WWI Digest 4930 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Russian Aeroplanes 1914 - 1918 by Zulis@aol.com 2) Re: Russian Aeroplanes book by "Michael Kendix" 3) d_fernetti@hotmail.com by Paul Thompson 4) Re: famous Daves by Ken Schmitt 5) Re: Weekend by dave.fleming@dial.pipex.com 6) Re: Weekend by Morg17ms@aol.com 7) Re: Russian Aeroplanes 1914 - 1918 by "Shane Weier" 8) Re: famous Daves by "David C. Fletcher" 9) Re: Russian Aeroplanes 1914 - 1918 by Zulis@aol.com 10) Re: Russian Aeroplanes 1914 - 1918 by "Matt Bittner" 11) by web@comdns.com 12) Re: Weekend by "Mike Muth" 13) =?big5?Q?=C5@=BD=A7_Keep_Fit_=B7s=B8=EA=B0T_(=A4G)?= by Health.&.Beauty 14) Re: Classic manufacturers by Nigel Cheffers-Heard 15) Re: Classic manufacturers by dave.fleming@dial.pipex.com 16) Re: Classic manufacturers by Tom Plesha 17) Voss Cowl, Jastagate, Bobilink, wing ripple, Nalgo, Cane Toad by "Steven Perry" 18) Re: Voss Cowl, Jastagate, Bobilink, wing ripple, Nalgo, Cane Toad by Zulis@aol.com 19) Re: Russian Aeroplanes 1914 - 1918 by "Steven Perry" 20) Re: Russian Aeroplanes 1914 - 1918 by VMA324Vagabonds@aol.com 21) =?big5?Q?=A6=F5=B4=B0=B0=CF=AA=AB=B7~=A5N=B2z?= by Fitting 22) Re: Voss Cowl, Jastagate, Bobilink, wing ripple, Nalgo, Cane Toad by Sean Brian Kirby ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 16:30:02 -0500 From: Zulis@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Russian Aeroplanes 1914 - 1918 Message-ID: <56E7B657.267636F5.000121E7@aol.com> Matt writes: <> Sorry - I have to jump through all sorts of hoops to send a non-MIME message, so if I am replying with MIME on I intentionally keep it really short. The book has eight pages on Mosca planes, starting with the prototypes. It includes 12 beautifully reproduced photos, six of which feature the MB bis. I mention the quality of the photos because I just went through the excellent Air Britain Martinsyde book - great material but the worst job of contrast/density control on the photos I have ever seen. The chapter wraps up with two pages of drawings, including a 1/72 four-view of the MB bis. The book has major chapters on Anatra, Grigorovich, Lebedev, Mosca, Olkhovsky and Sikorsky, plus twenty pages devoted to oddities and aircraft of "Less-Known Designers". The strange beast on the cover is worth looking at closely. At first glance, it appears to have absolutely no means of propulsion whatsoever - no engine in the nose, and nothing on the wings. It appears to be flying on sheer will and audacity alone, until a closer look reveals a hint of spinning prop in the very tail of the plane. Gotta love it. Regards, Dave Zulis (Dave #13) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 21:44:16 +0000 From: "Michael Kendix" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Russian Aeroplanes book Message-ID: >From: tbittners@sprintmail.com (Matt Bittner) > >Dave #13 typed (although I messed up and sent this to him directly): >Gee, can you be anymore verbose? :-) Expand, please. Like, for >example, >how is the section on the Mosca MB bis? TIA! Shudder! Michael _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 22:52:40 +0100 From: Paul Thompson To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: d_fernetti@hotmail.com Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20030117224630.00a302f0@pop.xs4all.nl> Diego, Got an old Rimell article on improving this somewhere. If I remember aright he finished it as one of the Blue Max lozenged ones, but this may have been the Aeroclub kit. Anyway, I'll look it up if you like. Can scan and send over the weekend if I find it. Sometimes you can find the Revell ex-Matchbox 1/32nd kit going cheap over here. This makes a good pattern for detailing the 1/72nd one (sounds loopey but I could photo the parts if that would help. Finally, there's plenty of good walkarounds available on the web, but buggered if I haven't lost the URLs. I do recall that Hyperscale has something in it's reference section. Paul T. P.S. Noticed I failed to close a bracket, and can't figure where I intended it to sit, so here it is. ) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 15:51:46 -0600 From: Ken Schmitt To: Subject: Re: famous Daves Message-ID: sp nominates: > Kept a (yet to be discovered) diary with meticulous color notes? > First to use the middle finger in combat? > Volunteer observers in a Spad A.2 unit? > Chain smoking Zepplin captians? > Pilots who logged more hours in the cathouse than the cockpit? > Of corse we can grandfather in all known modelers. Udet built models and I > believe a few others did. Predictably, am for this meticulous person, this color noticer, this chromatozoan. Additionally, I make noise for: These cat house loggers. Stand up chaps, every one. To get this back OTFW, I'd nominate a certain amphibian for list mascot. with enthusiasm, Ken who is "Udet"? (OT alert) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 22:08:37 +0000 From: dave.fleming@dial.pipex.com To: Subject: Re: Weekend Message-ID: <1042841317.3e287ee5b614c@netmail.pipex.net> Quoting Morg17ms@aol.com: > When I read a book or journal I have a pad and just jot down any > interesting > photo, diagram, comment, etc along with the page number. When finished > the > read, I simply transcribe the info into whatever is the appropriate file > in > my "WW I Aircraft Reference" folder. Tom, how much if that is down to your 'professional' habits? I've found guys who write notes etc as part of their jobs tend to do the same with their hobbies. dave ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 17:13:01 EST From: Morg17ms@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Weekend Message-ID: <182.156ba66a.2b59d9ed@aol.com> --part1_182.156ba66a.2b59d9ed_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Good point - taking quick but detailed notes is a big part of my job habit. Tom --part1_182.156ba66a.2b59d9ed_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Good point - taking quick but detailed notes is a big part of my job habit.

