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WWI Digest 4974 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Airfix Avro 504 decals. some are being sent to me. Thanks guys. by "Ross & Wendy Moorhouse" 2) Re: Columbia by "hagerupk" 3) Shuttle thanks by "Brian Nicklas" 4) Worth a look on Hotwash.... by "Shane Weier" 5) Re: Worth a look on Hotwash.... by =?iso-8859-1?q?Shane=20Weier?= 6) Re: Stupid email.... by "Bob Pearson" 7) WE CAN HALVE YOUR UK COMPANY TELEPHONE BILLS!! by "Discount Calls UK" 8) =?GB2312?B?tszQxcGqw8ssz9bU2rzTyOvD4rfRu/q74cTRtcM=?= by "webmaster" 9) Back on the day shift by dave.fleming@dial.pipex.com 10) Re: Back on the day shift by "John & Allison Cyganowski" 11) Sablatnig N1 by Nigel Cheffers-Heard 12) Re: Worth a look on Hotwash.... by MARK MILLER 13) Re: Columbia by Crawford Neil 14) Re: more old kits, Part 1 by Crawford Neil 15) Re: Revell news by Crawford Neil 16) Sorta on-topic comic by tbittners@sprintmail.com (Matt Bittner) 17) Re: more old kits, Part 1 by Crawford Neil 18) Re: more old kits, Part 1 by Crawford Neil 19) Sablatnig N1/ was: Back on the day shift by "Michael Kendix" 20) Re: Stupid email.... by Allan Wright 21) Re: updates by Allan Wright 22) Re: Hyperscale today..... by Crawford Neil 23) Re: Worth a look on Hotwash.... by Clay W Fulcher 24) New Lozenge Article by Allan Wright 25) Re: more old kits, Part 1 by "Pedro N. Soares" 26) Re: Worth a look on Hotwash.... by Crawford Neil 27) Re: more old kits, Part 1 by Crawford Neil 28) Re: more old kits, Part 1 by "Pedro N. Soares" 29) new update was re:Worth a look on Hotwash.... by MARK MILLER 30) Re: more old kits, Part 1 by Crawford Neil 31) Re: Sorta on-topic comic by Clay W Fulcher ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2003 11:52:17 +1100 From: "Ross & Wendy Moorhouse" To: Subject: Re: Airfix Avro 504 decals. some are being sent to me. Thanks guys. Message-ID: <002a01c2cb1e$7fcca290$314e2dcb@future> Thanks guys. Don't send anymore. I have been able to get some from listees. Cheers Ross ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2003 19:03:52 -0800 From: "hagerupk" To: Subject: Re: Columbia Message-ID: <001001c2cb30$e273bde0$13381c43@mshome.net> I'd like to add my condolences to the families of the crew members of Columbia. (Willie McCool, the Columbia's pilot, was a student in the EA-6B FRS when I was a flight instructor there.) The crew was involved in an endeavor that benefits all mankind. Kenneth ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2003 20:07:54 -0500 From: "Brian Nicklas" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Shuttle thanks Message-ID: I still can't get onlist - but I'll shoot this blind in hopes it goes up. I got a few notes from some folks, so I wanted to say hi and thank you. Some of you know the love of my life works in Space Station Mission Control. I was in Houston in Dec, all over Ellington Field shooting pics and meeting folks at NASA. I stayed with my friend (I adore this woman). Her office is in the same area as the astronauts, She knows all these people. She called in tears... sucks... This is when long distance bites. I wish I was there just to hold her hand. My thoughts are also with everyone in the program who worked with the crew - this hurts hard. Today I talked to her again - her engineer hat has returned - she will go in to work with all her friends, and they will work with the guys still up on station, and help the guys on the shuttle side if they need it. They will get this right and keep moving on. And she said the support of everyone out there for everyone at NASA means a lot, it means a great deal. Brian Brian Nicklas National Air and Space Museum, Rm 3148, MRC 322 Smithsonian Institution PO Box 37012 Washington, DC 20013-7012 USA 1- 202-633-2333 (telephone) 1-202-786-2835 (telefax) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Feb 2003 15:08:35 +1000 From: "Shane Weier" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Worth a look on Hotwash.... Message-ID: http://disc.server.com/discussion.cgi?id=188084;article=3200 ******************************** My Strine is a Toad in Disguise ******************************** _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2003 16:40:31 +1100 (EST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Shane=20Weier?