WWI Digest 4926 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) RE: Anyone fancy a challenge? by Ray 2) Waldron Drill Bit Deal - Roll Models by "Brent Theobald" 3) Re: Eindecker wings, was: Eduard Fokker E.III by Ray 4) RE: Anyone fancy a challenge? by "Ross & Wendy Moorhouse" 5) Re: Eindecker wings, was: Eduard Fokker E.III by Ray 6) Re: Eindecker wings, was: Eduard Fokker E.III by "Shane Weier" 7) Re: hit the toad by Ken Schmitt 8) Eindecker wings by "Robert Baumgartner" 9) Re: Roden Se5a and Albatros DV by dave.fleming@dial.pipex.com 10) Re: Roden Se5a and Albatros DV by dave.fleming@dial.pipex.com 11) kamikaze morane-saulnier by "M.G. Sheftall" 12) Re: Roden Se5a and Albatros DV by "Shane Weier" 13) Re: Roden Se5a and Albatros DV by xtv16@dial.pipex.com 14) Re: Roden Se5a and Albatros DV by "Shane Weier" 15) Re: Roden Se5a and Albatros DV by xtv16@dial.pipex.com 16) Re: Roden Se5a and Albatros DV by xtv16@dial.pipex.com 17) Re: I'm not an expert, I don't even play one on TV by Daniel Hayward 18) Re: Roden Se5a and Albatros DV by "Matt Bittner" 19) RE: Anyone fancy a challenge? by Crawford Neil 20) can't take my eyes off of you by Ken Schmitt 21) Re: Fw: Airfix crop circles by "Diego Fernetti" 22) Re: Roden Se5a and Albatros DV by "Shane Weier" 23) Re: Roden Se5a and Albatros DV by "Shane Weier" 24) Re: Roden Se5a and Albatros DV by Crawford Neil 25) Re: brushwork by "Diego Fernetti" 26) Re: brushwork by Crawford Neil 27) Re: Roden Se5a and Albatros DV by "Michael Kendix" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 20:36:06 -0800 From: Ray To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: RE: Anyone fancy a challenge? Message-ID: <200301152036.06046.Ray_Boorman@telus.net> Supposedly if you got an early issue of an individual Merlin Model then it may not be two crude. After a while the molds degraded or something like that and you are left to carve the model from a big lump of plastic. I'm exagerating a bit, but it will seem like you carved the model from scratch. Ray On Wednesday 15 January 2003 04:56, Ross & Wendy Moorhouse wrote: > Please explain why this would be a challenge? I ask as I have never seen > a Merlin kit and the photo of the E-Bay item isn't that good. > > Cheers > > Ross > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 04:28:19 +0000 From: "Brent Theobald" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Waldron Drill Bit Deal - Roll Models Message-ID: Howdy Gang! I talked with John Roll about the group discount. Much to my surprise he found that he could offer a bulk deal on Waldron drill bits only. Here's the deal: If we make one order $100 or greater we will receive 15% off. Please contact me at: brent@rollmodels.com if you are interested. Thank you, Brent _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 20:53:30 -0800 From: Ray To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Eindecker wings, was: Eduard Fokker E.III Message-ID: <200301152053.30438.Ray_Boorman@telus.net> Volker, this was a question I had when I built my EIV. I never could get a good answer. The info I came up with was as follows The Mini data file has 10 meters for the span and 1.80 Meters for the chord of the EIV. # ribs per wing =13? The two datafiles that cover the EI,II and EIII have Span 10.04 - Chord 1.8 for the EIII # of ribs =12? The EI M5K span was 8.85 and the EII was 10.05 # of ribs =11?? There was a discussion on here long ago about the number of ribs and the spans. I was suprised to find that in the EI/EII datafile mention is made of how difficult it is to find out how many ribs and the spans in Idflieg and Fokker documents. In fact they say to check photos always. Source Windosck Datafile#15/91 Mini datafile #7 and the Crowood Fokker Book hth's Ray On Wednesday 15 January 2003 16:47, Volker wrote: > Having acquired the Profipack E III and E IV models by now, I stumbled > accross one mystery: > > While both kits look great (and Eduard really seems to improve with every > kit), at least my examples include exactly the same wing. Without having > checked any references, I was always under the impression that there was a > change in wingspan and wing rib spacing between the E III and the E IV. I > think that the "usual referenes" always mention that the wingspan was > increased for the E IV (to cater for the higher weight of the twin row U > III and the twin guns). > > Has this question already been discussed here, and is this only my failing > memory, or is this a problem with the otherwise excellent Eduard kit? > > Volker ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 15:53:27 +1100 From: "Ross & Wendy Moorhouse" To: Subject: RE: Anyone fancy a challenge? Message-ID: <005201c2bd1b$358f0fd0$f5482dcb@future> I was shown off list a photo of the kit on the sprues and it didn't look that much different than some of the early Eduard kits. Cheers Ross -----Original Message----- From: wwi@wwi-models.org [mailto:wwi@wwi-models.org] On Behalf Of Ray Sent: Thursday, 16 January 2003 3:33 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [WWI] RE: Anyone fancy a challenge? Supposedly if you got an early issue of an individual Merlin