WWI Digest 4969 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: more old kits, Part 1 by Ray 2) Re: Matt Retiring as assistant editor by Ray 3) Re: more old kits, Part 1 by "Pedro Soares" 4) Re: more old kits, Part 1 by Clay W Fulcher 5) Re: Matt Retiring as assistant editor by dave.fleming@dial.pipex.com 6) Re: Matt Retiring as assistant editor by "John & Allison Cyganowski" 7) Re: FOKKER DR1 TRIPLANE by "John & Allison Cyganowski" 8) Re: more old kits, Part 1 by "Ross & Wendy Moorhouse" 9) Re: Matt Retiring as assistant editor by pfalzdvii@att.net 10) Re: Matt Retiring as assistant editor by pfalzdvii@att.net 11) Re: Matt Retiring as assistant editor by Eric GALLAUD 12) Matt Farewell by "NEIL EDDY" 13) Thinning Fuselage Walls by "NEIL EDDY" 14) Site update:Alb DIII Oeffag progress by ot811 15) RE: Site update:Alb DIII Oeffag progress by "Ross & Wendy Moorhouse" 16) Re: Matt Retiring as assistant editor by "Steven Perry" 17) RE: Site update:Alb DIII Oeffag progress by "Steven Perry" 18) RE: Site update:Alb DIII Oeffag progress by "Ross & Wendy Moorhouse" 19) Spousal color critics was: Site update:Alb DIII Oeffag progress by "Steven Perry" 20) offlist Lohner BII by Ray 21) Re: offlist Lohner BII by Ray 22) Re: Thinning Fuselage Walls by "Shane Weier" 23) Re: Thinning Fuselage Walls by Eric GALLAUD 24) Re: Matt Retiring as assistant editor by "Shane Weier" 25) RE: Matt Retiring as assistant editor by Paul Thompson 26) Re: Matt Retiring as assistant editor by "John & Allison Cyganowski" 27) Re: Matt Retiring as assistant editor by "Diego Fernetti" 28) Thinning Fuselage Walls (part 1) by "Diego Fernetti" 29) Thinning Fuselage walls Part 2 by "Diego Fernetti" 30) Re: Thinning Fuselage walls Part 2 by ot811 31) Re: Matt Retiring as assistant editor by "Matt Bittner" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 16:01:01 -0800 From: Ray To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: more old kits, Part 1 Message-ID: <200301311601.01421.Ray_Boorman@telus.net> Wasnt it a Deperdussin that won the first Schneider Trophy race in 1913. Its one of the most elegant floatplanes of its time if it was. Ray On Friday 31 January 2003 01:16, you wrote: > If that was because it's ot, I don't think you need to worry, > it's only one year before WW1, and I think we're allowed to > talk about precursors of WW1 aircraft, and the Dep racer was > what Bechereau did before designing the Spad series, so OT! > /Neil C. > > > This was to go off list. My mistake. :-( > > > > Cheers > > > > Ross ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 16:15:08 -0800 From: Ray To: wwi@wwi-models.org, Allan Wright Subject: Re: Matt Retiring as assistant editor Message-ID: <200301311615.08392.Ray_Boorman@telus.net> Yes but will he finish another OT aircraft ;) sorry couldnt resist. Oh an Matt you cant make IM a Nieuport only zone..... Of course 1/72 only is fine Ray On Friday 31 January 2003 12:19, Allan Wright wrote: > After over five years of service, Matt is moving on to help with > maintaining the Internet Modeler site. His help here was essential in > getting the site shaped up during the past half-decade. Matt will continue > to maintain the Internet Modeler archive here, but his other duties will > stop. > > Please do not forward any more site submissions to Matt, all he can do is > forward them to me. Instead please save him the trouble by mailing them > directly to me. > > I'm sure Matt will continue to be a list subscriber and contributor. > > Thanks again Matt! > Al > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Feb 2003 00:25:59 -0000 From: "Pedro Soares" To: Subject: Re: more old kits, Part 1 Message-ID: <001601c2c988$7f31caa0$05fa16d5@netcabo.pt> I have this book: Deauville 1913, Capitale de L'hydraviation, published by le Musée de l'Air et de l'Espace. I think Neil would be tempted to kill me just to get my copy: loads of photos from the race Paris-Deauville, on August, 24 1913, plus another bunch of very good photos of the contest for "avions marins" held in Deauville on August 25-31, 1913. Nieuport, Deperdussin, Breguet, Borel, Maurice Farman, all of these on floats, of course. The standar of printing is very good too. Ray, get me you snail mail address, will you! Pedro Nieuport update: new undercarriage in place, now painting rudder, wheels and prop and tail skid np: Living in the past, by JT. Some things are really like Port, they can only get better asthey get older. It had been ages