= To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Worth a look on Hotwash.... Message-ID: <20030203054031.72176.qmail@web9204.mail.yahoo.com> --- Shane Weier wrote: > > http://disc.server.com/discussion.cgi?id=188084;article=3200 His first OT model too.... Shane > http://movies.yahoo.com.au - Yahoo! Movies - What's on at your local cinema? ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 02 Feb 2003 16:41:11 -0800 From: "Bob Pearson" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Stupid email.... Message-ID: <104425729801@smtp-1.vancouver.ipapp.com> Strange, when StE posts on yahoo I don't see any sender listed - I find this with most yahoo addresses - yet von Kendix's name shows up in the sender column. Anyone else have this happen? George is a member of my corvette mailing list and builds 1/72 R/C ships .. I'll have more of his stuff in the future. Joel is a contributor to Windosck magazine, but as yet not a member of the list. Bob ---------- >From: Crawford vonlinke > I see we both favour A-H nome de whatsits:). > > BTW, very nice on-topic stuff in the IM issue. A > scratchbuilt 1/72nd Wright Flyer by Joel Christy, and > George Peat's "Monitor", (Who are these blokes and are > they on this list?)plus all the in-the-box reviews. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2003 07:40:49 -0000 From: "Discount Calls UK" To: Subject: WE CAN HALVE YOUR UK COMPANY TELEPHONE BILLS!! Message-ID: <3E3088C3004735E1@mta2.wss.scd.yahoo.com> (added by postmaster@mail.san.yahoo.com) Join for free! & Your UK National & local Phone calls will cost you as little as 1.65p per minute! We can save your company a fortune! 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------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Feb 2003 10:23:10 +0000 From: dave.fleming@dial.pipex.com To: Subject: Back on the day shift Message-ID: <1044267790.3e3e430e50343@netmail.pipex.net> After eight weeks of being 'on site' at work, finally a day in 'the office' and a mountain of follow up work, but at least I can read the list 'as it happens'! One disadvantage of working from home is that days like today, where we get 6 inches of snow, don't 'stop' me getting to work! Nice Internet Modeler, even if everyone is building ot stuff! OT, anyone ever heard of a Sablatnig N1 ? I have a reference to one being in the UK in 1920, but can't find any note of an aircraft with that name. Dave Fleming ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2003 05:53:11 -0500 From: "John & Allison Cyganowski" To: Subject: Re: Back on the day shift Message-ID: <001301c2cb72$723aed90$30395b0c@millipore.com> Didn't Lonestar make one of these a long time a go? Cyg. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Monday, February 03, 2003 5:25 AM Subject: [WWI] Back on the day shift > > After eight weeks of being 'on site' at work, finally a day in 'the office' and > a mountain of follow up work, but at least I can read the list 'as it happens'! > > One disadvantage of working from home is that days like today, where we get 6 > inches of snow, don't 'stop' me getting to work! > > Nice Internet Modeler, even if everyone is building ot stuff! > > OT, anyone ever heard of a Sablatnig N1 ? I have a reference to one being in > the UK in 1920, but can't find any note of an aircraft with that name. > > Dave Fleming > > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2003 11:26:01 +0000 From: Nigel Cheffers-Heard To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Sablatnig N1 Message-ID: You sure its not an anagram? Astabling: Quaint early 20th Century word for aircraft with marginal longitudinal stability... example..." once you lost airspeed in a climb, it was only a matter of seconds before you were astabling into a spiral dive..." N (with too much time on my hands this morning) -- Nigel Cheffers-Heard photography + design tel: +44 (0)1392 87 58 57 fax: +44 (0)1392 87 74 97 mobile: 0771 261 4514 nigelch@cheffers.co.uk www.cheffers.co.uk Laburnums, Bridge Hill Topsham, Exeter EX3 0QQ, UK ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2003 03:57:37 -0800 (PST) From: MARK MILLER To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Worth a look on Hotwash.... Message-ID: <20030203115737.18587.qmail@web80001.mail.yahoo.com> Tony contacted me a while back He was looking for information on the tach for that DIII model. He sent me 5 photos of the completed model a couple of days ago, and I uploaded them to the site yesterdays. But I left the last steps for Allen, so you can't see it yet. But, soon... Realy clean build impressive work. And the photography is extremly well done Mark --- Shane Weier wrote: > --- Shane Weier wrote: > > > > http://disc.server.com/discussion.cgi?id=188084;article=3200 > > His first OT model too.... > > Shane > > > > http://movies.yahoo.com.au - Yahoo! Movies > - What's on at your local cinema? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2003 13:20:43 +0100 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: Re: Columbia Message-ID: My condolences to the US listees, that was an awful thing to happen. /Neil C. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2003 13:47:43 +0100 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: Re: more old kits, Part 1 Message-ID: Yes, and what a monster! 2-seater with the usual wonderfully smooth fuselage and wings, but the floats were attached to the fuselage by the most amazing amount of bracing wires I've ever seen. I've wanted to build one for years, and if I could only get rid of this P38, I could start. I'm covering this fork-tailed horror with kitchen foil, I managed 2 panels during the entire weekend, at this rate it will be 2020 before I'm back OT:-( /Neil C. (got the same snow as you Ming) > > Wasnt it a Deperdussin that won the first Schneider Trophy > race in 1913. Its > one of the most elegant floatplanes of its time if it was. > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2003 13:54:02 +0100 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: Re: Revell news Message-ID: Your sources really are first class Hans, I'd never bothered looking through boring old Revells site, without your hint that there might be something worth finding. Still really don't understand why they bother though. So it's not an Eduard either? How many parts in a Roden? /Neil C. > > Hey, I told you that already! Nobody believes me... :-( > My sources are first class.... > BTW, the Eduard Dr I has 35 parts.... > > Hans ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2003 06:50:42 -0600 (CST) From: tbittners@sprintmail.com (Matt Bittner) To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Sorta on-topic comic Message-ID: <200302031250.h13CogK41532@king1.kingsnake.com> Forgot to send this yesterday. For those who don't follow the comic, Heart of the City follows a young girl, her exploits and her friends. The latest arc has her one friend, Dean, experimenting with aviation. He fastened wood "wings" to a baby carriage and went down a large hill. Turns out he crashes at the bottom of the hill, to which we've been thrown into a "fantasy dream". Now he's a downed allied pilot behind enemy lines in Nazi Europe. He has help from the French resistance, and this is what they stumble upon: http://www.ucomics.com/heartofthecity/2003/02/01/ What I find amazing is, even though it's a caricature, the artist (Mark Tatulli) knows his D.VIIs. Take a look at the struts, for example. Too cool. Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2003 14:20:19 +0100 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: Re: more old kits, Part 1 Message-ID: > I have this book: Deauville 1913, Capitale de L'hydraviation, > published by > le Musée de l'Air et de l'Espace. I think Neil would be > tempted to kill me > just to get my copy: loads of photos from the race Paris-Deauville, on > August, 24 1913, plus another bunch of very good photos of > the contest for > "avions marins" held in Deauville on August 25-31, 1913. > Consider yourself dead, Pedro! /Neil C. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2003 14:34:31 +0100 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: Re: more old kits, Part 1 Message-ID: Yes, I think it is, except the Munson profile is a little odd IMHO. There were several variations of the racers, I never really worked out which one to build, so I just built a sort of generic Dep racer, I think Munson may have done the same, only different. I believe Anders Bruun is researching the Dep racers, without really getting much further either. They're tricky! /Neil C. > Bet that's the one that is in Munson's book "Pioneer Aircraft > 1903-1914" > on page 73. > > Cheers > > Ross > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Feb 2003 13:47:36 +0000 From: "Michael Kendix" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Sablatnig N1/ was: Back on the