WWI Digest 4983 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) FW: RE: A-Model 1/72 Nieuport IV Part 3 by "Pedro N. Soares" 2) Re: take my bike, please by Ken Schmitt 3) Re: FW: RE: A-Model 1/72 Nieuport IV Part 3 by "Shane Weier" 4) Re: FW: RE: A-Model 1/72 Nieuport IV Part 3 by xtv16@dial.pipex.com 5) RE: masking paint + masking lozenge by Crawford Neil 6) Re: FW: RE: A-Model 1/72 Nieuport IV Part 3 by "Shane Weier" 7) Re: FW: RE: A-Model 1/72 Nieuport IV Part 3 by Crawford Neil 8) Re: FW: RE: A-Model 1/72 Nieuport IV Part 3 by "Shane Weier" 9) Re: FW: RE: A-Model 1/72 Nieuport IV Part 3 by "Pedro N. Soares" 10) RE: New to the list by Crawford Neil 11) Re: FW: RE: A-Model 1/72 Nieuport IV Part 3 by "Shane Weier" 12) RE: New to the list by "Shane Weier" 13) RE: New to the list by "Shane Weier" 14) Contrail was New to the list by dave.fleming@dial.pipex.com 15) Re: A-Model 1/72 Nieuport IV by "Carlos Carreira" 16) RE: New to the list by "Pedro N. Soares" 17) RE: New to the list by dave.fleming@dial.pipex.com 18) RE: New to the list by "Pedro N. Soares" 19) RE: New to the list by Crawford Neil 20) Re: Amodel Nieuport Ni IV kit by Casirati Alberto 21) Re: Amodel Nieuport Ni IV kit by Crawford Neil 22) Re: Amodel Nieuport Ni IV kit by dave.fleming@dial.pipex.com 23) Re: Amodel Nieuport Ni IV kit by "Pedro N. Soares" 24) re:masking lozenge by EPMyles@aol.com 25) sub problem by Clay W Fulcher 26) RE: hansa brandenburg W29 by Clay W Fulcher 27) Re: Dang by Clay W Fulcher 28) Date for posting the New "old kits" list by Clay W Fulcher ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 10:48:51 -0000 From: "Pedro N. Soares" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: FW: RE: A-Model 1/72 Nieuport IV Part 3 Message-ID: <12AEB3D996DDD311B98A00508B6D75B302A61C36@TUFAO> I forgot most of you won't learn Spanish for fear of understanding Diego, so here it goes: height: 200,6 cm lenght: 700,8 cm wingspan: 9 m empty weight: 350 Kg (how does a-model scale out in this respect, Shane? I'm a bit worried I'll have to shave some plastic in order to bring it to true... ;-) any doubts with the rest ask Pedro > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Feb 2003 05:12:06 -0600 From: Ken Schmitt To: Subject: Re: take my bike, please Message-ID: Brent- > Two rather nerdy mechanical engineering.. having grown up in a family full of these persons I am laffing so hard I can't stand up... -Icon O. Claste ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Feb 2003 21:30:36 +1000 From: "Shane Weier" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: FW: RE: A-Model 1/72 Nieuport IV Part 3 Message-ID: Pernod ecrit >I forgot most of you won't learn Spanish for fear of understanding >Diego, >so here it goes: Eeeet eees deeee troooooth amigo >wingspan: 9 m Eeeessss goo-ood. Jus liiik seeee mod el >empty weight: 350 Kg (how does a-model scale out in this respect, Shane? >I'm >a bit worried I'll have to shave some plastic in order to bring it to >true... ;-) You need zee barber of Seville then Shane ******************************** My Strine is a Toad in Disguise ******************************** _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Feb 2003 11:38:42 +0000 From: xtv16@dial.pipex.com To: Subject: Re: FW: RE: A-Model 1/72 Nieuport IV Part 3 Message-ID: <1044445122.3e40f7c2bf73f@netmail.pipex.net> Quoting Zorro : > Pernod ecrit > > >I forgot most of you won't learn Spanish for fear of understanding > >Diego, > >so here it goes: > > Eeeet eees deeee troooooth amigo > > >wingspan: 9 m > > Eeeessss goo-ood. Jus liiik seeee mod el Mmm, so now we have at least 4 different valuse for the wingspan of the IV. How does tyhe fuselage length of the kit scan out? I wonder if Neiuport used different wingspans on the real thing - that would make sense in regard to early aeroplanes. Just had a thought - wasn't the Scaleplanes one that Karen built reckoned to be too small, about 1/80th? Amodel wouldn't have copied that, would they? Dave Fleming ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 12:52:35 +0100 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: RE: masking paint + masking lozenge Message-ID: > Thanks as always - Myles > (trying out Dave Z.'s method of avoiding MIME by going > through the AOL remote site - hope it works) It did work Myles, good work, but IMHO I'd prefer two messages from you with mime, rather than one without! /Neil C. