WWI Digest 4954 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Fokker F.I (was Re: Re: Made out like a bandit) by Sean Brian Kirby 2) Re: The Voss cowl conspiracy - was Made out like a bandit by Sean Brian Kirby 3) Re: Made out like a bandit by Sean Brian Kirby 4) RE: New updates by Daniel Hayward 5) Re: 5 color lozenge data by "Thomas Solinski" 6) Re: New at the Roden Site by tbittners@sprintmail.com (Matt Bittner) 7) The Perfect Solution to the Voß Conundrum by Sean Brian Kirby 8) Re: New at the Roden Site by pfalzdvii@att.net 9) Re: The Voss cowl conspiracy - was Made out like a by Sean Brian Kirby 10) RE: New tooling for the 1/72 Dr I by Revell by dave.fleming@dial.pipex.com 11) Re: Fokker F.I (was Re: Re: Made out like a bandit) by Sean Brian Kirby 12) Re: Spoked wheel qn/ans #2 by Tom Plesha 13) Re: New at the Roden Site by "Shane Weier" 14) Re: New at the Roden Site by "Shane Weier" 15) RE: Breguet XIV A2 ""PHOTO Version ? by RadspadMike@netscape.net 16) Re: 5 color lozenge data by "Shane Weier" 17) Re: New at the Roden Site by "Shane Weier" 18) RE: Breguet XIV A2 ""PHOTO Version ? by RadspadMike@netscape.net 19) RE: New tooling for the 1/72 Dr I by Revell by "Shane Weier" 20) RE: Breguet XIV A2 ""PHOTO Version ? by "Shane Weier" 21) RE: Breguet XIV A2 ""PHOTO Version ? by "Lance Krieg" 22) Re: New at the Roden Site by "Matt Bittner" 23) Re: New at the Roden Site by "Shane Weier" 24) Re: The Voss cowl conspiracy - was Made out like a by "Hans Trauner" 25) Re: New at the Roden Site by "Matt Bittner" 26) New update by "Matt Bittner" 27) Re: New at the Roden Site by "Lance Krieg" 28) Re: New at the Roden Site by "Shane Weier" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 11:53:13 -0800 (PST) From: Sean Brian Kirby To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Fokker F.I (was Re: Re: Made out like a bandit) Message-ID: <20030127195313.59448.qmail@web14808.mail.yahoo.com> --- Matt Bittner wrote: > Actually everything that makes it an F.I vs. a Dr.I. > Ailerons > are wrong in the Eduard kit for the F.I (Rosemont > gives you a > whole new upper wing), cowl shape and finally the > horizontal > tail. Don't look to Roden, either. They only thing > they "fixed" > were the ailerons, the cowl and horizontal tail are > still in > error. I'll add just a little. The cowl is more shallow. The F.1 featured the early-type ailerons, which are included in the Roden kit. The lower-wing skids are not present on the F.1. (Which was only flown by the best of the best.) Finally, the horizontal stabiliser's leading edge is eliptical, on the F.1, dramatically different from the regular production configuration. Rosemont's set is clean and reasonably priced, and is designed for the Eduard kit. He also makes an F.1 conversion for the DML Dreidekker. Hope that helps... Sean ===== www.pitpass.com __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 11:55:58 -0800 (PST) From: Sean Brian Kirby To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: The Voss cowl conspiracy - was Made out like a bandit Message-ID: <20030127195558.44023.qmail@web14812.mail.yahoo.com> --- xtv16@dial.pipex.com wrote: > there is a variation - the cowls came from the > Factory in natural metal, and > were painted 'on site' - Red for MvR's F1. Yellow > for Voss Makes sense to me. ;) Regarding the yellow tail - didn't seem like an (aesthetically) attractive option, but if it's accurate, it's accurate. Sean ===== www.pitpass.com __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 12:01:51 -0800 (PST) From: Sean Brian Kirby To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Made out like a bandit Message-ID: <20030127200151.45940.qmail@web14812.mail.yahoo.com> --- Dennis Ugulano wrote: > Sigh, I guess I didn't follow or see the > message that the Eduard > kit has a problem. It looks like a beautiful out of > the box kit. What > needs to be fixed? Dennis, The Eduard kit IS gorgeous, and builds up into a very nice standard Dr.1. Guess it's easier for them to let a resin-caster correct the small inaccuracies than to retool for what amounted to a small handful of (undoubtedly significant) pre-production aircraft. Sean ===== www.pitpass.com __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 15:11:42 -0400 From: Daniel Hayward To: Subject: RE: New updates Message-ID: Pedro said: "Again I'm amazed by your treatment of the old airfixes. Well done Fernando." Ditto! Nice work Fern. Wow, too, Dan. Smashing prop, btw Thanks, glad you enjoyed seeing it! Dan ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 14:09:08 -0600 From: "Thomas Solinski" To: Subject: Re: 5 color lozenge data Message-ID: <000a01c2c63f$f361afe0$9eb40c44@ok.cox.net> ----- Original Message ----- From: "MARK MILLER" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2003 9:11 AM Subject: [WWI] 5 color lozenge data > Hi all > I just added an article I put together on the various > interpretations of the 5 color lozenge scheme. > > http://www.wwi-models.org/misc/Colors/German/loz2/index.html > >Mark, I thoroughly enjoyed your work and am looking forward to the next editions. Another good new work on lozenge was published in the Nov/Dec 2001 edition of Flying Scale Models out of England. On page 53-57 Ron Moulton , like you compares several remaing samples and reports. One interesting point in his article is that he overlays several samples for the size of he hexigons and besides the colo(u)rs being different the hex patterns vary somewhat too. If you can't find a copy of this I'll try to get a scan of it to you . MrT ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 14:01:01 -0600 (CST) From: tbittners@sprintmail.com (Matt Bittner) To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: New at the Roden Site Message-ID: <200301272001.h0RK11K92671@king1.kingsnake.com> Lance Typed: > Believe it or not, I actually built a 1/72 SE5a in years past (it lost > to Mike Fritz's DH2 in the 1983 IPMS Nationals, parenthetically). In > the course of that build, I did file little triangular holes in the wing > and stick in pulleys, and it was NOT worth the trouble - too hard to > keep them of even sizes and shapes in freehand sanding.. > > I eventually scrapped the approach and used black decal slivers, which > were infinitely more gratifying to the eye. If Roden supplies ones that > are too large, cannot they be shrunk to size with three strokes of the > knife? Or new ones made with decal film that ARE the right size, albeit > without the little picture of the pulley? Thanks for the ideas, Lance. Since the "stitching", or whatever is holding the cellon down is molded on, maybe some brush work would be good. Maybe also paint some silver where the cellon would be. Just thinking out loud... Matt ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 12:16:19 -0800 (PST) From: Sean Brian Kirby To: WWI List Subject: The Perfect Solution to the Voß Conundrum Message-ID: <20030127201619.56049.qmail@web14805.mail.yahoo.com> Picture this: A diorama. Mechanic stands, brush in left hand, other hand on chin, staring down at two paint cans, one dark olive green, one 'Chromgelb.' The cans lie before the turquois Dreidekker, the cowl still in natural metal. Worth a shot, eh? :) Sean ===== www.pitpass.com __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 20:20:53 +0000 From: pfalzdvii@att.net To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: New at the Roden Site Message-ID: <3E308DB90015ABC8@mta3.wss.scd.yahoo.com> (added by postmaster@mail.san.yahoo.com) John Bernier, whose work you may be familiar with, did just that with the 1/48 Eduard Sop Pup, the pulley and wire are easy, a bit if sprue or tube and a bit of wire going around the tube, and a plastic sheet triangle 'holder. John covered his with white glue, it was ok, but a clear epoxy or .005 plastic, or tape 'window' would have been better, IMHO. FWIW -- Merrill Your Madness May Vary > > Looks like Roden has an in-house modeler, as there are images of a > completed SE5a in their Gallery. > > You can see the decals for the "pulley areas" in the wings, and I think I > agree with Shane (shock!). The decals just don't look "right". > > However, how would one go about modeling this? Do you think you would > scrape out the area, add a "faux pulley and wire", then fill with Kleer, > or...? Is it worth the trouble? > > > Matt Bittner > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 12:23:26 -0800 (PST) From: Sean Brian Kirby To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: The Voss cowl conspiracy - was Made out like a Message-ID: <20030127202326.86277.qmail@web14806.mail.yahoo.com> --- Hans Trauner wrote: > Richtofen, Eindekker, Balkankeruz, Eisern Kreutz, > Werkenumber, Albatrose, > Panzers ..... Der Ritterkreuz des Eisernen Kreuzes mit Eichenlaub, Schwerten, und Brillianten. (Oops - "ot," wasn't that?) Sean Post-Script: and isn't there another "f" in "von Richthofen?" As well as another "m" in... aw heck, how do you spell that?!? ===== www.pitpass.com __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 20:25:48 +0000 From: dave.fleming@dial.pipex.com To: Subject: RE: New tooling for the 1/72 Dr I by Revell Message-ID: <1043699148.3e3595cc41195@netmail.pipex.net> Quoting Shane Weier : > > Go look at Hyperstale or r.m.s. You'll easily find hundreds of > modellers > who'll accept anything Tamiya or Hasegawa gives them - even when > beautifully > moulded but palpably inaccurate. Yeah, but dare to try and critisize them! >Roden is a byword for illfitting even > "unbuildable" crap for many on Hyperscale for example. Maybe Saint Harry was right about 'modellers' and 'kit assemblers'. just too ealy and a little off in his definitions! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 12:26:34 -0800 (PST) From: Sean Brian Kirby To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Fokker F.I (was Re: Re: Made out like a bandit) Message-ID: <20030127202635.53499.qmail@web14812.mail.yahoo.com> --- Dennis Ugulano wrote: > Thank you. That kit just went on the shelf > for a while. Maybe > down the road I will buy the Rosemont fix. Well, Dennis, I should be headed up there in the next week or three. Should I pick one up for you? :) Sean ===== www.pitpass.com __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 12:29:46 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Plesha To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Spoked wheel qn/ans #2 Message-ID: <20030127202946.41539.qmail@web40304.mail.yahoo.com> Sanjeev- Thanks for your kind words. Good luck and any questions please feel free to send them. .. Later Tom --- SSH wrote: > Tom, > Thanks for the detailed explanation of the > process. I finally > did understand most of it, ... I think. > Using a .020 sq piece to align the parallel > spokes was a brilliant > idea! > I am adapting some of your ideas for my wheel, > and I will let you > know how it turn out. > Thanks again > Sanjeev > > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 07:35:45 +1000 From: "Shane Weier" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: New at the Roden Site Message-ID: Matt, >You can see the decals for the "pulley areas" in the wings, and I >think I >agree with Shane (shock!). Doctor ! Doctor ! I think somethings wrong with my eyesight ! >However, how would one go about modeling this? Do you think you would >scrape out the area, add a "faux pulley and wire", then fill with >Kleer, >or...? Is it worth the trouble? My biggest problem with the Roden solution wasn't that the decals would look naff, but that they seemed too big. I do thik it's a viable solution though, especially if the modeller takes some trouble to differentiate the "clear" bit (perhaps by different sheen) I dare say that it'd be possible to do what you suggest in 1/72 - I did it on a 1/48 BM kit that I subsequently dropped - but I doubt if I'd try it myself. Getting too small for *me* to do well and I suspect that the law of diminishing returns would bite me. Shane ******************************** My Strine is a Toad in Disguise ******************************** _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 07:46:44 +1000 From: "Shane Weier" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: New at the Roden Site Message-ID: Lance says: >If Roden supplies ones that >are too large, cannot they be shrunk to size with three strokes of the >knife? Good idea but bad execution. They're definitely way too large and worse the "window" section is white, or too light, in colour. Looking ar the real thing you see a rather dingy little window which is dark inside despite the CDL on teh opposite side, and a pulley which isn't white with a black circle outline. Frankly, IF I had to use them, I'd overcoat with at least a couple of coats of Tamiya smoke - and maybe some thinned clear yellow to make them look grey and dull. Then