WWI Digest 4961 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) A Couple of Questions by "Richard Bilak" 2) re: Old Kits by Clay W Fulcher 3) re: Contact! by "Mark Shannon" 4) Re: old kits by "Nikboy" 5) RE: Aviatiks by "Nigel Rayner" 6) RE:Tom Morgan's DH2 in Windsock by "Nigel Rayner" 7) Re: Buzzards? by "Len Smith" 8) S.E.5a Special by rewing@aol.com 9) Re: The Voss cowl conspiracy - was Made out like a by "Hans Trauner" 10) Re: A Couple of Questions by SSH 11) Re: Site update: Roden Albatros DIII in-progress by "Shane Weier" 12) Re: New updates by Daniel Hayward 13) Re: Aviatiks by "Shane Weier" 14) Re: Modeller added to site by "Shane Weier" 15) Re: Blue Max ribs by "tsollers" 16) Re: Aviatiks by "Grzegorz Mazurowski" 17) RE: Modeller added to site by "Ross & Wendy Moorhouse" 18) Re: Modeller added to site by "Ross & Wendy Moorhouse" 19) Re: Modeller added to site by "Ross & Wendy Moorhouse" 20) Re: Aviatiks by "Shane Weier" 21) Re: Roden's SE5a versions by dave.fleming@dial.pipex.com 22) OT Mag Content by dave.fleming@dial.pipex.com 23) Re: S.E.5a Special by "Thomas Solinski" 24) Re: which is right by "Thomas Solinski" 25) Re: Roden's SE5a versions by xtv16@dial.pipex.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 10:42:48 -0900 From: "Richard Bilak" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Subject: A Couple of Questions Message-ID: <000101c2c7ce$9bddf400$d178ed18@bilak.micronet.net> Greetings, I have a couple of questions for people more knowledgeable than myself. #1 I'm working on a Formaplane vac kit of the RAF F2b, very nice kit (Thanks for the hint on your vac page Diego). The kit has a vac radiator that gives a somewhat basic shape. I need either a picture, drawing or illuustration of the radiator. Lacking that Could someone point me in the direction of a good reference with a picture of said radiator? #2 I traded for a Sign 1/72 Fokker D.VIII awhile back. I know the fuselage is short by a scale foot or so. I'm going to use the Sign decals for a couple Toko D.VIIIs. I want to do a D.VIII in the color scheme of one that was tested on in the US at Mc Cook Field. The color is of course OD. My question is this, What color would the interior be, OD or 5 color loz? Thanks, Rick Bilak Anchorage, Alaska ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 12:42:49 -0700 From: Clay W Fulcher To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: re: Old Kits Message-ID: <20030129.124249.2988.1.mtngoat01@juno.com> I better update this list again. They're going too fast. I guess today will have to be a day of vacation. -Clay xxx => spoken for Resin Kits Vickers Vimy Mk IV, 1:72, Novo Air Kits, $7.50 xxx Junkers J-9/D-1, 1:48, Blue Max, $10.00 (Mack Harris) xxx Albatros C.III, 1:48, Eduard, $14.00 (Bob Pearson) xxx Caproni Ca.3, 1:72, Meikraft, $3.00 (Clay Fulcher) xxx DeHaviland DH-5, 1:48, Lone Star Models, $10.00 (Brad Gossen) Avia B.21, 1:72, KP Plastikovy Model, $2.50 Morane Saulnier N, 1:48, Eduard, $11.25 Morane Saulneir L, 1:48, Eduard, $10.00 Albatros D.V, 1:48, Eduard, $11.50 xxx Siemens-Schuckert D.III, 1:48, Eduard, $5.00 (Brent Theobald) xxx Hansa Brandenburg D.I, 1:48, Eduard, $5.00 (Brent Theobald) xxx Fokker E.III Eindecker, 1:48, Eduard, $8.00 (Brent Theobald) xxx Fokker D.VII, 1:48, DML, $6.00 (Mack Harris) "Austro-Hungarian" Albatros (looks like a D.V but doesn't say), 1:48, Glencoe, $3.00 Albatros D.III (Werner Voss's on cover), 1:48, Glencoe, $3.00 xxx Fokker D.VIII, 1:48, DML, $9.00 (Myles epmyles@aol.com) xxx DFW-28 Floh, 1:48, Eduard, $8.00 ("Never Fighting Ladies" Series) (Myles epmyles@aol.com) Avro 504K, 1:48, Smer, $1.50 Salmson A-2, 1:48, Merlin Models, $3.00 Sopwith Camel, 1:48, Monogram, $1.50 xxx MkA Whippet Medium Tank, 1:35, Emhar, $9.00 (Bob Pearson) xxx Fiat 3000 mod. 21 Ia Tank, 1:35, Tauro Models, $5.50 (John Biskupski) Vac Kits Gotha GIV, 1:72, Rare Plane Vacforms, $1.50 Sopwith 7F1 Snipe, 1:48, Combat Models, $3.00 Sopwith Swallow, 1:48, Tom's Modelworks, $3.00 LFG Roland C.II Walfisch, 1:48, Sierra Scale Models, $3.00 xxx LFG Roland D.II Haifisch, 1:48, Sierra Scale Models, $3.00 (Myles epmyles@aol.com) ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 13:51:08 -0600 From: "Mark Shannon" To: Subject: re: Contact! Message-ID: <<<<>>>> a lot of news. Whew! Greg. Good luck on your studies and welcome back. I know I made models even in grad school on a relax and survive basis. However, I did not have the internet available to do any drive-by mailing like yours! On your questions: The Voss cowl was pinkish red, olive green, and chrome yellow polka-dots on a black-gray background, of course. Pink tapes should be applied to the wings of baby girl airplanes, blue to baby boy airplanes, sheesh! As to where Vegamite really comes from, I think it really does have to do with babies, output, and toxic waste dumps - plus a pinch of salt for food value. As to Michael K.'s evil twin, we can't tell - no one has seen either Herr Bittner or his impostor. .Mark. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 12:24:41 -0800 From: "Nikboy" To: Subject: Re: old kits Message-ID: <00e101c2c7d4$748bac20$5ed50644@sd.cox.net> Brent, Well, sometimes it does take....something....and you hold your breath. When flying r/c, I, and others, will let very experienced pilots do the initial flight...simply because you have so much emotion invested into the model, it is hard to control it properly. An expert pilot, who didn't build it, doesn't worry, except for concern for crashing your model. Usually, there is a brief conversation that goes something like this: Builder: "Hey, would you mind test flying this superscale 1/12 Fokker Dr1 that I just finished and spent 2,000 hours detailing?" Expert Pilot: "Hey, No problem! But you know I don't take any responsibility if it crashes." Builder: "That's Ok..................................." Then, the really expert pilot says: "First, lets take a close look at your plane and check it out. Geez, you did a magnificent job of building! That is gorgeous!" Nick > Brent said: > Welcome aboard Nick. I like to see more free flight modelers join the > list. I still am not sure how ya'll can work so hard on a model and > then launch it into the air. > > Yikes!!! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 20:42:09 -0000 From: "Nigel Rayner" To: Subject: RE: Aviatiks Message-ID: <000301c2c7d6$e4e77ce0$983bedc1@w1o0t3> Peter wrote: >Go figure...for some weird reason, I'm enamored of the Berg D.I; to me >it's simply one of the best-looking aircraft of the period (even if the >wings did fall off a little bit in a dive...); I'm with you on that one Peter. I really like A-H aircraft of the period. I guess it's the combination of interesting colour schemes and "diferent" designs. I did the first Flashback Berg issue in the lozenge finish and I'm currently working on the Choroszy DI in 1/72 in the "serrated" late war scheme. I plan to get the Special Hobby Lloyd CV and a few Roden Oeffag Albatri and go completely A-H mad! It didn't help that I got the FMP A-H Army Aircraft of WWI as an Xmas present. This is a great source of inspiration. Cheers, Nigel R ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 20:42:11 -0000 From: "Nigel Rayner" To: Subject: RE:Tom Morgan's DH2 in Windsock Message-ID: <000401c2c7d6$e5b0e760$983bedc1@w1o0t3> Tom wrote: >Nigel - you guys on that side of the pond have a 2 or 3 week advantage over >us colonials & rebels - re. WindSock that is. Seems so. As I was reading the issue I thought it's a bit late (arriving late Jan), which was why I felt someone may have commented already. But it appears I have the privilege of being the closest listee to Chez Rimell, and even get this ahead of folks like Steve Cox that inhabit the frozen wastes of the middle(ish) part of England. >I send several dozen photos to >Ray to chose from, but I have my favorites (the ones that don't show the >hidden flaws) and I hope they turned out OK. They turned out great. They have reproduced really well and there are *43* pics in this issue (yes, you heard me right, 43 pics!) and there's still more next issue. >Your report is flattering and >encouraging! Afraid not, I was toning down the praise so you didn't get big headed :-) This model really is something, you and Lance (with his Felixstowe) have produced some major works of art. My only "criticism" is that MisterKit PC10. It really doesn't do PC10 for me, but dicta ira as we always say. >It's going to drive me nuts waiting to see it all in print. Good! It's only fair that you get driven a bit nuts in return for driving us nuts with your great work! I still keep looking at the pics and thinking it must be a 1/28 kit. Thanks for sharing and glad to see you're still on the list. What's next for you? Cheers, Nigel R ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 18:59:13 -0000 From: "Len Smith" To: Subject: Re: Buzzards? Message-ID: <000401c2c7d7$07be4000$be5c08c3@oemcomputer> Matt, Rosemont did indeed produce a vac of a Martinsyde aircraft, but it was an Elephant not a Buzzard. Slight difference in size. Regards Len. lensmith@clara.net http://home.clara.net/lensmith ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matt Bittner" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2003 11:13 AM Subject: [WWI] Re: Buzzards? > > Didn't Rosemont do one years ago? I don't see it listed > currently on their site, but I thought they did one in vac. > > > Matt ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 15:55:16 -0500 From: rewing@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: S.E.5a Special Message-ID: <026D1D40.75845E2A.0006AD18@aol.com> With the interest lately on the S.E.5a, I wanted to let everyone know that "Flying Scale Models"(Vol.6, No.36)has a special out. It includes: 1. The S.E.5a described... 