since I last heard "The story of the Hare who lost his spectacles". Promptly reminded me of toad and elks. Mordious record. ----- Original Message ----- From: Ray To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Friday, January 31, 2003 11:59 PM Subject: [WWI] Re: more old kits, Part 1 > Wasnt it a Deperdussin that won the first Schneider Trophy race in 1913. Its > one of the most elegant floatplanes of its time if it was. > > Ray > On Friday 31 January 2003 01:16, you wrote: > > If that was because it's ot, I don't think you need to worry, > > it's only one year before WW1, and I think we're allowed to > > talk about precursors of WW1 aircraft, and the Dep racer was > > what Bechereau did before designing the Spad series, so OT! > > /Neil C. > > > > > This was to go off list. My mistake. :-( > > > > > > Cheers > > > > > > Ross > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 17:31:03 -0700 From: Clay W Fulcher To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: more old kits, Part 1 Message-ID: <20030131.173104.2012.2.mtngoat01@juno.com> This Deperdussin kit I am sending Ross is not a floatplane. It has wheels. It says on the package, "Deperdussin, World's Fastest Aircraft 1913." -Clay On Fri, 31 Jan 2003 19:21:32 -0500 (EST) "Pedro Soares" writes: > I have this book: Deauville 1913, Capitale de L'hydraviation, > published by > le Musée de l'Air et de l'Espace. I think Neil would be tempted to > kill me > just to get my copy: loads of photos from the race Paris-Deauville, > on > August, 24 1913, plus another bunch of very good photos of the > contest for > "avions marins" held in Deauville on August 25-31, 1913. > > Nieuport, Deperdussin, Breguet, Borel, Maurice Farman, all of these > on > floats, of course. The standar of printing is very good too. > > > Ray, get me you snail mail address, will you! > > Pedro > > Nieuport update: new undercarriage in place, now painting rudder, > wheels and > prop and tail skid > > np: Living in the past, by JT. Some things are really like Port, > they can > only get better asthey get older. It had been ages since I last > heard "The > story of the Hare who lost his spectacles". Promptly reminded me of > toad and > elks. Mordious record. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Ray > To: Multiple recipients of list > Sent: Friday, January 31, 2003 11:59 PM > Subject: [WWI] Re: more old kits, Part 1 > > > > Wasnt it a Deperdussin that won the first Schneider Trophy race in > 1913. > Its > > one of the most elegant floatplanes of its time if it was. > > > > Ray > > On Friday 31 January 2003 01:16, you wrote: > > > If that was because it's ot, I don't think you need to worry, > > > it's only one year before WW1, and I think we're allowed to > > > talk about precursors of WW1 aircraft, and the Dep racer was > > > what Bechereau did before designing the Spad series, so OT! > > > /Neil C. > > > > > > > This was to go off list. My mistake. :-( > > > > > > > > Cheers > > > > > > > > Ross > > > > > ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 01 Feb 2003 00:45:25 +0000 From: dave.fleming@dial.pipex.com To: Subject: Re: Matt Retiring as assistant editor Message-ID: <1044060325.3e3b18a5cc2e3@netmail.pipex.net> Big thank you to Matt! Good Luck in the new position! dave ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 20:20:39 -0500 From: "John & Allison Cyganowski" To: Subject: Re: Matt Retiring as assistant editor Message-ID: <006601c2c990$2218cf00$71395b0c@millipore.com> Matt, Thank you for all of your efforts on our collective behalf. Warm Regards & Best Wishes, John Cyg. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 20:22:29 -0500 From: "John & Allison Cyganowski" To: Subject: Re: FOKKER DR1 TRIPLANE Message-ID: <007b01c2c990$635391d0$71395b0c@millipore.com> Ben, the DML Dr.1s are still widely available. Cyg. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Friday, January 31, 2003 12:12 PM Subject: [WWI] FOKKER DR1 TRIPLANE > I have a 1/28 scale DR1 but have decided it is a little big for my collection. Running out of space. I would like to build one in 1/48 scale but it seems the several kits that used to be available are no longer available. Am I out of luck? > > Ben Lankford > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Feb 2003 13:01:21 +1100 From: "Ross & Wendy Moorhouse" To: Subject: Re: more old kits, Part 1 Message-ID: <001b01c2c995$d4623070$314e2dcb@future> Bet that’s the one that is in Munson's book "Pioneer Aircraft 1903-1914" on page 73. Cheers Ross -----Original Message----- From: wwi@wwi-models.org [mailto:wwi@wwi-models.org] On Behalf Of Clay W Fulcher Sent: Saturday, 1 February 2003 11:34 AM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [WWI] Re: more old kits, Part 1 This Deperdussin kit I am sending Ross is not a floatplane. It has wheels. It says on the package, "Deperdussin, World's Fastest Aircraft 1913." -Clay On Fri, 31 Jan 2003 19:21:32 -0500 (EST) "Pedro Soares" writes: > I have this book: Deauville 1913, Capitale de L'hydraviation, > published by > le Musée de l'Air et de l'Espace. I think Neil would be tempted to > kill me > just to get my copy: loads of photos from the race Paris-Deauville, > on > August, 24 1913, plus another bunch of very good photos of the > contest for > "avions marins" held in Deauville on August 25-31, 1913. > > Nieuport, Deperdussin, Breguet, Borel, Maurice Farman, all of these > on > floats, of course. The standar of printing is very good too. > > > Ray, get me you snail mail address, will you! > > Pedro > > Nieuport update: new undercarriage in place, now painting rudder, > wheels and > prop and tail skid > > np: Living in the past, by JT. Some things are really like Port, > they can > only get better asthey get older. It had been ages since I last > heard "The > story of the Hare who lost his spectacles". Promptly reminded me of > toad and > elks. Mordious record. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Ray > To: Multiple recipients of list > Sent: Friday, January 31, 2003 11:59 PM > Subject: [WWI] Re: more old kits, Part 1 > > > > Wasnt it a Deperdussin that won the first Schneider Trophy race in > 1913. > Its > > one of the most elegant floatplanes of its time if it was. > > > > Ray > > On Friday 31 January 2003 01:16, you wrote: > > > If that was because it's ot, I don't think you need to worry, > > > it's only one year before WW1, and I think we're allowed to > > > talk about precursors of WW1 aircraft, and the Dep racer was > > > what Bechereau did before designing the Spad series, so OT! > > > /Neil C. > > > > > > > This was to go off list. My mistake. :-( > > > > > > > > Cheers > > > > > > > > Ross > > > > > ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 01 Feb 2003 04:46:24 +0000 From: pfalzdvii@att.net To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Matt Retiring as assistant editor Message-ID: <3E308DB9003BF3AF@mta3.wss.scd.yahoo.com> (added by postmaster@mail.san.yahoo.com) Thanks for your effort, mon ami, and bon chance! -- Merrill Your Madness May Vary ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 01 Feb 2003 04:50:20 +0000 From: pfalzdvii@att.net To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Matt Retiring as assistant editor Message-ID: <3E3088A0003CADB0@mta1.wss.scd.yahoo.com> (added by postmaster@mail.san.yahoo.com) One final indignity, Matt, the messages that you were 'leaving' were on my message list, abbreviated as: "Matt leaving as ass..." Had to share it, very sorry, Matt! -- Merrill Your Madness May Vary ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 01 Feb 2003 05:53:38 +0100 From: Eric GALLAUD To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Matt Retiring as assistant editor Message-ID: <3E3B52D2.3080005@club-internet.fr> The development of my WW1 airplane interest grows up when I found The Site about 3 years ago. So, I want to say a big thank you to Matt for his contribution for maintaining The Site (I don't forget Allan, Mark and Sanjeev of course ;-) ). Let the Nieuports fly. Eric ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Feb 2003 15:59:39 +1100 From: "NEIL EDDY" To: Subject: Matt Farewell Message-ID: <002301c2c9ae$ba0b7240$81cb32d2@default> Matt; Thank You for a wonderful job over five years. I haven't been around that long but I really appreciate the work that you and Allan have done (also to Sanjeev and Mark!). Now you are going to IN (Internet Nieuport) are you keeping the VVS site going? (No I havent forgot the P_______v, I will send in a photo soon). I'm sure you'll still be around here as long as there are French aircraft to build.... All the Best Neil E ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Feb 2003 16:03:01 +1100 From: "NEIL EDDY" To: Subject: Thinning Fuselage Walls Message-ID: <002901c2c9af$329e7360$81cb32d2@default> Diego cryptically tells us.... > I have developed a quite easy routine to thin fuse walls, if you are > interested, I