Tom --part1_182.156ba66a.2b59d9ed_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2003 08:21:00 +1000 From: "Shane Weier" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Russian Aeroplanes 1914 - 1918 Message-ID: Dave (#13) I know you just wrote a lengthy description of the contents of teh book, but will you please give us the title, publisher and ISBN Inquiring minds in Australia would like to aks their favourite local bookmerchants Shane ******************************** My Strine is a Toad in Disguise ******************************** _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 14:34:43 -0800 From: "David C. Fletcher" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: famous Daves Message-ID: <3E288503.601@mars.ark.com> Ken Schmitt wrote: > To get this back OTFW, I'd nominate a certain amphibian for list mascot. This "Famous Dave" is all for amphibians (since I fly one), echo the kudos for Glenn Curtis of flying boat fame, and give cheers for Udet, since he was also a cartoonist (like me & D.) Does that cover enough topics in one message? Dave FleTCHER ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 19:11:50 EST From: Zulis@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Russian Aeroplanes 1914 - 1918 Message-ID: <167.1a371108.2b59f5c6@aol.com> --part1_167.1a371108.2b59f5c6_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Title: Russian Aeroplanes 1914-1918 Author: Mikhail Maslov ISBN: 0-9724527-0-2 It is published by Icarus Books (www.icarusbooks.com). This is a long-time, reliable bookseller, and is their first effort in publishing The owner's primary interest is in WWI aviation. They only printed 500 of this first effort, and I would recommend buying from them directly. Dave #13 --part1_167.1a371108.2b59f5c6_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Title: Russian Aeroplanes 1914-1918
Author:  Mikhail Maslov
ISBN: 0-9724527-0-2

It is published by Icarus Books (www.icarusbooks.com).   This is a long-time, reliable bookseller, and is their first effort in publishing The owner's primary interest is in WWI aviation.    They only printed 500 of this first effort, and I would recommend buying from them directly.

