WWI Digest 4986 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: all nuts here! (was: RE: New to the list) by =?iso-8859-1?q?Shane=20Weier?= 2) Re: all nuts here! (was: RE: New to the list) by "Pedro Soares" 3) all nuts here! (was: RE: New to the list) by "Lance Krieg" 4) Re: all nuts here! (was: RE: New to the list) by "Pedro Soares" 5) Future in Portugal by "Carlos Carreira" 6) Re: What color is "Khaki"? by "Mark Shannon" 7) Re: all nuts here! (was: RE: New to the list) by =?iso-8859-1?q?Shane=20Weier?= 8) Re: Future in Portugal by "Pedro Soares" 9) Re: Future in Portugal by "Shane Weier" 10) Re: ot Dang by Sean Brian Kirby 11) Re: by any measure. by Ken Schmitt 12) Re: FW: RE: A-Model 1/72 Nieuport IV Part 3 by Sean Brian Kirby 13) site update by MARK MILLER 14) Re: site update by Tom Plesha 15) RE: New to the list by "John & Allison Cyganowski" 16) Re: FW: RE: A-Model 1/72 Nieuport IV Part 3 by "sharon alvarado" 17) Re: colour by GRBroman@aol.com 18) Re: A-Model 1/72 Nieuport IV by Mike Fletcher 19) Re: colour by "Shane Weier" 20) from COCODI CAMP by siaka@hknetmail.com 21) Re: Brush Painting by "John Ernst" 22) Re: They're baaaackk by "David's Mail Lists" 23) DWC - Pics by "Bob Pearson" 24) Re: They're baaaackk by "Shane Weier" 25) Re: They're baaaackk by Ray 26) Death of the Red Baron by "Bob Pearson" 27) Re: DWC - Pics by Ray 28) Re: Death of the Red Baron by "Shane Weier" 29) Re: DWC - Pics by "Bob Pearson" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2003 09:57:26 +1100 (EST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Shane=20Weier?= To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: all nuts here! (was: RE: New to the list) Message-ID: <20030205225726.96683.qmail@web9204.mail.yahoo.com> --- Carlos asks: > Yes, I have the article, but I think the main > reference to have is the German Giants book. And the datafile ? > We still have to handpaint all those lozenge? Not if you buy some night loz from Americal. Actually, not if you buy a LOT of night loz from Americal. > My wife saw some posts and she says it's the right > place for me. I don't suppose I object to a second crazy Portuguese, so long as you don't mind drinking red wine with me when I visit, if ever :-( Shane http://movies.yahoo.com.au - Yahoo! Movies - What's on at your local cinema? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 23:05:51 -0000 From: "Pedro Soares" To: Subject: Re: all nuts here! (was: RE: New to the list) Message-ID: <00e401c2cd6b$21103420$d8465451@netcabo.pt> > Ray, Neil, > > My wife saw some posts and she says it's the right place for > me. Portuguese girls do have a biased opinion regarding their adorable husbands..... > > >Glad to hear you're getting a Staaken > 21 days from the States by airmail? I'm loosing hope... Don't panic yet. It could happen. I have received things from Australia, for instance, in less than a week and sometimes it will take more than a month (especially if there's customs (oh that word again....=&%$?""") involved). Are you sure it was sent airmail? > > Pedro, > Yes, I have the article, but I think the main reference to > have is the German Giants book. > We still have to handpaint all those lozenge? I believe so. Don't know if Americal Gryphon has any sheet of suitable lozenge. One option could be ALPS. And lately I've been quite tempted to buy some of the decal paper for inkjet printes from the decal paper store. Lubos has at least a model on the gallery using this, and it does look fine. Pity they only sell 10 A4 sheet packs. Probably worth a try. > > Um abraço a todos, Outro para ti Pedro > Carlos > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Feb 2003 16:59:16 -0600 From: "Lance Krieg" To: Subject: all nuts here! (was: RE: New to the list) Message-ID: Carlos worries: "We still have to handpaint all those lozenge?" No,there are decals available for the Staaken R.IV- VI; Americal/Gryphon #3 in 1/72. Lance ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 23:08:07 -0000 From: "Pedro Soares" To: Subject: Re: all nuts here! (was: RE: New to the list) Message-ID: <00ee01c2cd6b$72741480$d8465451@netcabo.pt> > > Shane > > > - What's on at your local cinema? Gee, .... who cares. Pedro ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 23:04:09 -0000 From: "Carlos Carreira" To: Subject: Future in Portugal Message-ID: <02f001c2cd6a$e4240af0$6901a8c0@duron> Pedro, Can we find the so refered Future in Portugal? Is there any similar product? TIA Carlos ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 17:06:28 -0600 From: "Mark Shannon" To: Subject: Re: What color is "Khaki"? Message-ID: <008301c2cd6b$3731cac0$2272fea9@theshann> Considering the nature of the ancient Chinese language, with many dialects, and the nature of the 'ch' and 't' and 'd' sounds in most languages, probably the pronounciation depended on whether you asked the people on the north or south bank of the river as to whether it was 'chai' or 'tea'. In Russian it is '(t)chai' - the (t)ch is prounounced the same as 'Tchaikovsky', but is often transliterated without the 't'. In Japanese it is 'cha'. And 'Khaki' covers a wide range of 'dun' colors - essentially similar to if you took all the variants of 'olive drab' and added white or light