reduce teh size as much as possible which will also remove the faux black surrounds. Or..... >Or new ones made with decal film that ARE the right size, ....would probably be easier. I'll probably do this myself Shane ******************************** My Strine is a Toad in Disguise ******************************** _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 16:49:55 -0500 From: RadspadMike@netscape.net To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: RE: Breguet XIV A2 ""PHOTO Version ? Message-ID: <5ED220D1.04DD9C1E.3E0364A1@netscape.net> VMA324Vagabonds@aol.com wrote: >HI TECH >Aircraft kits (injection) >HIT48XIV 1:48 "Breguet XIV A2 ""PHOTO Version? > >Any one have this kit, is it called the Photo version because it was used to take reconnaissance photo's? If so, does it have the camera (s) included? Also if you do have the kit what are your thoughts on it? Thanks I'm not the best person to address this but I do have both the Breguet 14A2 and 14B2 kits and I don't see that anyone else has answered you yet. I did not find a camera in my 14A2 kit. I don't know what it looks like or where it was mounted or stowed. I didn't find a camera in the kit drawings nor in the FMP French Aircraft of WWI book. Someone with sharper eyes than mine may have spotted a camera in the FMP photos. There is a bracket on the starboard fuselage side between the pilot's and observer's cockpits in some photos. I don't know if it was for a camera or a wind-driven generator or pump or whatever. If you have the Breguet 14B2 kit, the wings sprue, the tail pieces sprue, the PE and the resin pieces are the same. The fuselage halves are the same as the 14B2, except they have no windows in the observer's compartment. However, the kit drawings indicate a window in the starboard side of the observer's compartment. I didn't see one in any 14A2 photos so maybe it's left in error in revising the drawings from the 14B2 kit? The 14A2 kit also includes additional lower wings so that you can do the early version (short) or late version (longer). The undercarriage struts were white metal in the 14B2 kit and are plastic, included on the fuselage sprue in the 14A2. Kit quality is the same as for most Hi Tech kits. The kit box bottom is made from reversed Nie. 24/27 box top that I guess were left over. IIRC, DB built the 14B2 kit so he and others who have done so are better qualified to give their thoughts on the kit. HTH, Mike Kavanaugh __________________________________________________________________ The NEW Netscape 7.0 browser is now available. Upgrade now! http://channels.netscape.com/ns/browsers/download.jsp Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 07:53:20 +1000 From: "Shane Weier" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: 5 color lozenge data Message-ID: Tom S says: >Another good new work on lozenge was published in the Nov/Dec >2001 edition of Flying Scale Models out of England. On page 53-57 Ron >Moulton , like you compares several remaing samples and reports Everyone kneel and salaam. For those who don't recognise the name Ron Moulton was editor of Scale Models in the heyday of that magazine. It was RG Moulton who introduced the soon to be team of Harry Woodman, Ian Stair and Ray Rimell to the modelling world and for that I'm profoundly gratefull since it led to Albatros Publications and *probably* to the end of the great WW1 model drought and today's cornucopia. (Yes, Airfix Magazine had Harry and RLR too, but not the way SM did) Shane ******************************** My Strine is a Toad in Disguise ******************************** _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 07:55:37 +1000 From: "Shane Weier" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: New at the Roden Site Message-ID: Matt says: >Thanks for the ideas, Lance. Since the "stitching", or whatever is >holding the cellon down is molded on, maybe some brush work would be >good. > Maybe also paint some silver where the cellon would be. > Too bright, too bright >Just thinking out loud... Me too. My kit has just been ordered - should get it Thursday but I won't get to build it until about 2009 :-( Shane ******************************** My Strine is a Toad in Disguise ******************************** _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 