WWI Digest 4990 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) RE: Amodel's Nieuport IV by "Shane Weier" 2) RE: Roden Oeffad D.III blow out/ Was: Date for posting by "Shane Weier" 3) RE: Amodel's Nieuport IV by dave.fleming@dial.pipex.com 4) RE: Amodel's Nieuport IV by "Lance Krieg" 5) Re: Future in Portugal by "Shane Weier" 6) RE: Amodel's Nieuport IV by dave.fleming@dial.pipex.com 7) DC WWI Folks by janah@att.net 8) Re: DWC - Pics by pfalzdvii@att.net 9) RE: Roden Oeffad D.III blow out/ Was: Date for posting the New "old by "Shane Weier" 10) Re: DC WWI Folks by "Michael Kendix" 11) RE: Roden Oeffad D.III blow out/ Was: Date for posting the New "old by "Shane Weier" 12) RE: Roden Oeffad D.III blow out/ Was: Date for posting the New "old by "Ross & Wendy Moorhouse" 13) RE: Roden Oeffad D.III blow out/ Was: Date for posting the New "old by "Shane Weier" 14) RE: Roden Oeffad D.III blow out/ Was: Date for posting the New "old by "Ross & Wendy Moorhouse" 15) RE: Roden Oeffad D.III blow out/ Was: Date for posting the New "old by "Pedro Soares" 16) Re: brush it by "Bob Laskodi" 17) RE: Roden Oeffad D.III blow out/ Was: Date for posting the New "old by "Pedro Soares" 18) Re: DC WWI Folks by "Matt Bittner" 19) Re: DC WWI Folks by "Pedro Soares" 20) Re: DC WWI Folks by "Matt Bittner" 21) Re: Date for posting the New "old kits" list by Clay W Fulcher 22) RE: Roden Oeffad D.III blow out/ Was: Date for posting the New "old by "Shane Weier" 23) RE: Roden Oeffad D.III blow out/ Was: Date for posting the New "old by "Shane Weier" 24) Re: Date for posting the New "old kits" list by "Shane Weier" 25) Re: Date for posting the New "old kits" list by Clay W Fulcher 26) Re: Date for posting the New "old kits" list by Clay W Fulcher 27) Date for posting the New "old kits" list by Phil Bytheway 28) Re: Date for posting the New "old kits" list by "Shane Weier" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 07 Feb 2003 07:37:10 +1000 From: "Shane Weier" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: RE: Amodel's Nieuport IV Message-ID: 'ming >One point for those who have it - Amodel are usually decsribed >as 'limited >run' - does the kit look like a limited one? Definitely not. But then some people define anything not made by Taigawajimi as short run. FWIW anyone who moulds struts as finely as Roden is IMO not making limited run kits. Shane _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 07 Feb 2003 07:47:28 +1000 From: "Shane Weier" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: RE: Roden Oeffad D.III blow out/ Was: Date for posting Message-ID: Pedro, to Michael, > > I recall no such conversation!!!:) > >Maybe it was Shane.... ;-) Probably. Mine now has lower wings, Spandaus, rigging holes and painted but un-attached struts. No files, almost no putty. But - mine wasn't an Oeffag D.III and maybe the nose cap is a tougher ask than the Albies nose ring OTOH I *did* go a bit nuts with the weathering - had a wash get kinda heavy - so the B&W aircraft now looks like the "before" football jersey in a laundry detergent ad. Shane ******************************** My Strine is a Toad in Disguise ******************************** _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Feb 2003 21:58:26 +0000 From: dave.fleming@dial.pipex.com To: Subject: RE: Amodel's Nieuport IV Message-ID: <1044568706.3e42da8292933@netmail.pipex.net> Quoting Shane Weier : > does the kit look like a limited one? > > Definitely not. But then some people define anything not made by > Taigawajimi > as short run. > > FWIW anyone who moulds struts as finely as Roden is IMO not making > limited > run kits. Cheers Shane, looks like Amodel source their moulds from various places, cos' some of their stuff is definitely pretty crude. Either that, or they have climbed a steep learning curve. Now to get one! Dave nl - almost OT - Led Zeppelin ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Feb 2003 16:01:24 -0600 From: "Lance Krieg" To: Subject: RE: Amodel's Nieuport IV Message-ID: Various people have noted the size of the wheels on this early Nieuport, most notably the estimable Mr. Weier: "...the wheels are 7mm diameter including tyres" One possibility is the etched brass available to model railroaders, perhaps? Can one cut down a 10mm set of spokes for use with alternative tires? Or start tying your own! That'll keep you focused for a while... Lance ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 07 Feb 2003 08:13:08 +1000 From: "Shane Weier" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Future in Portugal Message-ID: Diego says: >You don't wanna know about "criadillas"! I bet the ex-bulls do Shane ******************************** My Strine is a Toad in Disguise ******************************** _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Feb 