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Feb 2003 21:57:37 +1000 From: "Shane Weier" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: FW: RE: A-Model 1/72 Nieuport IV Part 3 Message-ID: 'ming says: >Mmm, so now we have at least 4 different valuse for the wingspan of the IV. >How >does tyhe fuselage length of the kit scan out? 108mm which includes rudder and skid extension, 89 for just the fuselage >I wonder if Neiuport used different wingspans on the real thing - that > >would make sense in regard to early aeroplanes. Well, yes it would and the aeroplane IS a very early one. I'd like to see Pedro balanced on the back of his local variant with a long piece of carefully knotted string,and Neil up in Sweden doing likewise by laying pickled herrings end to end Shane ******************************** My Strine is a Toad in Disguise ******************************** _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 13:04:24 +0100 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: Re: FW: RE: A-Model 1/72 Nieuport IV Part 3 Message-ID: Well my guess is 105 pickled herrings, and a half elk. /Neil C. (I put the question to the swedish forum, but they're developing into a ww2-pansar forum so I don't expect anything better than grunts as a result) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Feb 2003 22:15:55 +1000 From: "Shane Weier" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: FW: RE: A-Model 1/72 Nieuport IV Part 3 Message-ID: Neil >Well my guess is 105 pickled herrings, and a half elk. European or North American? You can crash a lander on Mars if you get the units of measure wrong.... Shane ******************************** My Strine is a Toad in Disguise ******************************** _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 12:19:47 -0000 From: "Pedro N. Soares" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: FW: RE: A-Model 1/72 Nieuport IV Part 3 Message-ID: <12AEB3D996DDD311B98A00508B6D75B302A61DCE@TUFAO> Snake Dundeee Weier says to the genie in the lamp: I'd > like to see > Pedro balanced on the back of his local variant My local variant (I presume you mean the aircraft since the Great Pedor admits no variants) is 600 Kms away across the border and I remember from when I was there that the people in charge of overseing us nosy types wouldn't let me past the ropes... with a long piece of > carefully knotted string,and Neil up in Sweden doing likewise > by laying > pickled herrings end to end But then we'd have to find a way of converting Pimientos de Padron into Elks (which is of course one of the metric sub-divisions of the Herring) > > Shane > > ******************************** > > My Strine is a Toad in Disguise > > > ******************************** > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 13:38:05 +0100 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: RE: New to the list Message-ID: Hi Carlos, Welcome to the loonie bin, don't listen to any of them except Matt, they're all nuts. Just look how a perfectly sensible discussion degenerated into a discussion about pickled paprikas (yes I finally worked out what those piementos thingies were, Pedro) Glad to hear you're getting a Staaken, seems like a very good idea to me. Are Contrail kits good? /Neil C. (on the west coast of Sweden 400km from the museum) > Based in your experience, what is the normal time frame of a > package from the States? One package was sent to me by 15 > Jan, and didn't arrive yet (with precious content: Contrail > Zeppelin Staaken!). I checked, it isn't at the Duties. > > Um abraço, > > Carlos > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Feb 2003 22:38:38 +1000 From: "Shane Weier" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: FW: RE: A-Model 1/72 Nieuport IV Part 3 Message-ID: Pedro, carping again..... >My local variant (I presume you mean the aircraft since the Great Pedor >admits no variants) is 600 Kms away across the border Next door in other words. Six hundred kilometres isn't even half way across the state. >But then we'd have to find a way of converting Pimientos de Padron >into >Elks >(which is of course one of the metric sub-divisions of the Herring) My apologies. Not carping, herring-ing Shane (okay, I'm beat, where do peppers come into this? :-) ******************************** My Strine is a Toad in Disguise ******************************** _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Feb 2003 22:42:30 +1000 From: "Shane