WWI Digest 4950 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Bulgarian aircraft of wwi by Sean Brian Kirby 2) Re: Made out like a bandit by Sean Brian Kirby 3) Re: Bulgarian aircraft of wwi by Carlos Valdes 4) Omega Nieuport 21 Revisited by "Matt Bittner" 5) OT RN Monitors by Marc Flake 6) Re: Furiously flabbergasted by "Matt Bittner" 7) Re: Furiously flabbergasted by Sean Brian Kirby 8) New Rodens by "Matt Bittner" 9) Re:ad by Ken Schmitt 10) A great deal and circular illogic by "Steven Perry" 11) Re: New Rodens by "Matt Bittner" 12) Re: New Rodens by "Michael Kendix" 13) Re: Bulgarian aircraft of wwi by Steve Cox 14) Re: New Rodens by "Ross & Wendy Moorhouse" 15) Russian Aeroplanes by Tom Plesha 16) Re: A great deal and circular illogic by Ray 17) Site update: Nieuport build progress by ot811 18) Re: Site update: Nieuport build progress by Tom Plesha 19) Re: New Rodens by "Shane Weier" 20) Re: Furiously flabbergasted by "Shane Weier" 21) Re: Rev Off Topic Armor (was Re: RE: New tooling for the 1/72 Dr I by by "Shane Weier" 22) Kids modelling WAS: New tooling for the 1/72 Dr I by Revell by "Shane Weier" 23) RE: New tooling for the 1/72 Dr I by Revell by "Shane Weier" 24) Re: Made out like a bandit by "Shane Weier" 25) RFC book by Morg17ms@aol.com 26) Re: 5 color lozenge data by pfalzdvii@att.net ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 11:23:54 -0800 (PST) From: Sean Brian Kirby To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Bulgarian aircraft of wwi Message-ID: <20030125192354.20674.qmail@web14807.mail.yahoo.com> --- haywardd wrote: > I just got a catalog from www.scholarsbookshelf.com > that had all 4 volumes > of those books for $15 each. Thanks. Sean ===== www.pitpass.com __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 11:26:38 -0800 (PST) From: Sean Brian Kirby To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Made out like a bandit Message-ID: <20030125192638.82190.qmail@web14808.mail.yahoo.com> --- Dennis Ugulano wrote: I did pick up the Eduard Fokker F.1. Now I > can join the Voss > discussion on cowl color. Will it be green or will > it be yellow. What to > do, oh , what to do. Go get yourself a can of Tamiya Chrome Yellow. :) But don't spray it on the kit cowl; get yourself Barry's cool little F.1 correction set from Rosemont. In fact, I think I am going up there, next week. (I love the drive.) Sean ===== www.pitpass.com __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 14:29:49 -0500 From: Carlos Valdes To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Bulgarian aircraft of wwi Message-ID: <3E32E5AD.22D3C27@conted.gatech.edu> I just got the set on ebay for a total of $21, including shipping from Bulgaria. The seller also has the individual titles for a buy-it-now price of $5.01 on ebay, but shipping is extra. The link to all his items--some of them very interesting--follows. He also has these books and others listed on this site at a slightly higher price: http://www.bgbooks.net/h&m.html. http://cgi6.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewSellersOtherItems&userid=bou&include=0&since=-1&sort=3&rows=25 Carlos > Sean, > > I just got a catalog from www.scholarsbookshelf.com that had all 4 volumes > of those books for $15 each. > > Dan > > > From: Sean Brian Kirby > > Reply-To: wwi@wwi-models.org > > Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 12:12:12 -0500 (EST) > > To: Multiple recipients of list > > Subject: [WWI] Re: Bulgarian aircraft of wwi > > > > > > --- Zulis@aol.com wrote: > >>> It's a four-book set - which I just saw for sale > >> on > >>> eBay for about $26, last time I checked. Hmmmm... > > > > > > My room-mate is Bulgarian. (His grandfather saved King > > Boris' life twice.) Bulgarians are the nicest people > > in the world. And the girls are very pretty. Plus, > > their Holocaust record is amazing; they are great > > people. > > > > The series is said to run from 1892 to 1946. Suppose > > that's why the second book would be on WWI > > involvement. I personally wanna' get my hands on this > > series, now that I hear it's pretty good. > > > > > > Sean > > > > ===== > > www.pitpass.com > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. > > http://mailplus.yahoo.com > > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 11:46:03 -0600 From: "Matt Bittner" To: "wwi@wwi-models.org" Subject: Omega Nieuport 21 Revisited Message-ID: I have started on the Choroszy Nie.17 