail.pipex.net> Quoting Shane Weier : > >(Australia 3 D England 1..... ;- ) > > We're slipping. It was 4-1 in cricket and tennis > > Shane > > (there - is there anyone I haven't upset? 'ming? Should I mention > Ireland?) > Ach, it was only a friendly! Anyway, I'm being a pretend Aussie for the duration of the Cricket WC 'cos we didn't qualify this time. Dave 'Ming Curling! Now there's a sport we're good at! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 22:48:27 -0000 From: "Pedro Soares" To: Subject: Nieuport tale Message-ID: <001101c2d3b2$05fcfae0$e9465451@netcabo.pt> Calling out all Nieup Experts: I am under the impression that I've read somewhere that the rudder of Nieuport aircraft only had that N (serial below) marking on the port side (when it existed, cause sometimes it was just plain tricoleur). Am I right or dreaming? TIA Pedro ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 22:45:49 +0000 From: Steve Cox To: Subject: Re: Happy End! Message-ID: I have one on top of the bookcase beckoning to me . . . It's a Contrail kit Clay. Staaken was bigger than than the HP's and the Murometz regards Steve =========================================== steve@oldglebe.freeserve.co.uk http://www.oldglebe.freeserve.co.uk/steveshome.html http://www.bramptonscalemodelclub.fsnet.co.uk If I didn't spend so much time on line ‹‹ I'd get some models finished ================ >Wasn't the Staaken the largest bomber of WWI? Or was the 0/400? Or maybe >the Muromets? >Carlos, who made this kit again? 1/72? I must have one for my growing >collection of unbuilts! >--Clay > From: "Carlos Carreira" > Reply-To: wwi@wwi-models.org > Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 08:27:45 -0500 (EST) > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: [WWI] Happy End! > > Let me share my joy with you: Zeppelin Staaken finaly > arrived, after almost three weeks at the duties, when I was > almost hopeless! > > My first impressions: well, it is... BIG! And buildable, I > think. Still to compare with plans, rib detail is engraved, > but I think it is better to work than heavy proeminent ribs, > like in Airfix 0/400. Ridiculous injected props and struts. > > Staaken builders, show up! Will I be just the third...? > > Carlos > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 22:50:13 +0000 From: dave.fleming@dial.pipex.com To: Subject: RE: Happy End! Message-ID: <1045176613.3e4c2125a7377@netmail.pipex.net> Quoting Diego Ferneti : > > Maybe this is the push that http://freespace.virgin.net/wwi.giants/ > needed > to start getting updates! Hopefully to be resurrected soon, under the care of the 'other' cookups (Can we have a 'Clay' cook up?) I've got the updates, I've done most of the formatting, but trying to teach yourself HTML is fun! Decided Front Page Express was just too limiting! BTW, anyone know good freeware for making thumbnails? Dave ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 22:52:18 +0000 From: xtv16@dial.pipex.com To: Subject: Re: dye trying Message-ID: <1045176738.3e4c21a2b61df@netmail.pipex.net> Quoting Shane & Lorna Jenkins : > > So D. tell me > > What do you do for money, honey, how do you get your > kicks.................................. > > Mistress Lorna > Probably Givin' the Dog a bone Dave 'Ming School of obscure 80s lyrical references ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 16:58:19 -0600 From: "Lance Krieg" To: Subject: Re: Nieuport tale Message-ID: Pedro wonders if: "...the rudder of Nieuport aircraft only had that N (serial below) marking on the port side..." The "N" and the weight information were on the port only, but I think the serial alone also appeared on the right side, at least some of the time. I should shut up and let the real Nieuport experts answer, but since I was online anyway, and am picturing Pedro sitting there with his decals poised above the water... Lance ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 23:09:59 -0000 From: "Pedro Soares" To: Subject: Re: Nieuport tale Message-ID: <006001c2d3b5$082e7980$e9465451@netcabo.pt> Thanks, Sir Lance, thanks a Lot! (Ok, Ok, I'll send Pedor away.... raus, you fool....out, out out.....) > The "N" and the weight information were on the port only, but I think > the serial alone also appeared on the right side, at least some of the > time. Ah, so I wasn't dreaming after all.... > > I should shut up and let the real Nieuport experts answer, but since I > was online anyway, and am picturing Pedro sitting there with his decals > poised above the water... Lance, you have a crystal ball? ;-) Um abraço, mon vieux Pedro > > Lance ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 17:09:28 -0600 From: BRENT THEOBALD To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Thanks Everyone! Message-ID: Howdy! > Curling! Now there's a sport we're good at! What's that? Some sort of drinking game? :-) I know, it's shuffleboard on ice. Desperately searching for OT content.... Uh, still going to read the Ed Nieuport biography. Lots of good pics of the N.4 in there. It looks tiny in the pictures. (Whew! Did