Model then it may not be two crude. After a while the molds degraded or something like that and you are left to carve the model from a big lump of plastic. I'm exagerating a bit, but it will seem like you carved the model from scratch. Ray On Wednesday 15 January 2003 04:56, Ross & Wendy Moorhouse wrote: > Please explain why this would be a challenge? I ask as I have never seen > a Merlin kit and the photo of the E-Bay item isn't that good. > > Cheers > > Ross > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 21:16:03 -0800 From: Ray To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Eindecker wings, was: Eduard Fokker E.III Message-ID: <200301152116.03610.Ray_Boorman@telus.net> Volker, a bit more information for you. From my notes the wingspan for the EIV is stated as being the same as an EIII but had an extra rib and riblet for strength. The fuselage was longer because of the heavier engine. 7.5 Meters as opposed to 7.3 The undercarriage was strengthened and longer because of the larger prop and heavier engine. Supposedly the upper wing support pylon was beefed up too, but it looks the same to me. Ray ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 15:28:23 +1000 From: "Shane Weier" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Eindecker wings, was: Eduard Fokker E.III Message-ID: Ray >There was a discussion on here long ago about the number of ribs and the >spans. I was suprised to find that in the EI/EII datafile mention is made >of >how difficult it is to find out how many ribs and the spans in Idflieg FWIW the discussion you mention was (mostly) Charles Hart and myself trying to discover whether the Eduard 1/48 E.III was correct or not (not, 1 rib out as it happens but length okay) I concur about just how hard it was to pin down what variations there were, and sort of wish we hadn't been so AMS afflicted so that my E.III would have been built :-) Shane. ******************************** My Strine is a Toad in Disguise ******************************** _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 23:36:25 -0600 From: Ken Schmitt To: Subject: Re: hit the toad Message-ID: Pedro suggests some enchanted evening: > That would be the perfect start for Sangria. Excellent for summer > evenings.....although I'd rather not spoil a good red with any kind of > carbonated stuff. Right. So. Go for the Toads. Take a few good'uns, toss them in, they mill around. Effervescent (which is a close relative of elogents and a distant cousin to strine). Bubbles without the childish taste packing the extra punch of a natural hallucinogen. Party favors. Festive touch. Zoological novelty. Conversation starters. Of course, you eat the Toad, after. Worm, toad - whatever. 12 guests, 12 toads - after all, we are civilized. and so forth. The more adventuresome can sneak off and actually lick Toads, as many aficionados apparently do. I'd venture it's not so much the spoiling of the Red that is in question, but rather, the choice of wine and guests *worthy of the Toad*. A good toad is a tricky find. Good guests, you can find almost anywhere. If guests prefer just licking toads rather than eating them, you could hold toad races afterwards for that "Casino Theme Night au Soares" Don't forget: ABBA + Toads = A Night To Remember (something in the air that night). Salud! Ken ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 15:44:51 +0800 From: "Robert Baumgartner" To: Subject: Eindecker wings Message-ID: <003501c2bd33$4db53c20$7300080a@RobBaum> Volker wrote: ".....I was always under the impression that there was a change in wingspan and wing rib spacing between the E III and the E IV. ...." I also thought there was an increase in span. In the July 1983 issue of Scale Models, Alex Imrie wrote an article on the Fokker E.III/IV. Quote: "New wings of 9.52 meters span were fitted and this produced the E.III..." and later for the E.IV "A new wing of 10 meters span was fitted and the forward fuselage strengthened..." As an indiation of the dangers of accepting even contemporary measurements, on Ian Stair's plans in the article we find written..."Span of the E.III is usually quoted as 9.52 and the E.IV as 10m. Captured aircraft reports give British 32' 11'' (10.33m) and the French as 10m. This last figure has been used for this drawing". His drawing for the E.III scales to the 9.52m measurement. Opposed to this is Peter Grosz who writes in the E.IV minidatafile that "...the Fokker E.IV had the same wingspan as the less powerful E.III...", and says that the span of both was 10m. I tried comparing the ribs with rigging entry points and wingtips on clear pics but failed to come to a satisfactory conclusion. Alas, another 1/48th scale Eduard kit remains unbuilt. Rob B ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 09:10:32 +0000 From: dave.fleming@dial.pipex.com To: Subject: Re: Roden Se5a and Albatros DV Message-ID: <1042708232.3e267708d4da0@netmail.pipex.net> Looks like they have missed off the aileron control covers for the DV - we shall see. As for the SE5 struts - just like a vac form!! Dave ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 09:29:43 +0000 From: dave.fleming@dial.pipex.com To: Subject: Re: Roden Se5a and Albatros DV Message-ID: <1042709383.3e267b87dd2c5@netmail.pipex.net> Quoting Michael Kendix : > > > >From: "Shane Weier" > Shane: > > >However, if the Roden is *close* and I believe it will be, > > Well, that's a big "if" in my view. Their kits are fine but the price > difference between them and Eduard is fair, in my view. > In the Uk, the price difference will be about £1 I reckon, but as I mentioned before, the big factor for me will be availability - neither of the two reasonable model shops in Scotland has Eduard reliably - I eventually had to order the EIII from Hannants, both for myself and for Marcio's SS gift. And it may be more accurate than the Eduard kit........ > >And - one day I may want to do a Boistrancourt lineup,... > > which'll happen when we win back the Ashes. > Now there is a challenge!! Maybe Shane should start laying them down for summer 2004!! Dave Fleming ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 18:56:55 +0900 From: "M.G. Sheftall" To: Subject: kamikaze morane-saulnier Message-ID: <002801c2bd45$9de9bf10$224f07d3@yourmjz5hbs8mp> History question for this erudite list: Does anyone have info on a Morane-Saulnier pilot who did a kamikaze dive into a Zeppelin over Paris after he'd missed with all his bombs? Both machines and all crew members were destroyed in the subsequent explosion. A name, place and date would be a good start. Read the account in a Japanese book trying to argue the universality of self-immolation tactics. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 20:29:47 +1000 From: "Shane Weier" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Roden Se5a and Albatros DV Message-ID: 'ming says: >Looks like they have missed off the aileron control covers for the DV -> we >shall see. ....and I think that's the seond comment of this nature. However, the kit is a D.V / D.Va and the wing is in fact moulded as a D.Va wing - accurately, unlike Eduards (and I might add I'm still amazed at how they manage it) So in this regard your other comment about it possibly being more accurate is correct. OTOH if you want a D.V you need to fill in the slots for the control horns and add acontrol fairing. Swings and roundabouts, and I know which is easier to do because I had to correct the Eduard one. >As for the SE5 struts - just like a vac form!! LOL - or almost any WW1 aircraft that doesn't have "N" or "V" struts Shane ******************************** My Strine is a Toad in Disguise ******************************** _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8 is here: Try it free* for 2 months http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/dialup ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 10:47:25 +0000 From: xtv16@dial.pipex.com To: Subject: Re: Roden Se5a and Albatros DV Message-ID: <1042714044.3e268dbd03041@netmail.pipex.net> Quoting Shane Weier : > 'ming says: > > >Looks like they have missed off the aileron control covers for the DV > -> we > >shall see. > > > ...and I think that's the seond comment of this nature. However, the kit > is > a D.V / D.Va and the wing is in fact moulded as a D.Va wing - Actually, I think it's the DIII kit wing, but same difference > accurately, > unlike Eduards (and I might add I'm still amazed at how they manage it) > > So in this regard your other comment about it possibly being more > accurate > is correct. > Depands on the cockpit as well - IMO Eduard's is too 'deep' in side profile. > OTOH if you want a D.V you need to fill in the slots for the control > horns > and add acontrol fairing. Swings and roundabouts, and I know which is > easier > to do because I had to correct the Eduard one. > Yeah, the Eduard was a strange hybrid - no slots, but no fairings either (well, there was brass ones in the DV profipack) - IIRC critisism of this in WS was one of the reasons they threatened to take the huff and pull out of WW1 models completely. Dave Fleming ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 21:09:58 +1000 From: "Shane Weier" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Roden Se5a and Albatros DV Message-ID: Dave (the 'ming) >Actually, I think it's the DIII kit wing, but same difference Yeah, yeah, okay you got me. Ruddy pedant, you oughta be English ;-) >Depands on the cockpit as well - IMO Eduard's is too 'deep' in side > >profile. You mean that the cutout goes too low down the side? I don't think I noticed, but then I've quite given up trying to understand the shape of that damned hole. Every pic you look at it seems different. In one (with MvR in the cockpit I think) it looks really deep, in others not so. It'll be to do with the angle the camers is looking at it, but that isn't helping my aging brain get the "feel" of it somehow. >Yeah, the Eduard was a strange hybrid - no slots, but no fairings >either >(well,there was brass ones in the DV profipack) - IIRC >critisism of this in WS was one of the reasons they threatened to take the >huff and pull out of WW1 models completely. Really? What a minor (and justifiable) comment to set off such a fit of pique. And would anyone really think RLR's comments