and was going through the rest of my Nieuport stash (well, minus most of the Revell kits ;-)). While some putty is drying on the inside of the Choroszy, I was looking hard at the Omega Nie.21. If you recall, I gave this one high marks when I first reviewed it. And it's still deserving! There are two things, though, I didn't notice from before. The first is the cowl. It's not correct as it's too small. Either make the front opening smaller ala Alberto, or wait (and wait...and wait...and wait...gee, has it been over three years?) for the Rosemont pieces. The second one really escaped the 'ol eyes. There are no "partial ribs" on the upper wing's upper side. You can either sand the whole wing and add all the ribs, or - better yet - turn this into an "early" Nie.17. Fill in the panel outlines on the forward, front fuselage and rescribe the new ones, then do a Pedro on the upper wing by opening up the center section and adding detail (but being sure to get the center the correct way for the "early" Nie.17). In fact, whenever I get to my Omega Nie.21s, this is exactly what I plan, especially since one of the Omega's I have, the upper wing broke in half during transit. In addition to those problems, there is still the problem with the fuselage. It has all the same problems as the Choroszy and the Revell fuselage - not deep enough in the rear, and no exhaust channel under the cowl. Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 13:35:52 -0600 From: Marc Flake To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: OT RN Monitors Message-ID: <3E32E718.2030609@airmail.net> 'Ming was looking for OT RN Monitors. HP Models (that prolific manufacturer I mentioned a couple of weeks ago) makes them. And NNT (www.nntmodell.com) lists three in their catalog. They are listed for 42 Euros (they have USD, but the USD been doing poorly against the Euro lately, so I don't trust the numbers on the screen as they aren't updated). Here are the ships names: HMS Lord Clive, HMS General Wolfe, and HMS Prince Eugene These may be available at Pacific Front (www.pacificfront.com), but I would call Bill Gruner first -- he's always way behind in his emails. He has them listed at $42 on his website. I talked to him a week ago and he says he has quite a few WW1 types in stock , but I didn't ask him specifically about the monitors. Marc Flake ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 13:41:50 -0600 From: "Matt Bittner" To: "wwi@wwi-models.org" Subject: Re: Furiously flabbergasted Message-ID: On Sat, 25 Jan 2003 12:52:57 -0500 (EST), Sean Brian Kirby wrote: > Okay, I have a question: If 1:48 is "Duplo Scale," > (and that IS funny, by the way), then what is 1:32, or > 1:28? Toe Scale, because it's so big you can build it with your toes. ;-) Matt ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 11:53:16 -0800 (PST) From: Sean Brian Kirby To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Furiously flabbergasted Message-ID: <20030125195316.92646.qmail@web14811.mail.yahoo.com> --- Matt Bittner wrote: > Toe Scale, because it's so big you can build it with > your toes. I fear my toes may be too clumsy. But I might give ita try sometime. And send photos. ;) Sean ===== www.pitpass.com __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 14:06:47 -0600 From: "Matt Bittner" To: "wwi@wwi-models.org" Subject: New Rodens Message-ID: A package from Roden arrived today. Their two latest - the Albatros D.V/Va and the SE5a. First, the SE5a. Nice kit! If this builds as well as it looks, it is no doubt Roden's best to date. As people have seen on the scans, there are three upper noses, plus there are extra horizontal tail pieces, bombs, two props and landing gear struts (didn't know there were different landing gear struts - but then again, it's British, so why would I ;-)). Molding is very nicely accomlished, and the cockpit looks "decent". I haven't looked through any references, but I thought the SE5a cockpit was quite "busy" - maybe I'm wrong. In any case, the only problems I could find (not counting outline errors, as I'm not looking for those) is a small "ripple" on the upper wing, on the underside port tip. Nothing some careful sanding won't take care of. Markings are for Claxton of No.41, Bishop of No. 85, and (of course) Mannock on No. 74. Now, onto the Albatros D.V/Va. Also nicely done, but not as nice as the SE5a. New fuselage (naturally) but the same wings as other Roden Albatros (and the same engine/gun fret as well - more Parabellums!!). Unfortunately this suffers from a number of surface flaws. First of all the texture is "grainy" and it appears there was some dust in the molds when molded (there appears to be a little bit of "dust" in the SE5a as well, but definitely not as wide spread). Getting the lower wing to fit is going to be tricky. Roden supplies a separate fuselage center section, to which the "regular" lower wings are to fit into. Definitely a hairy proposition. Luckily, though, there is no separate upper, forward fuselage piece, the fuselage being two halves of a "one piece" affair (minus the lower center section). Cockpit is nicely done, but not 100% accurate (in that all pieces are the same size throughout, and there isn't the mounting "plates" for the seat rods; no seat rods; no panel on the starboard side for the switches; no instruments; and the control column will need the Weier treatment). The engine cut-outs look nice, and the plumbing is there for it (which, if memory serves, Eduard doesn't provide). Markings are for Goering from J27, Richtofen's 1177/17 (mostly red), Schlieff from J56, Althaus from J10, von Dostler of J6, Mai of J5, and Richtofen's 4693/17. There are no lozenge decals. Unfortunately in both kits there are nasty sink marks in the cockpit that will take some careful cutting/sanding to remove, the worse being in the D.V. Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 14:31:17 -0600 From: Ken Schmitt To: Subject: Re:ad Message-ID: > > That HUGE book isn't meant to be read as a novel from begginig to end. It's > more like reading a poem book, to read an inspiring two or three pages and > then to dream.. I like a thin book because it will steady a table, a leather volume because it will strop a razor, and a heavy book because it can be thrown at a cat. -S. Clemens ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 16:15:48 -0500 From: "Steven Perry" To: Subject: A great deal and circular illogic Message-ID: <004f01c2c4b6$ef7c7c00$65a8a8c0@tampabay.rr.com> A used furnature place down the street was going out of business and I picked up a huge glass front display case. Five feet long and shelves a foot wide. Lighted with room for 2 more shelves. Nice light wood so the models are easy to see. I guess you'd call it a hutch or at least the top half of one. 25 bucks. :-) I wrastled it off the car and into the house myself. Thing's gotta weigh 150 lbs. BvB was gone and when she returned, she got all huffy because she thought I'd brought someone over to help me while the house was a wreck, (When ain't it;-). All my moaning about a broken back has convinced her. She says it serves me right because I should have called someone to help me. Lost me back at the turn, but it seems to make sense to her. Makes me wanna go generate styrene dust and paint smells. sp **************************************************************************** ************************************** There is something inherently warped about a society that forces it's modelers to work for a living. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 15:25:01 -0600 From: "Matt Bittner" To: "wwi@wwi-models.org" Subject: Re: New Rodens Message-ID: One thing I forgot to mention about the SE5a. It comes with clear "pieces". No, not injected, the same type of "film" you get with p/e to make instruments with. It appears that the clear is meant not only for the windscreen, but also for the cockpit cutout in front of the coaming. Neat! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 21:30:14 +0000 From: "Michael Kendix" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: New Rodens Message-ID: >From: "Matt Bittner" > >One thing I forgot to mention about the SE5a. It comes with >clear "pieces". No, not injected, the same type of "film" you >get with p/e to make instruments with. It appears that the clear >is meant not only for the windscreen, but also for the cockpit >cutout in front of the coaming. Neat! Damn, I jsut drooled all over the keyboard:)! Michael _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 21:46:51 +0000 From: Steve Cox To: Subject: Re: Bulgarian aircraft of wwi Message-ID: I tried this site, a search came up with three copies available in the USA, about $9 http://www.bookfinder.com/ regards Steve =========================================== steve@oldglebe.freeserve.co.uk http://www.oldglebe.freeserve.co.uk/steveshome.html