WWI Digest 4936 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) APMA Member needs help by Shane & Lorna Jenkins 2) Re: Markings by Volker Haeusler 3) Re: Markings by Crawford Neil 4) Eduard's SPAD 13 by tbittners@sprintmail.com (Matt Bittner) 5) Eduard's SPAD 13 - redoux by tbittners@sprintmail.com (Matt Bittner) 6) RE: Eduard's SPAD 13 by Crawford Neil 7) Re: Eduard's SPAD 13 by "Diego Fernetti" 8) RE: Eduard's SPAD 13 by Crawford Neil 9) RE: Eduard's SPAD 13 by "Pedro N. Soares" 10) Re: APMA Member needs help by "Diego Fernetti" 11) Re: Eduard's SPAD 13 by tbittners@sprintmail.com (Matt Bittner) 12) speaking of SPADs by "Diego Fernetti" 13) RE: speaking of SPADs by "Pedro N. Soares" 14) Re: Markings by Volker Haeusler 15) RE: speaking of SPADs by "Diego Fernetti" 16) Re: Eduard's SPAD 13 - redoux by xtv16@dial.pipex.com 17) The Luedemann Friedrichshafen G III kits by Volker Haeusler 18) RE: speaking of SPADs by "Pedro N. Soares" 19) Re: Eduard's SPAD 13 - redoux by Crawford Neil 20) Further Luedemann News by Volker Haeusler 21) Re: slightly off-topic but still very early aeroplane by a.r.martin@t-online.de (Rita) 22) RE: New Update by a.r.martin@t-online.de (Rita) 23) Re: Eduard's SPAD 13 - redoux by xtv16@dial.pipex.com 24) RE: speaking of SPADs by Daniel Hayward 25) Re: Markings by Crawford Neil 26) Finding Flaws After Painting by Paul Thompson 27) Any infos on the Farman "Aviette"? by Volker Haeusler 28) RE: speaking of SPADs by "Diego Fernetti" 29) RE: speaking of SPADs by "Pedro N. Soares" 30) RE: speaking of SPADs by "Diego Fernetti" 31) Re: Any infos on the Farman "Aviette"? by "Diego Fernetti" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 02:25:02 +1100 From: Shane & Lorna Jenkins To: WW1 posts Subject: APMA Member needs help Message-ID: <3E2D664E.A72570D@tac.com.au> Hi all, Please check out Graham Carter's message on the APMA Message board at: http://members.boardhost.com/Aussiemodellers/ After which check out his OT models in the member's Gallery & the latest update ;-) Regards, StY APMA Webmaster http://apma.org.au ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 23:27:11 +0800 From: Volker Haeusler To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Markings Message-ID: <008401c2c161$92518640$0301a8c0@com1> I think most of the questions in this thread have already been answered, but just to be sure: There is an article in an old C&C (US) (around vol 15 or 16, I think) named "What made Mick tick?". This includes profiles (copied in part from different other publications) showing a good number of Mannock´s aircraft. Then, C&C (I) 11/3 contains "Mick - Fact, Fiction and Legend" by JAmes Dudgeon. WHile itself creating some legends (like Mannock bringing down a Junkers Cl I for his last kill), it has a good selection of photos (including "A" of 74 Sq, confirmed by the location written on the photo - London Colney, where 74 started for France, but which does not fit to 85) and a list of all (then) known aircraft flown by Mannock (6 Nieuports and 7 SE 5 A´s) Volker ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 16:31:04 +0100 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: Re: Markings Message-ID: WHile itself creating some legends (like Mannock > bringing down a > Junkers Cl I for his last kill), Volker, Is this a legend? I read it in the book about Mannock I have (can't remember the name Ken, I'll check tonight). I was a little surprised, but who am I to say. /Neil C. (I think the book is called "Mick", and it could be by James Dudgeon actually) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 09:21:16 -0600 (CST) From: tbittners@sprintmail.com (Matt Bittner) To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Eduard's SPAD 13 Message-ID: <200301211521.h0LFLGO61949@king1.kingsnake.com> Well, well. Go here, and watch the wrap: http://www.eduard.cz/info/freleases/coming.htm You'll see, as you scroll down, there are *two* pieces of art for the SPAD 13. Could it be profi versus non-profi, or are Eduard planning on the different versions? One hopes the latter!! Matt ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 09:22:14 -0600 (CST) From: tbittners@sprintmail.com (Matt Bittner) To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Eduard's SPAD 13 - redoux Message-ID: <200301211522.h0LFME461969@king1.kingsnake.com> Gads...reading would be a good thing to do. Looks like it's profi versus non-profi. Durn. Matt ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 