WWI Digest 4876 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Forced perspective by "Steven Perry" 2) Re: romancing the stone by Ken Schmitt 3) Re: Forced perspective by "Diego Fernetti" 4) Re: cyrano d'birdcage by Ken Schmitt 5) Re: BE2e question/ was: OT dog question by "Diego Fernetti" 6) Re: cyrano d'birdcage by "Diego Fernetti" 7) Happy New Year! by "Marcio Antonio Campos" 8) Marcio in the USA - January by "Marcio Antonio Campos" 9) Re: art & science by Ken Schmitt 10) Nieuport Questions by Dave Fleming 11) Re: art & science by xtv16@dial.pipex.com 12) Re: Lloyd CV Control linkage?? by "Skyking" 13) RE: Happy New Year! by "Clemente Balladares" 14) MPM W.29 (was Re: BE2e question/ was: OT dog question) by tbittners@sprintmail.com (Matt Bittner) 15) Re: MPM W.29 (was Re: BE2e question/ was: OT dog question) by xtv16@dial.pipex.com 16) Re: Happy New Year! by "Diego Fernetti" 17) Re: Happy New Year! by Dave Fleming 18) Re: MPM W.29 (was Re: BE2e question/ was: OT dog question) by Eric GALLAUD 19) The Sea Eagle is complete by Dennis Ugulano 20) Re: 1/28 Fokker D.VII by "Lance Krieg" 21) Re: site update by "Lance Krieg" 22) Re: site update by MARK MILLER 23) Re: site update by Dave Fleming 24) Re: Forced perspective by "Lance Krieg" 25) Temp condition by "Lee M." 26) Re: site update by "Lance Krieg" 27) Re: art & science by Nigel Cheffers-Heard 28) Re: Temp condition by "Diego Fernetti" 29) Re: MPM W.29 (was Re: BE2e question/ was: OT dog question) by John Huggins 30) ATTENTION: Masters Crawford, Weier, et al by Ken Schmitt 31) Jaeger Fokker DVII (OAW) 1/48th on ebay by Dave Fleming 32) Back at it by tbittners@sprintmail.com (Matt Bittner) 33) Re: Jaeger Fokker DVII (OAW) 1/48th on ebay by Sean Brian Kirby ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 06:46:41 -0500 From: "Steven Perry" To: Subject: Forced perspective Message-ID: <002501c2aff9$1f02f440$20244918@tampabay.rr.com> Have any of y'all out there done or read about using forced perspective in a diorama? By this I mean using objects of different scales to make the distance between them appear larger than it acually is. Can this be done effectively? I can imagine if not done right, it could look pretty hokey.Are there any rules of thumb or general tips? sp ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 06:25:36 -0600 From: Ken Schmitt To: Subject: Re: romancing the stone Message-ID: Shane, The Romantic, coos: > The people who need hand holding are accountants, lawyers and > business managers so I haven't got enough to be busy. ...and what a *fine date* they are, too. ; /~ If any of you ever figure out how to communicate with accountants, let me know. Have nothing against drugs, just don't fancy their brand. (kidding about drugs, at least these days, so relax) Business managers? If you hold their hand it's going right to accounting and termed "entertainment expense". Mike Muth is a lawyer. If they all build as nice as he does, they can be *swell* in my book. 'sides, don't want no law person down on me.... Ken S ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 12:22:17 +0000 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Forced perspective Message-ID: Steve! >Have any of y'all out there done or read about using forced perspective in >a >diorama? I recall seeing a picture in a FSM Reader Gallery of a large scale Bf*** that chopped the tail of a 1/72 B-** destroying itself in the process. The results of the shadowbox were incredible, at least in the picture. D. _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 3 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail&xAPID=42&PS=47575&PI=7324&DI=7474&SU= http://www.hotmail.msn.com/cgi-bin/getmsg&HL=1216hotmailtaglines_stopmorespam_3mf ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 06:29:24 -0600 From: Ken Schmitt To: Subject: Re: cyrano d'birdcage Message-ID: Shane ponders: > > "Someone said something profound on list about that one > time. I wonder who?" That'd be Diego, then. Ken ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 12:35:14 +0000 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: BE2e question/ was: OT dog question Message-ID: Hi Sean >I think Diego and I are in the same time-zone. Ah, so >you're in Australia... Ah, and now I find myself in the same conumdrum as Shane... monday morning at work... ahh swell time! >www.pitpass.com Nice website! I love the area with the wallpapers. That one of the aerobatic pilot looks fine. Who is that