WWI Digest 4927 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Roden Se5a and Albatros DV by "Michael Kendix" 2) Re: Roden Se5a and Albatros DV by "Michael Kendix" 3) Re: brushwork by "Diego Fernetti" 4) Re: Roden Se5a and Albatros DV by xtv16@dial.pipex.com 5) Re: Roden Se5a and Albatros DV by xtv16@dial.pipex.com 6) Re: Roden Se5a and Albatros DV by "Michael Kendix" 7) Junkers J1 wasRE: Re: Roden Se5a and Albatros DV by Crawford Neil 8) Re: Eindecker wings by Ray 9) Re: Eindecker wings by Dave Fleming 10) Re: brushwork by Crawford Neil 11) Re: Roden Se5a no spare parts. by Crawford Neil 12) Re: Eindecker wings by dave.fleming@dial.pipex.com 13) Re: Eindecker wings by Crawford Neil 14) Fokker DVII by dave.fleming@dial.pipex.com 15) Re: Fokker DVII by "Michael Kendix" 16) Re: Breakin' One Off, Then Another... by "Brent Theobald" 17) Re: Eindecker wings by "Diego Fernetti" 18) Re: Fokker DVII by xtv16@dial.pipex.com 19) Re: kamikaze morane-saulnier by "Brent Theobald" 20) The Price of the Eduard Junkers J.I by "Brent Theobald" 21) =?big5?q?=C3=E2=D9MIDD=EB=8A=D4=92=A3=AC=D2=BB=CA=C0=C8=CE=B4=F2=A3=A1DIY_-_HK$499?= by =?big5?q?=C3=E2=B7=D1IDD_?= 22) Re: The Price of the Eduard Junkers J.I by xtv16@dial.pipex.com 23) Re: The Price of the Eduard Junkers J.I by "Matt Bittner" 24) Re: The Price of the Eduard Junkers J.I by "Michael Kendix" 25) Re: The Price of the Eduard Junkers J.I by "ot811ms" 26) Re: The Price of the Eduard Junkers J.I by "David C. Fletcher" 27) Re: The Price of the Eduard Junkers J.I by dave.fleming@dial.pipex.com 28) Re: kamikaze morane-saulnier by pfalzdvii@att.net 29) re: Merlin DH.10 by VMA324Vagabonds@aol.com 30) "The Jasta Pilots" by Daniel Hayward 31) Re: "The Jasta Pilots" by pfalzdvii@att.net 32) Re: The Price of the Eduard Junkers J.I by Mike Fletcher 33) Re: The Price of the Eduard Junkers J.I by "Bob Pearson" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 14:08:46 +0000 From: "Michael Kendix" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Roden Se5a and Albatros DV Message-ID: >From: dave.fleming@dial.pipex.com > >Looks like they have missed off the aileron control covers for the DV ->we >shall see. >As for the SE5 struts - just like a vac form!! Don't quite understand this? Michael _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 14:14:24 +0000 From: "Michael Kendix" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Roden Se5a and Albatros DV Message-ID: >From: dave.fleming@dial.pipex.com >In the Uk, the price difference will be about £1 I reckon, but as I > >mentioned before, the big factor for me will be availability - neither > >of the two reasonable model shops in Scotland has Eduard reliably - I would guess that this is the manufacturer assigning monopolistic distribution rights. In the DC metropolitan area, Roden kits are not readily found in the stores. Squadron and Stevens are the 2 places to get these kits mail order and they can thereby maintain a higher sales price since all the little guys who sell out of their basements and therefore have low overhead, cannot undercut them. > > which'll happen when we win back the Ashes. > > >Now there is a challenge!! Maybe Shane should start laying them down >for >summer 2004!! I think 2104 might be more realistic. Michael _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 14:12:33 +0000 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: brushwork Message-ID: Neil on the Rocks wrote: >Underwater? sounds messy! It was. Convinced me of not even try again. D. bring the Toads! _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 14:26:21 +0000 From: xtv16@dial.pipex.com To: Subject: Re: Roden Se5a and Albatros DV Message-ID: <1042727181.3e26c10d82e21@netmail.pipex.net> Quoting Michael Kendix : > >From: dave.fleming@dial.pipex.com > >As for the SE5 struts - just like a vac form!! > > Don't quite understand this? > The lack of 'joined' struts makes it, in my view, just like a vacform in that each strut need careful placement on it's own, the only diff. is that with a vac you have to cut your own struts. By which I meant not impossibly difficult! Dave Fleming ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 14:37:02 +0000 From: xtv16@dial.pipex.com To: Subject: Re: Roden Se5a and Albatros DV Message-ID: <1042727822.3e26c38e282f5@netmail.pipex.net> Quoting Michael Kendix : > I would guess that this is the manufacturer assigning monopolistic > distribution rights. In the DC metropolitan area, Roden kits are not > readily found in the stores. Squadron and Stevens are the 2 places to > get > these kits mail order and they can thereby maintain a higher sales price > > since all the little guys who sell out of their basements and therefore > have > low overhead, cannot undercut them. > It's strange, discounting does not happen very much in the UK, in spite of resale price maintenance being illegal. > > > which'll happen when we win back the Ashes. > > > > >Now there is a challenge!! Maybe Shane should start laying them down > >for > >summer 2004!! > > I think 2104 might be more realistic. > Oh ye of little faith - if England could get their first choice team out, they could probably give the Aussies a run for their money, especially if they set the wickets for an English summer. To get OT, are there any records of cricket matches between British and Connomwealth troops in WW1? Dave ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 14:39:04 +0000 From: "Michael Kendix" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Roden Se5a and Albatros DV Message-ID: Dave: OK, I get it. Actually, I thought it was easier because usually the cabanes do not fit right (often my own fault) so it's a lot easier to make these cabanes than say cabne structure for an Albatros D.III. Michael >From: xtv16@dial.pipex.com >Quoting Michael Kendix : > > > >From: dave.fleming@dial.pipex.com > > >As for the SE5 struts - just like a vac form!! > > > > Don't quite understand this? > > > >The lack of 'joined' struts makes it, in my view, just like a vacform in >that >each strut need careful placement on it's own, the only diff. is that with >a >vac you have to cut your own struts. > >By which I meant not impossibly difficult! > >Dave Fleming _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 15:42:27 +0100 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: Junkers J1 wasRE: Re: Roden Se5a and Albatros DV Message-ID: Yes that's very true, but as quick builds I've found that Junkers are perfect. Not only is there no rigging, but also no puttying, if a Junkers needs puttying it's such a sad case that it can happily be sent to the scrapyard. I expect the Eduard won't have any problems like that, so should be a very quick build. Instant gratification! /Neil C. > >PS. No rigging! > > This is its main downfall in my view. "Rigging maketh the model." :) > > Michael > > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE*. > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 07:30:29 -0800 From: Ray To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Eindecker wings Message-ID: <200301160730.29611.Ray_Boorman@telus.net> In the later datafile on the EI and EII Peter Grosz mentions the fact that its very difficult to pin down specific measurements to the aircraft types. However there are some EIII's around (Isnt there one in the Science Museum in London). So you can build those specific aircraft. As for EIV's well they only built 36 or so and most of the authors on the subject in the past 20 years say it was the same wing span as the EIII but a long fuselage. Now heres the rub, they also say the wing had an extra rib. Did they change the spacing or does this mean the wing was longer. - Dont you love early wwi..... Ray On Wednesday 15 January 2003 23:47, you wrote: > Opposed to this is Peter Grosz who writes in the E.IV minidatafile that > "...the Fokker E.IV had the same wingspan as the less powerful E.III...", > and says that the span of both was 10m. > > I tried comparing the ribs with rigging entry points and wingtips on clear > pics but failed to come to a satisfactory conclusion. > > Alas, another 1/48th scale Eduard kit remains unbuilt. > > Rob B ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 15:37:26 +0000 From: Dave Fleming To: Subject: Re: Eindecker wings Message-ID: <1042731446.3e26d1b6e01e4@netmail.pipex.net> Quoting Ray : > In the later datafile on the EI and EII Peter Grosz mentions the fact > that its > very difficult to pin down specific measurements to the aircraft types. > > However there are some EIII's around (Isnt there one in the Science > Museum in > London). IIRC, there is ONLY one - some nut and I have taken of it are on the site. Of course, as it hangs from the roof (and is very dusty) you can't exactly easily measure it. (BTW the same fate apparently now awaits the RAF Museum's Fkr DVII) >So you can build those specific aircraft. As for EIV's well > they > only built 36 or so and most of the authors on the subject in the past > 20 > years say it was the same wing span as the EIII but a long fuselage. Now > > heres the rub, they also say the wing had an extra rib. Did they change > the > spacing or does this mean the wing was longer. - Dont you love early > wwi..... > So could the earlier 1/48th wing be correct for a EIV? Certainly, the spacing of the ribs on the 1/72 kit doesn't match those on the DF16 drawings, although it does only have 12 ribs Dave ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 16:39:41 +0100 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: Re: brushwork Message-ID: Me too, and also for all CA glueing. /Neil C. > > Full respirator mask everytime I spray anything. > > Michael > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 16:43:45 +0100 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: Re: Roden Se5a no spare parts. Message-ID: Yes thats a pity. The Airfix HP0/400 is a good supplier of extremely good Lewis guns, but a trifle expensive! /Neil C. > > Shame that the Se5a doesn't have the spares parts like the D.s Was > hoping to get some nice Lewis guns as extras. > > Cheers > > Ross > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 15:46:33 +0000 From: dave.fleming@dial.pipex.com To: Subject: Re: Eindecker wings Message-ID: <1042731993.3e26d3d9a899c@netmail.pipex.net> Quoting Dave Fleming : >> > > > However there are some EIII's around (Isnt there one in the Science > > Museum in > > London). > > IIRC, there is ONLY one - some nut and I have taken of it are on the > site. Oops - that should read "some photos Knut and I have taken" Dave the fat fingered idiot ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 16:48:24 +0100 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: Re: Eindecker wings Message-ID: What a difference a K makes! /Neil C. > > > IIRC, there is ONLY one - some nut and I have taken of it are on the > > site. > > Oops - that should read "some photos Knut and I have taken" > > Dave the fat fingered idiot > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 16:05:48 +0000 From: dave.fleming@dial.pipex.com To: Subject: Fokker DVII Message-ID: <1042733148.3e26d85ccc252@netmail.pipex.net> Postman brought today my Fokker DVII anthologies 1& 2 that I won on ebay. What excellent publications! I shall have to get Vol 3, for no other reason than to complete the set! (Anyone know if a Vol 4 is expected?) Whats intruiges me if the depth of examination - the only other aircraft type that I can think of with the same level of interst/intensity of study is the 1- 0-thingy. Wonder why that is? Probably because in both cases a lot of the original documentation is lost. Oh well, there are at least three DVIIs I want to build!! Dave ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 16:20:55 +0000 From: "Michael Kendix" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Fokker DVII Message-ID: >From: dave.fleming@dial.pipex.com >Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 11:07:22 -0500 (EST) >Whats intruiges me if the depth of examination - the only other >aircraft >type that I can think of with the same level of >interst/intensity of study >is the 1- 0-thingy. You must be joking mate! Have you seen the literature on F*-19*'s or about half a dozen other WW2 German things, P-5*'s, P-*7's, Cor*****? Michael _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 16:28:55 +0000 From: "Brent Theobald" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Breakin' One Off, Then Another... Message-ID: Howdy! > > I can't remember the last one I broke. >Wow. Well, I also can't remember the last time I rigged a model... :-) Hah! Brent _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8 is here: Try it free* for 2 months http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/dialup ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 16:31:14 +0000 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Eindecker wings Message-ID: Oh, really? D. >From: Crawford Neil >What a difference a K makes! >/Neil C. _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM: Try the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 16:37:36 +0000 From: xtv16@dial.pipex.com To: Subject: Re: Fokker DVII Message-ID: <1042735056.3e26dfd03f2de@netmail.pipex.net> Quoting Michael Kendix : :07:22 -0500 (EST) > > >Whats intruiges me if the depth of examination - the only other > >aircraft > >type that I can think of with the same level of >interst/intensity of > study > >is the 1- 0-thingy. > > You must be joking mate! Have you seen the literature on F*-19*'s or > about > half a dozen other WW2 German things, P-5*'s, P-*7's, Cor*****? > The Fw*90 approaches it, but I've not seen anything on that that approaches the level of depth on the 109 or (in this case) the DVII. Have a look at the 109 site to see the depth of the obsession into cowl shapes, canopies etc etc. As for the American stuff, again there isn't the depth of research, and for (I think) one good reason - most of the production modifications etc are documented in Company archives etc etc where as much of the data on the DVII etc is having to be re-discovered. Dave ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 16:39:15 +0000 From: "Brent Theobald" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: kamikaze morane-saulnier Message-ID: Howdy! >Read the account in a Japanese book trying to argue the universality of >self-immolation tactics. Don't you have any *happy* books? Sheesh! You know, good triumphs over evil and the hero gets the girl in the end? Not to mention living happily ever after. ;-) Later! 