day shift Message-ID: Dave: Sierra Scale does a Sablatnig SF.5 in 1/72nd scale but the SF, I think, denotes a floatplane/seaplane type. According to: (watch the wrap here) http://www.csd.uwo.ca/~pettypi/elevon/gustin_military/db/ger/SABLAT01.html the N.1 was a night bomber. Michael P.S. Apparently Hotmail is receiving list traffic again - suddenly, around 7PM, EST, I recieved 80 messages at once.:) Hey, I'm not complaining though. NLT: My boss complaining that her sewer is overflowing! >From: dave.fleming@dial.pipex.com >OT, anyone ever heard of a Sablatnig N1 ? I have a reference to one being >in >the UK in 1920, but can't find any note of an aircraft with that name. > >Dave Fleming _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2003 08:50:15 -0500 (EST) From: Allan Wright To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Stupid email.... Message-ID: <200302031350.IAA45985@mustang.sr.unh.edu> Hotmail goes 'wonky' from time to time - nothing I can do here. Allan > > Matt > > > No, Michael (I know for sure) is *not* receiving list mail to his > > hotmail account. Something's going on somewhere. > > Yup, just got an email from him offlist using a yahoo account. Probably > means that all the hotmail subscribers are cut off, maybe by a bad route on > the list server or something nastier like a spamblocker offsite. > > Thanks for the help. I guess we wait and see. > > Shane > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ********************************************************************** > The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and is > intended only for the use of the addressee(s). > If you receive this e-mail in error, any use, distribution or > copying of this e-mail is not permitted. You are requested to > forward unwanted e-mail and address any problems to the > MIM Holdings Limited Support Centre. > For general enquires: ++61 7 3833 8000 > Support Centre e-mail: supportcentre@mim.com.au > Support Centre phone: Australia 1800500646 > International ++61 7 38338042 > ********************************************************************** > > =============================================================================== Allan Wright Jr. | Without love life's just a long fight - Southside University of New Hampshire +-------------------------------------------------- Research Computing Center | WWI Modeling mailing list: wwi@wwi-models.org Internet: aew@unh.edu | WWI Modeling WWW Page: http://www.wwi-models.org =============================================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2003 08:53:30 -0500 (EST) From: Allan Wright To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: updates Message-ID: <200302031353.IAA45236@mustang.sr.unh.edu> Mark, Great work, thanks for doing this. Bernd, nice models! I'll take a look at the lozenge article during my lunch hour. Thanks again, Allan > > Bernd Nüßer sent in photos of his 1/48 Flashback Hansa > Brandenurg. > > and a 95% scratchbuilt Hansa Brandenburg KDW > Including in process photos. > Check it out - a realy impresive piece of work > Nice job Bernd ! > > also > I just posted a heavily revised version of My 5 color > lozenge article. > Would be interested in hearing any and all comments > whether of not you happen to agree with my conclusions > ;-) > > Mark > =============================================================================== Allan Wright Jr. | Without love life's just a long fight - Southside University of New Hampshire +-------------------------------------------------- Research Computing Center | WWI Modeling mailing list: wwi@wwi-models.org Internet: aew@unh.edu | WWI Modeling WWW Page: http://www.wwi-models.org =============================================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2003 14:54:52 +0100 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: Re: Hyperscale today..... Message-ID: Dave 'Ming: > > Forgive me! > > (a) It was a moment of madness when I saw the Hobbycraft Sea Fury Yes, it can happen to the best of us, at least it's a Sopwith descendant. > > (b) It was bought about 12 years ago, and taken that long to build Should be really good then! > > (c) It's the only 1/48th kit I've ever bought - 1 as against 900 1/72 My ratio is worse, 3 or 4 against 200 in 1/72 > > (d)It's not finished yet! Excellent;-) > > (e) at least it's not 1/36th! Hit a sore point there;-( My 1/36 project is about as stalled as Shanes Caproni. I still think 1/36 is a good idea though. /Neil C. > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2003 06:58:50 -0700 From: Clay W Fulcher To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Worth a look on Hotwash.... Message-ID: <20030203.065851.2276.0.mtngoat01@juno.com> This one is now my desktop. It is incredible. --Clay On Mon, 3 Feb 2003 00:42:23 -0500 (EST) =?iso-8859-1?q?Shane=20Weier?