16:40:40 +0100 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: RE: Eduard's SPAD 13 Message-ID: Thats Fonck on non-Profi, and Soubiran (AEF) on the profi version. Pity I've already done Soubirans one, it's very nice. Nice that the box-art is done, that should make them comitted! /Neil C. > -----Original Message----- > From: tbittners@sprintmail.com [mailto:tbittners@sprintmail.com] > Sent: den 21 januari 2003 16:37 > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: [WWI] Eduard's SPAD 13 > > > > Well, well. Go here, and watch the wrap: > http://www.eduard.cz/info/freleases/coming.htm > > You'll see, as you scroll down, there are *two* pieces of art > for the SPAD > 13. Could it be profi versus non-profi, or are Eduard planning on the > different versions? One hopes the latter!! > > > Matt > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 15:39:28 +0000 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Eduard's SPAD 13 Message-ID: >Well, well. Go here, and watch the wrap: >http://www.eduard.cz/info/freleases/coming.htm how nice selection of markings!!!! Thanks for sharing D. _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM: Try the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 16:43:52 +0100 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: RE: Eduard's SPAD 13 Message-ID: So square wing-tips! /Neil C. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 15:43:55 -0000 From: "Pedro N. Soares" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: RE: Eduard's SPAD 13 Message-ID: <12AEB3D996DDD311B98A00508B6D75B30292CBAE@TUFAO> Ummmmmmmm. the Non profi artwork shows some structure inside the front fuse inspection panel.... promising....! Pedro > -----Original Message----- > From: tbittners@sprintmail.com [mailto:tbittners@sprintmail.com] > Sent: terça-feira, 21 de Janeiro de 2003 15:37 > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: [WWI] Eduard's SPAD 13 > > > > Well, well. Go here, and watch the wrap: > http://www.eduard.cz/info/freleases/coming.htm > > You'll see, as you scroll down, there are *two* pieces of art > for the SPAD > 13. Could it be profi versus non-profi, or are Eduard planning on the > different versions? One hopes the latter!! > > > Matt > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 15:45:25 +0000 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: APMA Member needs help Message-ID: Shane! > Please check out Graham Carter's message on the APMA Message board at: > http://members.boardhost.com/Aussiemodellers/ I have a spare resin cowl from Rosemont and a spare CSM oberrusel, but I bet someone nearer than me can send these replacement parts faster and cheaper. > After which check out his OT models in the member's Gallery & the >latest update ;-) SUperb. I specially like not the OT models, but those DH Albatross (can count this one as semi OT just because it's a composite OT name?) the lovely van and those maginficent silver wing biplanes. Well done Graham! D. _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 09:38:49 -0600 (CST) From: tbittners@sprintmail.com (Matt Bittner) To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Eduard's SPAD 13 Message-ID: <200301211538.h0LFcnk62794@king1.kingsnake.com> > Ummmmmmmm. the Non profi artwork shows some structure inside the front fuse > inspection panel.... promising....! Sweet! Most awesome. Say, anybody want a Meikraft SPAD 13? ;-) Matt ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 15:52:33 +0000 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: speaking of SPADs Message-ID: My time to complain... Some days ago (must have been friday) I was happily rigging the Spad and congratulating myself, when I discovered that in the previous session I had smeared a drop of CA glue all over the right wheel cover, possibly ruining the wheel completely. I left the model inside a drawer until I can actually look at it again without having a fit. D. _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 15:57:31 -0000 From: "Pedro N. Soares" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: RE: speaking of SPADs Message-ID: <12AEB3D996DDD311B98A00508B6D75B30292CBE1@TUFAO> Hey D. I know that at the rate you finish them, a wheel equals at least 3 1/2 years of hard work, but I'm sure I can provide you with a virgin revell wheel if you're in trouble replacing it.... ;-) P. > -----Original Message----- > From: Diego Fernetti [mailto:d_fernetti@hotmail.com] > Sent: terça-feira, 21 de Janeiro de 2003 15:56 > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: [WWI] speaking of SPADs > > > My time to complain... > > Some days ago (must have been friday) I was happily rigging > the Spad and > congratulating myself, when I discovered that in the previous > session I had > smeared a drop of CA glue all over the right wheel cover, > possibly ruining > the wheel completely. I left the model inside a drawer until > I can actually > look at it again without having a fit. > D. > > _________________________________________________________________ > The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 00:01:59 +0800 From: Volker Haeusler To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Markings Message-ID: <009a01c2c166$6e879740$0301a8c0@com1> Neil, > WHile itself creating some legends (like Mannock > > bringing down a > > Junkers Cl I for his last kill), > > Volker, Is this a legend? I read it in the book about Mannock I have > (can't remember the name Ken, I'll check tonight). I was a little > surprised, but who am I to say. > /Neil C. > (I think the book is called "Mick", and it could be by James Dudgeon actually) The J 9 first prototype first flew May 4, 1918. By the end of the war only 6 Cl I´s had been finished, and most probably none had been delivered to an operational unit ( a further 37 or so followed after November 11, 1918). WIth Manock killed late in July, there was just simply not enough time for such a complex metal aircraft to advance from first flight of the first prototype through the Typenpruefung to operational service. The D I (of which design started earlier, but which had it´s first flight at nearly the same date) was not shipped to the front before September 1918, 2 months after Mannock was killed. Therefore the chances of Mannock meeting a Cl I at the front are basically nonexistent. I guess this is a mixup with a J I. Volker ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 16:07:15 +0000 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: RE: speaking of SPADs Message-ID: Pedro! >I know that at the rate you finish them, a wheel equals at least 3 1/2 >years >of hard work, but I'm sure I can provide you with a virgin revell wheel if >you're in trouble replacing it.... Ha! It was actually a resin Rosemont wheel, with the inpection hole on the cover modified (it was originally too near the hub, and the diameter was too small) The glue smudge actually covered the new inspection hole, and trapped a small air bubble inside. Some of the Vallejo acrlic of the piece was lifted by the CA glue (I would have thought that the glue was not "hot"!). A real mess. I'm lucky that I haven't smeared the lower wing nor the UC vees as well. D. I'm so silly that I deserve a medal. Or better two of them, just in case I loose one. _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 16:09:34 +0000 From: xtv16@dial.pipex.com To: Subject: Re: Eduard's SPAD 13 - redoux Message-ID: <1043165374.3e2d70be2539e@netmail.pipex.net> Quoting Matt Bittner : > > Gads...reading would be a good thing to do. Looks like it's profi > versus > non-profi. Durn. > But looking at the pics, the wing tips look round in the non-Profi and square in the Profi (That only leaves the tip pockets and the early ones with fewer wing ribs to worry about!) Dave Fleming ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 00:12:19 +0800 From: Volker Haeusler To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: The Luedemann Friedrichshafen G III kits Message-ID: <00c501c2c167$e06801a0$0301a8c0@com1> I finally found the time for a report on the loot from my last trip back to Europe a week or so ago. I happened to get to the Modellbaustudio, and the Friedrichshafens were finally ready (2 of the 3 kits, that is). I got both the early G III (with the conventional tail) and the later G IIIa (with the Kastenleitwerk/box tail). The final version (a post war G IIIa with a passenger cabin) will only be out in January As already stated in the earlier impression on seeing a sample in November, the kit is definitely not easy. but going point by point: The wings look great (as usual for a Luedemann kit), thin, but still solid enough to ensure that they will survive assembly, with excellent rib detail (raised on both surfaces). The wings are quite close to the drawings in the Datafile (which this time also seem to tie up with the published data). However, both kits come with the same