Dave #13 --part1_167.1a371108.2b59f5c6_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 20:53:19 -0600 From: "Matt Bittner" To: "wwi@wwi-models.org" Subject: Re: Russian Aeroplanes 1914 - 1918 Message-ID: > Title: Russian Aeroplanes 1914-1918 > Author: Mikhail Maslov I can vouch for the author. He has written a number of books dealing with VVS 'tweeners and GPW machines, and these he has written are considered "bibles" on the types. Very thorough and highly respected. Plus this one has the advantage of being in English. Man, I wish mine would have shown up today! Thanks for the review, Dave #13! :-) Matt ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 19:28:47 -0800 (added by postmaster@mail.san.yahoo.com) From: web@comdns.com Message-ID: <3E27167C000A6060@mta2.wss.scd.yahoo.com> (added by postmaster@mail.san.yahoo.com) =?GB2312?B?0/LD+6Gj?= To: wwi@wwi-models.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="GB2312" Reply-To: web@comdns.com Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2003 11:28:36 +0800 X-Priority: 3 X-Library: Indy 9.0.3-B X-Mailer: Foxmail 亲爱的朋友： 　　您好！ 　　这是来自厦门市盈通远航电子科技有限公司的问侯。感谢您收看这封邮件。我们真诚的希 望您能成为我们在贵地区的重要伙伴。我们是一家致力于互联网信息服务、电子商务服 务和企业应用服务的高新技术企业。我们有着多年从事操作系统的经验,这为我们的空间 稳定提供了保证.我们的服务宗旨是:稳定压倒一切!详情请浏览:http://www.comdns.com email:webmaster@comdns.com 谢谢！ 　　1、200M空间＋1个国际域名，功能全面，仅售150元/年； 　　 2、60M空间＋60M企业邮局＋1个国际域名，功能全面，仅售236元/年； 　　3、200M空间＋200M企业邮局＋1个国际域名，功能全面，仅售336元/年。 “稳定压倒一切”是全体盈通人的服务宗旨，我们郑重承诺： 1、盈通主机全部采用原装Dell PowerApp互联网应用服务器； 2、盈通主机全部安装正版Turbolinux或Microsoft操作系统； 3、采用世界标准的SNMP进行24x7x365 系统监测； 4、盈通主机客户一个月内可无条件全额退款；其它按实际余额退款。 　　祝：开心！顺利！ 厦门市盈通远航电子科技有限公司 地址：厦门市禾山路266-268号联谊大厦7楼 QQ:755139 电话:0592-5557492 传真:0592-5557491 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 23:05:47 -0500 From: "Mike Muth" To: Subject: Re: Weekend Message-ID: <00b501c2bea6$e1db7620$1106bacc@ptdprolog.net> Dave wrote > Tom, how much if that is down to your 'professional' habits? > > I've found guys who write notes etc as part of their jobs tend to do the same > with their hobbies. Not for me. I take notes all day long. When it comes to WWI Aviation, I tried for awhile...became too anal about it...and went back to the old "I know I read about this somewhere technique,,,,wasting a few hours poring over books, etc. OK, maybe not wasting! Mike Muth ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2003 02:10:00 -0500 (EST) From: Health.&.Beauty Subject: =?big5?Q?=C5@=BD=A7_Keep_Fit_=B7s=B8=EA=B0T_(=A4G)?= Message-ID: <062l11Eaj@party.seed.net.tw> 璋D! FITD! 戈癟ぇら涧痝 笿锣﹗丁㏄吏挂γ琕涧穕计絬ど庇稰,泊à借糷糤のをふ彩单拜肈ぃ螟иō娩тㄒ靡狦ぃ┋祇瞷局Τブ涧沸磑杠 ぃЙ秈ら涧痝毕诀! http://health4u.dns2go.info/skincare1.asp?userid=24145322 叫锣癳倒ō娩砱璋狟ね罢!! 谅谅!! If you do not want to receive our message in the future, please send a blank email to Bbeauty_health@yahoo.com.hk with subject: REMOVE. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2003 09:16:37 +0000 From: Nigel Cheffers-Heard To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Classic manufacturers Message-ID: Supermarine! Also with boat origins... N -- Nigel Cheffers-Heard photography + design tel: +44 (0)1392 87 58 57 fax: +44 (0)1392 87 74 97 mobile: 0771 261 4514 nigelch@cheffers.co.uk www.cheffers.co.uk Laburnums, Bridge Hill Topsham, Exeter EX3 0QQ, UK ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2003 12:52:34 +0000 From: dave.fleming@dial.pipex.com To: Subject: Re: Classic manufacturers Message-ID: <1042894354.3e294e121a4fe@netmail.pipex.net> Quoting Nigel Cheffers-Heard : > Supermarine! Also with boat origins... > N Shorts! Probably the longest surviving British aircraft manufacturer - the RAF still flies Shorts aircraft today. Dave is it quiet or am I unsubbed? ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2003 05:56:41 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Plesha To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Classic manufacturers Message-ID: <20030118135641.12463.qmail@web40308.mail.yahoo.com> --- dave.fleming@dial.pipex.com wrote: SNIP > Dave > > is it quiet or am I unsubbed? > > Your unsubbed! chuckle Later Tom __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2003 12:48:52 -0500 From: "Steven Perry" To: Subject: Voss Cowl, Jastagate, Bobilink, wing ripple, Nalgo, Cane Toad Message-ID: <000701c2bf19$efe14240$64a8a8c0@tampabay.rr.com> There, that ought to stir something up sp ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2003 13:37:19 EST From: Zulis@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Voss Cowl, Jastagate, Bobilink, wing ripple, Nalgo, Cane Toad Message-ID: <135.19bac21a.2b5af8df@aol.com> --part1_135.19bac21a.2b5af8df_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/18/2003 12:50:20 PM Eastern Standard Time, sperry03@tampabay.rr.com writes: > There, that ought to stir something up > sp > An evil brew from the alchemist.... :-) DZ --part1_135.19bac21a.2b5af8df_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/18/2003 12:50:20 PM Eastern Standard Time, sperry03@tampabay.rr.com writes:


