WWI Digest 4945 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Help with the English Language by "Shane Weier" 2) Re: for the gander by Ken Schmitt 3) Re: Help with the English Language by "Shane Weier" 4) Re: for the gander by "Ross & Wendy Moorhouse" 5) Re: trouble in Hobbiton by Ken Schmitt 6) Re: Help with the English Language by Sean Brian Kirby 7) Bulgarian aircraft of wwi by Zulis@aol.com 8) New Update by "Matt Bittner" 9) Re: New Update by Eric GALLAUD 10) Re: Future layers by Crawford Neil 11) RE: New tooling for the 1/72 Dr I by Revell by Crawford Neil 12) Re: Future layers by Ray 13) Re: Future layers by Crawford Neil 14) RE: Polish Goworek D.III chapter by "Pedro N. Soares" 15) Mr. Magoo by "M.G. Sheftall" 16) Re: Mr. Magoo by janah@att.net 17) Another Update by "Matt Bittner" 18) 1/72 Wright flyer by dave.fleming@dial.pipex.com 19) Re: Another Update by "Steven Perry" 20) Save Money on Conference Calls by "Telcom center" 21) RE: Polish Goworek D.III chapter by "Michael Kendix" 22) RE: 1/72 Wright flyer by Crawford Neil 23) RE: 1/72 Wright flyer by "Shane Weier" 24) RE: 1/72 Wright flyer by "Steven Perry" 25) RE: 1/72 Wright flyer by Crawford Neil 26) Re: Wings With Wires by "John J Ernst" 27) Re: New Update by Allan Wright 28) RE: 1/72 Wright flyer by "Paul Schwartzkopf" 29) Anatra Anade by tbittners@sprintmail.com (Matt Bittner) 30) RE: Anatra Anade by Crawford Neil 31) Ha-Bra B.I pics added to site by SSH 32) RE: Anatra Anade by "Pedro N. Soares" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 11:28:24 +1000 From: "Shane Weier" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Help with the English Language Message-ID: Ray says: >Fag was a public school word (to those of you in the US a public >school is >actually a private school such as Eton, not the local government run school >as it is in the US). Anyway a fag is the lowly 1st year type (7th grader) >who has to do errands and clean up after the 5th and 6th formers (12 grade >in the US). In other words the fag is in US vernacular a gofer. Correct. Obviously he hasn't read "Tom Brown's Schooldays" or Flasman for that matter... Shane ******************************** My Strine is a Toad in Disguise ******************************** _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 19:35:25 -0600 From: Ken Schmitt To: Subject: Re: for the gander Message-ID: Michael: > You can buy H.P. sauce, which has a picture of the > Houses of Parliament on the bottle's label. Surely you jest. "Nay. And stop calling me Shirley" bottom... Ken ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 11:35:10 +1000 From: "Shane Weier" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Help with the English Language Message-ID: Dave #what? says: >In WWI, though, >to the troops a "fag" was also a cigarette (and that term is still in >use in the UK AFAIK) Still is in Australia too, though the impact of Hollyweird on our culture lead to some sniggering by the easily amused at school after statements like "he was behind the bike sheds sucking on a fag" Shane ******************************** My Strine is a Toad in Disguise ******************************** _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 12:38:20 +1100 From: "Ross & Wendy Moorhouse" To: Subject: Re: for the gander Message-ID: <001d01c2c349$49f531f0$f5482dcb@future> Roger. Over Done.. Cheers Ross -----Original Message----- From: wwi@wwi-models.org [mailto:wwi@wwi-models.org] On Behalf Of Ken Schmitt Sent: Friday, 24 January 2003 12:35 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [WWI] Re: for the gander Michael: > You can buy H.P. sauce, which has a picture of the > Houses of Parliament on the bottle's label. Surely you jest. "Nay. And stop calling me Shirley" bottom... Ken ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 19:44:14 -0600 From: Ken Schmitt To: Subject: Re: trouble in Hobbiton Message-ID: Matt! > Don't know if anybody scrolled beyond the Balloon D.VIIs tsk. and I was so happy for y'all little fellers.... ; ) What times are these when scale fiends can say "Ni" to defenseless old ladies... -Sir Robin, HP, DDS, PhD, COD, FWIW, AFAIK, SWMBO, CT, ESQ, Brig. ret., fag. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 17:51:21 -0800 (PST) From: Sean Brian Kirby To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Help with the English Language Message-ID: <20030124015121.77185.qmail@web14804.mail.yahoo.com> --- Shane Weier wrote: > Still is in Australia too, though the impact of > Hollyweird on our culture > lead to some sniggering by the easily amused at > school after statements like > "he was behind the bike sheds sucking on a fag" Sean ===== www.pitpass.com __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 21:28:32 -0500 From: Zulis@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Bulgarian aircraft of wwi Message-ID: <552237B6.1B2EA668.000121E7@aol.com> Greetings! Well, another book has