WWI Digest 4928 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Roden Se5a and Albatros DV by Eric GALLAUD 2) Re: "The Jasta Pilots" by Dave Townsend 3) RE: Anyone fancy a challenge? by "Stuart L. Malone" 4) Eindecker wings - photography by knuterha@eunet.no 5) Re: kamikaze morane-saulnier by "Steven Perry" 6) Re: Roden Se5a and Albatros DV by "Shane Weier" 7) Re: Roden Se5a and Albatros DV by "Shane Weier" 8) Re: Junkers J1 wasRE: Re: Roden Se5a and Albatros DV by "Shane Weier" 9) Re: The Price of the Eduard Junkers J.I by "Shane Weier" 10) Re: The Price of the Eduard Junkers J.I by "Shane Weier" 11) Re: kamikaze morane-saulnier by "Pedro Soares" 12) RE: Anyone fancy a challenge? by "Bob Pearson" 13) Alps help by "Bob Pearson" 14) Re: The Price of the Eduard Junkers J.I by Steve Cox 15) Garros urban myth by "M.G. Sheftall" 16) Re: "The Jasta Pilots" by haywardd 17) Re: "The Jasta Pilots" by "Matt Bittner" 18) RE: Anyone fancy a challenge? by "Ross & Wendy Moorhouse" 19) Re: Breakin' One Off, Then Another... by Sean Brian Kirby 20) Re: "The Jasta Pilots" by Dave Townsend 21) RE: Garros urban myth by RadspadMike@netscape.net 22) =?GB2312?B?1tC5+srXvNKhsM/I1s6yoaGi1Nm4tr/uobHSvdS6s9DFtQ==?= by =?GB2312?B?xOO1xMXz09E=?= <78979879@98797.com> 23) RE: Anyone fancy a challenge? by "Stuart L. Malone" 24) Gunbus movie/was Garros urban myth by "Mike Muth" 25) Re: Eindecker wings - photography by "Mike Muth" 26) Re: Fokker DVII by "Mike Muth" 27) Re: Eindecker wings by Ray ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 21:11:23 +0100 From: Eric GALLAUD To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Roden Se5a and Albatros DV Message-ID: <3E2711EB.9010005@club-internet.fr> I think I will buy one Profipack only. Crawford Neil a 閏rit: >>Which, incidentally, makes the J.1 a strange diversion. Just >>who will be >>buying it. >> >> > >Me probably > > > > >>Have you seen the price? >> >> > >OTOH, perhaps not;-) > >It is a rather surprising choice I must agree, but it is German, >and rather big and ugly, maybe they think they can fool some Luft'46 >enthusiasts into buying it! >/Neil C. >PS. No rigging! > > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 15:17:22 -0500 From: Dave Townsend To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: "The Jasta Pilots" Message-ID: <3E271352.2060904@patriot.net> Daniel Hayward wrote: > I was just poking around at www.scholarsbookshelf.com and I see they have > "The Jasta Pilots" by Norman Franks for $18.95, $31.00 off its regular > price. Is this a book worth getting? Depends on what you're interested in, of course. See below. > Can anyone tell me anything about it? The bulk of the book is an alphabetical listing of the German pilots from the Jastas, together with a bit of biographical information (usually just a line or two), what unit they served with, and a listing of their victories. Note that the aces had their info covered in the companion book "Above the Lines", so the entry for M v Richthofen (etc) is just a couple of lines, with a reference to the other book. There's a section of pictures, but of course the emphasis is on the people rather than the aircraft. An appendix covers Jasta Colo(u)rs. I have no idea how well it agrees (or expands on) information available from the modelling community. The other substantial section is about the Jastas themselves, with a short history, list of airfields, commanders, and victories. I made a web page to allow me to browse the airfield assignments from this section (with permission of Rick Duiven); the page is at http://patriot.net/~townsend/WW1AirMap/ . Not much of interest here to modelers, and there's no good stories here -- but the information that IS here is available nowhere else that I could find. Dave Townsend townsend@patriot.net ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 15:52:39 -0600 From: "Stuart L. Malone" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: RE: Anyone fancy a challenge? Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20030116154731.00b57a48@pop-server.kc.rr.com> I will testify, as I managed to turn out something from the globs of plastic supplied by Merlin that resembled an Airco DH5; well, at least the end result had reverse staggered wings..... BTW, the whole front end is lead. It tends to nose over almost by itself. Now what to do with all the others that I will never build. Stuart L. Malone At 07:44 AM 1/16/2003 -0500, you wrote: >This is a very accurate description of their GeeBeeR1 that I once built! >/Neil C. (+5 and nice weather for a change, snows all gone unfortunately) > > > After a while the molds degraded or > > something like that and > > you are left to carve the model from a big lump of plastic. > > I'm exagerating a > > bit, but it will seem like you carved the model from scratch. > > > > Ray > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 22:54:29 +0100 (CET) From: knuterha@eunet.no To: Subject: Eindecker wings - photography Message-ID: <4682.193.214.111.226.1042754069.squirrel@webmail.kpnqwest.no> Hei, I am used to quite a few different variations of spelling and pronounciating my name after working almost ten years offshore. It isn`often it makes as much sense as this time.... I am planning more photographic expeditions in my next break periods, the Brussels Museum is very tempting with its WW1 and other contents. Is there something more I should bring than a powerful flash and a wide-angle lense for use in close quarters, do I need to apply for a permit in advance? When it gets a bit warmer in Northern Europe, Helsinki might be another possiblity to spend some frequent flyer miles. Eders Knut Erik >> However there are some EIII's around (Isnt there one in the Science >> Museum in London). > IIRC, there is ONLY one - some nut and I have taken of it are on the > site. Of course, as it hangs from the roof (and is very dusty) you > can't exactly easily measure it. (BTW the same fate apparently now > awaits the RAF Museum's Fkr DVII) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 16:59:13 -0500 From: "Steven Perry" To: Subject: Re: kamikaze morane-saulnier Message-ID: <006b01c2bdaa$8339f9e0$64a8a8c0@tampabay.rr.com> There was a Russian guy, first one to loop, but I can't recall the name. He rammed something, airplane IIRC and died in the aftermath. Certianly a brave and heroic impulse, but not a trait likely to be passed on. sp > IIRC, that never happened, and Garros? (who was supposed to have done it) was > also supposed to have come out the other side unhurt. Total press fabrication. > > FWIW > -- > Merrill Anderson > > History question for this erudite list: > > > > Does anyone have info on a Morane-Saulnier pilot who did a kamikaze dive > > into a Zeppelin over Paris after he'd missed with all his bombs? Both > > machines and all crew members were destroyed in the subsequent explosion. > > > > A name, place and date would be a good start. > > > > Read the account in a Japanese book trying to argue the universality of > > self-immolation tactics. > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 08:00:35 +1000 From: "Shane Weier" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Roden Se5a and Albatros DV Message-ID: Michael, >Third, just wait to see what NKR charges. My comment was prompted by an email from Earl about just what NKR will be charging. Maybe I should be buying this one from elsewhere Shane ******************************** My Strine is a Toad in Disguise ******************************** _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 08:05:08 +1000 From: "Shane Weier" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Roden Se5a and Albatros DV Message-ID: 'ming >To get OT, are there any records of cricket matches between British and >Connomwealth troops in WW1? Yes. You lost. It's traditional ;-) Seriously, yes there are and there even photos. Also plenty of photos of Aussies playing against Aussies, including on the beach at Anzac Cove Shane ******************************** My Strine is a Toad in Disguise ******************************** _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 08:07:44 +1000 From: "Shane Weier" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Junkers J1 wasRE: Re: Roden Se5a and Albatros DV Message-ID: Neil >Yes that's very true, but as quick builds I've found that >Junkers are perfect. Not only is there no rigging, but also >no puttying, if a Junkers needs puttying it's such a sad case >that it can happily be sent to the scrapyard. I expect the >Eduard won't have any problems like that, so should be a >very quick build. Instant gratification! OTOH it has a veritable forest of struts going every which way/ Now that ought to grey some hair Shane (except here, where I have no fear of greying hair atop ) ******************************** My Strine is a Toad in Disguise ******************************** _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8 is here: Try it free* for 