individual? D. _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 3 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail&xAPID=42&PS=47575&PI=7324&DI=7474&SU= http://www.hotmail.msn.com/cgi-bin/getmsg&HL=1216hotmailtaglines_addphotos_3mf ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 12:32:25 +0000 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: cyrano d'birdcage Message-ID: Ken! > > "Someone said something profound on list about that one > > time. I wonder who?" >That'd be Diego, then. If I were deeper, I'd be buried already.. D. _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 10:50:43 -0200 From: "Marcio Antonio Campos" To: Subject: Happy New Year! Message-ID: <003c01c2b002$1378c420$5a23e2c8@computador> Folks, I just re-subscribed to send a few messages and then I'll have to leave again for spending New Year's Eve far from home. I want to wish you all a wonderful 2003, with much happiness and, of course, lots of plastic, resin, enamels or acrylics, photo-etched parts and so on :-) Unfortunately I couldn't build a Gotha bomber, one of my 2001-2002 resolutions, but started learning rigging, which is really a big improvement! :-) And took part in lots of contests, met new people and looks like I could help WWI modeling to become a bit more popular here. And I want to send special thanks to some friends who helped making 2002 even better: Daniel, Larry, Brad and Mike Fletcher, who I had the chance of meeting while in Canada and with whom I could spend very nice moments. My brother also sends best wishes for you! All the best from Brazil Marcio ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 10:52:38 -0200 From: "Marcio Antonio Campos" To: Subject: Marcio in the USA - January Message-ID: <003d01c2b002$597ecaa0$5a23e2c8@computador> Folks, it's confirmed, in January I'll travel to the USA! Atlanta from Jan 15th to Jan 24th and Chicago from Jan 24th to Jan 27th. If someone wants to organize a small gathering, please contact me off-list at marcio.castro.campos@ig.com.br because I'll be unsubscribing today. All the best from Brazil Marcio ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 07:01:08 -0600 From: Ken Schmitt To: Subject: Re: art & science Message-ID: f-f-folks- > I take the first as a mammoth insult - ie "I don't like this style of > painting, > but it's become the dominant form" > > The second is intended in the same light - it's too realistic, it's not > 'artsy' > enough. the cynic in me thinks the interpretation is you don't need an art > degree to understand it. Having bought various kinds of art & photography for over 25 years I gotta say something. Is this about Mark's work? If so, his is the *best of the type*. In the past 4 years, I have never seen anything that rival Mark's wonderful efforts, not one. Many come close, but miss it somehow...don't they?? Now whatever Mark is doing, that's a 'trick'. That's 'art'. And also a helluva lot of hard work. I have never seen better. That said, I always enjoy Brian Knight's df covers or our own Mr. Karr or Mr. Pearson's beautiful work. Another look at the same subject, from another way of looking at it... Art & photography, like our models, is an illusion. If you want the real thing, go walk up to it. I'd venture that one of Herr Krieg's and others regrets, at various Musée d'Antiquity, is that we *all* can't view the real thing. And so they do the next best thing: post images up for the rest of us. Many, many thanks, btw. But if you look at each one, close-up, all that's there is a bunch of funny squares...same with Mark, Robert, Bob & all. Yes, I know those squares are pixels. Pixels, brush-strokes, glue-spots, overspray, sanding marks...don't look too close, or the illusion disappears and a harsh reality steps in: If you *really* want reality, go walk up to it. "But I can't!" Well, then, thuryago. This is all cave painting, folks, at a higher level. Most of us know what "good" is when we see it. We know when one of ours or a list mate's models catches the illusion just right. Ultimately, that's all that needs knowing: did it rock and is everyone ooing and ahhing. There are many ways to get to the same subject. Some do it better than others. The challenge would seem to be the fun of it. Some cat named Ira something or other. my 2¢... Ken, setting aside toads, but only for the moment. np: Larry Coryell nb: Bristol MC1 nu: WW1 in macramé, a new interpretation ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 13:06:20 +0000 From: Dave Fleming To: Subject: Nieuport Questions Message-ID: <1041253580.3e1044cc5811d@netmail.pipex.net> You can blame Michal Beran for these, he re-awakened my latent Nie obsession! 