WWI Digest 4918 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Sopwith Camel by Eric GALLAUD 2) Re: Sopwith Camel by "D_Fernetti" 3) Re: Sopwith Camel by Eric GALLAUD 4) some of my models by HawkerFury@t-online.de (HawkerFury) 5) RE: Darkening Guitar Strings by "Shane Weier" 6) Re: some of my models by haywardd 7) RE: Darkening Guitar Strings by "Shane Weier" 8) Re: Sopwith Camel by grzegorz_mazurowski@poczta.onet.pl 9) Re: Question on Windsock Datafiles by xtv16@dial.pipex.com 10) The list .. by "Ross & Wendy Moorhouse" 11) Re: Question on Windsock Datafiles by "Dave.Fleming" 12) RE: The list .. by "Ross & Wendy Moorhouse" 13) RE: The list .. by Tom Plesha 14) RE: Darkening Guitar Strings by Sean Brian Kirby 15) Re: Eduard - My Eyes Are Misting Over by Sean Brian Kirby 16) Re: roden kits in Latvia by Sean Brian Kirby 17) Re: Web updates by "Pedro Soares" 18) Re: roden kits in Latvia (Post-War Soviet D.VIIs) by Sean Brian Kirby 19) Heavy metal list: by "Robert Horton" 20) RE: Eduard - My Eyes Are Misting Over by Sean Brian Kirby 21) Re: Eduard - My Eyes Are Misting Over by Sean Brian Kirby 22) Breakin' One Off, Then Another... by Sean Brian Kirby 23) RE: Darkening Guitar Strings by Sean Brian Kirby 24) a little of this and little of that by Dennis Ugulano 25) Re: Breakin' One Off, Then Another... by "Steven Perry" 26) Re: Eduard - My Eyes Are Misting Over by "Shane Weier" 27) Re: Breakin' One Off, Then Another... by "Shane Weier" 28) Re: Breakin' One Off, Then Another... by Dennis Ugulano 29) Re: Breakin' One Off, Then Another... by haywardd ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 21:53:14 +0100 From: Eric GALLAUD To: "wwi@wwi-models.org" Subject: Sopwith Camel Message-ID: <3E23273A.2000508@club-internet.fr> Hello everyone, I am looking for info about the ammunition box on the Sopwith Camel. I have the Datafile and some other documents but almost nothing about that. I am looking for dimensions and position (under the machine-gun I guess ;-) ). I want to stop my modeler block on my 1/28 Camel ..... Thank you Eric ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 18:07:00 -0300 From: "D_Fernetti" To: Subject: Re: Sopwith Camel Message-ID: Salut Eric! > I am looking for info about the ammunition box on the Sopwith Camel. I > have the Datafile and some other documents but almost nothing about > that. I am looking for dimensions and position (under the machine-gun I > guess ;-) ). Look on the central page of the datafile, there is a cutout drawing. On the right page you-ll see a nice sketch of their shape and position. I guess it is completely oscured by the dashboard once inside the fuselage (unless you have chosen to display it opened up). Check the GA drawings on the adjacent pages to figure out their position and size. HTH D. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 22:20:26 +0100 From: Eric GALLAUD To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Sopwith Camel Message-ID: <3E232D9A.1070507@club-internet.fr> Thank you, I think I will have to sleep a little bit and after, with a rule, I should success to draw something in 1/28 with Eric's machine-guns as references. (Eric Hight of course) Eric >>I am looking for info about the ammunition box on the Sopwith Camel. >> >> > >Look on the central page of the datafile, there is a cutout drawing. On the >right page you-ll see a nice sketch of their shape and position. I guess it >is completely oscured by the dashboard once inside the fuselage (unless you >have chosen to display it opened up). Check the GA drawings on the adjacent >pages to figure out their position and size. >HTH >D. > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 22:20:34 +0100 From: HawkerFury@t-online.de (HawkerFury) To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: some of my models Message-ID: <18YC0Y-1V4VJwC@fwd03.sul.t-online.com> Hi there, Allan was kind enough to post some of my models on the webpage. Check out Chris Davies' models. Let me know what you think. Thanks. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 07:31:52 +1000 From: "Shane Weier" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: RE: Darkening Guitar Strings Message-ID: D >Thanks! I will search for any local pretentious lead guitarists to get > >their surplus strings That should be easy. Just find *any* lead guitarist.... Shane ******************************** My Strine is a Toad in Disguise ******************************** _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 16:33:30 -0500 From: haywardd To: Subject: Re: some of my models Message-ID: > Hi there, > Allan was kind enough to post some of my models on the webpage. Check out > Chris > Davies' models. Let me know what you think. Thanks. Already did Chris, very nice stuff! I especially liked the RC models, I just took that up this past summer and I have my eye on Fun Aero's SE5a kit. Dan Hayward ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 07:36:55 +1000 From: "Shane Weier" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: RE: Darkening Guitar Strings Message-ID: Michael says (In reply to Diego) > >Thanks! I will search for any local pretentious lead guitarists >I would have thought they were a bit thick Hey, I agree Shane ;-) ******************************** My Strine is a Toad in Disguise ******************************** _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 23:32:35 +0100 From: grzegorz_mazurowski@poczta.onet.pl To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Sopwith Camel Message-ID: Krakow museum guys have original Camel ammo box. I think I can ask them for dimensions, photo or what you want. Cheers! G. ***************r-e-k-l-a-m-a************** Chcesz oszczędzić na kosztach obsługi bankowej ? mBIZNES - konto dla firm http://epieniadze.onet.pl/mbiznes ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 22:50:21 +0000 From: xtv16@dial.pipex.com To: Subject: Re: Question on Windsock Datafiles Message-ID: <1042498221.3e2342adba2ce@netmail.pipex.net> Quoting Shane Weier : > Frankly I suspect that where there are reprints or the originals are > still > available the reason they go for high prices is that the bidders haven't > > done their research> as far as I could see on the couple I've been able > to > compare there's nothing worth springing for a second copy > Other than the adverts for other DFs, Most of the reprints are straight reprints - although I'm sure the original print of the EIII one didn't have the cockpit drawing that is in the reprint (more later!!) The SPad XIII reprint was actually an amended version, with correct photo captions. Dave Fleming ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 09:52:06 +1100 From: "Ross & Wendy Moorhouse" To: Subject: The list .. Message-ID: <001e01c2bb56$689d5c40$f5482dcb@future> I know we are not supposed to test the list via messages but I did get a review of who is logged in and I am on that list. But my messages don't seem to be going through. Cheers Ross ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 22:52:34 +0000 From: "Dave.Fleming" To: Subject: Re: Question on Windsock Datafiles Message-ID: <1042498354.3e2343325b8a5@netmail.pipex.net> Quoting Ray : > Actually there are lots of things on loonebay that go for high prices, > if the > bidders did some research and set there high bids acordingly they > wouldnt get > reamed out so much. > OTOH I got DVII Anthologies 1 & 2 for less than the cost of one. Dave F ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 09:58:22 +1100 From: "Ross & Wendy Moorhouse" To: Subject: RE: The list .. Message-ID: <002001c2bb57$48dda7b0$f5482dcb@future> Well I got this one but not the one I sent nearly 2 hours ago about the rogues photo page. Cheers Ross -----Original Message----- From: wwi@wwi-models.org [mailto:wwi@wwi-models.org] On Behalf Of Ross & Wendy Moorhouse Sent: Tuesday, 14 January 2003 9:54 AM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [WWI] The list .. I know we are not supposed to test the list via messages but I did get a review of who is logged in and I am on that list. But my messages don't seem to be going through. Cheers Ross ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 15:05:26 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Plesha To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: RE: The list .. Message-ID: <20030113230526.58991.qmail@web40308.mail.yahoo.com> Hi Ross- The messages do not necessarily get thru right away. It depends, I'm told, on the routing at the time of sending? HTH- Later Tom --- Ross & Wendy Moorhouse wrote: > Well I got this one but not the one I sent nearly 2 > hours ago about the > rogues photo page. > > Cheers > > Ross > > -----Original Message----- > From: wwi@wwi-models.org [mailto:wwi@wwi-models.org] > On Behalf Of Ross & > Wendy Moorhouse > Sent: Tuesday, 14 January 2003 9:54 AM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: [WWI] The list .. > > I know we are not supposed to test the list via > messages but I did get a > review of who is logged in and I am on that list. > But my messages don't > seem to be going through. > > Cheers > > Ross > > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 16:11:41 -0800 (PST) From: Sean Brian Kirby To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: RE: Darkening Guitar Strings Message-ID: <20030114001141.47172.qmail@web14801.mail.yahoo.com> --- Shane Weier wrote: > Michael says (In reply to Diego) > > > >Thanks! I will search for any local pretentious > lead guitarists > > >I would have thought they were a bit thick > > Hey, I agree Hey! >:^( ;) Sean ===== www.pitpass.com __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 16:15:13 -0800 (PST) From: Sean Brian Kirby To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Eduard - My Eyes Are Misting Over Message-ID: <20030114001513.22371.qmail@web14804.mail.yahoo.com> --- Diego Fernetti wrote: I started > preparing the double wires OUTSIDE the model with > the spacer as described in > your Spad XII article, but I still have to try it on > the model itself. Wish > me luck! Hals und Beinbruch! :) Sean ===== www.pitpass.com __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 16:19:44 -0800 (PST) From: Sean Brian Kirby To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: roden kits in Latvia Message-ID: <20030114001944.6762.qmail@web14806.mail.yahoo.com> --- "ARSENY K (RIGA, LATVIA)" wrote: > 13.01.03 "[WWI] RE: introducing myself" Friend of mine > (Luftwaffe jet > airplanes enthusiast) sent me the kit of Dagelow's > Fokker and another I > bought here in Riga... > Arseny Kardash > Riga, LATVIA > icq #160254499 Hey, I'm (mostly) Latvian; that side of the family's from Riga. :) Nice to meet you! Here In Baltimore, Maryland, Sean ===== www.pitpass.com __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 00:27:25 -0000 From: "Pedro Soares" To: Subject: Re: Web updates Message-ID: <002f01c2bb63$ba5cde40$affb16d5@netcabo.pt> > Bonanza! Indeed!! > > Added three new photos to John Reid's Diorama page. Wow! John's diorama is great and his woodworking is fantastic. Loads of good work there. > New Modeler, Chris Davies added to the gallery Chris, Great models you have there. I'm very glad you never threw the DVIII to the garbage can. > New Modeler, Dan Hayward added to the gallery. Dan, That one is a dog to get the struts right isn't it? Great model too! > Ken Foran send in two new photos of his Fokker D-VIII engine. Ken, you shouldn't be allowed to post that kind of thing. Makes me want to trash all my models. Absolutely fantastic, super, exquisite, excellent!!!!!! > > Enjoy, Oh, I did, I did.... Pedro > Al > > ============================================================================ === > Allan Wright Jr. | Without love life's just a long fight - Southside > University of New Hampshire +-------------------------------------------------- > Research Computing Center | WWI Modeling mailing list: wwi@wwi-models.org > Internet: aew@unh.edu | WWI Modeling WWW Page: http://www.wwi-models.org > ============================================================================ === ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 16:23:43 -0800 (PST) From: Sean Brian Kirby To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: roden kits in Latvia (Post-War Soviet D.VIIs) Message-ID: <20030114002343.20193.qmail@web14811.mail.yahoo.com> --- Matt Bittner wrote: Granted, nothing WW1, but early > Soviet post-WW1 > biplanes. Matt - remember that cool site you linked, the other day? Um... what green would you suggest for those Bolshevik Fokkers? Oh... and I'm emailing ya'. 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Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 18:39:22 -0600 From: "Robert Horton" To: Subject: Heavy metal list: Message-ID: <001d01c2bb65$624d7690$c4c11640@rlh> Howdy list type folks and especially welcome to the new kids on the block!!!..This is more especialy slanted to Dame Karen...do you still have, or are keeping track of the armor, artillery, figures list of available kits of the various manufacturers in the various scales?....I have a group of about three or four additions to send if you are still updating the list....and a sort of heads up that such is available to the other newer list folks....if you want them I will forward them as soon as I get the data straight.....best to all....Bob Horton ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 16:40:13 -0800 (PST) From: Sean Brian Kirby To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: RE: Eduard - My Eyes Are Misting Over Message-ID: <20030114004013.35677.qmail@web14807.mail.yahoo.com> --- Mark Shannon wrote: > There is nothing wrong with the Italerei Me-41* and > 21* kits. They are very > reasonably priced, and a little aftermarket for pe > or canopy and you've got > a very nice ot model. I believe, however, that the > Italerei and Eduard > versions are different subtypes, even if the > differences are less than > major. I understand the Italeri Zwei-Zehn is nice - but I didn't know they did the later 'Destroyer.' Yeah, Eduard did an interior for the failed earlier variant. Um... heard the Bilek one was decent, too. (Seem to remember it looked okay in the box...) The Eduard tooling should be very nice to see. Cheers, Sean ===== www.pitpass.com __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 16:48:01 -0800 (PST) From: Sean Brian Kirby To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Eduard - My Eyes Are Misting Over Message-ID: <20030114004801.21258.qmail@web14808.mail.yahoo.com> --- Shane Weier wrote: > I don't know if that's true. We have multiple > variants of 1/48 Albatrosses > for example. My bet is an "early" and a "late" kit > at least. They'd just have to offer two different wing sprues (one early, rounded, one late), right? Sean ===== www.pitpass.com __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 16:54:39 -0800 (PST) From: Sean Brian Kirby To: WWI List Subject: Breakin' One Off, Then Another... Message-ID: <20030114005439.41031.qmail@web14807.mail.yahoo.com> Um... the other night, I schnapped my second #80 bit in the space of a couple weeks. Had switched to a #78 after the first breakage, then bought another eighty, and... schnap! (Broke the first one drilling the lower elevator holes in a D.V's fuselage. Broke the next in the lower inner fuselage of one of my Nie.11s...) Should I just say heck with it, and stick with a 78 or 79? Do they make #80s of sturdier stuff? Or am I simply being a clutz, and experience will cure my breakages? I understood why I broke the first one, but thought I was being more careful, the second time. Am I an idiot, or should I plan to buy more and more eighties? Thanks, Sean ===== www.pitpass.com __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 16:57:10 -0800 (PST) From: Sean Brian Kirby To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: RE: Darkening Guitar Strings Message-ID: <20030114005710.24382.qmail@web14808.mail.yahoo.com> --- NEIL EDDY wrote: > For 1/72 too thick yes, but I am using it on my 1/48 > Pfalz D-IIIa. I use > fine smoke coloured monofilament in 1/72. What is that wire stuff they put in the DML D.VII's box? Sean ===== www.pitpass.com __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 20:04:51 -0500 From: Dennis Ugulano To: "INTERNET:wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: a little of this and little of that Message-ID: <200301132005_MC3-1-245C-D6F3@compuserve.com> Everyone, First, Arsney, welcome from the west coast of California. Second: John, excellent diorama Chris: Very nice collection of models Dan : I love that color scheme. How did you do it? and Ken Foran: No words possible except unbelievable. Third and last: I've added three Fokkers to my page. Two D.VII's and one Dr.1. These were completed a while back. They are under German/Fokker. One thing that amazed me. The Albatros built D.VII was completed in Oct 1999. Have I been here that long already? It seems like just yesterday I was a normal, happy modeller just building and sticking plastic together with reckless abandon. Then I joined here and was infected by AMS and terminal I might add. So all of you newcomers. Beware! This is the neatest place to be for WW1 models but I have to tell you, you will never leave the same. My doctor told me that when the twitch goes away I may be able to rejoin the real world. OOOOHHH Look at the pretty colors. Dennis Ugulano email: Uggies@compuserve.com http://ronnieuggie.com/uggie/dju.htm Page Revised 01/10/2003 "Each modeler will rise to their own level of masochism." ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 20:06:53 -0500 From: "Steven Perry" To: Subject: Re: Breakin' One Off, Then Another... Message-ID: <017101c2bb69$3a17e580$64a8a8c0@tampabay.rr.com> should I plan to buy more and more > eighties? Only if you plan to build more and more WWI airplane models ;-) sp ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 11:05:59 +1000 From: "Shane Weier" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Eduard - My Eyes Are Misting Over Message-ID: Sean >They'd just have to offer two different wing sprues >(one early, rounded, one late), right? Should be. There are other detail variations but theyre things like whether the two drag wires on the decking above the guns are faired or not, whether the piping between top wing and fuselage are faired