hit my mailbox. I wasn't going to even mention this one until I saw some of the pics, and then decided to tell you folks about it. "Air Power of the Kingdom of Bulgaria - Part II" by Dimitar Nedialkov Cannot find any publisher (listed in english) or ISBN. This is Part II - the one covering World War One. To visualize this book, think of the "In Action" series.... about the same thickness, and the same 21 x 28 cm format. The text is in both Bulgarian and English, 60 pages with about 78 photos, on good glossy paper. No GAs included, and one rather uninspiring profile of a Roland D.II on the back cover (I guess I am getting spoiled by all the good profile work being done by the folks around here). The good news - some cool photos. A number of the photos, if the neg quality permits, are printed full-page, which reveals a lot of detail. One in particular features an Otto C.I and all the details are as plain as day - the rigging, turnbuckles, attachment points, undercarriage, and even some engine detail. Another, almost as good, features an Albatros C.III. You have to be a bit careful about the captions. On page 40 they mis-identify an AW FK3 as being an FK8 (and again on pg.46 when it has been repainted in Bulgarian/German markings) and I caught at least one more error with just a quick skim through, but this is the first time I have seen any of these photos, so I am still pleased. Most of the planes are ex-German, so if any of you serial number trackers were wondering whatever happened to Otto C.I #1115/15... um, we found it (and others). There is also a listing of the types (14 in all) flown by Bulgaria during the war - I can provide this list to anyone who requests it, off-list. (Zulis@aol.com) I bought mine on ebay, but I noticed that it is available from the Scholar's Bookshelf for $15 and probably from many other sources, too. Regards, Dave Z (Dave #13) I ordered Sanger's Nieuport book this morning... should be here in a few days... I am back to my "book of the week" routine. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 21:08:18 -0600 From: "Matt Bittner" To: "wwi@wwi-models.org" Subject: New Update Message-ID: Bill Arnold sends in two more stunning models - a Fokker D.VIII and an Albatros W.4. I see that Sanjeev is updating the site, so I'll wait until tomorrow morning to update the News page. I'm going to bed. ;-) Matt Bittner WW1 Modeling Page Assistant Editor ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 05:49:30 +0100 From: Eric GALLAUD To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: New Update Message-ID: <3E30C5DA.3050301@club-internet.fr> Very nice Bill, I especially like your Albatros W4. How did you modify the radiators ? I didn't understand very well, my English is not always good enough ;-) Eric Matt Bittner a écrit: >Bill Arnold sends in two more stunning models - a Fokker D.VIII >and an Albatros W.4. > > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 07:00:17 +0100 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: Re: Future layers Message-ID: I was going to say that too, but didn't dare, thought it might be regarded as over-cautious! If I don't have a competition coming up, I'd certainly wait a week. Though to be honest, the only time I've had any problem with Future was when I did all the coats of varnish and paint, in the same one-night bash. /NeilC. > Ray - I leave future for a week before doing anything with > oil based paints. > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 07:33:16 +0100 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: RE: New tooling for the 1/72 Dr I by Revell Message-ID: I certainly agree, and when the time comes, I will probably do my Tripe all red. What a waste of resouces though, two good triplanes already, and there wasn't even a lot wrong with Revells old one, and we get yet another one! OTOH if they do the same for their Ni17 I wouldn't complain, don't need the Spad any longer, Eduard are sorting that out. /Neil C. I think a rather bizarre > looking airplane, > red over all, is still attractive on the shelves. > > Hans > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 23:53:21 -0800 From: Ray To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Future layers Message-ID: <200301232353.21387.Ray_Boorman@telus.net> I get paranoid once I actually get that far in a model. I think the law of averages are going to catch up on me and I'll screw something up. Hence the wait. Though much like you the only time future went wrong for me, I used it over metallic silver. Something I did caused the future to not harden properly for days. Ray On Thursday 23 January 2003 22:03, Crawford Neil wrote: > I was going to say that too, but didn't dare, thought it might > be regarded as over-cautious! If I don't have a competition > coming up, I'd certainly wait a week. > Though to be honest, the only time I've had any problem with > Future was when I did all the coats of varnish and paint, in the same > one-night bash. > /NeilC. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 08:53:54 +0100 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: Re: Future layers Message-ID: Yes that last coat of varnish really makes life exciting doesn't it! /Neil C. I get paranoid once I actually get that far in a model. I > think the law of > averages are going to catch up on me and I'll screw something > up. Hence the > wait. Though much like you the only time future went wrong > for me, I used it > over metallic silver. Something I did caused the future to not harden > properly for days. > Ray > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 09:17:52 -0000 From: "Pedro N. Soares" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: RE: Polish Goworek D.III chapter Message-ID: <12AEB3D996DDD311B98A00508B6D75B302965D47@TUFAO> The Japo Book has some good shots IIRC. I have it at home. LMK Pedro > -----Original Message----- > From: Michael Kendix [mailto:mkendix@hotmail.com] > Sent: sexta-feira, 24 de Janeiro de 2003 1:10 > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: [WWI] Polish Goworek D.III chapter > > > I have borrowed the Goworek book that contains a chapter on > the Albatros > Oeffag D.III but I cannot see anything showing a cockpit > interior. Am I > overlooking something? > > Michael > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 18:22:32 +0900 From: "M.G. Sheftall" To: Subject: Mr. Magoo Message-ID: <002e01c2c38a$23443150$1f4f07d3@yourmjz5hbs8mp> Anyone remember the old British guy on Mr. Magoo sometimes who would tale preposterous tales about various adventures he supposedly had in his youth? They had a great WWI segment on that once, too (story was almost as outrageous as MAJ Barker true Snipe story). This may even predate the Scooby Doo episode. The planes were rather minimalist, if memory serves, but there were plenty of handlebar mustaches and scarfs flapping in the breeze (which is what REALLY counts, anyway, right?). ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 10:42:46 +0000 From: janah@att.net To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Mr. Magoo Message-ID: <20030124104247.UDN5584.mtiwmhc13.worldnet.att.net@mtiwebc19> I seem to recall "The World of Commander McBragg". I was thinking it was part of Bullwinkle. Cyg. > Anyone remember the old British guy on Mr. Magoo sometimes who would tale > preposterous tales about various adventures he supposedly had in his youth? > They had a great WWI segment on that once, too (story was almost as > outrageous as MAJ Barker true Snipe story). > > This may even predate the Scooby Doo episode. The planes were rather > minimalist, if memory serves, but there were plenty of handlebar mustaches > and scarfs flapping in the breeze (which is what REALLY counts, anyway, > right?). > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 05:06:26 -0600 From: "Matt Bittner" To: "wwi@wwi-models.org" Subject: Another Update Message-ID: Tom Plesha sent in two more images of his in-progress Lohner B.II. Stunning!! Matt Bittner WW1 Modeling Page Assistant Editor ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 11:30:35 +0000 From: dave.fleming@dial.pipex.com To: Subject: 1/72 Wright flyer Message-ID: <1043407835.3e3123db7b45d@netmail.pipex.net> Who was looking for a 1/72 Wright Flyer? http://www.hlj.com/cgi-perl/hljpage.cgi?AEBA003 $65 USD/£40 GBP/60 Euros/ $A110 Not for me at that price! Dave Fleming ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 06:55:34 -0500 From: "Steven Perry" To: Subject: Re: Another Update Message-ID: <002301c2c39f$8152d160$65a8a8c0@tampabay.rr.com> > Tom Plesha sent in two more images of his in-progress Lohner > B.II. Stunning!! No wonder it's taking yo so long. Outstanding work on what I found to be the hardest kit I ever built. You go Boy! sp ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 03:55:16 -2000 From: "Telcom center" To: Subject: Save Money on Conference Calls Message-ID: <00007e3a6557$00001f12$00004edb@mx.dial.oleane.com>
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------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 12:11:26 +0000 From: "Michael Kendix" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: RE: Polish Goworek D.III chapter Message-ID: Pedro: Yes, I have that, thanks. Michael >From: "Pedro N. Soares" >Reply-To: wwi@wwi-models.org >To: Multiple recipients of list >Subject: [WWI] RE: Polish Goworek D.III chapter >Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 04:20:53 -0500 (EST) > >The Japo Book has some good shots IIRC. I have it at home. LMK > >Pedro > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Michael Kendix [mailto:mkendix@hotmail.com] > > Sent: sexta-feira, 24 de Janeiro de 2003 1:10 > > To: Multiple recipients of list > > Subject: [WWI] Polish Goworek D.III chapter > > > > > > I have borrowed the Goworek book that contains a chapter on > > the