WWI Digest 4937 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) RE: speaking of SPADs by "Pedro N. Soares" 2) Re: Eduard's SPAD 13 - redoux by Crawford Neil 3) RE: speaking of SPADs by "Diego Fernetti" 4) Re: Any infos on the Farman "Aviette"? by Volker Haeusler 5) RE: speaking of SPADs by "Diego Fernetti" 6) RE: speaking of SPADs by "Pedro N. Soares" 7) Re: Any infos on the Farman "Aviette"? by "Pedro N. Soares" 8) Re: Any infos on the Farman "Aviette"? by "Diego Fernetti" 9) Re: unglued by Ken Schmitt 10) Re: unglued by "Michael Kendix" 11) Re: unglued by "Diego Fernetti" 12) Re: unglued by "Clemente Balladares" 13) Photo of Raben's Dr I by "Hans Trauner" 14) Re: Eduard's SPAD 13 - redoux by janah@att.net 15) RE: Photo of Raben's Dr I by "Pedro N. Soares" 16) RE: Photo of Raben's Dr I by "Clemente Balladares" 17) Re: Wright flyer by "Hans Trauner" 18) Re: markings by janah@att.net 19) RE: Photo of Raben's Dr I by "Hans Trauner" 20) Re: Eduard's SPAD 13 by Sean Brian Kirby 21) =?iso-8859-1?Q?RE=3A_=5BWWI=5D_Re=3A_Raben=B4s_Dr1?= by "Clemente Balladares" 22) RE: Dropped one by Sean Brian Kirby 23) Re: Further Luedemann News by tbittners@sprintmail.com (Matt Bittner) 24) =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_=5BWWI=5D_RE:_=5BWWI=5D_Re:_Raben=B4s_Dr1?= by "Hans Trauner" 25) Re: Finding Flaws After Painting by pfalzdvii@att.net 26) RE: Dropped one by "Clemente Balladares" 27) =?iso-8859-1?Q?RE=3A_=5BWWI=5D_Raben=B4s_Dr1?= by "Clemente Balladares" 28) Re: does anyone lick their decals? by "Bob Pearson" 29) Re: markings by "Bob Pearson" 30) Re: Voss Cowl, Jastagate, Bobilink, wing ripple, Nalgo, Cane Toad by Sean Brian Kirby 31) Re: Voss Cowl, Jastagate, Bobilink, wing ripple, Nalgo, Cane Toad by Sean Brian Kirby 32) Re: Further Luedemann News by "Steven Perry" 33) Translation help needed by Eric GALLAUD 34) Re: Further Luedemann News by "Grzegorz Mazurowski" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 16:34:31 -0000 From: "Pedro N. Soares" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: RE: speaking of SPADs Message-ID: <12AEB3D996DDD311B98A00508B6D75B30292CC76@TUFAO> Trying to pry that off may be dangerous! > I need a day with steady pulse to actually try this > operation. If not, I'll > be going to buy that product. > D. > D. Assuming that the product isn't acetone and so won't affect resin or plastic, and that you aren't sucessful in scrapping the CA stain with the tip of a blade, maybe it would be better to use the Descola tudo to first unglue the wheel from the axle and then try to clean it. Pedro (thinking out loud.....) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 17:37:24 +0100 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: Re: Eduard's SPAD 13 - redoux Message-ID: Soubirans is an AEF machine, I was checking this recently, and as far as I could make out, all the AEF machines were square-tipped. So I think Eduard will do the rational thing, and make both kits square tipped. How about filing them round? /Neil C. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 16:37:24 +0000 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: RE: speaking of SPADs Message-ID: Pedro > > Acetone also dissolves cured CA. >So maybe the thing I was refering to, marketed here as "unglue it all" is >but acetone sold at 30 times its price... The product I saw was a sort of amber coloured oily liquid. Mustn't be as volatile as acetone. The small bottle brings a small brush, like a nail enamel. D. _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 00:43:31 +0800 From: Volker Haeusler To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Any infos on the Farman "Aviette"? Message-ID: <015701c2c16c$3c06c2e0$0301a8c0@com1> > > What about Leo Opidycke's book about prewar french aircraft? > D. > Sonds sensible - now if I knew which book that is.... Anybody got the title and an ISBN number? And any comments on that book? Volker ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 16:43:07 +0000 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: RE: speaking of SPADs Message-ID: Pedro! >maybe it would be better to use the Descola tudo to first >unglue the wheel from the axle and then try to clean it. A logical idea. Yes, this might be the best course of action. MAybe I must do some more