1) Anyone any idea WHY the RFC removed the Vickers/Interrupter gear from their Nie 17s etc? Strange when the RNAS retained them on their 17bis'. 2)On those with the ply l/e (24, 27?) what was the visual effect of this - just no riblets on the l/e or was the ply fillet visible under the fabric? 3) What's current thought on colours of early cammo'd aircraft (two greens/green-brown?) ? IIRC, there was some info on these in the Dorme book Matt enthused over earlier in the year. That'll do for now! Regards Dave Fleming ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 13:09:49 +0000 From: xtv16@dial.pipex.com To: Subject: Re: art & science Message-ID: <1041253789.3e10459dd0ffa@netmail.pipex.net> Quoting Ken Schmitt : >> Having bought various kinds of art & photography for over 25 years I > gotta > say something. > > Is this about Mark's work? Most definitely not!! We were talking about comments made on a website of WW1 paintings that someone posted a few days ago - there were comments on the paintings posted alongside them, and the ones we were discussing seemed (to me) to be critical of the style the painter had used (IIRC it included negative comments about including the rigging, as this would not be seen in flight) Nothing but praise for Mark!! Dave Fleming ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 08:18:05 -0500 From: "Skyking" To: Subject: Re: Lloyd CV Control linkage?? Message-ID: <001e01c2b005$eab12c40$376efea9@rochester.rr.com> Candice I couldn't find any evidence of any control horns on any of the tail surfaces in any of the photos I've seen, and I got most of my references from Growz's Austro Hungarian book. I believe they are all internal, except for the ailerons. That's how I built mine too. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Monday, December 30, 2002 12:37 AM Subject: [WWI] Lloyd CV Control linkage?? Hi All, I am building the special hobby Lloyd and can't find any indication of control horns on the tail feathers or for that matter any external control cabling to the tail feathers at all. The only reference I have available is the kit documentation. Do any of you guys have any help you can send my way. Thanks, Candice ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 09:14:37 -0400 From: "Clemente Balladares" To: Subject: RE: Happy New Year! Message-ID: <2B1249EB720E7141B18BB3F151C8E9F024D680@correo.marn.gov.ve> Dear new friends Like Marcio, I want to express thanks for your help and chats during 2002. Specially Grzegroz!!. This year was really hard for my country... but personally, profesionally (I´m Marine Biologist) and with the hobbie was quite nice*. Hopping and wishing everything improve in this new year 2003. :) Cheers Clemente Balladares Castillo Caracas-Venezuela * the camo of the Br14 is ready, just waiting for the decals at my brother´s house in Florida -right now he is in Spain for vacations -----Mensaje original----- De: Marcio Antonio Campos [mailto:marcio.castro.campos@ig.com.br] Enviado el: Lunes, 30 de Diciembre de 2002 08:56 a.m. Para: Multiple recipients of list Asunto: [WWI] Happy New Year! Folks, I just re-subscribed to send a few messages and then I'll have to leave again for spending New Year's Eve far from home. I want to wish you all a wonderful 2003, with much happiness and, of course, lots of plastic, resin, enamels or acrylics, photo-etched parts and so on :-) Unfortunately I couldn't build a Gotha bomber, one of my 2001-2002 resolutions, but started learning rigging, which is really a big improvement! :-) And took part in lots of contests, met new people and looks like I could help WWI modeling to become a bit more popular here. And I want to send special thanks to some friends who helped making 2002 even better: Daniel, Larry, Brad and Mike Fletcher, who I had the chance of meeting while in Canada and with whom I could spend very nice moments. My brother also sends best wishes for you! All the best from Brazil Marcio ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 07:03:46 -0600 (CST) From: tbittners@sprintmail.com (Matt Bittner) To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: MPM W.29 (was Re: BE2e question/ was: OT dog question) Message-ID: <200212301303.gBUD3kt94829@king1.kingsnake.com> > The review is here http://www.wwi-models.org/misc/reviews/W29.html but I > think it is the "not upgraded" kit. > It is