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It may have taken more labor to master. I know the > corrugations > were an issue with other people's molds too. They tended to tear up the > molds. > Is it that expensive? UK price of the non-profi is £12.55, which considering the size of the J1, the cost of an equivalent resin kit, and the cost of other IJ kits, doesn't seem too expensive to me. As for the choice of the J1, I can see Shane's point about it being a strange one, but maybe they hope to sell it on the basis of 'the biplane for those who don't like biplanes - no rigging!' Anyway, it's big, ugly and German - should go a bomb! Dave Fleming ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 11:17:54 -0600 From: "Matt Bittner" To: "wwi@wwi-models.org" Subject: Re: The Price of the Eduard Junkers J.I Message-ID: On Thu, 16 Jan 2003 12:12:25 -0500 (EST), xtv16@dial.pipex.com wrote: > Anyway, it's big, ugly and German - should go a bomb! Now to find schemes for it. I have the Datafile, but no doubt Eduard took their schemes straight from there. Any other sources for the Flying Furniture Van? :-) Matt ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 17:48:52 +0000 From: "Michael Kendix" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: The Price of the Eduard Junkers J.I Message-ID: >From: "Matt Bittner" > >On Thu, 16 Jan 2003 12:12:25 -0500 (EST), xtv16@dial.pipex.com >wrote: > > > Anyway, it's big, ugly and German - should go a bomb! > >Now to find schemes for it. I have the Datafile, but no doubt >Eduard took their schemes straight from there. Any other sources >for the Flying Furniture Van? :-) Weren't some used during the RCW in the early Soviet air force? Yes, yes, I seem to recall a scheme with no fewer than 24 red stars on every surface, including the cockpit interior flown by no less than Ivor Noktabolokoff Downadich in 1920. Michael Michael _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 13:02:16 -0500 From: "ot811ms" To: Subject: Re: The Price of the Eduard Junkers J.I Message-ID: <039b01c2bd89$67e0a520$9809030a@INSPIRON2> > including the cockpit interior flown by no less than Ivor Noktabolokoff > Downadich in 1920. > > Michael > Michael ---- both of y'all are so funny! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 10:20:33 -0800 From: "David C. Fletcher" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: The Price of the Eduard Junkers J.I Message-ID: <3E26F7F1.6030007@mars.ark.com> Brent Theobald wrote: > I wonder if the work required to add the corrugated surfaces is a factor in > the cost. It may have taken more labor to master. I know the corrugations > were an issue with other people's molds too. They tended to tear up the > molds. Airfix claimed that their three-engined, passenger-carrying development of the J.1 was the most expensive kit they produced in terms of tooling - notice how I avoided an "ot" reference. I don't know if the improvement in technology since that venerable kit has made corrugations any easier or cheaper to duplicate. Dave Fletcher ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 18:50:00 +0000 From: dave.fleming@dial.pipex.com To: Subject: Re: The Price of the Eduard Junkers J.I Message-ID: <1042743000.3e26fed85ce5d@netmail.pipex.net> Quoting Matt Bittner : > On Thu, 16 Jan 2003 12:12:25 -0500 (EST), xtv16@dial.pipex.com > wrote: > > > Anyway, it's big, ugly and German - should go a bomb! > > Now to find schemes for it. I have the Datafile, but no doubt > Eduard took their schemes straight from there. Any other sources > for the Flying Furniture Van? :-) > > Wonder if any of the ones that ended up in Allied hands carried French/British/US marking? Weren't some captured during a German retreat? Dave ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 19:34:59 +0000 From: pfalzdvii@att.net To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: kamikaze morane-saulnier Message-ID: <20030116193500.IELM9286.mtiwmhc11.worldnet.att.net@mtiwebc37> IIRC, that never happened, and Garros? (who was supposed to have done it) was also supposed to have come out the other side unhurt. Total press fabrication. FWIW -- Merrill Anderson > History question for this erudite list: > > Does anyone have info on a Morane-Saulnier pilot who did a kamikaze dive > into a Zeppelin over Paris after he'd missed with all his bombs? Both > machines and all crew members were destroyed in the subsequent explosion. > > A name, place and date would be a good start. > > Read the account in a Japanese book trying to argue the universality of > self-immolation tactics. > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 14:40:39 EST From: VMA324Vagabonds@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: re: Merlin DH.10 Message-ID: <25.32cdc6be.2b5864b7@aol.com> --part1_25.32cdc6be.2b5864b7_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/15/2003 8:01:49 PM Eastern Standard Time, haeusler@tm.net.my writes: > And speaking of DH 10's, I also saw a number of Eastern Star DH 10 vacs over > there at the Modellbaustudio. Now that kit was one of the best ever coming > from the Joe Chubbock/Les Cooper stable, including a substantial number of > Aeroclub white metal parts and a beautiful decal sheet. > Thanks for this information Volker, if I order now from Detlef, I just might get one by next Christmas. What do you think? Best regards, Jon --part1_25.32cdc6be.2b5864b7_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/15/2003 8:01:49 PM Eastern Standard Time, haeusler@tm.net.my writes:

And speaking of DH 10's, I also saw a number of Eastern Star DH 10 vacs over
there at the Modellbaustudio. Now that kit was one of the best ever coming
from the Joe Chubbock/Les Cooper stable, including a substantial number of
Aeroclub white metal parts and a beautiful decal sheet.