can write something up. Yes please, do cough up Old Chap, we have ways of making Argentinians talk you know...... Hand me that Goanna, Parker..... All the Best Neil E (Land of the Terrible Goanna) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Feb 2003 00:16:29 -0500 From: ot811 To: wwi-list Subject: Site update:Alb DIII Oeffag progress Message-ID: <20030201051916.27324464075@mail.mailsnare.net> Ross Moorhouse sent in 4 more build pics of his Albatros DIII Oeffag. See http://www.wwi-models.org/Images/Moorhouse/CP/index.html or news regards Sanjeev ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Feb 2003 16:25:11 +1100 From: "Ross & Wendy Moorhouse" To: Subject: RE: Site update:Alb DIII Oeffag progress Message-ID: <000601c2c9b2$4dfe5370$314e2dcb@future> That was real quick Sanjeev. Thanks heaps mate. Cheers Ross -----Original Message----- From: wwi@wwi-models.org [mailto:wwi@wwi-models.org] On Behalf Of ot811 Sent: Saturday, 1 February 2003 4:21 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [WWI] Site update:Alb DIII Oeffag progress Ross Moorhouse sent in 4 more build pics of his Albatros DIII Oeffag. See http://www.wwi-models.org/Images/Moorhouse/CP/index.html or news regards Sanjeev ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Feb 2003 00:35:47 -0500 From: "Steven Perry" To: Subject: Re: Matt Retiring as assistant editor Message-ID: <00dc01c2c9b3$c5ef04a0$65a8a8c0@tampabay.rr.com> Matt working for IM....hmmm...Hey Pedro, I bet he finishes that Spad now ;-) With the obligatory crack out of the way; thanks for all the time you spent away from the modeling bench. It has made the time the rest of us spend there more productive, more skilled and most of all, more FUN! There may be a few less finished 1/72 French models to show for it, but your efforts are responsible for a lot more WWI modelers...and some of them even build 1/72 French. What's your new position with IM? Deadline Enforcer ;-) sp ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Feb 2003 00:47:21 -0500 From: "Steven Perry" To: Subject: RE: Site update:Alb DIII Oeffag progress Message-ID: <00e201c2c9b5$6373eb40$65a8a8c0@tampabay.rr.com> > Ross Moorhouse sent in 4 more build pics of his Albatros DIII Oeffag. > See > http://www.wwi-models.org/Images/Moorhouse/CP/index.html > or news Ross: The wood looks just fine on my monitor. What do you mean by a "pastel chalk wash"? Is this pastel powder in a liquid carrier or is it a dusting with the dry chalk powder? Love the construction shots you've been posting. I enjoy seeing people's models progress especially since I see so little progress on mine. sp ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Feb 2003 16:53:13 +1100 From: "Ross & Wendy Moorhouse" To: Subject: RE: Site update:Alb DIII Oeffag progress Message-ID: <000701c2c9b6$3565a580$314e2dcb@future> Maybe my wife is too hard on me with the colours I use? ;-) I used pastel chalk in a mix or water and washing up liquid and run this along the corners of the frame work inside the fuselage. The chalk was shaved into a fine powder then added to the water. I also used a 'Q' tip to clean up the overflow of the weather liquid. I am glad you like the in progress shots. Seems that the Oeffag jumped ahead of the others in my build list. Cheers Ross ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Feb 2003 01:06:40 -0500 From: "Steven Perry" To: Subject: Spousal color critics was: Site update:Alb DIII Oeffag progress Message-ID: <00ec01c2c9b8$16855f00$65a8a8c0@tampabay.rr.com> > Maybe my wife is too hard on me with the colours I use? ;-) BvB has an eagle eye when it comes to colors, I'm the visual equivalent of tone deaf. She is merciless when it comes to the colors on my models. Sometimes I have to resort to talking about the Voss cowl, French blue or the various shades of PC-10. She leaves pretty quick then :-) sp ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 22:22:49 -0800 From: Ray To: wwi@wwi-models.org, "Steven Perry" Subject: offlist Lohner BII Message-ID: <200301312222.49940.Ray_Boorman@telus.net> Wow Steven very well done, I just looked at the Lohner on RollModels.net, damn damn damn I would watch out for Diego's finger chopper. That is one really pretty model even if it is in 1/48 ;) Seriously though that is an impressive build and really pretty model. I know CSM kits are good but heck you made the aircraft really look impressive. Talk about an inspiring model.... Now I wonder if there is a 1/72 