2003 22:14:07 +0000 From: dave.fleming@dial.pipex.com To: Subject: RE: Amodel's Nieuport IV Message-ID: <1044569647.3e42de2f5535e@netmail.pipex.net> Quoting Lance Krieg : > > One possibility is the etched brass available to model railroaders, > perhaps? Can one cut down a 10mm set of spokes for use with alternative > tires? > I tried that once with an (I think) Airwaves set. Cut out the centre of the wheel & the outer ring on the etched one. Then tried to cut down the spokes to fit inside the plastic wheel. Oh that was fun. Then I discovered Fotocut wheels! Dave Fleming ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Feb 2003 22:14:22 +0000 From: janah@att.net To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: DC WWI Folks Message-ID: <3E3088A000632081@mta1.wss.scd.yahoo.com> (added by postmaster@mail.san.yahoo.com) Hi DC WWI Folks, I will be attending a conference in downtown Washinton next week and wanted to see if any of you would like to have a drink and some "airplane chat" as my wife describes it. Let me know off line. Regards, John Cyg. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Feb 2003 22:16:41 +0000 From: pfalzdvii@att.net To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: DWC - Pics Message-ID: <3E3088A000632590@mta1.wss.scd.yahoo.com> (added by postmaster@mail.san.yahoo.com) I concur. The Austrian Albies had a re designed lower wing, and NO wing failure problems,. they also had better engines, more powerful. The Austrian Albatros was sturdier and faster, the only (relative)weakness was the Austrian MG's. Merrill Your Madness May Vary > Oeffag D.III was reportedly better than the German D.III and D.V/Va > > Bob > > ---------- > >From: Mike Fletcher > > > The Nieuport-Macchi N.17 was better built than the French examples at > > least according to the Germans. I haven't read anything that said if it > > flew better or not though. > > > > Mike Fl. > > > > Crawford Neil wrote: > > >> Yes, very true, I can think of a few examples of OT license built > >> aircraft which were worse than the original, can't think of any > >> that were better, but I'm sure there were. > >> /Neil C. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 07 Feb 2003 08:33:46 +1000 From: "Shane Weier" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: RE: Roden Oeffad D.III blow out/ Was: Date for posting the New "old Message-ID: Ross >With my Oeffag I am going to split the wing for a 3rd time and use StY >way of lining all 3 parts up. Don't use the StY method - his only works on ships. Shane ******************************** My Strine is a Toad in Disguise ******************************** _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Feb 2003 22:37:30 +0000 From: "Michael Kendix" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: DC WWI Folks Message-ID: John: Well, I'd like to try and meet up. Let me know where you'll be and we'll see. Wednesday, February 12 is IPMS Northern Virginia in Fairfax, which quite close, especially if you're staying around the Tyson's Corner area. Michael >From: janah@att.net >Reply-To: wwi@wwi-models.org >To: Multiple recipients of list >Subject: [WWI] DC WWI Folks >Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2003 17:16:11 -0500 (EST) > >Hi DC WWI Folks, > >I will be attending a conference in downtown Washinton next week and wanted >to >see if any of you would like to have a drink and some "airplane chat" as my >wife describes it. > >Let me know off line. > >Regards, >John Cyg. _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 07 Feb 2003 08:38:47 +1000 From: "Shane Weier" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: RE: Roden Oeffad D.III blow out/ Was: Date for posting the New "old Message-ID: Ross >By pinning I mean when I attach it to the fuselage. I haven't finished >my first cup of coffee for the morning so don't expect me to be clear >headed. ;-( Have a look at the pics of my D.III in the gallery page. You'll see two small holes which were drilled using a #78 drill IIRC I drilled matching holes in the wingroots and used the finest piece of guitar string I had to make a pair of pins for each wing. *Usually* when I do this nothing lines up or aligns and I end up having to drill out one or more holes and fill them with CyA as I add the wings THIS time in an act of absolute *chance* the wings fit so snugly and are so well aligned I intend *not* to glue them at all to avoid marring the paintwork on the prepainted wings and fuselage! Shane ******************************** My Strine is a Toad in Disguise ******************************** _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2003 09:39:49 +1100 From: "Ross & Wendy Moorhouse" To: Subject: RE: Roden Oeffad D.III blow out/ Was: Date for posting the New "old Message-ID: <002601c2ce30$a81cd890$314e2dcb@future> ARRGGHHH