severely impacted their sales? I doubt it. Just plain silly, though I suppose it was partly due to nerves - the Albatros *was* their first departure from the real true scale :-) Shane ******************************** My Strine is a Toad in Disguise ******************************** _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 11:26:46 +0000 From: xtv16@dial.pipex.com To: Subject: Re: Roden Se5a and Albatros DV Message-ID: <1042716406.3e2696f68b5fb@netmail.pipex.net> Quoting Shane Weier : > > >Depands on the cockpit as well - IMO Eduard's is too 'deep' in side > > >profile. > > You mean that the cutout goes too low down the side? That's what it seems to me, but then again, it could be the photos as you say. > > Really? It was hinted at in their newsletter at the time of the Fokker tripe release, and passed through the grapevine. >What a minor (and justifiable) comment to set off such a fit of > pique. And would anyone really think RLR's comments severely impacted > their > sales? I doubt it. Just plain silly, though I suppose it was partly due > to > nerves - the Albatros *was* their first departure from the real true > scale > (Being pedantic again) what, after the Sopwith duo and the Fokker DVIII :-) IIRC it was one of the reasons they gave modified the mould between the run of Fokker F1 and DR1 kits, rather than using the same one for both. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 11:29:36 +0000 From: xtv16@dial.pipex.com To: Subject: Re: Roden Se5a and Albatros DV Message-ID: <1042716576.3e2697a0184b1@netmail.pipex.net> take > the > >huff and pull out of WW1 models completely. > > Really? What a minor (and justifiable) comment to set off such a fit of > pique. And would anyone really think RLR's comments severely impacted > their > sales? I meant to say 1/72 WW1 models - IIRC the comments were along the lines of they make so little from these that it wasn't worth the hassle. Of course, it could just be hearsay Dave 'Ming ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 07:37:17 -0400 From: Daniel Hayward To: Subject: Re: I'm not an expert, I don't even play one on TV Message-ID: Fern, The really sad thing is that I know who Bob Ross is/was and have sat and watched more than one of his shows. He's mesmerizing! How's that Strutter coming along, have you decided on a scheme yet? I see you were asking about PC-10, good luck with that. I like to mix an olive drab that is close to brown and not too light. I've bought a couple of bottled PC-10s and they just don't look right to me. Dan > From: "Fernando" > Reply-To: wwi@wwi-models.org > Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 22:31:32 -0500 (EST) > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: [WWI] I'm not an expert, I don't even play one on TV > > Dan >>> I'm not an expert, I don't even play one on TV<< > Well you could very well play one on TV ..you would be the Bob Ross of ww1 > modeling ...LOL! > > "one mottle here ......and a friend next to it .....Alright !"" > Plus you'd look good with an afro ! > > just kidding ..great job buddy ..... :o) > > Fern > the spano....nevermind! > > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 06:35:29 -0600 From: "Matt Bittner" To: "wwi@wwi-models.org" Subject: Re: Roden Se5a and Albatros DV Message-ID: On Thu, 16 Jan 2003 05:30:54 -0500 (EST), Shane Weier wrote: > ...and I think that's the seond comment of this nature. However, the kit is > a D.V / D.Va and the wing is in fact moulded as a D.Va wing - accurately, > unlike Eduards (and I might add I'm still amazed at how they manage it) > OTOH if you want a D.V you need to fill in the slots for the control horns > and add acontrol fairing. Swings and roundabouts, and I know which is easier > to do because I had to correct the Eduard one. Okay, I can't remember. What's wrong with the Eduard wing (sounds like IRT the D.Va) and how does one correct it? TIA! Matt ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 13:42:54 +0100 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: RE: Anyone fancy a challenge? Message-ID: This is a very accurate description of their GeeBeeR1 that I once built! /Neil C. (+5 and nice weather for a change, snows all gone unfortunately) After a while the molds degraded or > something like that and > you are left to carve the model from a big lump of plastic. > I'm exagerating a > bit, but it will seem like you carved the model from scratch. > > Ray > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 07:11:52 -0600 From: Ken Schmitt To: Subject: can't take my eyes off of you Message-ID: Pedro- if it ain't poetry, it oughta be. A pretty model is like a melody but a cane toad lasts forever. "This is your brain. This is a Cane Toad. This is your brain on Cane Toads." 