rigging to the wings, these are still wobbly without it and may benefit of a little more strenght before all the handling. D. _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 16:42:35 -0000 From: "Pedro N. Soares" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: RE: speaking of SPADs Message-ID: <12AEB3D996DDD311B98A00508B6D75B30292CC96@TUFAO> > > The product I saw was a sort of amber coloured oily liquid. > Mustn't be as > volatile as acetone. The small bottle brings a small brush, > like a nail > enamel. > D. Yup, should be the same thing as we have here. But our bottle is brown, so I couldn't see the colour of the fluid. P. > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 16:50:56 -0000 From: "Pedro N. Soares" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Any infos on the Farman "Aviette"? Message-ID: <12AEB3D996DDD311B98A00508B6D75B30292CCBC@TUFAO> Volker Check http://www.schifferbooks.com/military/aviationwwi/0764307525.html I don't have it, but I wish I did... and, IIRC there was something recently published by putnam on the same subject (or was it British early aicraft....) HTH Pedro > -----Original Message----- > From: Volker Haeusler [mailto:haeusler@tm.net.my] > Sent: terça-feira, 21 de Janeiro de 2003 16:44 > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: [WWI] Re: Any infos on the Farman "Aviette"? > > > > > > What about Leo Opidycke's book about prewar french aircraft? > > D. > > > > Sonds sensible - now if I knew which book that is.... > > Anybody got the title and an ISBN number? And any comments on > that book? > > Volker > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 16:58:03 +0000 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Any infos on the Farman "Aviette"? Message-ID: >Sonds sensible - now if I knew which book that is.... >Anybody got the title and an ISBN number? And any comments on that book? French Aeroplanes Before the Great War, by Leo Opdycke ISBN: 0764307525 AFAIK it's a jewel. And likewise expensive D. _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 11:02:57 -0600 From: Ken Schmitt To: Subject: Re: unglued Message-ID: Diego the Strong rues: > I need a day with steady pulse to actually try this operation. If not, I'll > be going to buy that product. There is another product sold, I believe by the same folks that make Big Kev's Floor Goo (apologies and best regards, Ross) called, IIRC ~ DeeAyGo ~ with the accent on the last syllable. It makes CA disappear, well "as if by magic"! Ken (not related to Big Kev but def. a satisfied customer) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 17:12:05 +0000 From: "Michael Kendix" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: unglued Message-ID: Diego: You should be able to purchase inexpensive CA debonder at your local hardware store. However, you should take care that it doesn't dissolve the resin wheel or whatever you use it on. In general, I find CA debonder a useful substance to have handy - it's easy to stick your fingers together with CA and tear the skin. It also helped me when I accidentally got CA on my metal clamp thing and glued it. A little soaking in debonder and it was as good as new. Michael _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 17:07:51 +0000 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: unglued Message-ID: Ken advertises: > ~ DeeAyGo ~ >with the accent on the last syllable. >It makes CA disappear, well "as if by magic"! Hummm, I should have enough of that product at home ;-) D. where was the phone number of my friendly druid? _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 13:12:11 -0400 From: "Clemente Balladares" To: Subject: Re: unglued Message-ID: <2B1249EB720E7141B18BB3F151C8E9F00CF67F@correo.marn.gov.ve> What about sand, polish and carefully retire the excess Clem -----Mensaje original----- De: Michael Kendix [mailto:mkendix@hotmail.com] Enviado el: Martes, 21 de Enero de 2003 01:13 p.m. Para: Multiple recipients of list Asunto: [WWI] Re: unglued Diego: You should be able to purchase inexpensive CA debonder at your local hardware store. However, you should take care that it doesn't dissolve the resin wheel or whatever you use it on. In general, I find CA debonder a useful substance to have handy - it's easy to stick your fingers together