2. Detail drawings and schematics in 1/40 scale 3. Flying colours (Bob Pearson does better) 4. Flying the S.E.5a by Andy Sephton 5. 79 detail photos of every nook and cranny of the S.E.5a 6. and finally, a full size 1/12 scale plan for a free flight model using an 0.75cc engine. Enjoy!!! ~Rick~ List Librarian ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 22:09:48 +0100 From: "Hans Trauner" To: Subject: Re: The Voss cowl conspiracy - was Made out like a Message-ID: <003801c2c7da$c1e1e4c0$e6a272d4@FRITZweb> It comes from Deck, like a deck on a ship. Dreidecker , Zweidecker, Eindecker. Hans ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sean Brian Kirby" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2003 8:00 PM Subject: [WWI] Re: The Voss cowl conspiracy - was Made out like a > > --- Hans Trauner wrote: > > Another famous examples is Eindekker ( = Eindecker). > > > Okay, 'Eindecker.' But isn't it 'Dreidekker?' Or have > I misread and screwed it up? :( > > ===== > www.pitpass.com > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. > http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 16:22:13 -0500 From: SSH To: Subject: Re: A Couple of Questions Message-ID: <20030129212334.A680B46412A@mail.mailsnare.net> Rick, I have the FE2b datafile at home. If I recollect, it has a drawing of the radiator from the tech manuals. Let me know if you would like a scan of it. Also, I did a fair amount of research on the FE2b, so I may be able to help with other questions. regards Sanjeev ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 07:42:54 +1000 From: "Shane Weier" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Site update: Roden Albatros DIII in-progress Message-ID: Diego > >Shane Weier sends in photos of progress on his 1:72 Roden Alb D.III. > >Good one! But what's that scalpel cut on the cowling? I'm sure it is >for >some late purpose, like preparing an attachment point for rigging >or such, right? ,-) :-( I forgot to mention it in the text. In fact, it's the consequence of old eyes, poor light and no magnification when I was trimming parts at work. I managed to caut a flat on the edge of the part which shows up as a flaw on teh photo. My intention was to note that the fault was *mine* not Rodens! I had the airbrush cranked up last night for another purpose and blew some black paint onto the model (which has been sitting masked and ready for some time) and removed the masking at 5am this morning. Looking good - or rather looking "cool" - though there are faults. Shane ******************************** My Strine is a Toad in Disguise ******************************** _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 16:53:31 -0400 From: Daniel Hayward To: Subject: Re: New updates Message-ID: >> Added a new Siemens Schukert model from Dan Hayward. > > Well done Hayward!Nice weathered look. Did you used oil washes? > D. > Diego, Thanks! I did add a little wash of black around some of the details just to make them pop out from all that red. Dan ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 07:51:38 +1000 From: "Shane Weier" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Aviatiks Message-ID: Peter pops up out of semi lurk and says: > >Beautiful model of a not so beautiful aircraft (excuse me, but these > > >aviatik crates never seduced me!) > > >Go figure...for some weird reason, I'm enamored of the Berg D.I; to me >it's simply one of the best-looking aircraft of the period I wouldn't go quite so far myself, but I'm inclined to prefer the angular types and those with many external details over the streamlined look of Albatros and Pfalz. The angular machines have something to catch the eye and remain in the mind, the others, like a bar of wet soap, slip through the fingering tendrils of thought and diappear. >Trim only one half? Scrap the kit decals and get >something else? Or, since I'm obviously into punishing myself with >painting small things, should I just hand-paint the