it! Well, almost OT.) Let's have more discussion on Central Powers ground attack shall we? For example, what if Junkers and Halberstadt had access to GE jet engine technology? Allan is going to smack us pretty soon... Later! Brent ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 18:12:29 -0500 From: SSH To: Subject: RE: Happy End! Message-ID: <20030213231425.728A846409E@mail.mailsnare.net> >BTW, anyone know good freeware for making thumbnails? ImageMagick see http://www.imagemagick.org/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 23:23:28 -0000 From: "Carlos Carreira" To: Subject: Re: Happy End! Message-ID: <01c101c2d3b6$ea56c960$6901a8c0@duron> Clay, Some figures: Staaken: 41m span, 22m lenght; Muromets: 28m span, 17,1 lenght; 0/400: 30,5m span, 19m lenght; V/1500: 38,4 span, 19m lenght; Boeing B-17: 31.6m span, 22.8m lenght; Boeing B-29: 43.3m span, 30.1m lenght. As I said, it is BIG! The kit is an old Contrail vacform, dating from 1979. But I'm sure Roden will make it someday. Cheers, Carlos ----- Original Message ----- From: "Clay W Fulcher" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2003 2:40 PM Subject: [WWI] Re: Happy End! > Wasn't the Staaken the largest bomber of WWI? Or was the 0/400? Or maybe > the Muromets? > > Carlos, who made this kit again? 1/72? I must have one for my growing > collection of unbuilts! > > --Clay > > On Thu, 13 Feb 2003 08:27:46 -0500 (EST) "Carlos Carreira" > writes: > > Let me share my joy with you: Zeppelin Staaken finaly > > arrived, after almost three weeks at the duties, when I was > > almost hopeless! > > > > My first impressions: well, it is... BIG! And buildable, I > > think. Still to compare with plans, rib detail is engraved, > > but I think it is better to work than heavy proeminent ribs, > > like in Airfix 0/400. Ridiculous injected props and struts. > > > > Staaken builders, show up! Will I be just the third...? > > > > Carlos > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ ____ > Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today > Only $9.95 per month! > Visit www.juno.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 18:28:38 -0500 From: "Mike Muth" To: Subject: Re: Nieuport tale Message-ID: <01ed01c2d3b7$a3793220$d547bacc@ptdprolog.net> Can't imagine no one weighing in on this one. I seem to recall that the "N" appeared only on one side some time but maybe not all the time. hth...but I doubt it. Mike Muth > Calling out all Nieup Experts: > > I am under the impression that I've read somewhere that the rudder of > Nieuport aircraft only had that N (serial below) marking on the port side > (when it existed, cause sometimes it was just plain tricoleur). Am I right > or dreaming? > > TIA > > Pedro > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 23:36:40 -0000 From: "Carlos Carreira" To: Subject: RE: Happy End! Message-ID: <01ef01c2d3b8$c2577570$6901a8c0@duron> Pedro challenged: > Next time we meet at the park, please be so kind as to bring your second > with you. and I'll even let you chose weapons.... Ok. My Albatros against your Nieuport. But wait! You're decaling, I'm sanding! Carlos ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 18:34:20 -0500 From: Mike Fletcher To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Nieuport tale Message-ID: <3E4C2B7C.BC19BD3@rogers.com> It will depend on the specific machine - but for the period of your machine on the left side of the rudder there should be: N 1234 charge utile 120k combustible 65k and just the number on the opposite side. The K's and the text are smaller than the 120 and 65 but specific proportions vary as well. The font used is unusual and is a serif font with heavy verticals on many letters. Machines that had been repainted (or damaged) may have just the tri-colour or have a simplified form of the above, usually omitting the weight info. 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Thanks Pedro ----- Original Message ----- From: Mike Fletcher To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2003 11:39 PM Subject: [WWI] Re: Nieuport tale > It will depend on the specific machine - but for the period of your > machine on the left side of the rudder there should be: > > N > 1234 > > charge utile > 120k > > combustible > 65k > > and just the number on the opposite side. > The K's and the text are smaller than the 120 and 65 but specific > proportions vary as well. > The font used is unusual and is a serif font with heavy verticals > on many letters. > > Machines that had been repainted (or damaged) may have just the > tri-colour or have a simplified form of the above, usually omitting > the weight info. > > Mike Fl. > > Pedro Soares wrote: > > > > Calling out all Nieup Experts: > > > > I am under the impression that I've read somewhere that the rudder of > > Nieuport aircraft only had that N (serial below) marking on the port side > > (when it existed, cause sometimes it was just plain tricoleur). Am I right > > or dreaming? > > > > TIA > > > > Pedro ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 5011 **********************