I meant StE.. Can I start Friday all over again please? Cheers Ross -----Original Message----- From: wwi@wwi-models.org [mailto:wwi@wwi-models.org] On Behalf Of Shane Weier Sent: Friday, 7 February 2003 9:35 AM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [WWI] RE: Roden Oeffad D.III blow out/ Was: Date for posting the New "old Ross >With my Oeffag I am going to split the wing for a 3rd time and use StY >way of lining all 3 parts up. Don't use the StY method - his only works on ships. Shane ******************************** My Strine is a Toad in Disguise ******************************** _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 07 Feb 2003 08:43:36 +1000 From: "Shane Weier" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: RE: Roden Oeffad D.III blow out/ Was: Date for posting the New "old Message-ID: Ross >ARRGGHHH I meant StE.. Can I start Friday all over again please? God no. Not if it means I get hauled back in time to redo the first two hours of my working day (though I *did* waste - Boss's opinion - about 45 minutes reading over NINETY listmails) Shane ******************************** My Strine is a Toad in Disguise ******************************** _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2003 09:44:21 +1100 From: "Ross & Wendy Moorhouse" To: Subject: RE: Roden Oeffad D.III blow out/ Was: Date for posting the New "old Message-ID: <002701c2ce31$4a87d350$314e2dcb@future> Thank you for the tip. I was wondering about getting to 2 holes, one in the wing and one in the fuselage to line up with the pin. I can just see mine looking like Swiss cheese. Cheers Ross -----Original Message----- From: wwi@wwi-models.org [mailto:wwi@wwi-models.org] On Behalf Of Shane Weier Sent: Friday, 7 February 2003 9:41 AM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [WWI] RE: Roden Oeffad D.III blow out/ Was: Date for posting the New "old Ross >By pinning I mean when I attach it to the fuselage. I haven't finished >my first cup of coffee for the morning so don't expect me to be clear >headed. ;-( Have a look at the pics of my D.III in the gallery page. You'll see two small holes which were drilled using a #78 drill IIRC I drilled matching holes in the wingroots and used the finest piece of guitar string I had to make a pair of pins for each wing. *Usually* when I do this nothing lines up or aligns and I end up having to drill out one or more holes and fill them with CyA as I add the wings THIS time in an act of absolute *chance* the wings fit so snugly and are so well aligned I intend *not* to glue them at all to avoid marring the paintwork on the prepainted wings and fuselage! Shane ******************************** My Strine is a Toad in Disguise ******************************** _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2003 22:52:01 -0000 From: "Pedro Soares" To: Subject: RE: Roden Oeffad D.III blow out/ Was: Date for posting the New "old Message-ID: <005f01c2ce32$5cb44580$d8465451@netcabo.pt> > > Don't use the StY method - his only works on ships. > > Shane Isn't that you latest line of work too? Pedro ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2003 14:53:54 -0800 From: "Bob Laskodi" To: Subject: Re: brush it Message-ID: <000f01c2ce32$a0335300$373819d0@a8f1a1> <<<1. Has anyone successfully used a thinner with tamiya other than Tamia's own thinner?>>> Yes, I have! Tamiya paints do thin with virtually any common acrylic-type thinner but I do not like the end results with regards to color evenness and fragility. I have used Tamiya paints with virtually every thinner known to mankind and can state that the only other thinner (besides their own stuff) that gives me good results (IMNSHO) is lacquer thinner. I prefer Mr. Color Thinner but it does work with the "hardware store variety" also. This statement does not apply to their clear colors. For those, I have found that Polly Scale Airbrush Thinner, and plain old isopropyl alcohol will work just fine and dandy. <<<2. I'm considering airbrushing Mr. Surfacer as a primer. Is it better to use 1000 (less thick) or 500 (thicker)? I understand Mr. Color thinner is the best to use. How thin should the final mixture be? Do you use a little thinner or quite a lot to avoid the spider webs?