Albatros > > Oeffag D.III but I cannot see anything showing a cockpit > > interior. Am I > > overlooking something? > > > > Michael > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* > > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > > _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 13:21:47 +0100 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: RE: 1/72 Wright flyer Message-ID: Me neither, and to be critical, what exactly is it a model of? Something that probably never existed, I doubt if the Wright flyer was ever completely assembled without fabric. As a basis for skinning possibly, but it would probably be easier to just make a set of wings using the HW method, and then you'd have a model of a genuine Wright flyer. /Neil C. > > Who was looking for a 1/72 Wright Flyer? > > http://www.hlj.com/cgi-perl/hljpage.cgi?AEBA003 > > $65 USD/£40 GBP/60 Euros/ $A110 > > Not for me at that price! > > Dave Fleming > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 22:58:16 +1000 From: "Shane Weier" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: RE: 1/72 Wright flyer Message-ID: Neil the elk retainer says: >Me neither, and to be critical, what exactly is it a model of? >Something that probably never existed, I doubt if the Wright flyer >was ever completely assembled without fabric. As a basis for skinning >possibly, but it would probably be easier to just make a set of wings >using the HW method, and then you'd have a model of a genuine Wright >flyer. Does a model *have* to be of a specific moment in the existence of a particular airframe? What if the purpose of teh model is to illustrate the construction of the original, rather than how it appeared in total, or when under mainenance or part way through construction? I'm thinking here of some of the wonderfull box dioramas I've seen of Albatrosses with the ply skin and fabric off, yet almost everything else attached. Frankly, the fuselage is a semi monocoque and would probably break in two, and would in any case never be seen like that because the skin was not removable for maintenence,but the model in it's workshop is a reasonable way to display a model which is intended to show how the aircraft was *made* not how it *looked* Shane ******************************** My Strine is a Toad in Disguise ******************************** _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 08:04:25 -0500 From: "Steven Perry" To: Subject: RE: 1/72 Wright flyer Message-ID: <003301c2c3a9$1f2b0e80$65a8a8c0@tampabay.rr.com> This is from the same Japaneese fellow that did the skeletal Donkey someone posted the other day. They are more sculpture than scale model. I built the 1:160 scale Taube. These kits are extraordinarally well engineered. They are etched out of thicker metal than the PE parts we fool with. They build up in an incredibly short time. I made mine as a gift for my aviation buff/non-modeler Stepfather. He absolutely loved it. They are perfect for gifts (especially the less expensive 1:160 line.) If you have ever had an ot "present" model clogging your workbench for way longer than you wanted it to, these are an excellent alternative. They are pricey, but when you figure you get a beautiful, very impressive model for an afternoon of easy assembly, they do make good sense as gifts. Tax return time here and the local pusher has a rack of them, so I expect I'll pick up one or two. sp > Me neither, and to be critical, what exactly is it a model of? > Something that probably never existed, I doubt if the Wright flyer > was ever completely assembled without fabric. As a basis for skinning > possibly, but it would probably be easier to just make a set of wings > using the HW method, and then you'd have a model of a genuine Wright > flyer. > /Neil C. > > > > > Who was looking for a 1/72 Wright Flyer? > > > > http://www.hlj.com/cgi-perl/hljpage.cgi?AEBA003 > > > > $65 USD/£40 GBP/60 Euros/ $A110 > > > > Not for me at that price! > > > > Dave Fleming > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 14:08:03 +0100 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: RE: 1/72 Wright flyer Message-ID: Shane the potential Elk slaughterer wrote: > > Does a model *have* to be of a specific moment in the existence of a > particular airframe? What if the purpose of teh model is to > illustrate the > construction of the original, rather than how it appeared in > total, or when > under mainenance or part way through construction? > Thats a reasonable point. I should have added "IMHO". I was going to write that I don't like models of things that didn't exist, but then I got to thinking of some rather nice sci-fi stuff I've seen, so OK, someone else is welcome to build one of these! /Neil C. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 08:10:05 -0500 From: "John J Ernst" To: "WWI Digest" Subject: Re: Wings With Wires Message-ID: Earlier in the week I asked if anyone had any dealings with WwW, and Bob Pearson responded that they had been prompt in their dealings with him...