2 months http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/dialup ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 08:15:07 +1000 From: "Shane Weier" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: The Price of the Eduard Junkers J.I Message-ID: Brent, >I wonder if the work required to add the corrugated surfaces is a >factor >in the cost. It may have taken more labor to master. Probably got a job lot when they mastered the Tante Ju Actually, that may explain why the Junkers. Having cut their teeth so to speak on the airliner it was too good an opportunity to miss. Shane ******************************** My Strine is a Toad in Disguise ******************************** _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 08:16:53 +1000 From: "Shane Weier" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: The Price of the Eduard Junkers J.I Message-ID: Michael, >Weren't some used during the RCW in the early Soviet air force? Yes, yes, >I >seem to recall a scheme with no fewer than 24 red stars on every surface, >including the cockpit interior flown by no less than Ivor Noktabolokoff >Downadich in 1920. So long as your whetting our appetites, do you mind translating the patriotic slogans as well? Shane ******************************** My Strine is a Toad in Disguise ******************************** _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 23:38:28 -0000 From: "Pedro Soares" To: Subject: Re: kamikaze morane-saulnier Message-ID: <007e01c2bdb8$6068aca0$f8fa16d5@netcabo.pt> Steve rightly says: > There was a Russian guy, first one to loop, but I can't recall the name. Petr Nikolaevich Nesterov He > rammed something, airplane IIRC a 2 seater Albatros. But before the raming stunt that cost him his life IIRC he had already tried some very curious unorthodox techniques for bringing the opponent's aircraft down, like tying an anchor with explosives to the end of a rope and trying to get the anchor to get caught in the opposing aircraft, or tying a huge knife to the tailskid and trying to cut through the fabric of the opponent.... Pedro ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 15:27:27 -0800 From: "Bob Pearson" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: RE: Anyone fancy a challenge? Message-ID: <104276041401@smtp-2.vancouver.ipapp.com> Of all the Merlins I have, the DH5 is far and away the best of the lot. I have also built the Nieuport 11 and Canuk .. both of these had a strange plastic that tended to flake off when sanded .. but the DH5 was a very nice kit. Bob ---------- >From: "Stuart L. Malone" > > I will testify, as I managed to turn out something from the globs of > plastic supplied by Merlin that resembled an Airco DH5; well, at least the > end result had reverse staggered wings..... BTW, the whole front end is > lead. It tends to nose over almost by itself. Now what to do with all the > others that I will never build. > > Stuart L. Malone ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 15:38:36 -0800 From: "Bob Pearson" To: ww1 mailing list Subject: Alps help Message-ID: <104276042301@smtp-2.vancouver.ipapp.com> Hi all, Could someone with an alps printer please contact me offlist. Bob ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 23:40:04 +0000 From: Steve Cox To: Subject: Re: The Price of the Eduard Junkers J.I Message-ID: There's the book "Vom Lilienthalgleiter zur fliegenden Annelise". This has lots of pictures, and copies of early and late Junkers drawings. The pictures show just about every variant of the cross, and several aircraft are identifiable: 825/17, 852/17, 849/17, 140/17 852/17 had a lozenge covered fuselage there is one colour profile of 121/18, shown in green/brown on upper surfaces, blue underneath, white rudder. It's very difficult to discern any camouflage pattern in any of the black and white pictures (except 852/17) regards Steve =========================================== steve@oldglebe.freeserve.co.uk http://www.oldglebe.freeserve.co.uk/steveshome.html http://www.bramptonscalemodelclub.fsnet.co.uk If I didn't spend so much time on line 媼 I'd get some models finished ================ > Quoting Matt Bittner : > >> On Thu, 16 Jan 2003 12:12:25 -0500 (EST), xtv16@dial.pipex.com >> wrote: >> >>> Anyway, it's big, ugly and German - should go a bomb! >> >> Now to find schemes for it. I have the Datafile, but no doubt >> Eduard took their schemes straight from there. Any other sources >> for the Flying Furniture