Lohner out there. Oh well back to my Tabloid......... Ray ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 22:36:14 -0800 From: Ray To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: offlist Lohner BII Message-ID: <200301312236.14948.Ray_Boorman@telus.net> There is a build article on John Reids 1/16 Albatros Diorama on Hyperscale for anyone interested. http://64.124.220.113/albatrosdioramajr_1.htm Ray ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 01 Feb 2003 16:37:34 +1000 From: "Shane Weier" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Thinning Fuselage Walls Message-ID: Neil >Yes please, do cough up Old Chap, we have ways of making Argentinians >talk >you know...... > >Hand me that Goanna, Parker..... Maybe I should nip over the river to ballymore and try it out on the Argentina Rugby Sevens team - just to be sure it'd work okay of Diego? Of course they may be big tough blokes 9 foot tall.... Shane ******************************** My Strine is a Toad in Disguise ******************************** _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 01 Feb 2003 07:46:53 +0100 From: Eric GALLAUD To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Thinning Fuselage Walls Message-ID: <3E3B6D5D.4080200@club-internet.fr> I am also interested by this technique. It should be helpful for my Aero A1. Eric NEIL EDDY a écrit: >Diego cryptically tells us.... > > > > >>I have developed a quite easy routine to thin fuse walls, if you are >>interested, I can write something up. >> >> > >Yes please, do cough up Old Chap, we have ways of making Argentinians talk >you know...... > >Hand me that Goanna, Parker..... > >All the Best > >Neil E >(Land of the Terrible Goanna) > > > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 01 Feb 2003 16:52:50 +1000 From: "Shane Weier" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Matt Retiring as assistant editor Message-ID: SP says: >a few less finished 1/72 French models to show for it, Cause...... >responsible for a lot more WWI modelers.. Effect ! ;-) However, FWIW, even I reckon Matt's done a hell of a lot of work to help Al keep us all afloat, and for that I'll even forgive his Francophile ravings :-) Shane ******************************** My Strine is a Toad in Disguise ******************************** _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 01 Feb 2003 10:34:37 +0100 From: Paul Thompson To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: RE: Matt Retiring as assistant editor Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20030201103331.00a453e0@pop.xs4all.nl> Matt, indeed a big thanks for all your work in the past. I hope you can find a bit more time to actually make models now. Paul T. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Feb 2003 06:56:49 -0500 From: "John & Allison Cyganowski" To: Subject: Re: Matt Retiring as assistant editor Message-ID: <001701c2c9e9$08a18040$b8385b0c@millipore.com> Forgive yes. Forget no. ;-) Cyg. > > However, FWIW, even I reckon Matt's done a hell of a lot of work to help Al > keep us all afloat, and for that I'll even forgive his Francophile ravings > :-) > > Shane > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 01 Feb 2003 12:51:44 +0000 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Matt Retiring as assistant editor Message-ID: Well well well... I'm away from the screen for a few hours and the cçworld has changed overnight! Matt, thanks for all your excellent work on the WW1 modelling website, hope that this will not mean less of your posts here on the List. I'm sure you will do a great job for the IM mag as you did in the WW1 list and the other websites you maintain. Thanks also to Allan, Mark and Sanjeev, that also have built one of the best sites I've known. One last thing: Please change those SE5a "bullets" in the opening pages and put Naglos instead. Bonne chance Matt! D. _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 01 Feb 2003 13:08:30 +0000 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Thinning Fuselage Walls (part 1) Message-ID: Due to popular request (and the fear to the terrible goanna) here it is an explanation on how to inflict damage to models: You have, for instance, a Merlin Pfalz D.VIII fuselage. The inner surface is thick and unequal, there is a very obstrusive "firewall" behind the gluing surface of the cowling and there is really much room for detailing the cockpit. First, sand carefully against a flat sandpaper covered