gray. An ot note is that the British troops in the Zulu and later the Boer wars dyed the cloth covers of their topees and white cross-belts with tea in order to get a color that would blend in and match the new wave toward Khaki Drab field uniforms. Remember, we have also seen PC-10 described as 'dark khaki' as well as 'chocolate' in color (OT point to bring back sanity) .Mark. ----- Original Message ----- From: "SSH" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2003 4:25 PM Subject: [WWI] Re: What color is "Khaki"? > Pedro, Michael, > I think the word Chai came to India and the western world from > China. > Interestingly, the word tea also originates in China, and probably > closely related to chai. > back to OT: > Perchance, the Voss cowl was chai coloured ? > > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2003 10:07:43 +1100 (EST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Shane=20Weier?= To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: all nuts here! (was: RE: New to the list) Message-ID: <20030205230743.69104.qmail@web9203.mail.yahoo.com> --- Pedro wrote: > > - What's on at your local cinema? > > Gee, .... who cares. Not I, that's for sure. Stupid Yahoo on the other hand.... Shane http://movies.yahoo.com.au - Yahoo! Movies - What's on at your local cinema? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 23:43:31 -0000 From: "Pedro Soares" To: Subject: Re: Future in Portugal Message-ID: <001501c2cd70$641c4240$d8465451@netcabo.pt> Carlos I'll answer on list since I would also like to hear the opinions of any other member whose local supermarket does not have future or kleer or whatever. In Portugal there is no Future or Kleer. Some years ago I wrote Johnsons here in Portugal, asking what would they have here similar to Future. The answer was protect 100 (not available to the general public then - sold for office cleaning companies in 5 lt cans) or something other (I really can't remember it was probably more than 10 years ago. At the time I bought a bottle of another brand of acrylic floor wax but it really did not fit the description I had of future. It was milky white not transparent. I used it a coule of times to coat canopies (this was when my models had enclosed cockpits...) though and I came to the conclusion that it worked. Once dry the milkyness disappeared. Then I went to London on holidays and bought a bottle of Kleer (much to my wife's bewildrement...). I've been using it since. It's a lot more than 10 years old. It's getting a bit thick and slightly milky too. I need to replace it. Still there is no transparent stuff like future/Kleer on the market here. Does anyone from non future/kleer countries use the milky types? Care to share experiences? Pedro ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Feb 2003 10:28:01 +1000 From: "Shane Weier" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Future in Portugal Message-ID: Pedro >At the time I bought a bottle of another brand of acrylic floor wax but it >really did not fit the description I had of future. This is what the Australian equivalent of Future (according to Johnsons) looked like. (Actually, it looks *exactly* like Aeromaster or Floquil clear gloss acrylics) Aside from the milkiness it has similar properties to the genuine Future I've had sent to me by listees with two exceptions. I think it's *tougher* because it's utterly unaffected by the likes of microsol, whereas Future will go all cloudy if you aren't carefull. It dries faster and can be overcoated with impunity much earlier. FWIW Johnsons Wax have now entirely discontinued the product in Australia citing insufficient demand, so local modellers are all scurrying about looking for alternatives. I like them both - just choose my weapon to fit the requirement Shane ******************************** My Strine is a Toad in Disguise ******************************** _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 16:28:22 -0800 (PST) From: Sean Brian Kirby To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: ot Dang Message-ID: <20030206002822.39887.qmail@web14806.mail.yahoo.com> --- Clay W Fulcher wrote: > All I will say is... > when we settle on the time to put the list up, you > be first to look at > and dibs. Ye shall find what ye seeketh. If there's a Sierra Po-2 in there - can I? :) Sean ===== www.pitpass.com __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Feb 2003 18:31:01 -0600 From: Ken Schmitt To: Subject: Re: by any measure. Message-ID: Ray The Ancient Machine Gun Shunning Canadian sayeth: > But he who plumbs the mines of Moira ends up with slapped face! Then he will turn the other cheek. -H.E. Duzzntminde ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 16:35:09 -0800 (PST) From: Sean Brian Kirby To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: FW: RE: A-Model 1/72 Nieuport IV Part 3 Message-ID: <20030206003509.48752.qmail@web14804.mail.yahoo.com> --- "Pedro N. Soares" wrote: > > > I forgot most of you won't learn Spanish for fear of > understanding Diego, so > here it goes: Español está muy bonito, y me gusta mucho. Pero, no pratica estos dias. Juan ===== www.pitpass.com __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 17:09:11 -0800 (PST) From: MARK