with CA and tear the skin. It also helped me when I accidentally got CA on my metal clamp thing and glued it. A little soaking in debonder and it was as good as new. Michael _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 18:22:19 +0100 From: "Hans Trauner" To: Subject: Photo of Raben's Dr I Message-ID: <001301c2c171$a72e74a0$1ac072d4@FRITZweb> Hi, modellers, modellistas, et.al! I am looking for the famous pic of Raben's Dr I when caught by the French. I have the Datafile Special which shows the row of Raben birds, but the Dr I has no raven on the side. I have looked into the Aircraft Illustrated, the Profile and the Datafile. Where can I find a pic with the raven on the fuselage side? Especially I am interested if the cowling is white or red. Any scan is appreciated! Thanks for any help. Hans ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 17:22:02 +0000 From: janah@att.net To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Eduard's SPAD 13 - redoux Message-ID: <20030121172202.IUAI9286.mtiwmhc11.worldnet.att.net@mtiwebc21> A.R. Brooks Spad 13 "Smith IV" has a lower wing that has ply-pockets. The upper wing is the square version. The ply-pockets were a field applied fix to improve lateral stability. The problem with the ply pockets was that they were sewn on with twine. The worry was that if the pocket on the upper wing became detached it could jam the aileron. The squared off wing was designed as a more permanent fix. Some machines in the field were retro-fitted with the top wing only. "Smith IV" is an example of this. Cyg. > Soubirans is an AEF machine, I was checking this recently, > and as far as I could make out, all the AEF machines were > square-tipped. So I think Eduard will do the rational thing, > and make both kits square tipped. How about filing them round? > /Neil C. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 17:26:52 -0000 From: "Pedro N. Soares" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: RE: Photo of Raben's Dr I Message-ID: <12AEB3D996DDD311B98A00508B6D75B30292CD6E@TUFAO> Hans, I think I have one such photo in an issue of Avions at home. I'll check tonight. Remind me if I say nothing. Pedro (modelista) > -----Original Message----- > From: Hans Trauner [mailto:hans.trauner@nefkom.net] > Sent: terça-feira, 21 de Janeiro de 2003 17:21 > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: [WWI] Photo of Raben's Dr I > > > Hi, modellers, modellistas, et.al! > > I am looking for the famous pic of Raben's Dr I when caught > by the French. I > have the Datafile Special which shows the row of Raben birds, > but the Dr I > has no raven on the side. I have looked into the Aircraft > Illustrated, the > Profile and the Datafile. Where can I find a pic with the raven on the > fuselage side? Especially I am interested if the cowling is > white or red. > Any scan is appreciated! > > Thanks for any help. > > Hans > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 13:24:26 -0400 From: "Clemente Balladares" To: Subject: RE: Photo of Raben's Dr I Message-ID: <2B1249EB720E7141B18BB3F151C8E9F00CF680@correo.marn.gov.ve> Hans Try www.pilots-n-planes-wwi-org and look at Fokkers or www.theaerodrome.com check aircraft by nationality or aces Sure youwill find it Clem -----Mensaje original----- De: Hans Trauner [mailto:hans.trauner@nefkom.net] Enviado el: Martes, 21 de Enero de 2003 01:21 p.m. Para: Multiple recipients of list Asunto: [WWI] Photo of Raben's Dr I Hi, modellers, modellistas, et.al! I am looking for the famous pic of Raben's Dr I when caught by the French. I have the Datafile Special which shows the row of Raben birds, but the Dr I has no raven on the side. I have looked into the Aircraft Illustrated, the Profile and the Datafile. Where can I find a pic with the raven on the fuselage side? Especially I am interested if the cowling is white or red. Any scan is appreciated! Thanks for any help. Hans ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 18:34:30 +0100 From: "Hans Trauner" To: Subject: Re: Wright flyer Message-ID: <007301c2c173$5ad36b40$1ac072d4@FRITZweb> Plus the 1/100 scale kit from Faller H. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 17:44:16 +0000 From: janah@att.net To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: markings Message-ID: <20030121174417.KBOS12483.mtiwmhc12.worldnet.att.net@mtiwebc21> McCudden was a flight commander with 56 Sq where his aircraft bore "G" & "6". Cyg. > Many thanks, Shane, Mike and Bob. > > > There are some photos of SE5a's showing the various unit markings in the > > Windsock SE5/SE5a Squadrons Special Datafile, the aforementioned Air-Britain > > book. > I have the former and scrutinized the latter at a local plastic pusher. > > What I have not had up to this point: > Text from Roden and expansion on that from such as Mr. Kavanaugh, Mr. > Pearson and Mr. Weier. > > Again, thank you, guys. This is one for the files. > (have a Blue Max SE to complete!) > > = ) > > Ken > > > btw: Sq leaders letters varied as I understand it. > Bishop's 85 Sq SE was 'Z', McCudden's were each, 'G' and '6', Mick's was 'A' > - Perhaps he was a Duke Ellington fan... > > The book Bob illustrated discusses this as does the df. > Sq. letters seemed to be assigned by sq. prefs rather than uniformity, as > per above. Flight color(s) assigns seem more typical and uniform. > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 18:51:44 +0100 From: "Hans Trauner" To: Subject: RE: Photo of Raben's Dr I Message-ID: <012701c2c175$c2f58580$1ac072d4@FRITZweb> I got it myself - it's in Squadron's Fokker Dr. I, page 16. It was toooooo obvious to find it.... Thanks for any help! Pedro, Clem! Hans ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pedro N. Soares" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 6:29 PM Subject: [WWI] RE: Photo of Raben's Dr I > Hans, > > I think I have one such photo in an issue of Avions at home. I'll check > tonight. Remind me if I say nothing. > > Pedro (modelista) > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Hans Trauner [mailto:hans.trauner@nefkom.net] > > Sent: terça-feira, 21 de Janeiro de 2003 17:21 > > To: Multiple recipients of list > > Subject: [WWI] Photo of Raben's Dr I > > > > > > Hi, modellers, modellistas, et.al! > > > > I am looking for the famous pic of Raben's Dr I when caught > > by the French. I > > have the Datafile Special which shows the row of Raben birds, > > but the Dr I > > has no raven on the side. I have looked into the Aircraft > > Illustrated, the > > Profile and the Datafile. Where can I find a pic with the raven on the > > fuselage side? Especially I am interested if the cowling is > > white or red. > > Any scan is appreciated! > > > > Thanks for any help. > > > > Hans > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 09:59:32 -0800 (PST) From: Sean Brian Kirby To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Eduard's SPAD 13 Message-ID: <20030121175932.43415.qmail@web14811.mail.yahoo.com> --- Matt Bittner wrote: > You'll see, as you scroll down, there are *two* > pieces of art for the SPAD > 13. Could it be profi versus non-profi, or are > Eduard planning on the > different versions? One hopes the latter!! Looks like Profi' and non-Profipack, to me. And... it looks like they're getting more and more serious about that Camel! Fingers crossed... and a smaller version couldn't be too far off, eh? :) Sean ===== www.pitpass.com __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 13:41:04 -0400 From: "Clemente Balladares" To: Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?RE=3A_=5BWWI=5D_Re=3A_Raben=B4s_Dr1?= Message-ID: <2B1249EB720E7141B18BB3F151C8E9F00CF681@correo.marn.gov.ve> http://www.pilots-n-planes-ww1.com/Central-Powers/German/Planes/Fokker/Dr1/Fok-Dr1-479-17.jpg ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 09:46:43 -0800 (PST) From: Sean Brian Kirby To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: RE: Dropped one Message-ID: <20030121174643.24807.qmail@web14804.mail.yahoo.com> --- Clemente Balladares wrote: > My Br14B2 of Esquad Br107 is already painted, > still waiting the arrival of decals (they are > safe in Florida, after the trip from Canada). In my experience, there is no such thing as a safe decal in Florida. Books also suffer. :( ;) Sean ===== www.pitpass.com __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 12:05:48 -0600 (CST) From: tbittners@sprintmail.com (Matt Bittner) To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Further Luedemann News Message-ID: <200301211805.h0LI5mu69853@king1.kingsnake.com> Volker Typed: > Oh yes, there