Van? :-) >> >> ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 08:38:06 +0900 From: "M.G. Sheftall" To: Subject: Garros urban myth Message-ID: <001801c2bdb9$212fb7d0$0f4f07d3@yourmjz5hbs8mp> So, the Zeppeling crash would seem to be just another case of wartime apologist horse puckey. Not that the Japanese haven't shoveled their share of that in recent decades...;-) The man who wrote the piece, by the way, is named Toshiharu Konada. He was an ensign in the Kaiten "human torpedo" corps, and is now the chairman of the Japan Kaiten Memorial Association. Met him during the course of research I've been doing on kamikaze. Very erudite guy, and his logic is consistent, in its own funhouse mirror kinda way. Surreal to be sitting in the lobby of a Tokyo hotel with a guy telling you how "elated" he was when he found out that the "special attack unit" he had been assigned to (NOT volunteer) was in fact a human torpedo unit. "To die trying to save the Japanese race would have made me happier than anything I could have accomplished alive." Konada-san spent several hours trying to convince me of the Nathan Hale "pro patria mori..." aspects of this mindset, but the only universality I kept seeing in my mind's eye was Iranian teenagers in green headbands chanting Allah-hu Akbar as they played human jack-in-the-box in Iraqi minefields. Thanks all for clearing up that Morane-Saulnier kamikaze bit for me. When I first read it a couple of days ago, I was like "Huh? Thirty-five years of WWI interest...why have I never heard of this? Certainly it would have made the "Gunbus" movie, at least..." ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 18:49:47 -0500 From: haywardd To: Subject: Re: "The Jasta Pilots" Message-ID: Thank you Dave and Merrill for the helpful info, I've ordered the book. Dan > From: Dave Townsend > Reply-To: wwi@wwi-models.org > Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 15:19:21 -0500 (EST) > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: [WWI] Re: "The Jasta Pilots" > > Daniel Hayward wrote: >> I was just poking around at www.scholarsbookshelf.com and I see they have >> "The Jasta Pilots" by Norman Franks for $18.95, $31.00 off its regular >> price. Is this a book worth getting? > > Depends on what you're interested in, of course. See below. > >> Can anyone tell me anything about it? > > The bulk of the book is an alphabetical listing of the > German pilots from the Jastas, together with a bit of > biographical information (usually just a line or two), > what unit they served with, and a listing of their victories. > Note that the aces had their info covered in the companion > book "Above the Lines", so the entry for M v Richthofen (etc) > is just a couple of lines, with a reference to the other > book. > > There's a section of pictures, but of course the emphasis > is on the people rather than the aircraft. > > An appendix covers Jasta Colo(u)rs. I have no idea > how well it agrees (or expands on) information available > from the modelling community. > > The other substantial section is about the Jastas themselves, > with a short history, list of airfields, commanders, and > victories. > > I made a web page to allow me to browse the airfield assignments > from this section (with permission of Rick Duiven); the page > is at http://patriot.net/~townsend/WW1AirMap/ . > > Not much of interest here to modelers, and there's no > good stories here -- but the information that IS here is > available nowhere else that I could find. > > Dave Townsend > townsend@patriot.net > > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 17:58:40 -0600 From: "Matt Bittner" To: "wwi@wwi-models.org" Subject: Re: "The Jasta Pilots" Message-ID: On Thu, 16 Jan 2003 15:19:18 -0500 (EST), Dave Townsend wrote: > An appendix covers Jasta Colo(u)rs. I have no idea > how well it agrees (or expands on) information available > from the modelling community. Wasn't that section done by Greg Van Wyngarden? Matt ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 11:00:41 +1100 From: "Ross & Wendy Moorhouse" To: Subject: RE: Anyone fancy a challenge? Message-ID: <002d01c2bdbb$79990280$f5482dcb@future> Well if anyone wants to donate a Merlin kit I will take it. ;-) Cheers Ross -----Original Message----- From: wwi@wwi-models.org [mailto:wwi@wwi-models.org] On Behalf Of Bob Pearson Sent: Friday, 17 January 2003 10:43 AM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [WWI] RE: Anyone fancy a challenge? Of all the Merlins