17:03:30 -0500 From: RadspadMike@netscape.net To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: RE: Breguet XIV A2 ""PHOTO Version ? Message-ID: <38EAEB53.23BE2E41.3E0364A1@netscape.net> Has anyone heard anything recently as to when Albatros (Windsock) may do a Breguet 14 datafile, or for that matter, when Wylam will be publishing his Breguet 14 book? I would like to have some good references before I start the Hi-Tech kits because I understand they require some corrections. TIA, Mike Kavanaugh __________________________________________________________________ The NEW Netscape 7.0 browser is now available. Upgrade now! http://channels.netscape.com/ns/browsers/download.jsp Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 08:05:05 +1000 From: "Shane Weier" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: RE: New tooling for the 1/72 Dr I by Revell Message-ID: 'ming says: > >Roden is a byword for illfitting even > > "unbuildable" crap for many on Hyperscale for example. > >Maybe Saint Harry was right about 'modellers' and 'kit assemblers'. >just >too early and a little off in his definitions! In *some* ways I'm inclined to use similar definitions myself, though *not* in a disparaging sense like a well known rec.models.scale identity does. At one time I called the people I'm thinking of "collectors" since they mainly like a collection of representative models - representative of types, or of countries, or of aces or some other theme - and didn't get their enjoyment from heroic struggle with less than perfect kits. (Had to change my definition, since the word "collector" is now disparaging despite the fact that most of us *are* kit collectors through overpurchase and undercompletion ;-) Incidentally, the dislike of Roden is some quarters was IMO largely caused by a model of a WW2 aircraft designed by a WW1 designer and according to the Luftwafflers it can't be built. That has meant a tough road for Roden in selling their first ot 1/48 kit I'm afraid because the assumption of poor quality sticks around (as Sean noted) Maybe they'll be inspired to stick with us :-) Shane ******************************** My Strine is a Toad in Disguise ******************************** _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 08:09:01 +1000 From: "Shane Weier" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: RE: Breguet XIV A2 ""PHOTO Version ? Message-ID: Mike >Has anyone heard anything recently as to when Albatros (Windsock) may do a >Breguet 14 datafile, or for that matter, when Wylam will be publishing his >Breguet 14 book? I would like to have some good references before I start >the Hi-Tech kits because I understand they require some corrections. RLR has mentioned it as in production. I'd *guess* that we might see it this year. Hope so. As wonderfull as the D.VII Anthologies are, I'm sick of German specials to the point I'd even approve a French one ;-) Shane ******************************** My Strine is a Toad in Disguise ******************************** _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 16:11:15 -0600 From: "Lance Krieg" To: Subject: RE: Breguet XIV A2 ""PHOTO Version ? Message-ID: In mulling this release, people are wondering about: "... a camera in my 14A2 kit. I don't know what it looks like or where it was mounted or stowed." Well, here is a Brequet camera being loaded onto the plane. As to where this beast might live, I wonder myself. Options must be limited: http://132.177.241.68/Photos/Fre/Bre14/lk_brg_4.jpg Personally, I'm waiting for anyu of the promised references on this plane before I try to build either version of Hi-Tech's kit. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 16:26:14 -0600 From: "Matt Bittner" To: "wwi@wwi-models.org" Subject: Re: New at the Roden Site Message-ID: On Mon, 27 Jan 2003 16:56:15 -0500 (EST), Shane Weier wrote: > Too bright, too bright So, maybe due something more with the PC-10 (can't believe I'm typing that in) to lighten it up? Or go with your "smoke" idea with a thin yellow overcoat? Can the Tamiya clear paints be used to any effect? > Me too. My kit has just been ordered - should get it Thursday but I won't > get to build it until about 2009 :-( I hear ya . Matt ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 08:37:49 +1000 From: "Shane Weier" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: New at the Roden Site Message-ID: Matt >So, maybe due something more with the PC-10 (can't believe I'm >typing that in) to lighten it up? Or go with your "smoke" idea >with a thin yellow overcoat? > >Can the Tamiya clear paints be used to any effect? Yes, and they'll be the ones I'd use I guess If..... Shane ******************************** My Strine is a Toad in Disguise ******************************** _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 23:45:26 +0100 From: "Hans Trauner" To: Subject: Re: The Voss cowl conspiracy - was Made out like a Message-ID: <000f01c2c655$c8f340a0$b6bd72d4@FRITZweb> Not bad, Sean, only two typos. Hans ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sean Brian Kirby" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Monday, January 27, 2003 9:25 PM Subject: [WWI] Re: The Voss cowl conspiracy - was Made out like a > > --- Hans Trauner wrote: > > Richtofen, Eindekker, Balkankeruz, Eisern Kreutz, > > Werkenumber, Albatrose, > > Panzers ..... > > > Der Ritterkreuz des Eisernen Kreuzes mit Eichenlaub, > Schwerten, und Brillianten. > > (Oops - "ot," wasn't that?) > > > Sean > > Post-Script: and isn't there another "f" in "von > Richthofen?" As well as another "m" in... aw heck, how > do you spell that?!? > > ===== > www.pitpass.com > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. > http://mailplus.yahoo.com > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 16:41:54 -0600 From: "Matt Bittner" To: "wwi@wwi-models.org" Subject: Re: New at the Roden Site Message-ID: On Mon, 27 Jan 2003 17:38:56 -0500 (EST), Shane Weier wrote: > >So, maybe due something more with the PC-10 (can't believe I'm > >typing that in) to lighten it up? Or go with your "smoke" idea > >with a thin yellow overcoat? > > > >Can the Tamiya clear paints be used to any effect? > > Yes, and they'll be the ones I'd use I guess Okay, stupid question time. How? How are you thinking of achieving this? Matt ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 16:42:19 -0600 From: "Matt Bittner" To: "wwi@wwi-models.org" Subject: New update Message-ID: Just added a Russian Civil War subject by Steven Perry, this time a Nieuport 27. Awesome! Matt Bittner WW1 Modeling Page Assistant Editor ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 16:46:06 -0600 From: "Lance Krieg" To: Subject: Re: New at the Roden Site Message-ID: Matt considers: "... go with your "smoke" idea with a thin yellow overcoat?" I think you'll be happier with gloss black. But I consider the likelihood of Matt actually finishing a PC10 plane so remote that we can safely relegate this entire discussion to the "pure fantasy" section! Lance ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 09:21:38 +1000 From: "Shane Weier" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: New at the Roden Site Message-ID: Matt > > Yes, and they'll be the ones I'd use I guess > >Okay, stupid question time. > >How? How are you thinking of achieving this? Now, when I suggested the use of "smoke" and "clear yellow" Tamiya paint I was discussing what to do if I *must* use the kit decals, and in that situation I'd coat them *off* the model and trim them hard before I added them. What I *will* do will depend on the depths of masochism to which I sink at the time. However, I'll probably mask a small triangle at each place, spray a grey which is lighter than the PC.10 then *drybrush* with a much darkened CDL mix. That should give a CDL triangle which looks dingy and darkens to grey around the edges. I'll use a Waldron punch to make a disk of decal in darker grey and after punching I'll dry brush the edges in darkish metal, apply the decal to represent the pulley and overcoat with future. Remove the mask, pray like hell it works. Bloody dinky scale. If badly AMS afflicted I'll do what I did on the 1/48 kit - drill a big round hole, insert a "spar and ribs", glue a piece of 5 thou card over the lower hole and 5 thou with a triangular hole cut using a template on top Shane ******************************** My Strine is a Toad in Disguise ******************************** _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 4954 **********************