'scuse me while I kiss this toad. "I did not have relations with that toad." "Define 'cane'." there was something in the road that night, the stars were bright, Fernando. "What else floats?" " a toad " and therefore? that's the most bad-tempered amphibian you'll ever see -Tim ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 13:21:40 +0000 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Fw: Airfix crop circles Message-ID: Fernando wrote: >I have a DR1 posted on ARC today .... all comments are invited as i want >DEFINITELY to improve my craft ! That's a wonderful model, even more considering the poor start you had to overcome with the mediocre Airfix kit. Well done! >Obviously i could have done a better job, but right from the start i was >thrown for a loop by those " crop circles" on the wings Nice image! Sure they are the product of an evil breed! >Have these always been there? or are they a result of beating the mold to >death over the years?? I guess that's the reason, these circles are the traces of the ejector pins of the mold that have been worn out badly. The message came thru perfectly, without MIME mixed in. Consider it a success! D. _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8 is here: Try it free* for 2 months http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/dialup ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 23:36:01 +1000 From: "Shane Weier" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Roden Se5a and Albatros DV Message-ID: 'ming, >>(Being pedantic again) what, after the Sopwith duo and the Fokker >>DVIII >>:-) Puhlease ! There was never any way those (or the skeletal ones *you* forgot) would ever sell in the "general" market. The Albatros and Dr.1 and now the E.III are aimed at the enthusiast modeller, not the enthusiast *WW1* modeller. Which, incidentally, makes the J.1 a strange diversion. Just who will be buying it. Have you seen the price? And this is an obscure aircraft, as opposed to all the others in their new range of 1/72 which transcend specialist knowledge. Mind you, while expensive the price is likely to be fair since it is also *big* for a 1/72 WW1 subject Incidentally, I suspect that's where the Hanriot went. Met with stolid indifference from the 99% percent of people who said "WTF is that and do I care?" they've dropped it for at least a while, maybe forever. A pity, but if it might send them bust, sadly, good riddance Shane ******************************** My Strine is a Toad in Disguise ******************************** _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 23:41:05 +1000 From: "Shane Weier" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Roden Se5a and Albatros DV Message-ID: Matt >Okay, I can't remember. What's wrong with the Eduard wing >(sounds like IRT the D.Va) and how does one correct it? TIA! Perilously little. There's no slot forward of the ailerons for the aileron crank. I removed the ailerons, cut a slot, put a crank onto each aileron and reinstated them - offset By comparison Roden (in the D.III for example) has the slot moulded in place, complete with a petite and accurate crank inside the slot. Shane ******************************** My Strine is a Toad in Disguise ******************************** _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 14:45:45 +0100 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: Re: Roden Se5a and Albatros DV Message-ID: > Which, incidentally, makes the J.1 a strange diversion. Just > who will be > buying it. Me probably >Have you seen the price? OTOH, perhaps not;-) It is a rather surprising choice I must agree, but it is German, and rather big and ugly, maybe they think they can fool some Luft'46 enthusiasts into buying it! /Neil C. PS. No rigging! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 13:49:13 +0000 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: brushwork Message-ID: Pedro! >That would be the perfect start for Sangria. Excellent for summer >evenings.....althugh I'd rather not spoil a good red with any kind of >carbonated stuff. Been there as well. Sangria is the ever popular beverage of the Argie summer, followed close by cold beer. I quit Sangria after realizing that I can't walk with my hands underwater. Long story, bad memories of the sangria returning to the entry hole. D. _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM: Try the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 15:03:54 +0100 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: Re: brushwork Message-ID: Underwater? sounds messy! /Neil C. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 14:07:51 +0000 From: "Michael Kendix" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Roden Se5a and Albatros DV Message-ID: >From: Crawford Neil > >Have you seen the price? > >OTOH, perhaps not;-) First, the price at Hannants is about $17 for those who live outside a country that charges SEVENTEEN AND A HALF PERCENT in sales tax (actually it's Value Added tax but it matters little for my purpose). Second, hobbyshop.cz has it for under $14. Third, just wait to see what NKR charges. Obviously it's more expensive than a Dr.1, E.III/IV, D.V etc - it's bigger. It is, however, a lot less expensive than the average Hasegawa kit of that size, whose contents by the way are usually a lot less detailed and whose mouldings are of a comparable quality. >PS. No rigging! This is its main downfall in my view. "Rigging maketh the model." :) Michael _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 4926 **********************