very interesting but with this review/build, I will spend more > time than I thought to improve the kit ;-) There was an article in Replic a couple of years ago that combined the Toko and MPM kits to make a "correct" production machine. I can't recall exactly what they meant, unfortunately... Matt ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 13:24:36 +0000 From: xtv16@dial.pipex.com To: Subject: Re: MPM W.29 (was Re: BE2e question/ was: OT dog question) Message-ID: <1041254676.3e104914daa84@netmail.pipex.net> Quoting Matt Bittner : > There was an article in Replic a couple of years ago that combined the > Toko and MPM kits to make a "correct" production machine. I can't > recall > exactly what they meant, unfortunately... > Anyone got any thoughts on the Pegasus kit? Dave Fleming ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 13:24:09 +0000 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Happy New Year! Message-ID: Hey Marcio! >I want to wish you all a wonderful 2003, with much happiness and, of >course, >lots of plastic, resin, enamels or acrylics, photo-etched parts and so on Well the same to you ole friend! Hope our currencies will be par with the USD and Euros soon! >:-) Unfortunately I couldn't build a Gotha bomber, one of my 2001-2002 >resolutions, but started learning rigging, which is really a big >improvement! :-) And took part in lots of contests, met new people and >looks >like I could help WWI modeling to become a bit more popular here. Hope the learning curve will keep going upwards! Regards D. _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 3 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail&xAPID=42&PS=47575&PI=7324&DI=7474&SU= http://www.hotmail.msn.com/cgi-bin/getmsg&HL=1216hotmailtaglines_advancedjmf_3mf ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 13:30:19 +0000 From: Dave Fleming To: Marcio Antonio Campos Cc: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Happy New Year! Message-ID: <1041255019.3e104a6b2a520@netmail.pipex.net> Have a good time, and enjoy your US trip! Dave Fleming Scotland ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 14:54:56 +0100 From: Eric GALLAUD To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: MPM W.29 (was Re: BE2e question/ was: OT dog question) Message-ID: <3E105030.8080800@club-internet.fr> I built it few years ago, if I remember well, it was an easy kit, there are some struts in white metal, which maintain together both floats and fuselage. I added some structure in the cockpit. The decals went well. A good Pegasus kit (I don't remember about accuracy, but OK for the "buildability") Eric xtv16@dial.pipex.com a écrit: >Anyone got any thoughts on the Pegasus kit? > >Dave Fleming > > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 10:08:27 -0500 From: Dennis Ugulano To: "INTERNET:wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: The Sea Eagle is complete Message-ID: <200212301008_MC3-1-21A1-7CDF@compuserve.com> Everyone, Just a note to say the 2002 model year is complete with the Eduard D.VIII "Sea Eagle". I will take photo of it and the Salamander and have them on my web site by New Years Day. A special thanks to Michael for the kit. Uggie ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 09:22:10 -0600 From: "Lance Krieg" To: Subject: Re: 1/28 Fokker D.VII Message-ID: Bucky is preparing to take on this dog - which IS fixable, as those of us who were in Chicago for the IPMS convention in 2001 were able to see. As mentioned, CSM has a number of goodies that will help, including very handsome new cheek panels and exhausts to change the manufacturer. (And mastered by our own Waldo Leonard, I believe.) As much as I love loony ole Eric, though, that lozenge is not right in most of it's particulars. It is created to fit the model, and not presented in the usual "bolts". This means that the wing seams are preordained, and so may not be correct for a chosen scheme. And the fuselage pattern runs up and down the sides, rather than along the length. As always, one could argue about the color... Again, Americal comes to the rescue; they have both 4 and 5 color in 1/28, including the reversed interior colors. If you go this route, better plan on using two sheets of the upper color if your chosen scheme includes a factory-finished fuselage. I hope this doesn't cost me the Dicta Ira discount with Copper State.... Lance ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 09:27:38 -0600 From: "Lance Krieg" To: Subject: Re: site update Message-ID: Mark very kindly added: "... Lance's photos from the Canadian air museum": One point, though, that should be changed; that Fokker D.VII is in a county museum in Knowlton, Quebec, and several hundred miles from the other machines in Ottawa. It is, by and large, completely original and unaltered by "restorations". This makes it, to my eyes, especially precious. Lance ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 07:34:42 -0800 (PST) From: MARK MILLER To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: site update Message-ID: <20021230153442.75031.qmail@web80008.mail.yahoo.com> Whoops I'll fix it tonight when I get home. sorry about that Mark --- Lance Krieg wrote: > Mark very kindly added: > > "... Lance's photos from the Canadian air museum": > > One point, though, that should be changed; that > Fokker D.VII is in a > county museum in Knowlton, Quebec, and several > hundred miles from the > other machines in Ottawa. > > It is, by and large, completely original and > unaltered by > "restorations". This makes it, to my eyes, > especially precious. > > Lance ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 15:35:14 +0000 From: Dave Fleming To: Subject: Re: site update Message-ID: <1041262514.3e1067b2b4106@netmail.pipex.net> Quoting Lance Krieg : > > It is, by and large, completely original and unaltered by > "restorations". This makes it, to my eyes, especially precious. > Out of curiosity, what colours are the rib tapes? Hard to tell on photos. Dave ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 09:40:40 -0600 From: "Lance Krieg" To: Subject: Re: Forced perspective Message-ID: Steve asks about: "...forced perspective in a diorama?" Both Shepard Paine and Ray Anderson have books out about dioramas, and deal with the issue of forced perspective. These are both available from Kalmbach Publishing. Properly handled, it can be very effective indeed, though there are a couple of key considerations: 1. The view angle must be completely controlled or the effect is lost. 2. Appropriate simplification of the details on more "distant" subjects is important to maintain the illusion. 3. Colors on the more distant subjects need to be suitably altered to reduce their intensity and emulate the effects of distance. I have always thought about a boxed diorama where the foreground is just a part of an OT plane in say, 1/12 scale, and the background aircraft are in 1/48 and 1/72. Little motors to spin the props... fiberoptic muzzle-flashes...a silk scarf fluttering in the slipstream... Lance ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 10:06:42 -0600 From: "Lee M." To: Cc: "Gaston Graf" Subject: Temp condition Message-ID: <017001c2b01d$72c13500$904d39cc@mesystem> I will soon unsubscribe. Just to darn busy and I can't keep up with all I have to do. Will try to get back later For now personal messages to lemen@x25.net For photos of the planes we are building and just general questions of interest. Between making a new computer, chasing airplanes, and all the other stuff. I am about to go nuts. 250 messages and more each day is wearing me down. Lee M. New Braunfels, TX ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 10:15:10 -0600 From: "Lance Krieg" To: Subject: Re: site update Message-ID: Dave wonders: "Out of curiosity, what colours are the rib tapes [of the Knowlton Fokker D.VII]?" If memory serves, they are cut from lozenge fabric. One thing of note: the varnish has darkened with age to the point of being deep brown, and the entire plane is covered in it, and it makes the tapes look darker than they are. It is unclear (but likely) that the Canadians flew this plane considerably after the war, as it is composed of components from a number of different aircraft. They may have added this varnish themselves, though of course the Germans overvarnished, too. Even an unrestored artifact presents mysteries! Lance ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 16:17:04 +0000 From: Nigel Cheffers-Heard To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: art & science Message-ID: I remember reading once that an art is a science with more than seven variables.... N >.........That's 'art'. -- Nigel Cheffers-Heard photography + design tel: +44 (0)1392 87 58 57 fax: +44 (0)1392 87 74 97 mobile: 0771 261 4514 nigelch@cheffers.co.uk www.cheffers.co.uk Laburnums, Bridge Hill Topsham, Exeter EX3 0QQ, UK ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 16:28:38 +0000 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Cc: lemen@x25.net Subject: Re: Temp condition Message-ID: Don't get lost Lee! We will be here awaiting for your return. Take care! D. >From: "Lee M." >Reply-To: wwi@wwi-models.org >To: Multiple recipients of list >Subject: [WWI] Temp condition >Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 11:05:31 -0500 (EST) > >I will soon unsubscribe. > >Just to darn busy and I can't keep up with all I have to do. > >Will try to get back later > >For now personal messages to > >lemen@x25.net > >For photos of the planes we are building and just general questions of >interest. > >Between making a new computer, chasing airplanes, and all the other stuff. > >I am about to go nuts. 250 messages and more each day is wearing me down. > >Lee M. >New Braunfels, TX _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail&xAPID=42&PS=47575&PI=7324&DI=7474&SU= http://www.hotmail.msn.com/cgi-bin/getmsg&HL=1216hotmailtaglines_addphotos_3mf ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 10:39:33 -0600 From: John Huggins To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: MPM W.29 (was Re: BE2e question/ was: OT dog question) Message-ID: <464E0210-1C15-11D7-86F9-0003934C8626@huggins-leahey.com> I did the Pegasus kit when it first came out. You will have to remove (thin) the fuselage in the cockpit area, and I seam to remember having to replace the control wheel. The one in the kit just looked way too big. I replaced the rudder and changed the personal markings, but used everything else from the kit including the Navel hex decals. I used Aeromaster RLM Gray o2 and then buffed it out and it turned a sea green color. Funny how gray does that when buffed. I also replaced the guns with pe parts. Took it to a couple of local and a regional contest and did pretty well with it. 1st in both local and a 2nd at the regional. I wanted to do the MPM kit, but just could not get past opening the box. Don't know why, it is still just another opened box. Someday? JP ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 10:45:39 -0600 From: Ken Schmitt To: Subject: ATTENTION: Masters Crawford, Weier, et al Message-ID: Drunk Elk Shot Dead After Attacking Boy STOCKHOLM (Reuters) - Police shot dead a drunken bull elk that attacked a young boy while intoxicated on fermented apples, Swedish daily Aftonbladet reported Monday. The elk attacked the 8-year-old as he played in the garden of his home in the town of Karlskoga in central Sweden. The youngster was badly shaken but escaped serious injury, suffering only a bruised neck. Elk, common in sparsely populated Sweden, are normally shy creatures but they can become aggressive when they eat rotten apples, a favorite winter snack that can make them drunk. So was the boy intoxicated? The elk? The coppers? dunno, Neil looks...well...older than that... Ken, looking up postal rates for 'Freight' ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 17:02:43 +0000 From: Dave Fleming To: Subject: Jaeger Fokker DVII (OAW) 1/48th on ebay Message-ID: <1041267763.3e107c3384906@netmail.pipex.net> Interesting selling method from Jaeger! http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3103769268 Don't blame him for trying this - if it means more OT subjects, I hope 'Redaxe' has his credit card on 'overload!! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 11:20:20 -0600 (CST) From: tbittners@sprintmail.com (Matt Bittner) To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Back at it Message-ID: <200212301720.gBUHKKi12231@king1.kingsnake.com> Although I've been concentrating on an off topic review model, this morning I forgot I had to wash the canopy before I could add it. So, I decided to dig out the SPAD and do some work on it. And you know what? It actually felt good. I've been concentrating (when I've been "given" modeling time) on this single-winger for so long, I forgot how it feels to work on something real. This could bode well for those Nieuports I want to build. ;-) Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 10:35:20 -0800 (PST) From: Sean Brian Kirby To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Jaeger Fokker DVII (OAW) 1/48th on ebay Message-ID: <20021230183520.3629.qmail@web14807.mail.yahoo.com> --- Dave Fleming wrote: > > Interesting selling method from Jaeger! Didn't mention if it includes the Loz'. Have plenty of that lovely Eagle Strike stuff, though... ===== www.pitpass.com __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 4876 **********************