http://www.bramptonscalemodelclub.fsnet.co.uk If I didn't spend so much time on line ‹‹ I'd get some models finished ================ > From: Sean Brian Kirby > Reply-To: wwi@wwi-models.org > Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 14:24:45 -0500 (EST) > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: [WWI] Re: Bulgarian aircraft of wwi > > > --- haywardd wrote: > >> I just got a catalog from www.scholarsbookshelf.com >> that had all 4 volumes >> of those books for $15 each. > > > Thanks. > > > Sean > > ===== > www.pitpass.com > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. > http://mailplus.yahoo.com > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 08:59:43 +1100 From: "Ross & Wendy Moorhouse" To: Subject: Re: New Rodens Message-ID: <000301c2c4bd$145a4b00$f5482dcb@future> Mine should come next week from Earl. Thanks Matt for the run down on the Se5a. I do like the idea of the clear film. Cheers Ross -----Original Message----- From: wwi@wwi-models.org [mailto:wwi@wwi-models.org] On Behalf Of Michael Kendix Sent: Sunday, 26 January 2003 8:31 AM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [WWI] Re: New Rodens >From: "Matt Bittner" > >One thing I forgot to mention about the SE5a. It comes with >clear "pieces". No, not injected, the same type of "film" you >get with p/e to make instruments with. It appears that the clear >is meant not only for the windscreen, but also for the cockpit >cutout in front of the coaming. Neat! Damn, I jsut drooled all over the keyboard:)! Michael _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 14:02:32 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Plesha To: wwi Subject: Russian Aeroplanes Message-ID: <20030125220232.82779.qmail@web40312.mail.yahoo.com> Received my copy of Russian Aeroplanes 1914-1918 from Icarus today. Looks good and appears to be well worth it. There are some really interesting aircraft in it. Later Tom __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 14:20:19 -0800 From: Ray To: wwi@wwi-models.org, "Steven Perry" Subject: Re: A great deal and circular illogic Message-ID: <200301251420.19142.Ray_Boorman@telus.net> On Saturday 25 January 2003 13:16, Steven Perry wrote: >BvB was gone and when she returned, > she got all huffy because she thought I'd brought someone over to help me > while the house was a wreck, (When ain't it;-). All my moaning about a > broken back has convinced her. She says it serves me right because I should > have called someone to help me. Lost me back at the turn, but it seems to > make sense to her. Makes me wanna go generate styrene dust and paint > smells. Steven, your trying to understand the impossible. I long ago figured out I didnt understand SWMBO type logic (logic really isnt the word). Therefore I dont listen a lot of the time and take my lumps for not listening as its just easier...... ;) Ray ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 17:19:21 -0500 From: ot811 To: wwi-list Subject: Site update: Nieuport build progress Message-ID: <20030125222123.5DAA34640D0@mail.mailsnare.net> Pedro Soares sends in more build progress photos of his Nieuport. See http://www.wwi-models.org/Images/Soares/Nieuport/index.html or news. Allan, I think I clobbered your update to the news file. I hope I fixed it. regards Sanjeev ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 14:37:03 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Plesha To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Site update: Nieuport build progress Message-ID: <20030125223703.85801.qmail@web40312.mail.yahoo.com> Pedro- Very Nice effects. The tapes, struts and especially the center section really stand out. I think your stitching looks good. Later Tom --- ot811 wrote: > Pedro Soares sends in more build progress photos of > his Nieuport. > See > http://www.wwi-models.org/Images/Soares/Nieuport/index.html > or news. > Allan, > I think I clobbered your update to the news > file. I hope I fixed > it. > regards > Sanjeev > > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 11:54:10 +1000 From: "Shane Weier" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: New Rodens Message-ID: Michael says: > >One thing I forgot to mention about the SE5a. It comes with > >clear "pieces". No, not injected, the same type of "film" you > >get with p/e to make instruments with. It appears that the clear > >is meant not only for the windscreen, but also for