I have, the DH5 is far and away the best of the lot. I have also built the Nieuport 11 and Canuk .. both of these had a strange plastic that tended to flake off when sanded .. but the DH5 was a very nice kit. Bob ---------- >From: "Stuart L. Malone" > > I will testify, as I managed to turn out something from the globs of > plastic supplied by Merlin that resembled an Airco DH5; well, at least the > end result had reverse staggered wings..... BTW, the whole front end is > lead. It tends to nose over almost by itself. Now what to do with all the > others that I will never build. > > Stuart L. Malone ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 16:27:14 -0800 (PST) From: Sean Brian Kirby To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Breakin' One Off, Then Another... Message-ID: <20030117002714.94646.qmail@web14801.mail.yahoo.com> --- Dave Burke wrote: > Since I bought my .357 Magnum, I use it for drilling > the hole with a bullet. > Then I copiously putty the hole back to the > appropriate diameter. Now THAT'S skill. Sean ===== www.pitpass.com __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 19:27:27 -0500 From: Dave Townsend To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: "The Jasta Pilots" Message-ID: <3E274DEF.7080605@patriot.net> Matt Bittner wrote: >>An appendix covers Jasta Colo(u)rs. I have no idea >>how well it agrees (or expands on) information available >>from the modelling community. > > Wasn't that section done by Greg Van Wyngarden? A quick skim reveals that GVW was responsible for the artwork and some of the photographs, but he does not seem to be credits for the text of this section. Dave Townsend townsend@patriot.net ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 20:05:15 -0500 From: RadspadMike@netscape.net To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: RE: Garros urban myth Message-ID: <03CCDCA5.07D00D62.3E0364A1@netscape.net> "M.G. Sheftall" wrote: >So, the Zeppeling crash would seem to be just another case of wartime >apologist horse puckey. Not that the Japanese haven't shoveled their share >of that in recent decades...;-) > >The man who wrote the piece, by the way, is named Toshiharu Konada. He was >an ensign in the Kaiten "human torpedo" corps, and is now the chairman of >the Japan Kaiten Memorial Association. It would seem that surviving members of a "suicide mission" unit were never really successful participants or were "upper management" that dispatched the patriotic "one-trippers". How else to be one and later chair a memorial group? I suppose, unlike kamikaze aircraft, it might be possible for the human torpedo crews to abandon their craft when it was certain to hit the target, but I don't get the idea that that was the plan. I don't think you would find a friendly reception in the lifeboats of the sinking ship. To make this OT, I don't believe that the Russian Nesteroff (?), Garros and probably several other WWI pilots (I'm reminded of a French pilot that was rumored to be a werewolf or somesuch . . . took to running wild in the woods for days on a periodic basis), were overly patriotic and wanted to die for their country. I think they were frustrated with their equipment and organizational limitations and were over-zealous, perhaps foolhardy, in trying, on a personal basis, to find ways to defeat their enemies. FWIW at a slow time on the list, Mike Kavanaugh __________________________________________________________________ The NEW Netscape 7.0 browser is now available. 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Malone" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: RE: Anyone fancy a challenge? Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20030116202002.00d57710@pop-server.kc.rr.com> I think this falls under the previously discussed subject of "at what point during the run was yours made". Because my experience was exactly opposite of yours, Bob. My Nieuport 11 went together quite well, but it was war with the DH5. IIRC, the Roland DII I built was somewhere in between. Stuart L. Malone At 06:42 PM 1/16/03 -0500, you wrote: >Of all the Merlins I have, the DH5 is far and away the best of the lot. I >have also built the Nieuport 11 and Canuk .. both of these had a strange >plastic that tended to flake off when sanded .. but the DH5 was a very nice >kit. > >Bob > >---------- > >From: "Stuart L. Malone" > > > > > I will testify, as I managed to turn out something from the globs of > > plastic supplied by Merlin