Thanks for this information Volker, if I order now from Detlef, I just might get one by next Christmas. What do you think?

                                           Best regards,
                                                    Jon
--part1_25.32cdc6be.2b5864b7_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 14:51:38 -0400 From: Daniel Hayward To: WW1 Subject: "The Jasta Pilots" Message-ID: I was just poking around at www.scholarsbookshelf.com and I see they have "The Jasta Pilots" by Norman Franks for $18.95, $31.00 off its regular price. Is this a book worth getting? Can anyone tell me anything about it? Dan ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 19:54:50 +0000 From: pfalzdvii@att.net To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: "The Jasta Pilots" Message-ID: <20030116195451.BJLL14582.mtiwmhc13.worldnet.att.net@mtiwebc37> I have seen it, and it looked like a pretty good reference, one I would like to have, Franks is generally regarded as 'good'. FWIW -- Merrill Anderson > I was just poking around at www.scholarsbookshelf.com and I see they have > "The Jasta Pilots" by Norman Franks for $18.95, $31.00 off its regular > price. Is this a book worth getting? Can anyone tell me anything about it? > > Dan ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 14:57:32 -0500 From: Mike Fletcher To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: The Price of the Eduard Junkers J.I Message-ID: <3E270EAC.3376715F@rogers.com> There is one in Ottawa that is nearly complete (albeit battered to the point of being unrestorable without substantial assistance from a metal stamping company. I don't recall ever having seen any wearing roundels but they were given a complete technical analysis (down to the specific amounts of various metals in the alloys used for the skin and structure) so if there were flyable examples there were probably ones with roundels - good luck on getting your roundels round though. Mike Fl. dave.fleming@dial.pipex.com wrote: > > Quoting Matt Bittner : > > > On Thu, 16 Jan 2003 12:12:25 -0500 (EST), xtv16@dial.pipex.com > > wrote: > > > > > Anyway, it's big, ugly and German - should go a bomb! > > > > Now to find schemes for it. I have the Datafile, but no doubt > > Eduard took their schemes straight from there. Any other sources > > for the Flying Furniture Van? :-) > > > > > Wonder if any of the ones that ended up in Allied hands carried > French/British/US marking? > > Weren't some captured during a German retreat? > > Dave ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 12:08:30 -0800 From: "Bob Pearson" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: The Price of the Eduard Junkers J.I Message-ID: <104274773401@smtp-1.vancouver.ipapp.com> Is it on display or in storage now? I got a good look at it when we had the run of the place for the 1994 OTF/CAHS seminar. I have been awaiting a kit of it ever since, so I for one am rather excited to see it released and can't wait for it to arrive here. Seeing it and the AEG in person are highly recommended. Bob ---------- >From: Mike Fletcher > There is one in Ottawa that is nearly complete (albeit battered to the > point of being unrestorable without substantial assistance from a metal > stamping company. I don't recall ever having seen any wearing roundels > but they were given a complete technical analysis (down to the > specific amounts of various metals in the alloys used for the skin > and structure) so if there were flyable examples there were probably > ones with roundels - good luck on getting your roundels round though. > > Mike Fl. ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 4927 **********************