MILLER To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: site update Message-ID: <20030206010911.50082.qmail@web80003.mail.yahoo.com> Bernd Nüßer sent in two more photos for each of his Hansa-Brandenburg and AEG models. http://www.wwi-models.org/Images/Nuesser/German/index.html The new images are the two top images for each model. nice ;-) Mark ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 17:23:04 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Plesha To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: site update Message-ID: <20030206012304.47478.qmail@web40302.mail.yahoo.com> Very nice. Tom --- MARK MILLER wrote: > Bernd Nüßer sent in two more photos for each of his > Hansa-Brandenburg and AEG models. > http://www.wwi-models.org/Images/Nuesser/German/index.html > > The new images are the two top images for each > model. > nice ;-) > Mark > > > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 20:43:13 -0500 From: "John & Allison Cyganowski" To: Subject: RE: New to the list Message-ID: <009201c2cd81$1d7271f0$723e5b0c@millipore.com> They run in mph.... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pedro Soares" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2003 4:52 PM Subject: [WWI] RE: New to the list > . Oh and I suspect the US Elk/Moose runs faster from all > > those hunters with machine guns down south! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 20:47:33 -0500 From: "sharon alvarado" To: Subject: Re: FW: RE: A-Model 1/72 Nieuport IV Part 3 Message-ID: <002c01c2cd81$b8f9d050$8273c3d0@gatewayzztl6sw> Mi tampoco. Alvie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sean Brian Kirby" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2003 7:37 PM Subject: [WWI] Re: FW: RE: A-Model 1/72 Nieuport IV Part 3 > > --- "Pedro N. Soares" wrote: > > > > > > I forgot most of you won't learn Spanish for fear of > > understanding Diego, so > > here it goes: > > > > Español está muy bonito, y me gusta mucho. Pero, no > pratica estos dias. > > > Juan > > ===== > www.pitpass.com > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. > http://mailplus.yahoo.com > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 21:25:00 EST From: GRBroman@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: colour Message-ID: <18a.15c18672.2b73217c@aol.com> --part1_18a.15c18672.2b73217c_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 2/5/2003 3:24:06 PM Central Standard Time, dave.fleming@dial.pipex.com writes: > Liverpool FC Liverpool have a football club? Does Arsenal know? :) Glen --part1_18a.15c18672.2b73217c_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 2/5/20= 03 3:24:06 PM Central Standard Time, dave.fleming@dial.pipex.com writes:


Liverpool FC

Liverpool have a football club?

Does Arsenal know?

:)

Glen --part1_18a.15c18672.2b73217c_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Feb 2003 21:40:02 -0500 From: Mike Fletcher To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: A-Model 1/72 Nieuport IV Message-ID: <3E41CB02.F63F5E5D@rogers.com> Maybe the span isn't really 9m. I think the 9m could be the combined lengths of the wings measured prependicular from the roots. I've seen stranger ways of measuring span. Maybe it needs measuring after all. The RFC ones were a mixed bag - I think there were IV.G's including one donated by Claude Graham-White. Mike AFAIK only the Russian Nieuports fit inside each other... :) Pedro Soares wrote: > > Mike, > > > The example in the Spanish museum was made from the German drawings so > > no need to get the bag of peppers out though I would be interested to > > know how the Swedish example measures out. > > So would the german drawings you mention be almost 2 m short in Span??!!!! > > Or else? > > TIA > Pedro (who loves pimientos de Padrón) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Feb 2003 13:17:32 +1000 From: "Shane Weier" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: colour Message-ID: Glen says: > > Liverpool FC > >Liverpool have a football club? > >Does Arsenal know? ROTFL Shane ******************************** My Strine is a Toad in Disguise ******************************** _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. 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I'm using a combination of Ceramcoat acrylic, MM acrylic, and Polly Scale acrylic all mixed withFuture. I've just recently purchased new sable brushes, and I always work to a wet edge, but I'm still getting major "streaky" brush strokes in my finish, and it seems like it can take up to 5 or 6 coats until the color is opaque enough to eliminate the "show-through" of the primer below. I'm not real scientific when it comes to mixing the Future and the acrylic paints, so maybe I'm adding too much Future. I think I try to mix aout a 1:1 ratio - at least that's what I try for. How about drying time between coats?...no less than 1 hour is what I have done in a pinch, usually however, I let fresh paint cure overnight. Any other thoughts? It just seems that it should take 2 or 3 coats at max to cover. BTW, I'm working on two Nieuports...a 1/48 Eduard N.II, and a Toko 1/72 N.16. Thanks in advance. john ernst ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 22:34:02 -0600 From: "David's Mail Lists" To: Subject: Re: They're baaaackk Message-ID: <000601c2cd98$fa2113b0$0100a8c0@Jeanne> Check out the Dragon Web Page: http://www.dragon-models.com/html/dragon.