that resembled an Airco DH5; well, at least the > > end result had reverse staggered wings..... BTW, the whole front end is > > lead. It tends to nose over almost by itself. Now what to do with all the > > others that I will never build. > > > > Stuart L. Malone ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 22:15:15 -0500 From: "Mike Muth" To: Subject: Gunbus movie/was Garros urban myth Message-ID: <002c01c2bdd6$a8caa8e0$1106bacc@ptdprolog.net> Thirty-five years of > WWI interest...why have I never heard of this? Certainly it would have made > the "Gunbus" movie, at least..." Ah Ha! I knew there was a movie with this title...yet I've never seen it. Anyone have any idea if it is available or worth watching? Mike Muth ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 22:17:22 -0500 From: "Mike Muth" To: Subject: Re: Eindecker wings - photography Message-ID: <003301c2bdd6$f4cfb820$1106bacc@ptdprolog.net> Knut I have been there twice. Both times there seemed to be little if any supervision. The planes are roped off, but no one seemed to care if I went inside the ropes. Can't say if that is still true. First visit the planes were filthy...dust over everything. 2nd time much cleaner. Mike Muth ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 4:55 PM Subject: [WWI] Eindecker wings - photography > Hei, > > I am used to quite a few different variations of spelling and > pronounciating my name after working almost ten years offshore. > It isn`often it makes as much sense as this time.... > > I am planning more photographic expeditions in my next break periods, > the Brussels Museum is very tempting with its WW1 and other contents. > Is there something more I should bring than a powerful flash and > a wide-angle lense for use in close quarters, do I need to apply > for a permit in advance? > When it gets a bit warmer in Northern Europe, Helsinki might be another > possiblity to spend some frequent flyer miles. > > > Eders > Knut Erik > > >> However there are some EIII's around (Isnt there one in the Science > >> Museum in London). > > IIRC, there is ONLY one - some nut and I have taken of it are on the > > site. Of course, as it hangs from the roof (and is very dusty) you > > can't exactly easily measure it. (BTW the same fate apparently now > > awaits the RAF Museum's Fkr DVII) > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 22:19:01 -0500 From: "Mike Muth" To: Subject: Re: Fokker DVII Message-ID: <003e01c2bdd7$2f3f6fa0$1106bacc@ptdprolog.net> > Postman brought today my Fokker DVII anthologies 1& 2 that I won on ebay. What > excellent publications! I shall have to get Vol 3, for no other reason than to > complete the set! (Anyone know if a Vol 4 is expected?) A 4th volume is advertised in Volume 3...looks like Postwar stuff. Mike Muth ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 19:24:44 -0800 From: Ray To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Eindecker wings Message-ID: <200301161924.44733.Ray_Boorman@telus.net> On Thursday 16 January 2003 07:38, Dave #??? wrote: > IIRC, there is ONLY one - some nut and I have taken of it are on the site. > Of course, as it hangs from the roof (and is very dusty) you can't exactly > easily measure it. (BTW the same fate apparently now awaits the RAF > Museum's Fkr DVII) Darn the EIII was hanging on the ceiling when I was a kid I wonder how much dust 30 more years would add. Seriously I wonder if they take it down from time to time and if they do, have they ever measured it. You would think that some researcher would have by now and that information would be available. i mean darn it it was the Science Museum aren't they supposed to get the specifications and such ;) > So could the earlier 1/48th wing be correct for a EIV? Certainly, the > spacing of the ribs on the 1/72 kit doesn't match those on the DF16 > drawings, although it does only have 12 ribs I had two reasons for getting rid of all the rib detail on my EIV. One was it was so darned overdone. The other was so I could re-do the spacings to look like the one in the mini datafile plans. Of course all this was foiled to some extent because once I had sanded and applied Mr Surfacer over the tapes, you could say the ribs were so subtle they could barely be seen. Oh well next time i will get it right. Btw isnt there a EI-II-III somewhere in an eastern european museum?? or am I imagining it (Probably) Ray ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 4928 **********************