surface to be sure of getting a good mating surface of the halves. This is important because the thinned pieces will be too flimsy to perform it later. If the rudder is in one half only, separate it and thin it separately, if it's hals in each piece, sand this area until both halves joined togheter have a sharp trailing edge. Then cut away and glue separately from the fuse. Then take care of refinig all exterior detail. Again, this is to take advantage of the strong thick fuselage. I sometimes erase the cockpit coaming as well. Now to the interior: Usin a gouge or a motor tool, carve the innards in small shavings, never too deep nor never too long. That's because you will have a better control of the tool. Once you have done the entire inner surface of the model (or at least that visible by the cockpit hole or any opening) you will have a rough surface. With a small piece of coarse sandpaper erase all the "waves" that the previous tool left. Try to be even in the sanding. Repeat again with a gouge or a motor tool until you start seeing some light thru the plastic. _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 01 Feb 2003 13:35:16 +0000 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Thinning Fuselage walls Part 2 Message-ID: We have a rought, but considerably thinner fuselage now. Now comes the fiddly part... Remember the "firewall" area that makes thinning and sanding so difficult? Well, now that the hard work is done, cut that away, leaving an open end. Yes, you will need to add later a new fireall of sheet plastic, but generally speakign that's only a disc or part of it, nothing too hard, huh? Sand the inside with decreasing grain of sandpaper, always using small pieces and keeping the part wet to avoid clogging. It's here when you have to be careful of not crushing the part in your fingers or sand too much away and leave a hole. This last is unlikely, since the colour of plastic gets lighter if you approach to the external surface. The aim here is not to get scale thickness (just imagine the thickness of doped fabric reduced 72 times!) but to have room for any cockpit or interior detialing you want to add to the model. Think about the thickness of a vacuform model, that will be enough. Now here's another good thing about thinned fuse walls: The bulkheads have shapes that are much more like the exterior ones, so you can always make an oversized bulkhead taking the exterior shape as reference, and then trimming it a little and voilá, a perfect fit! On slab sided fuselages, I also tried using the tip of a 11 blade of a chisel edged blade to scrap material and keep the sharp corners of the "box". Remember that to glue the thin fuselage halves, it's best to add small stryrene sheet tabs inside, to ensure a better glueing surface. I have been thinking if it's necessary to thin all fuselage walls or just only the area near the cockpit or to be seen thru it. I do all the fuse, because making all the piece of a single thickness avoids putting too much sterss on a thin area that may crack easily if mishandled. If all the piece is uniformly thin, one tends to treat it more carefully. HTH, I still feel that the message needs some pictures or drawings, there's much things that I lack vocabulary or skills to explain properly! D. _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Feb 2003 08:45:55 -0500 From: ot811 To: Subject: Re: Thinning Fuselage walls Part 2 Message-ID: <20030201134841.508F2690BCB@mail.mailsnare.net> Diego, That was very useful! I learnt quite a few tips there. The way I thin the fuselage on 1:48 models: I avoid using the motor tool because I am not too careful with it. Instead, I use the #10 (curved edge) exacto blade to shave the plastic, I alernate this with riffling files to speed up the process. When the wall is sufficiently thin, I use sandpaper wrapped over balsa to thin it further and and smooth it down. Holding it up to the light occasionally to see if it is being thinned evenly, and to avoid thinning it too much in one spot. regards Sanjeev ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 01 Feb 2003 08:29:15 -0600 From: "Matt Bittner" To: "wwi@wwi-models.org" Subject: Re: Matt Retiring as assistant editor Message-ID: On Sat, 1 Feb 2003 00:35:29 -0500 (EST), Steven Perry wrote: > What's your new position with IM? Deadline Enforcer ;-) That's good. Just call me Guido. ;-) Matt ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 4969 **********************