>>> Mr. Surfacer is by far the best primer available for model work. The automotive type primers are very good, but IMNSHO nothing beats Mr. Surfacer. The ability of this stuff to go down in very thin coats to not obscure detail is magic, and once fully cured is fully sandable and able to "feather" in to the surface completely undetectable. You can also polish it to a mirror-like finish for you NMF devotees. I use Mr. Surfacer 1000 for all my airbrush work, thinned 1:1 with Mr. Color Thinner, sprayed at 20 psi, and have never had a problem airbrushing it. You must thin it! There is no way 1000 straight from the bottle will airbrush properly. Mr. Surfacer 1000 and 500 are supposedly identical in formula, the only difference is in how thick it is, with 500 being very thick and not sprayable at all (it would probably work if you thinned it 1:10, but I have never tried it). YMMV, and HTH ---------Bob ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2003 23:03:06 -0000 From: "Pedro Soares" To: Subject: RE: Roden Oeffad D.III blow out/ Was: Date for posting the New "old Message-ID: <006f01c2ce33$e9659dc0$d8465451@netcabo.pt> Ross, Sometimes, when the wing root is thick enough to accept a whole = to the section of a straight pin what I do is: a) drill to holes large enough to accept portions of straight pin on the root, one at the fron the other at the rear b) cut sections of 2 pins so as to include the pointed tip c) insert the pins into the holes leaving the pointed tips on the outside. This is the crucial part. You'll find that sometimes when you drill the whole you'll hit clear spaces inside the wings probably due to air bubles during the injection. What this means is that the hole will be much deeper than you had antecipated and the pin will disappear in it. Since it's a snug fit you won't be able to get the pin out again. In order for this not to happen check the depth of the hole by holding the wing against a strong light source. careful not to touch the bulb with the wing.... d) all that should be left of the pins protruding from the wing root is the verybtip, i'd say about 0.5 mm. e) force the wing intoit's correct location. the tips of the pins will dent theplastic and you'll be able to see where to drill the matching hole on the fuselage. Not "money back guarantee" advice, but it usually works for me. Regards Pedro ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Feb 2003 16:58:05 -0600 From: "Matt Bittner" To: "wwi@wwi-models.org" Subject: Re: DC WWI Folks Message-ID: On Thu, 6 Feb 2003 17:16:11 -0500 (EST), janah@att.net wrote: > Hi DC WWI Folks, > > I will be attending a conference in downtown Washinton next week and wanted to > see if any of you would like to have a drink and some "airplane chat" as my > wife describes it. You'll have fun. Each time I was able to visit the people in DC I had a great time. Unfortunately the project I was on that took my to DC I'm no longer a part of. :-( Matt ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2003 23:13:05 -0000 From: "Pedro Soares" To: Subject: Re: DC WWI Folks Message-ID: <007f01c2ce35$4e354e20$d8465451@netcabo.pt> > Unfortunately the project I was on that took my to DC I'm no > longer a part of. :-( > > > Matt Gee Matt, don't tell me you had to go to Washington to update the site every time we would send a photo?..... Pedro ;-) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Feb 2003 17:09:30 -0600 From: "Matt Bittner" To: "wwi@wwi-models.org" Subject: Re: DC WWI Folks Message-ID: On Thu, 6 Feb 2003 18:08:01 -0500 (EST), Pedro Soares wrote: > Gee Matt, don't tell me you had to go to Washington to update the site every > time we would send a photo?..... Now you know why I had to stop doing it. ;-) Matt ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2003 16:24:24 -0700 From: Clay W Fulcher To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Date for posting the New "old kits" list Message-ID: <20030206.162424.3700.5.mtngoat01@juno.com> This stuff is almost giveaway! Maybe Neil will trade for his magpie. On Wed, 5 Feb 2003 16:52:07 -0500 (EST) =?iso-8859-1?q?Shane=20Weier?= writes: > Clay, > > > > Riga, and 8:00 am Sunday (February 9) in Brisbane. > > Is this time ok? > > Fine by me in Brisbane, though not really relevant > unless you happen to be giving stuff away :-( > > That will be 9am in Sydney and Melbourne so Ross, StY > and Neil the Magpie lover should be okay too > > Shane > > http://movies.yahoo.com.au - Yahoo! Movies > - What's on at your local cinema? > > ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 07 Feb 2003 09:24:57 +1000 From: "Shane Weier" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: RE: Roden Oeffad D.III blow out/ Was: Date for posting the New "old Message-ID: Ross >Thank you for the tip. I was wondering about getting to 2 holes, one in >the wing and one in the fuselage to line up with the pin. I can just see >mine looking like Swiss cheese. I used a pair of small springbow dividers to check that the holes on wing and fuselage were at least the same distance apart and equally positioned on port and starboard, then drilled exactly in the centre of Rodens marks. This is *unusual* on kits other than those made by the very best - in fact the forward pips on the upper wing for the cabane struts are moulded too far aft, so you need to cut them off and drill at the *front* of the mark, not the