is one really interesting ot Classic Plane kit that just came > out (Again, I´m not ecven sure whether it´s really already up for sale). > that is the incredible Russian Kalinin K 12 "Firebird" or "Phoenix", a weird > looking early 30ies prototype with a great pain scheme (showing that > firebird). But then nobody here is interested in Russian aircraft I > guess.... Sweet! I think I have an article on one of the Russian magazines on this one. That is one, odd looking machine! Too bad they don't do the "dragon", as well (whose actual nomenclature escapes me, but it was called "dragon" because of not only its paint job, but also the odd nose it had). But then again, I'm not interested in Russian aircraft... ;-) Matt ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 19:28:04 +0100 From: "Hans Trauner" To: Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_=5BWWI=5D_RE:_=5BWWI=5D_Re:_Raben=B4s_Dr1?= Message-ID: <001301c2c17a$d6805260$30a272d4@FRITZweb> Got it! Exactly what I was looking for. Thanks, Clem. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Clemente Balladares" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 7:04 PM Subject: [WWI] RE: [WWI] Re: Raben´s Dr1 > > http://www.pilots-n-planes-ww1.com/Central-Powers/German/Planes/Fokker/Dr1/F ok-Dr1-479-17.jpg ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 18:32:21 +0000 From: pfalzdvii@att.net To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Finding Flaws After Painting Message-ID: <20030121183244.LMUA12483.mtiwmhc12.worldnet.att.net@mtiwebc20> I usually 'primer' coat my models, not necessarily a heavy filler like'Mr. Surfacer' but usually a light coat of a light neutral gray or tan acrylic (flat). I think of it as a 'proof' coat. Surface problems 'pop' right out, its much easier to see small blemishes when the natural gloss and 'multicolor' effect of parts, filler, etc. are reduced. then I can fill, with whatever (from A plus B to Mr S) and proceed from there, although I usually recoat the affected areas for a double check. HTH Merrill Anderson ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 14:33:33 -0400 From: "Clemente Balladares" To: Subject: RE: Dropped one Message-ID: <2B1249EB720E7141B18BB3F151C8E9F00CF683@correo.marn.gov.ve> Well, let´s see at the arrive to Venezuela, specially on this situation :( Cheers Clem -----Mensaje original----- De: Sean Brian Kirby [mailto:acebuilder2003@yahoo.com] Enviado el: Martes, 21 de Enero de 2003 02:18 p.m. Para: Multiple recipients of list Asunto: [WWI] RE: Dropped one --- Clemente Balladares wrote: > My Br14B2 of Esquad Br107 is already painted, > still waiting the arrival of decals (they are > safe in Florida, after the trip from Canada). In my experience, there is no such thing as a safe decal in Florida. Books also suffer. :( ;) Sean ===== www.pitpass.com __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 14:34:47 -0400 From: "Clemente Balladares" To: Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?RE=3A_=5BWWI=5D_Raben=B4s_Dr1?= Message-ID: <2B1249EB720E7141B18BB3F151C8E9F00CF684@correo.marn.gov.ve> It was good to help, Hans Bye Clem -----Mensaje original----- De: Hans Trauner [mailto:hans.trauner@nefkom.net] Enviado el: Martes, 21 de Enero de 2003 02:27 p.m. Para: Multiple recipients of list Asunto: [WWI] Re: [WWI] RE: [WWI] Re: Raben´s Dr1 Got it! Exactly what I was looking for. Thanks, Clem. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Clemente Balladares" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 7:04 PM Subject: [WWI] RE: [WWI] Re: Raben´s Dr1 > > http://www.pilots-n-planes-ww1.com/Central-Powers/German/Planes/Fokker/Dr1/F ok-Dr1-479-17.jpg ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 11:02:02 -0800 From: "Bob Pearson" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: does anyone lick their decals? Message-ID: <104317585901@smtp-2.vancouver.ipapp.com> It means he was flying an aircraft assigned to C flight. In most cases pilots DID NOT choose the letter of the aircraft they flew Bob ---------- >From: Ken Schmitt > Regarding SE 5a markings...Elliot Springs had a rather large 'T' all over > his mount, IIRC. > > One wonders what that stood for. > > > > Ken, whistling, innocent n' all. > > OT, CT and OTFW > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 