the cockpit > >cutout in front of the coaming. Neat! > >Damn, I jsut drooled all over the keyboard:)! Placed my order with Earl already, should get the kits come Wednesday, slow because of the public holiday. Can't wait though God alone knows when I'll actually build it. Shane ******************************** My Strine is a Toad in Disguise ******************************** >From: "Michael Kendix" >Reply-To: wwi@wwi-models.org >To: Multiple recipients of list >Subject: [WWI] Re: New Rodens >Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 16:30:51 -0500 (EST) > > >From: "Matt Bittner" > > > >Michael > >_________________________________________________________________ >The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* >http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 12:38:53 +1000 From: "Shane Weier" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Furiously flabbergasted Message-ID: Matt says: >Lorna, definitely looking forward to your build of this. It >should definitely be stunning. Absolutely amazing in fact ;-) >Okay, next person who calls 1/72nd scale "teeny scale" or >anything derogatory like that will be forced to build one of the >planes in the Furious kit, with a full cockpit and full - to >scale - rigging. :-P``` Unlike Lorna, of course, who has to build ALL of them to that standard. And I shall expect proper Sopwith turtledeck/longeron treatment, corrected exhaust channels and turnbuckles in the rigging. Otherwise StY and that shippie crowd will be accusing her of slacking Shane ******************************** My Strine is a Toad in Disguise ******************************** _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 12:40:30 +1000 From: "Shane Weier" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Rev Off Topic Armor (was Re: RE: New tooling for the 1/72 Dr I by Message-ID: Sean says: >I have the Revell steel-wheeled Tiger I; it is quite a >model. They have a new T-34? I'm there, dude. :) You really *are* bucking for position of list heretic aren't you ? Shane ******************************** My Strine is a Toad in Disguise ******************************** _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 12:51:06 +1000 From: "Shane Weier" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Kids modelling WAS: New tooling for the 1/72 Dr I by Revell Message-ID: Sean says: > > His sisters too - same reaction. I can't move in the > > library at the moment > > because there are two card tables set up so all > > three of them can model at > > the same time as I do. > > >You're a lucky, lucky man. Hope the modelling bug >catches on with the youth in my family! :) I hope it does too, and I hope my three either stay with it (and I'm fairly sure my son will) or at least retain their appreciation of modelling in adulthood. That way, some modellers may get a SWMBO who really understands. As for luck - yes, but not entirely. All three have watched me since they could walk, and been given models to *play* with at age 5. I've *never* told them they "must" do anything, but kids are fantastic imitators, and it didn't take long before thay asked me why I sand or putty or mask and wanted to try themselves. As I type this one of the girls is masking along the edges of a seam on a (gack - suck and blow aircraft) preparatory to puttying the seam. *I* didn't suggest it - she knows it makes it easier to sand afterwards and reduces the damage from puttying. BEST of all - both girls have claimed superseded Testors Nieuport 17 kits from my stash as next builds. they want to try a model(Chloes words - "a real aeroplane") with rigging. Now *that's* my kids! Shane :-( Sudden thought ! Nieuports ! ******************************** My Strine is a Toad in Disguise ******************************** _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 12:58:13 +1000 From: "Shane Weier" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: RE: New tooling for the 1/72 Dr I by Revell Message-ID: Sean >Okay, okay, I used to work in the industry, I >understand the bit about money-making. (Witness the >continued releases of yet more Bayerische >Fluegzeugwerke Ein-Hundert-Neunen... not to mention >all those Pintos and Freakin' Wolves.) And that is >part of my point - seems to me they might want to >corner a money-maker, as opposed to copying one. It seems like you only got half of my point. Trying again - it's crucial that they *do* have a viable