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Feb 2003 21:28:27 -0800 From: "Bob Pearson" To: ww1 mailing list Subject: DWC - Pics Message-ID: <104450931501@smtp-1.vancouver.ipapp.com> Hi all, Another 10 shots of the DWC are now posted at http://www.cbrnp.com/RNP/DWC.htm I was sent a pile of photos of the Liberty engine, so I should be able to start on that shortly. .. and then it is time to worry about covering and attaching all the components. Bob ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Feb 2003 15:37:04 +1000 From: "Shane Weier" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: They're baaaackk Message-ID: Dave Layton says: >Check out the Dragon Web Page: > >http://www.dragon-models.com/html/dragon.html I can't. Bloody content filtering Shane ******************************** My Strine is a Toad in Disguise ******************************** >From: "David's Mail Lists" >Reply-To: wwi@wwi-models.org >To: Multiple recipients of list >Subject: [WWI] Re: They're baaaackk >Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 23:34:56 -0500 (EST) > _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 21:55:19 -0800 From: Ray To: wwi@wwi-models.org, "Shane Weier" Subject: Re: They're baaaackk Message-ID: <200302052155.19721.Ray_Boorman@telus.net> For Shane, it says .... Drum Rollll please. Dragon Model #5908 Fokker erm lets see V II or is that IVV nope no its says DVII thats it Fokker DVII. Oh and you get a Udet bust too. Looks like the DVIII is available too. Hrmmm cant quite see the scale the print looks too big ;) On Wednesday 05 February 2003 21:39, Shane Weier wrote: > Dave Layton says: > >Check out the Dragon Web Page: > > > >http://www.dragon-models.com/html/dragon.html > > I can't. Bloody content filtering > > Shane > > > > ******************************** > > My Strine is a Toad in Disguise > > > ******************************** > > > > > > From: "David's Mail Lists" > > >Reply-To: wwi@wwi-models.org > >To: Multiple recipients of list > >Subject: [WWI] Re: They're baaaackk > >Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 23:34:56 -0500 (EST) > > _________________________________________________________________ > The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Feb 2003 21:55:31 -0800 From: "Bob Pearson" To: ww1 mailing list Subject: Death of the Red Baron Message-ID: <104451093601@smtp-1.vancouver.ipapp.com> For those listees on the west coast of Canada, the Discovery Channel will be airing the investigation into the death of MvR at 11pm tonight. .. the rest of Canada adjust accordingly if you're still awake. Bob ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 22:00:18 -0800 From: Ray To: wwi@wwi-models.org, "Bob Pearson" Subject: Re: DWC - Pics Message-ID: <200302052200.18345.Ray_Boorman@telus.net> Hey its looking like a real aircraft now ;), sheesh you have planned for how you get it out of the house once its built. We wouldnt want a wall to have to be demolished. Just as a point of interest how much is it going to weigh once its done. Ray On Wednesday 05 February 2003 21:31, Bob Pearson wrote: > Hi all, > > Another 10 shots of the DWC are now posted at > http://www.cbrnp.com/RNP/DWC.htm > > I was sent a pile of photos of the Liberty engine, so I should be able to > start on that shortly. .. and then it is time to worry about covering and > attaching all the components. > > Bob ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Feb 2003 16:05:00 +1000 From: "Shane Weier" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Death of the Red Baron Message-ID: Bob >For those listees on the west coast of Canada, the Discovery Channel will >be >airing the investigation into the death of MvR at 11pm tonight. .. the rest >of Canada adjust accordingly if you're still awake. Is that the Canadian investigation - "Brown got him" or the Australian investigation - "Popkin/another gunner got him" or the US investigation - "Aliens on the grassy knoll got him" Shane ******************************** My Strine is a Toad in Disguise ******************************** _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Feb 2003 22:06:31 -0800 From: "Bob Pearson" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: DWC - Pics Message-ID: <104451161401@smtp-1.vancouver.ipapp.com> No idea as to the weight .. but so far it is two sheets of plywood and two sides of a waterbed frame .. minus all the sawdust. As for getting it out. . the wings are going to be removable as are the floats and taiplane .. the width of the fuselage/centre section is 20", so that will fit through a doorway, but the tailplane is too wide and the floats just nudge the frame .. so they'll have to be removable as well. Bob ---------- >From: Ray > Hey its looking like a real aircraft now ;), sheesh you have planned for how > you get it out of the house once its built. We wouldnt want a wall to have to > be demolished. Just as a point of interest how much is it going to weigh once > its done. > > Ray ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 4986 **********************