Weier" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: RE: New to the list Message-ID: Neil >Glad to hear you're getting a Staaken, seems like a very good idea to me. >Are Contrail kits good? Excellent but the struts are a demiherring oversized Shane (lengthy RLR build article in Scale Models repeated in Windsock - he missed the discrepancy) ******************************** My Strine is a Toad in Disguise ******************************** _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Feb 2003 22:45:47 +1000 From: "Shane Weier" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: RE: New to the list Message-ID: Neil >discussion degenerated into a discussion about pickled paprikas Incidentally Pedro and I are not degenerated. *Matt* is degenerated. Diego is plain degenerate. Ken too. But funny. Shane ;-) ******************************** My Strine is a Toad in Disguise ******************************** _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Feb 2003 12:59:34 +0000 From: dave.fleming@dial.pipex.com To: Subject: Contrail was New to the list Message-ID: <1044449974.3e410ab67ab91@netmail.pipex.net> Neil C asks: > Are Contrail kits good? They are a mixed bag - the later ones tend to be better than the early ones. In Vac terms, I'd place them in the 'middle' range - better than Airframe, but not as good as Rareplanes/Rosemont etc. Tend to have coarser panel lines, & the accuracy of some can be a little variable (due, it has to be said, to the drawings Gordon Sutcliffe used to master them from). Never seen the Stakken, but I do have quite a few of their other kits - many are still unique. Dave ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 13:40:18 -0000 From: "Carlos Carreira" To: Subject: Re: A-Model 1/72 Nieuport IV Message-ID: <00c201c2cd1c$1f394320$6901a8c0@duron> Shane wrote: > A-Model claim the Nie IV had a span of 10.6metres, giving a model of 147mm > span Well, I printed the third drawing from the link Dave sent http://mars.ark.com/~mdf/N_4d.html , and scaling from the figure of the tailplane span (9´ 5") my measure gives a span of 10.40m or some 14.4cm in 1/72. If you believe in german accuracy, A-Model have done it! Digging in my references, I found the third part of an article by Michel Bénichou "Les premiers Nieuport" in Fanatique de l'Aviation no. 136. Lots of general and detail photos of Nieuport monoplanes (no plans, no dimentions). If someone is interested, I can scan and send. I'm afraid I don't have nos. 134 and 135. Carlos ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 13:53:51 -0000 From: "Pedro N. Soares" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: RE: New to the list Message-ID: <12AEB3D996DDD311B98A00508B6D75B302A61ED0@TUFAO> Shane, hitting the mark, says: > > > Incidentally Pedro and I are not degenerated. Agreed. I think of us more like the regenerated type. > > *Matt* is degenerated. Ah, as much as I would tend to agree, he's just volunteered to send me some nice decals for my Nieuport, so I'll leave him out of this. > > Diego is plain degenerate. Absolutely (and silent also.... I wonder what was it that Diego did that made Wanda decree "a week without computer!" sentence...) Ken too. But funny. No, no, no. He's just Sensicall (at times) ain't that so Ken? > > Shane > > ;-) > > ******************************** > > My Strine is a Toad in Disguise > > > ******************************** > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Feb 2003 14:01:11 +0000 From: dave.fleming@dial.pipex.com To: Subject: RE: New to the list Message-ID: <1044453671.3e411927e7057@netmail.pipex.net> Quoting "Pedro N. Soares" : >> > > > Diego is plain degenerate. > > > Absolutely (and silent also.... I wonder what was it that Diego did that > made Wanda decree "a week without computer!" sentence...) > Probably having to do the decorating of the new house! 