centre (For those without the kit, some of the places where there should be holes on the Roden wing instead have tiny raised pips which need removing and drilling for the strut. I used a #74 bit) Shane ******************************** My Strine is a Toad in Disguise ******************************** _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 07 Feb 2003 09:27:01 +1000 From: "Shane Weier" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: RE: Roden Oeffad D.III blow out/ Was: Date for posting the New "old Message-ID: Pedro > > Don't use the StY method - his only works on ships. > > > >Isn't that you latest line of work too? What? Lining up ships? Or just *&^%ing railing }:-| :-) Shane ******************************** My Strine is a Toad in Disguise ******************************** _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 07 Feb 2003 09:58:13 +1000 From: "Shane Weier" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Date for posting the New "old kits" list Message-ID: Clay, >This stuff is almost giveaway! Yeah, I don't doubt it but (as an example) if I bought a kit from you for US$5, and have to pay the horribly high US international post rates it's going to cost me at *least* US$15 Add A$15 for the bank to produce a US$ cheque and I'm out about US$22 total For that I can buy an Eduard 1/48 Profi......if I had it :-) Shane ******************************** My Strine is a Toad in Disguise ******************************** _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2003 16:59:34 -0700 From: Clay W Fulcher To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Date for posting the New "old kits" list Message-ID: <20030206.165935.3700.14.mtngoat01@juno.com> lol I wonder if the speed of email is correlated with distance. --Clay On Thu, 6 Feb 2003 03:41:35 -0500 (EST) Crawford Neil writes: > > > > This is good fun Clay. Thanks again for all the hard work you > > are doing > > for us. > > > > Later! > > > > Brent > > > It really is good fun, I've always thought I've got enough kits, > so don't usually get very excited about buying more. But I'm going > to be on-line Saturday night at 23.00 or 24.00 (or even 22.00) > must check. Nice one Clay! > /Neil C. > > ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2003 17:23:45 -0700 From: Clay W Fulcher To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Date for posting the New "old kits" list Message-ID: <20030206.172345.3700.19.mtngoat01@juno.com> Hi Greg, You don't have to register or anything. It isn't really an auction, it's a firesale. First-come-first-serve, although Neil of the Frozen North has an advantage in that his email electrons are colder, and therefore move faster. If you are on list digest mode, I can cc you personally when I post the new list of kits. Oh...3:00 pm mountain time is still the time, which is 5:00 pm Eastern time, not 1:00. You'll be waiting for hours wondering what happened! Clay On Thu, 6 Feb 2003 10:13:43 -0500 (EST) Balzer Mr Gregory P writes: > Coming in late on this thread... > Does one need to register to participate in the auction, or is there > simply > a site to go to in order to place your requests? > Sorry for interrupting, just couldn't quite get a fix on things > reading the > archives. > /R/ > Greg Balzer > P.S. Understand the posting time is 3:00 pm Mountain Time, which, > counting > backwards on my toes and fingers, would be 1:00 pm here in the > Eastern Time > Zone. Is this still the case? (And hey, take it easy, I'm getting a > masters > in Education, not Math or Geography!) ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2003 16:25:46 -0800 (PST) From: Phil Bytheway To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Date for posting the New "old kits" list Message-ID: <20030207002546.20251.qmail@web40703.mail.yahoo.com> Did I miss something here?? What is the new "old kits" list? Where is it? Phil Bytheway __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 07 Feb 2003 10:37:25 +1000 From: "Shane Weier" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Date for posting the New "old kits" list Message-ID: Clay says: >If you are on list digest mode, I can cc you personally when I post the >new list of kits. Oh...3:00 pm mountain time is still the time, which >is >5:00 pm Eastern For listees confused by internationally meaningless terms like "Eastern Time" and "Mountain Time", Mountain time is UTC-7 and Eastern Time is UTC-5 (UTC is Greenwich time, Zulu time for those of us ex-military) So Tango to Kilo is 17 hours - 8am in Brisbane on the following day, so if you post Sunday the Eastern Australians will be at work. Shane ******************************** My Strine is a Toad in Disguise ******************************** _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 4990 **********************