lozenge? Of >course, >Shane's sponge-mottling is another intriguing option... Aside form hand painted hex and autumn leaf, they appeared in serrated bands and geographic bands (to use Marty O'Connors terms) so you have still more choices. *I* have two more 1/48 kits and one 1/72 kit, so I plan on trying all the options. Should be done right about my 170th birthday too Shane ******************************** My Strine is a Toad in Disguise ******************************** _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 07:54:43 +1000 From: "Shane Weier" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Modeller added to site Message-ID: Sanjeev says: > Ross Moorhouse sends in photos of his A7V and his Albatros D.III. >build progress. >Excellent engine! It is - way better than mine. It's a good thing he took photos too, because all but the very top is going to disappear forever if mine are any indication Aren't we a masochistic bunch? Shane ******************************** My Strine is a Toad in Disguise ******************************** _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 16:27:08 -0500 From: "tsollers" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Blue Max ribs Message-ID: <200301292156.h0TLtL523161@mail.bcpl.net> Sorry folks. Our email server crashed not long after I sent out the request. Apologies for the delayed response. Thanks to all that replied. Good thoughts. I'll be pursuing them in my continuing experiments. > For the ribs (as opposed to the tapes), one way is glue thread to the > wing surface, then sand this flat. The technique is described on the > Site; take a look at Tom Morgan's DH2 wings. Indeed, Tom's DH2 is exquisite! Yes, I started with Tom Morgan's technique a few weeks ago. I'm using silk suture thread. It does yield a very nice consistent raised line. Where I got into trouble though was trying to blend the thread at the lead and trailing edges. Sanding produced fuzzy tufts. I've been treating these areas with addition CA but am not entirely pleased with the result yet. In a second attempt I even sawed tiny grooves in the wing. At the trailing edges I sawed little slots that the thread would feed into. This worked much better, but again, during the subsequent priming and sanding to blend the ribs the dreaded fuzzies appeared. >Alternatively, masking off > all but the rib and spraying with a thick paint is another possibility; > I think RK did that on his HP 0/400. I have done this both ways and can > attest that while both methods work, they are a fair amount of bother. Along the same lines, I've more recently been experimenting using Chartpak ruling tapes as a mask and applying Magi-Sculpt Epoxy putty in between. The Chartpak tapes are fairly thick and have a nice clean edge. After the Magic-Sculpt cures I remove the tapes. I'm left with a hard strip of epoxy material of a uniform height bonded to the plastic. I have then been spraying auto body primer and sanding between coats to blend and feather the ribs. Generally, I've been pleased with the results. IMHO it provides an acceptable rib and taught fabric effect. The main problem is maintaining a uniform gap between the tapes so that each rib is exactly the same width. > Pedro and I have been through a lengthy discussion of the tapes, and I > think we are both convinced that ordinary decal film, either under or > over the color coat, is an excellent way to simulate tapes. Agreed. Here's a question though... the wing I'm working on is a DR.I. Did DR.Is have rib tapes? I don't see any clear evidence in photos. The ribs just seem to disappear as they approach the plywood leading edge. > > I believe my own approach to a BM wing would be to sand the underside > only down to the proper thickness, preserving the topside detail > unchanged. I would then recreate the underside tapes using ink, pencil > (or both), or decals. Agreed. Perhaps Mr. Ganon's rib technique will remain one of the great unsolved mysteries of the modern world. Tom ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 23:12:58 +0100 From: "Grzegorz Mazurowski" To: Subject: Re: Aviatiks Message-ID: <009001c2c7e3$94d0a300$0200a8c0@grzesiek> Hi! > I wouldn't go quite so far myself, but I'm inclined to prefer the angular > types and those with many external details over the streamlined look of > Albatros and Pfalz. The angular machines have something to catch the eye and > remain in the mind, the others, like a bar of wet soap, slip through the > fingering tendrils of thought and diappear. I like both - sometimes. I like Aviatik and Halberstadt D, but also love