11:01:54 -0800 From: "Bob Pearson" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: markings Message-ID: <104317585501@smtp-2.vancouver.ipapp.com> Real general stuff, with lots of deviations. Flight letters were usually start of the alphabet for A Flight, middle for B and end for C .. the letters towards the very end of the alphabet were usually spare aircraft. Many squadrons later used the first half of the alphabet for A flight, the last half for C flight and numbers for B. .. hence McCudden changing from G to 6. Squadron leaders were not encouraged to fly by this stage of the war .. obviously many did. Markings in these cases were usually the person's preference. Sometimes symbols rather than letters/numbers. ie: Hubbard had a dog looking into a bare cupboard as his marking while in command of 73 Sqn. The flight leader would usually fly the first aircraft in his flight, although again, many did not. Bob > btw: Sq leaders letters varied as I understand it. > Bishop's 85 Sq SE was 'Z', McCudden's were each, 'G' and '6', Mick's was 'A' > - Perhaps he was a Duke Ellington fan... > > The book Bob illustrated discusses this as does the df. > Sq. letters seemed to be assigned by sq. prefs rather than uniformity, as > per above. Flight color(s) assigns seem more typical and uniform. > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 10:38:14 -0800 (PST) From: Sean Brian Kirby To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Voss Cowl, Jastagate, Bobilink, wing ripple, Nalgo, Cane Toad Message-ID: <20030121183814.45052.qmail@web14804.mail.yahoo.com> --- Shane Weier wrote: > Voss cowl was unquestionalby a nice olive green > plaid The first reference I ever saw to it, which I saw when a mere tike, had it black. So... what was it? :) Sean ===== www.pitpass.com __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 10:39:57 -0800 (PST) From: Sean Brian Kirby To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Voss Cowl, Jastagate, Bobilink, wing ripple, Nalgo, Cane Toad Message-ID: <20030121183957.53956.qmail@web14810.mail.yahoo.com> --- Dave Burke wrote: > Naah. It was aluminum, mate. Horsepucky. Sean ===== www.pitpass.com __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 15:24:10 -0500 From: "Steven Perry" To: Subject: Re: Further Luedemann News Message-ID: <008901c2c18b$0eb73da0$65a8a8c0@tampabay.rr.com> > Too bad they don't do the "dragon", as well (whose actual nomenclature > escapes me, but it was called "dragon" because of not only its paint job, > but also the odd nose it had). ANT 9 Krokodil sp ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 21:26:07 +0100 From: Eric GALLAUD To: "wwi@wwi-models.org" Subject: Translation help needed Message-ID: <3E2DACDF.70800@club-internet.fr> Hello listee, I have the Aero A-1 from RVHP (Hansa-Brandenburg B1 modified) with the colour explanation in Czech language. So if somebody can help me, LMK off list, I have a scan of the text. Thank you in advance Eric ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 21:44:54 +0100 From: "Grzegorz Mazurowski" To: Subject: Re: Further Luedemann News Message-ID: <005401c2c18d$f47edee0$0200a8c0@grzesiek> Volker wrote: > A most interesting and good looking kit is the AH Albatros B II KNV (that is > with the "Knollerfluegel"). If you check the FMP AH book, you will see that > this is one attractive looking aircraft, and the Ludemann kit really looks > very nice. Easier to build than the Friedrichshafens as well... Though I don't have this kit, I suspect it is excellent one. I have Luedemann's Albatros B.I (Phonix) with "normal" wing, and it is excellent kit. Review you'll probably see in the next IM (I wanted to do it for January, but scanner installation crashed my comp). Also Luedemann makes veeeery good DFW B.I, have you seen it, Volker? BTW, I have a question: what could be the "places distribution" in this (DFW B.I) plane? I mean if pilot was in back and the observer in front seat, or opposite? I know that majority planes in that early period had pilots on the backseat. Cheers! G. ***************r-e-k-l-a-m-a************** Chcesz oszczedzic na kosztach obslugi bankowej ? mBIZNES - konto dla firm http://epieniadze.onet.pl/mbiznes ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 4937 **********************