wings (with balanced ailerons). this is obviously only correct for the G III and the early G IIIa, with the majority of the G IIIa´s having the later imbalanced ailerons with Flettner style auxiliary ailerons. The fuselage again seems to be dimensionaly correct, but is a rather complicated affair invoving a nose, a senter section and an aft section, with the gun tunnel overlapping between the two. Add to this two fuselage top sections to ensure a lot of sweat during assembly. Positive points of the fuselage include nicely detailed sidewalls, an instrument panel, two pilots seats and a nice steering wheel. However, There is definitely room for additional scratchbuilding inside the fuselage. The kit also comes with some Parabellums, but without any bombs. Personally, I have some doubts about the accuracy of the fuselage undersides (in the bomb rack area), but I have to further check this point. The G IIIa comes with open engine cowlings (ie, there is a radiator and a "bed" for the otherwise uncowled engine"), the G III has cowled engiens (with both kits containing 2 D IV engines inlusive of the exhausts. When it comes to the tail, the horizontal sufaces of the box tail of the G IIIa differ from the drawings and IMHO also from the photos. As they seem to be to big, this might be easy to solve. Smaller parts include the wheels and the complex undercarriage construction, which looks good, but might be somewhat fragile to withstand the load. All in all these are nice kits, with about average Luedemann quality, not as good as the incredible Tauben, but still worthwhile having. However, construction will definitely not be easy.... The price should be around 30 Euro (I am not sure, as there is no price on the boxes I go, and I am no longer able to figure out how much I paid for these kits) Volker ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 16:10:43 -0000 From: "Pedro N. Soares" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: RE: speaking of SPADs Message-ID: <12AEB3D996DDD311B98A00508B6D75B30292CC11@TUFAO> Diego, There is a product for ungluing CA. In Portugal I think it's called "descola tudo" and it comes in small bottle. I never used it but maybe this could dissolve the glue. You know what I'm talking about? You would have to paint the cover again but that's easy work... Pedro > -----Original Message----- > From: Diego Fernetti [mailto:d_fernetti@hotmail.com] > Sent: terça-feira, 21 de Janeiro de 2003 16:08 > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: [WWI] RE: speaking of SPADs > > > Pedro! > >I know that at the rate you finish them, a wheel equals at > least 3 1/2 > >years > >of hard work, but I'm sure I can provide you with a virgin > revell wheel if > >you're in trouble replacing it.... > > Ha! > It was actually a resin Rosemont wheel, with the inpection > hole on the cover > modified (it was originally too near the hub, and the > diameter was too > small) The glue smudge actually covered the new inspection > hole, and trapped > a small air bubble inside. Some of the Vallejo acrlic of the > piece was > lifted by the CA glue (I would have thought that the glue was > not "hot"!). A > real mess. I'm lucky that I haven't smeared the lower wing > nor the UC vees > as well. > D. > I'm so silly that I deserve a medal. Or better two of them, > just in case I > loose one. > > _________________________________________________________________ > The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 17:13:04 +0100 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: Re: Eduard's SPAD 13 - redoux Message-ID: Are you sure Dave? The fact that it is camouflaged is a sign of a later Spad, not at all sure though. /Neil C. But looking at the pics, the wing tips look round in the > non-Profi and square > in the Profi > > (That only leaves the tip pockets and the early ones with > fewer wing ribs to > worry about!) > > Dave Fleming > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 00:19:32 +0800 From: Volker Haeusler To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Further Luedemann News Message-ID: <00c901c2c168$e2b57ea0$0301a8c0@com1> Beside the Friedrichshafens, there were a number of other kits that were at least new to me. A complete list of Luedemann kits is at the Modellbaustudio/Classic Plane webpage, with the AEG G IV and the Knoller C II mentioned there actually not yet out. A most interesting and good looking kit is the AH Albatros B II KNV (that is with the "Knollerfluegel"). If you check the FMP AH book, you will see that this is one attractive looking aircraft, and the Ludemann kit really looks very nice. Easier to build than the Friedrichshafens as well... Oh yes, there is one really interesting ot Classic Plane kit that just came out (Again, I´m not ecven sure whether it´s really already up for sale). that is the incredible Russian Kalinin K 12 "Firebird" or "Phoenix", a weird looking early 30ies prototype with a great pain scheme (showing that firebird). But then nobody here is interested in Russian aircraft I guess.... Volker ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 17:19:04 +0100 From: a.r.martin@t-online.de (Rita) To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: slightly off-topic but still very early aeroplane Message-ID: <18b17A-1cUpBwC@fwd09.sul.t-online.com> Hi Michael, what's about the old Monogram Wright Flyer? The kit is very easy to build but looks not bad for his cheap price. Only the scale is a little bit strangely. 1/39 and not 1/48 as printed on the box. Greetings Andreas Michael Kendix schrieb: > If I'm ever going to do it this has to be the year to make a Wright Flyer, > so I was wondering about the range of kits available in different scales, > and the quality of said kits. I know of the > > 1/72nd scale Renwal > 1/16th scale Hasegawa > > What about others? > > Michael > > P.S. Just in case folks thought it was quiet today - most of the U.S. is > off-work for the Martin Luther King Day holiday. > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Help STOP SPAM: Try the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 17:19:05 +0100 From: a.r.martin@t-online.de (Rita) To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: RE: New Update Message-ID: <18b17B-1cUpBzC@fwd09.sul.t-online.com> Hi Ross, hi listmembers thanks for your nice words. Ross, the figures I used in the background are from CMK (CzechMaster). The 2 figures in front and on the Alb. C.X are from Jager Miniatures too and belongs to the C.X kit. Greetings Andreas Ross & Wendy Moorhouse schrieb: > Andreas Martin very nice Alb indeed. What brand of figures did you use? > > Cheers > > Ross > > -----Original Message----- > From: wwi@wwi-models.org [mailto:wwi@wwi-models.org] On Behalf Of Matt > Bittner > Sent: Monday, 20 January 2003 10:48 AM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: [WWI] New Update > > I just added Andreas Martin's stunning Albatros C.X. Wow! > > Unfortunately you can't there from News. Something's wrong with > the file and it's not letting me update it. > > > Matt Bittner > WW1 Modeling Page > Assistant Editor > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 16:20:18 +0000 From: xtv16@dial.pipex.com To: Subject: Re: Eduard's SPAD 13 - redoux Message-ID: <1043166018.3e2d734270db5@netmail.pipex.net> Quoting Crawford Neil : > > > > Are you sure Dave? The fact that it is camouflaged is a sign > of a later Spad, not at all sure though. > /Neil C. > Mmmmmmm Looking at the small pictures, it looked like the wing tips were round on this picture http://www.eduard.cz/info/freleases/images/7051b.jpg but looking at it in large format I may reflect on my position! But looking at the alieron trailing edges http://www.eduard.cz/info/freleases/images/7052b.jpg Anyway, this all assumes that the box art accurately reflects the kit!! Dave ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 11:22:50 -0400 From: Daniel Hayward To: Subject: RE: speaking of SPADs Message-ID: Acetone also dissolves cured CA. Dan > From: "Pedro N. Soares" > Reply-To: wwi@wwi-models.org > Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 11:14:27 -0500 (EST) > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: [WWI] RE: speaking of SPADs > > Diego, > > There is a product for ungluing CA. In Portugal I think it's called "descola > tudo" and it comes in small bottle. I never used it but maybe this could > dissolve the glue. You know what I'm talking about? You would have to paint > the cover again but that's easy work... > > Pedro > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Diego Fernetti [mailto:d_fernetti@hotmail.com] >> Sent: terça-feira, 21 de Janeiro de 2003 16:08 >> To: Multiple recipients of list >> Subject: [WWI] RE: speaking of SPADs >> >> >> Pedro! >>> I know that at the rate you finish them, a wheel equals at >> least 3 1/2 >>> years >>> of hard work, but I'm sure I can provide you with a virgin >> revell wheel if >>> you're