There, that ought to stir something up
sp


An evil brew from the alchemist....    :-)

DZ --part1_135.19bac21a.2b5af8df_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2003 13:58:55 -0500 From: "Steven Perry" To: Subject: Re: Russian Aeroplanes 1914 - 1918 Message-ID: <002101c2bf23$a65760a0$65a8a8c0@tampabay.rr.com> > > It is published by Icarus Books (www.icarusbooks.com). This is a long-time, > reliable bookseller, and is their first effort in publishing The owner's > primary interest is in WWI aviation. They only printed 500 of this first > effort, and I would recommend buying from them directly. Just spoke to my friend August Blume, an enthusiastic RCW scholar, and he highly recommends this book. He's been buying books all his life, but this is the first time he's dealt with Icarus and he couldn't say enough good about them either. sp ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2003 14:49:34 EST From: VMA324Vagabonds@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Russian Aeroplanes 1914 - 1918 Message-ID: --part1_f3.271e200a.2b5b09ce_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/18/2003 2:00:33 PM Eastern Standard Time, sperry03@tampabay.rr.com writes: > Just spoke to my friend August Blume, an enthusiastic RCW scholar, and he > highly recommends this book. > He's been buying books all his life, but this is the first time he's dealt > with Icarus and he couldn't say enough good about them either. > sp > Thanks for the extra info on this book, SP. I am anxiously awaiting my copy. Best regards, Jon --part1_f3.271e200a.2b5b09ce_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/18/2003 2:00:33 PM Eastern Standard Time, sperry03@tampabay.rr.com writes:

Just spoke to my friend August Blume, an enthusiastic RCW scholar, and he
highly recommends this book.
He's been buying books all his life, but this is the first time he's dealt
with Icarus and he couldn't say enough good about them either.
sp


Thanks for the extra info on this book, SP. I am anxiously awaiting my copy.

                                           Best regards,
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