or not, whether the cheek panels are solid with vents, meshed or absent and so forth. I *think* from maybe faulty memory that all these minorvariations can occur on either early or late machines anyway. There's a third wing variation - rounded with pocket extensions. If I was working at Eduard I'd produce a late (square tips) wingset and an early (rounded) wingset but the rounded wingset would also include the extension parts to model the third option FWIW Shane ******************************** My Strine is a Toad in Disguise ******************************** >From: Sean Brian Kirby >Reply-To: wwi@wwi-models.org >To: Multiple recipients of list >Subject: [WWI] Re: Eduard - My Eyes Are Misting Over >Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 19:50:21 -0500 (EST) > >--- Shane Weier wrote: > > I don't know if that's true. We have multiple > > variants of 1/48 Albatrosses > > for example. My bet is an "early" and a "late" kit > > at least. > > >They'd just have to offer two different wing sprues >(one early, rounded, one late), right? > > >Sean > >===== >www.pitpass.com > >__________________________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. >http://mailplus.yahoo.com _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM: Try the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 11:09:55 +1000 From: "Shane Weier" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Breakin' One Off, Then Another... Message-ID: Sean >Um... the other night, I schnapped my second #80 bit >in the space of a couple weeks. Weeks? Goodness, you are a carefull chap. >Am I an idiot Sorry, I'm not qualified to give an expert opinion, but if an amateur one will do....... >should I plan to buy more and more eighties? Pretty much a requirement if you want #80 holes. I still keep them but my eyesight is so bad that even with the magnifier it's a stress getting monofilament through the holes and have standardised on #79. Almost finished a Berg with just one breakage (and that from dropping the pinvise) Shane ******************************** My Strine is a Toad in Disguise ******************************** _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM: Try the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 20:09:53 -0500 From: Dennis Ugulano To: "wwi@wwi-models.org" Subject: Re: Breakin' One Off, Then Another... Message-ID: <200301132010_MC3-1-2469-1CC5@compuserve.com> Sean, >> Should I just say heck with it, and stick with a 78 or 79? << My answer is yes. I use a # 79 and the results are good. I haven't broken a bit in a very long time. Also, with the 79 I can get up to wires through one hole if I work it just right. Uggie ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 20:11:53 -0500 From: haywardd To: Subject: Re: Breakin' One Off, Then Another... Message-ID: Oh tell me about it! I like to use #80 bits to drill my rigging hole too. A while back I bought 50 #80 Microminiature carbide bits from a guy on ebay (search for seller "toolsandtunes) for $10. These bits are really sharp and bite right into plastic and will go through a wing or fuselage with only a few twirls of the fingers. Unfortunately, being carbide, they are extremely brittle. There's nothing like drilling that hard-to-reach hole and hearing that little "tink" that let's you know you just broke the bit off and that it is now blocking your perfectly placed rigging hole. Sometimes I can get through a whole model with one bit, sometimes I break 4 or 5. Dan -- > From: Sean Brian Kirby > Reply-To: wwi@wwi-models.org > Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 19:56:36 -0500 (EST) > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: [WWI] Breakin' One Off, Then Another... > > Um... the other night, I schnapped my second #80 bit > in the space of a couple weeks. Had switched to a #78 > after the first breakage, then bought another eighty, > and... schnap! (Broke the first one drilling the lower > elevator holes in a D.V's fuselage. Broke the next in > the lower inner fuselage of one of my Nie.11s...) > Should I just say heck with it, and stick with a 78 or > 79? Do they make #80s of sturdier stuff? Or am I > simply being a clutz, and experience will cure my > breakages? I understood why I broke the first one, but > thought I was being more careful, the second time. Am > I an idiot, or should I plan to buy more and more > eighties? > > Thanks, > > > Sean > > ===== > www.pitpass.com > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. > http://mailplus.yahoo.com > ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 4918 **********************