(thanks Bob). FWIW I placed an order on Thursday morning, and received confirmation today (Friday) that the shipment was sent THE SAME DAY THE ORDER WAS PLACED, priority mail. Both WSDF were listed as "in stock" on their website, and in fact, both were in stock when ordered. Also, they have great prices on WSDF, although as of now, they don't offer the complete collection. In case you're not aware, here's the address... http://www.wingswithwires.com/ john ernst ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 08:13:06 -0500 (EST) From: Allan Wright To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: New Update Message-ID: <200301241313.IAA37158@mustang.sr.unh.edu> Looking good Bill! Thanks for the update Matt (and Sanjeev). Check the news page - I also did some updates on Thursday I forgot to tell the list about. Al > > Bill Arnold sends in two more stunning models - a Fokker D.VIII > and an Albatros W.4. > > I see that Sanjeev is updating the site, so I'll wait until > tomorrow morning to update the News page. I'm going to bed. ;-) > > > Matt Bittner > WW1 Modeling Page > Assistant Editor > > > =============================================================================== Allan Wright Jr. | Without love life's just a long fight - Southside University of New Hampshire +-------------------------------------------------- Research Computing Center | WWI Modeling mailing list: wwi@wwi-models.org Internet: aew@unh.edu | WWI Modeling WWW Page: http://www.wwi-models.org =============================================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 07:41:05 -0600 From: "Paul Schwartzkopf" To: Subject: RE: 1/72 Wright flyer Message-ID: An exact model of the *original* first flight Flyer is not achievable, as it was completely destroyed by high winds at Kittyhawk after making only four flights. Since the Wrights constructed each consecutive aircraft incorporating changes and improvements, no model can accurately reflect this specific history maker. The lack of accurate plans/prototype is the problem plaguing the attempts of those constructing full size replicas for the 100th anniversary this coming December. In other words, "close" is only good in horseshoes, hand grenades, and Wright Flyers. Paul -----Original Message----- From: Crawford, Neil Me neither, and to be critical, what exactly is it a model of? Something that probably never existed, I doubt if the Wright flyer was ever completely assembled without fabric. As a basis for skinning possibly, but it would probably be easier to just make a set of wings using the HW method, and then you'd have a model of a genuine Wright flyer. /Neil C. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 08:31:00 -0600 (CST) From: tbittners@sprintmail.com (Matt Bittner) To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Anatra Anade Message-ID: <200301241431.h0OEV0M55129@king1.kingsnake.com> Does anybody know if there has ever been a kit of the Anatra Anade, or Anatra type D? It appears there were quite a number made, and it would be nice if there was a kit. Then again, maybe until the appearance of _Russian Aeroplanes_ there weren't any scale plans (not knowing if the FMP IRAS tome has any in it). Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 15:47:45 +0100 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: RE: Anatra Anade Message-ID: FMP-IRAS has excellent drawings, much better than the French tome. /Neil C. > Then again, maybe until the appearance of _Russian Aeroplanes_ there > weren't any scale plans (not knowing if the FMP IRAS tome has > any in it). > > > Matt Bittner > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 09:47:40 -0500 From: SSH To: wwi-list Subject: Ha-Bra B.I pics added to site Message-ID: <20030124144904.D7AEC4640E0@mail.mailsnare.net> Pedro Soares sent in pics of the Aero Ae-10 at Kbely museum in Prague. See http://www.wwi-models.org/Photos/AH/HB_B1/index.html or news regards Sanjeev ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 14:51:53 -0000 From: "Pedro N. Soares" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: RE: Anatra Anade Message-ID: <12AEB3D996DDD311B98A00508B6D75B3029908B9@TUFAO> (not knowing if the FMP IRAS tome has > any in it). > Matt, I'm at work and faraway from my references but I think that the FMP IRAS book has 3 views of the Anade. But I may be wrong..... anyone cares to confirm? One thing I noticed in the FMP A-H and IRAS books is that they gave different dimensions for the Anasal. I wonder what's in the new book regarding this one... I'm going to order it one of these days, but USD 15 for airmail when the book costs USD 25.... and then I have to hope Mr. customs man doesn't play tricks on me...Wish they could send it by e-mail.... > Matt Bittner > > ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 4945 **********************