Roland D.II, which is extremely streamlined. > Aside form hand painted hex and autumn leaf, they appeared in serrated bands > and geographic bands (to use Marty O'Connors terms) so you have still more > choices. *I* have two more 1/48 kits and one 1/72 kit, so I plan on trying > all the options. Should be done right about my 170th birthday too In fact much more. For example Fokker-streaked (well described in the Datafile), and the new JaPo book shows so many incredible camouflages. BTW, I love Aviatik D.I!!!!! Cheers! G. ***************r-e-k-l-a-m-a************** Chcesz oszczedzic na kosztach obslugi bankowej ? mBIZNES - konto dla firm http://epieniadze.onet.pl/mbiznes ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 09:14:33 +1100 From: "Ross & Wendy Moorhouse" To: Subject: RE: Modeller added to site Message-ID: <006001c2c7e3$d0fc8970$314e2dcb@future> Just have a little bit of filling to do and drill out the end of the main gun and then the paint will go on her. I wish Emhar had molded the hull in one bit. Cheers Ross -----Original Message----- From: wwi@wwi-models.org [mailto:wwi@wwi-models.org] On Behalf Of Pedro N. Soares Sent: Thursday, 30 January 2003 2:34 AM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [WWI] RE: Modeller added to site Hey Ross, Great stuff. Go paint the Tank, It's really asking for it. and then build the aircraft around the engine.... Pity most of the wonderful engine will be hidden once in place and I suspect you will also have to cut quite a bit from the engine block in order for it to fit. Well done, mate Pedro ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 09:16:01 +1100 From: "Ross & Wendy Moorhouse" To: Subject: Re: Modeller added to site Message-ID: <006101c2c7e4$04f59730$314e2dcb@future> True that I have a fixation with detailing the engine but when you can take a photo of it before its fitted I like to do a good paint job on it. Cheers Ross -----Original Message----- From: wwi@wwi-models.org [mailto:wwi@wwi-models.org] On Behalf Of Diego Fernetti Sent: Thursday, 30 January 2003 3:31 AM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [WWI] Re: Modeller added to site Well done Ross! Now you are bound to modify the kit cowl to swo up this nice detailed engine. You and that bloke Eddy must have some sort of fixation on detailing engines. Ces Aussies sont fous! D. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 09:16:48 +1100 From: "Ross & Wendy Moorhouse" To: Subject: Re: Modeller added to site Message-ID: <006201c2c7e4$20fede00$314e2dcb@future> The bottom of the crank case hasn't been painted too well as that wont be seen at all. Cheers Ross -----Original Message----- From: wwi@wwi-models.org [mailto:wwi@wwi-models.org] On Behalf Of Shane Weier Sent: Thursday, 30 January 2003 8:57 AM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [WWI] Re: Modeller added to site Sanjeev says: > Ross Moorhouse sends in photos of his A7V and his Albatros D.III. >build progress. >Excellent engine! It is - way better than mine. It's a good thing he took photos too, because all but the very top is going to disappear forever if mine are any indication Aren't we a masochistic bunch? Shane ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 08:18:23 +1000 From: "Shane Weier" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Aviatiks Message-ID: Grzeg says: >In fact much more. For example Fokker-streaked (well described in the >Datafile), and the new JaPo book shows so many incredible camouflages. > >BTW, I love Aviatik D.I!!!!! I'd never have guessed ;-) You're right - I forgot the streaked finish - not that I'd use it on an Aviatik because it's so associated with Fokker in my mind. I just *must* get the JaPo book - it sounds like an excellent inspiration Shane ******************************** My Strine is a Toad in Disguise ******************************** _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 22:51:11 +0000 From: dave.fleming@dial.pipex.com To: Subject: Re: Roden's SE5a versions Message-ID: <1043880671.3e385adfcf937@netmail.pipex.net> Quoting Shane Weier : > Michael > > >As I eagerly await the arrival of the Roden SE5a, I am wondering what > >the > >different versions are. I know Wolsey and Viper engines are two > variants > >but there is a third top fusealge variation for yet another. >What is > >that? > > Mine will arrive tomorrow but my *guess* based on the small pic on > Rodens > site is that maybe onehas the bulged cockpit sides > Possibly for post war or maybe a Skywriting one? > >Any 2-seater SE5a's? > > Not on that sprue, but the RAAF converted SE-5a's