1:1 scale painting is not so much fun :-( Dave Fleming ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 14:05:22 -0000 From: "Pedro N. Soares" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: RE: New to the list Message-ID: <12AEB3D996DDD311B98A00508B6D75B302A61EDB@TUFAO> Neil, You Swedes (well sort of, in your case) have the nasty habit of pickling anything. Pimientos de Padron are small peppers that come from the village of Padron, in Galicia. They are usually eaten fresh, fried in a touch of olive oil, sprinkled with unrefined salt.... Of course 2 pimientos are enough excuse for a whole bottle of red..... Oh, just had lunch and yet I'd be in for a plate of Padrones... Pedro OT content: I'm sure any aircraft designer, Messrs. Fokker, Sopwith, Curtiss or whatever, would agree as to the inherent delicate taste of said Pimientos (there, couldn't think of anything closer....) Carlos, do you have the Scale Models article about building the Staaken? Pedro > -----Original Message----- > From: Crawford Neil [mailto:Neil.Crawford@volvo.com] > Sent: quarta-feira, 5 de Fevereiro de 2003 12:40 > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: [WWI] RE: New to the list > > > Hi Carlos, Welcome to the loonie bin, don't listen to any of them > except Matt, they're all nuts. Just look how a perfectly sensible > discussion degenerated into a discussion about pickled paprikas > (yes I finally worked out what those piementos thingies were, Pedro) > Glad to hear you're getting a Staaken, seems like a very good > idea to me. > Are Contrail kits good? > /Neil C. (on the west coast of Sweden 400km from the museum) > > > > Based in your experience, what is the normal time frame of a > > package from the States? One package was sent to me by 15 > > Jan, and didn't arrive yet (with precious content: Contrail > > Zeppelin Staaken!). I checked, it isn't at the Duties. > > > > Um abraço, > > > > Carlos > > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 15:16:24 +0100 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: RE: New to the list Message-ID: Pimientos de Padron are small peppers that come > from the village > of Padron, in Galicia. Babelfish refused to translate them, I finally found them on a homepage for Spanish food. > OT content: I'm sure any aircraft designer, Messrs. Fokker, > Sopwith, Curtiss > or whatever, would agree as to the inherent delicate taste of said > Pimientos (there, couldn't think of anything closer....) > > Haven't you heard of the Blackburn Pimiento that raced in the 1919 Schnorkel Cup in Bilbao, unfortunately it turned over and sank before starting. I'm sure Diego knows more about this (rather sad) story. /Neil C. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 15:44:34 +0100 From: Casirati Alberto To: "'Wwi@Wwi-Models. Org (wwi@wwi-models.org)'" Subject: Re: Amodel Nieuport Ni IV kit Message-ID: Just a quick note to say: beware of variations in wingspan amongst different variants of the early Nieuport monoplanes! There were at least 4 different types of them and the span I chose is the one which seemed the best guess for Italian license built machines. A very interesting subject anyway: thanks for the interesting review, Shane ! All the very best, Alberto Casirati ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 15:51:26 +0100 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: Re: Amodel Nieuport Ni IV kit Message-ID: Ah, that explains things, thanks a lot Alberto. /Neil C. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Feb 2003 14:54:18 +0000 From: dave.fleming@dial.pipex.com To: Subject: Re: Amodel Nieuport Ni IV kit Message-ID: <1044456858.3e41259a280ea@netmail.pipex.net> Quoting Casirati Alberto : > Just a quick note to say: beware of variations in wingspan amongst > different > variants of the early Nieuport monoplanes! > > There were at least 4 different types of them and the span I chose is > the > one which seemed the best guess for Italian license built machines. > Which makes sense with what we've found - Guess I'll need to get one! Dave ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 14:55:00 -0000 From: "Pedro N. Soares" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Amodel Nieuport Ni IV kit Message-ID: <12AEB3D996DDD311B98A00508B6D75B302A61FEB@TUFAO> I'll check what my French Nieuport book has on this later tonight and let you guys know. Pedro > -----Original Message----- > From: Crawford Neil [mailto:Neil.Crawford@volvo.com] > Sent: quarta-feira, 5 de Fevereiro de 2003 14:54 > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: [WWI] Re: Amodel Nieuport Ni IV kit > > > Ah, that explains things, thanks a lot Alberto. > /Neil C. > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Feb 2003 10:06:09 -0500 From: EPMyles@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: re:masking lozenge Message-ID: <47965D14.165376A5.00154807@aol.com> Thanks to all for your hints and warnings! Looks like you saved me from a potential disaster and depressing event after all the time I've spent getting the decals set and settled on the fuselage. I'll try the parafilm option since I have a roll on hand. Myles ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 08:27:47 -0700 From: Clay W Fulcher To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: sub problem Message-ID: <20030205.082748.2420.4.mtngoat01@juno.com> Somehow I got unsubbed from the list. I wonder if this one will get through? I am going through the digest now. ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 08:30:03 -0700 From: Clay W Fulcher To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: RE: hansa brandenburg W29 Message-ID: <20030205.083003.2420.6.mtngoat01@juno.com> This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ----__JNP_000_66eb.7eae.568f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit rofl, Excellent advice Lance. Clay Date: Tue, 04 Feb 2003 16:26:57 -0600 From: "Lance Krieg" To: Subject: RE: hansa brandenburg W29 Pedro wonders: "...If I get foam on the cup will this mean that I'm backfiring? probably due to clogged system.....?" I actually started to take this at face value, but I'm pretty sure the Lusitanian is having fun with some us "English as a First Language" types. So I'll respond with what is always good advice; add more thinner, and stand further back from the urinal. Lance ----__JNP_000_66eb.7eae.568f Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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To: <wwi@wwi-models.org>
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----__JNP_000_66eb.7eae.568f-- ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 08:57:00 -0700 From: Clay W Fulcher To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Dang Message-ID: <20030205.085701.2420.14.mtngoat01@juno.com> All I will say is... when we settle on the time to put the list up, Brent be first to look at and dibs. Ye shall find what ye seeketh. --c On Tue, 4 Feb 2003 11:13:21 -0500 (EST) BRENT THEOBALD writes: > Hey Clay, > > I don't know if there are any dibs being called, but I love any and > all > Halberstadts. I'm kind of a same home for them all. :-) > > Also, I am going to want any of the Eduard or limited run two > seaters > and Central Powers aircraft. I'm a glutton for punishment. That's > why I > dig the vacs and resin so much. > > Congrats on finding the gold mine! > > Have a good one! > > Brent > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Clay W Fulcher > Date: Monday, February 3, 2003 10:25 pm > Subject: [WWI] Dang > > > I suppose I am a glutton for punishment. Or just a glutton. > > > > I visited the shop with the "estate sale" again today, for the > > purpose of > > looking for Off Topic items that a few people had inquired about. > What > > did I find? I found 4 new boxes of stuff that I spent all day > going > > through to grab the On Topic kits of WWI. There are some real > beauts, > > believe me. I bought 40 kits, for an average price of about $5.00. > > > Most1:48, but also several 1:72. Since I don't build 1:48 these > > days, these > > are for you. If there are any left (I doubt it), I will auction > > them off > > on EBay. > > > > This time, I think it would be most fair to pick a day, say next > > Saturday, or maybe after that, at a specific convenient time, so > that > > everyone on the list in Australia, America, Europe, Russia, and > Baltic > > States, including those folks in digest-mode can have an equal > > shot at > > one of these kits. What time (and/or date) would be the best to > > post this > > new grab-bag? Shall we use Greenwich Mean Time? > > > > Clay > > > > ________________________________________________________________ > > Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today > > Only $9.95 per month! > > Visit www.juno.com > > > > > ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 09:04:25 -0700 From: Clay W Fulcher To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Date for posting the New "old kits" list Message-ID: <20030205.090426.2420.15.mtngoat01@juno.com> Ok, I think I might have figured this out. I plan to post the new list of bargain basement kits on Saturday, February 8, 3:00 pm Mountain Time (N.America). I believe this works out to 10:00 pm GMT for Western Europe, midnight in Riga, and 8:00 am Sunday (February 9) in Brisbane. Is this time ok? We can adjust it. There is a pile of great kits in here for next to nothing. Clay ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 4983 **********************