in trouble replacing it.... >> >> Ha! >> It was actually a resin Rosemont wheel, with the inpection >> hole on the cover >> modified (it was originally too near the hub, and the >> diameter was too >> small) The glue smudge actually covered the new inspection >> hole, and trapped >> a small air bubble inside. Some of the Vallejo acrlic of the >> piece was >> lifted by the CA glue (I would have thought that the glue was >> not "hot"!). A >> real mess. I'm lucky that I haven't smeared the lower wing >> nor the UC vees >> as well. >> D. >> I'm so silly that I deserve a medal. Or better two of them, >> just in case I >> loose one. >> >> _________________________________________________________________ >> The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* >> http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail >> > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 17:22:25 +0100 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: Re: Markings Message-ID: > Therefore the chances of Mannock meeting a Cl I at the front > are basically > nonexistent. I guess this is a mixup with a J I. > > Volker Thanks Volker, that makes much better sense. /Neil C. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 17:26:10 +0100 From: Paul Thompson To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Finding Flaws After Painting Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20030121172419.00a5ca80@pop.xs4all.nl> >I jump up and down and swear a lot. HTH Paul T. Oh, and then I fill and or sand as neccessary. I don't remove the paint first usually. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 00:25:02 +0800 From: Volker Haeusler To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Any infos on the Farman "Aviette"? Message-ID: <00fd01c2c169$a7339e60$0301a8c0@com1> Another kit I got on the last trip was the Omega resin of the 1913 Farman "Aviette". That is a really beautiful single seat pusher biplane, with a sesquiplane type of design and a wide track undercarriage - a kind of good looking Nieuport, if you like... However, I can not find any reference for this aircraft - anybody got any idea about it? The kit looks very nice, but the drawings are both frightening when it comes to the sheer number of rigging wires, and somewhat unclear in their distribution... Volker ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 16:28:03 +0000 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: RE: speaking of SPADs Message-ID: Dan! >Acetone also dissolves cured CA. Also dissolves plastic as well. Given my clumsiness, I'd rather try something else. D. _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 16:27:34 -0000 From: "Pedro N. Soares" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: RE: speaking of SPADs Message-ID: <12AEB3D996DDD311B98A00508B6D75B30292CC5C@TUFAO> > Acetone also dissolves cured CA. > > Dan So maybe the thing I was refering to, marketed here as "unglue it all" is but acetone sold at 30 times its price... The best scheme I ever heard about was someone trying to sell decal activating fluid.... Pedro > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 16:20:33 +0000 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: RE: speaking of SPADs Message-ID: Pedro! >There is a product for ungluing CA. In Portugal I think it's called >"descola >tudo" and it comes in small bottle. I never used it but maybe this could >dissolve the glue. You know what I'm talking about? You would have to paint >the cover again but that's easy work... I know of a product like that here (I can't recall the name but I saw it in the hardware store just a few days ago) Anyway I'm hoping that the glue "may" have been isolated from the resin by the thin coat of paint. By any means, I'll try to leave the wheels glued, because I used epoxy to fix them to the bent Spad axle. Trying to pry that off may be dangerous! I need a day with steady pulse to actually try this operation. If not, I'll be going to buy that product. D. _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 16:30:09 +0000 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Any infos on the Farman "Aviette"? Message-ID: Volker! >However, I can not find any reference for this aircraft - anybody got any >idea about it? What about Leo Opidycke's book about prewar french aircraft? D. _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM: Try the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 4936 **********************