to dual control - had > to > be after 1921 though and therefore ot ;-) > Didn't Barry do a two seater SE5a Fuselage at one point? (BTW if he did, and anyone has one they don't need, or would swap for a Rosemont Two seat Camel fuselage I'd be interested!) Dave Fleming ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 22:59:14 +0000 From: dave.fleming@dial.pipex.com To: Subject: OT Mag Content Message-ID: <1043881154.3e385cc2843a6@netmail.pipex.net> Just got the February 2003 issues of SAM and SAMI, OT modelling content in both. In SAM (the original) Paul Lloyd converts the Revell 1/28th DR1 into Voss' F1 (steering clear of any cowl controversy, he paints it olive and says that he couldn't find any evidence to contrary). Does an very thin, light coat of streaky olive over turquoise for the cam scheme which does look 'silver blue'. In SAMI, we have a Nicholas Wigram (I think) build of the Eduard 1/48thAlbatros Dv (or Va - can't recall which) Haven't studied either magazine in detail Must fly dave ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 17:24:01 -0600 From: "Thomas Solinski" To: Subject: Re: S.E.5a Special Message-ID: <019c01c2c7ed$821fe4a0$9eb40c44@ok.cox.net> PSSST Rick I scooped you on this about a month ago! Musta needed repeating, HOWEVER THE NEWEST Flying Scale Models to hit here in the US has a great bunch of similar data on the Halberstadt fighters MrT ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2003 2:56 PM Subject: [WWI] S.E.5a Special > With the interest lately on the S.E.5a, I wanted to let everyone know that "Flying Scale Models"(Vol.6, No.36)has a special out. It includes: > 1. The S.E.5a described... > 2. Detail drawings and schematics in 1/40 scale > 3. Flying colours (Bob Pearson does better) > 4. Flying the S.E.5a by Andy Sephton > 5. 79 detail photos of every nook and cranny of the S.E.5a > 6. and finally, a full size 1/12 scale plan for a free > flight model using an 0.75cc engine. > Enjoy!!! > ~Rick~ > List Librarian ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 17:33:31 -0600 From: "Thomas Solinski" To: Subject: Re: which is right Message-ID: <01eb01c2c7ee$d57d55a0$9eb40c44@ok.cox.net> Matt, I had a look over at Shanes pictures, and my old aircraft mechanic brain says the floor in the Austrailian airplain is METAL! The lower sidewalls could be either wood or stained linnen. The trouble with colored dopes is that the color penetrates the fabric to some extent. So in this case you see PC-10 on the outside and what ever pigment made it through to the inside. Or even a more devistating explanation is that the bird has been recovered at one time ( heavens forbid) with Stits covering system, and that muddy red IS the right color for the Stits fabric UV protecitve layer. HTH YMMV MrT ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken Schmitt" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2003 9:25 AM Subject: [WWI] Re: which is right > Matt- > > The > > one in the DS shows the lower fuselage to be CDL, while Shane's > > photo shows the lower fuselage to be wood (this is inside the > > cockpit). Which is right? > > If you are referring to what one sees from inside the cockpit, modeler's > POV, the stitching is a dead give-away: CDL. It's fabric. > Mark's 3D work, listed on site has frame studies of this. > If you are referring to under fuselage color, it is 'typically' PC-10 or > PC-12 (later). The wings and stab were CDL, under. This is out of SE 5a Sq. > df special. > > I'd like to know what that bit under the engine panel, below the manifold & > pipe is: sheet, wood or fabric (The section that gathers to the nose, side, > lower). > hth. > > Ken > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 23:42:20 +0000 From: xtv16@dial.pipex.com To: Subject: Re: Roden's SE5a versions Message-ID: <1043883740.3e3866dcb40b8@netmail.pipex.net> > Quoting Shane Weier : > > > Michael > > > > >As I eagerly await the arrival of the Roden SE5a, I am wondering what > > >the > > >different versions are. I know Wolsey and Viper engines are two > > variants > > >but there is a third top fusealge variation for yet another. >What > is > > >that? > > > > Mine will arrive tomorrow but my *guess* based on the small pic on > > Rodens > > site is that maybe onehas the bulged cockpit sides > > > http://www.rodenplant.com/IMG/045/ramka2.gif Looking again at the pic, I think the third one (lowest on the pic) is for American SE5as - note the bulge/vent over the Vickers, which was only found on US SE5s Dave Fleming ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 4961 **********************