copy of a money spinner, because of issues to do with brand loyalty. Shane ******************************** My Strine is a Toad in Disguise ******************************** _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 13:16:21 +1000 From: "Shane Weier" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Made out like a bandit Message-ID: Sean says: > I did pick up the Eduard Fokker F.1. Now I > > can join the Voss > > discussion on cowl color. Will it be green or will > > it be yellow. What to > > do, oh , what to do. > > >Go get yourself a can of Tamiya Chrome Yellow. :) But >don't spray it on the kit cowl; get yourself Barry's >cool little F.1 correction set from Rosemont. In fact, >I think I am going up there, next week. (I love the >drive.) I suspect that since no-one (me included) has given you a straight answer about the subject of Voss' cowl I'll have to. 1. No the cowl wasn't yellow 2. No the cowl wasn't Olive 3. Yes, it might have been one or the other but NO-ONE has unarguable evidence of either state 4. This goes double for anyone claiming to deduce the shade of colours from B&W photos, Dan San Abbott included 5. People get altogether too het up about this subject and it causes flame wars and bad blood. 6. Now you know why no-one talks about it on list except by using words like "possibly but who knows" or avoid the issue altogether 7. Build yours however you like! 8. If you wish to argue about it, go offlist or over to the other WW1 site where there's always plenty of ego stroking waiting to reemerge 9. Yes, I did see the smiley, but believe me, it ain't worth it Shane ******************************** My Strine is a Toad in Disguise ******************************** _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 22:54:03 EST From: Morg17ms@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: RFC book Message-ID: <160.1ab7a8e7.2b64b5db@aol.com> --part1_160.1ab7a8e7.2b64b5db_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Just finished one of the best OT books that I have read in a couple of years: The Royal Flying Corps in World War I by Ralph Barker, 1995, 2002, Constable & Robinson ISBN 1-84119-470-0 A GREAT read, all 500 pages of it - goes very quickly and is delightfully written. Learned more than a few new things OT and I highly recommend it. My copy is paper back and well worth the price. Much insight into the operation and daily life/death of the RFC (not RNAS) at all levels. I was especially glad to see a lot of emphasis on those aircraft and crew who were NOT scouts - didn't have to be 'glorious' to be interesting and heroic. Tom Morgan --part1_160.1ab7a8e7.2b64b5db_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Just finished one of the best OT books that I have read in a couple of years:

       The Royal Flying Corps in World War I
       by Ralph Barker, 1995, 2002, Constable & Robinson
       ISBN 1-84119-470-0

A GREAT read, all 500 pages of it - goes very quickly and is delightfully written.  Learned more than a few new things OT and I highly recommend it.  My copy is paper back and well worth the price.  Much insight into the operation and daily life/death of the RFC (not RNAS) at all levels.  I was especially glad to see a lot of emphasis on those aircraft and crew who were NOT scouts - didn't have to be 'glorious' to be interesting and heroic.

Tom Morgan --part1_160.1ab7a8e7.2b64b5db_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 04:53:17 +0000 From: pfalzdvii@att.net To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: 5 color lozenge data Message-ID: <20030126045322.FDKZ9286.mtiwmhc11.worldnet.att.net@mtiwebc18> Wow! Mark, I should never be amazed at what you can do, but that was fantastic, thoughtful, too Many Thanks -- Merrill Your Madness May Vary > Hi all > I just added an article I put together on the various > interpretations of the 5 color lozenge scheme. > > http://www.wwi-models.org/misc/Colors/German/loz2/index.html > > I was hopeing to be able to come up with something > definitive, but, as many here could have predicted. > was not succsesful. > I even tried interpreting bw photo data. > what a mess, couldn't make any sense of it at all. > > But, FWIW, I decided that the colors used on the > Halberstadt restoration were "best" > No solid evidence to support this conclusion > just a hunch ;-) > Mark > > ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 4950 **********************