= writes: > --- Shane Weier wrote: > > > > http://disc.server.com/discussion.cgi?id=188084;article=3200 > > His first OT model too.... > > Shane > > > > http://movies.yahoo.com.au - Yahoo! Movies > - What's on at your local cinema? > > ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2003 09:02:43 -0500 (EST) From: Allan Wright To: wwi Subject: New Lozenge Article Message-ID: <200302031402.JAA46911@mustang.sr.unh.edu> Mark has posted a new lozenge article, if you haven't checked it out run, don't walk, it's excellent. Allan =============================================================================== Allan Wright Jr. | Without love life's just a long fight - Southside University of New Hampshire +-------------------------------------------------- Research Computing Center | WWI Modeling mailing list: wwi@wwi-models.org Internet: aew@unh.edu | WWI Modeling WWW Page: http://www.wwi-models.org =============================================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2003 14:02:54 -0000 From: "Pedro N. Soares" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: more old kits, Part 1 Message-ID: <12AEB3D996DDD311B98A00508B6D75B302A29197@TUFAO> > > Consider yourself dead, Pedro! > /Neil C. :-þ Pedro ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2003 15:04:33 +0100 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: Re: Worth a look on Hotwash.... Message-ID: > This one is now my desktop. It is incredible. > --Clay > Yes it really is very good. /Neil C. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2003 15:06:30 +0100 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: Re: more old kits, Part 1 Message-ID: Double dead dammit, still haven't found that one! /Neil C. > > > :-þ > > Pedro > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2003 14:10:47 -0000 From: "Pedro N. Soares" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: more old kits, Part 1 Message-ID: <12AEB3D996DDD311B98A00508B6D75B302A291A3@TUFAO> cut and paste works for me, but that might be considered too childish :-) Pedro > -----Original Message----- > From: Crawford Neil [mailto:Neil.Crawford@volvo.com] > Sent: segunda-feira, 3 de Fevereiro de 2003 14:08 > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: [WWI] Re: more old kits, Part 1 > > > Double dead dammit, still haven't found that one! > /Neil C. > > > > > > > :-þ > > > > Pedro > > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2003 06:13:50 -0800 (PST) From: MARK MILLER To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: new update was re:Worth a look on Hotwash.... Message-ID: <20030203141350.40641.qmail@web80001.mail.yahoo.com> yes it is And it is now on the site ;-) http://www.wwi-models.org/Images/Bell/index.html Mark --- Crawford Neil wrote: > > This one is now my desktop. It is incredible. > > --Clay > > > Yes it really is very good. > /Neil C. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2003 15:17:03 +0100 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: Re: more old kits, Part 1 Message-ID: Didn't even think of that! /Neil C. now fully armed > > cut and paste works for me, but that might be considered too > childish :-) > > Pedro > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2003 07:23:22 -0700 From: Clay W Fulcher To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Sorta on-topic comic Message-ID: <20030203.072323.2276.3.mtngoat01@juno.com> lol And the tail. Invite Mark Tatulli to join the list. On Mon, 3 Feb 2003 08:06:10 -0500 (EST) tbittners@sprintmail.com (Matt Bittner) writes: > He has help from the French resistance, and this is > what > they stumble upon: > > http://www.ucomics.com/heartofthecity/2003/02/01/ > > What I find amazing is, even though it's a caricature, the artist > (Mark > Tatulli) knows his D.VIIs. Take a look at the struts, for example. > > Too cool. ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 4974 **********************