WWI Digest 4875 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: I've nearly finished the fokker by "Shane Weier" 2) Re: BE2e question/ was: OT dog question by "Diego Fernetti" 3) Re: I've nearly finished the fokker by Sean Brian Kirby 4) Re: BE2e question/ was: OT dog question by Sean Brian Kirby 5) Re: I've nearly finished the fokker by "Diego Fernetti" 6) Re: BE2e question/ was: OT dog question by Sean Brian Kirby 7) Re: BE2e question/ was: OT dog question by "Shane Weier" 8) Re: BE2e question/ was: OT dog question by "John & Allison Cyganowski" 9) Re: I've nearly finished the fokker by MARK MILLER 10) Re: BE2e question/ was: OT dog question by "Shane Weier" 11) Re: outrageous accents by Ken Schmitt 12) Re: outrageous accents by "Shane Weier" 13) Re: BE2e question/ was: OT dog question by "John & Allison Cyganowski" 14) Re: outrageous accents by "John & Allison Cyganowski" 15) Re: BE2e question/ was: OT dog question by Sean Brian Kirby 16) Re: BE2e question/ was: OT dog question by Sean Brian Kirby 17) Re: BE2e question/ was: OT dog question by Dave F 18) Re: I've nearly finished the fokker by xtv16@dial.pipex.com 19) Re: BE2e question/ was: OT dog question by "Shane Weier" 20) Re: BE2e question/ was: OT dog question by "John & Allison Cyganowski" 21) Re: BE2e question/ was: OT dog question by Eric GALLAUD 22) Lloyd CV Control linkage?? by CAUhlir@aol.com 23) Re: BE2e question/ was: OT dog question by "Shane Weier" 24) Re: Lloyd CV Control linkage?? by Karen Rychlewski 25) Re: Lloyd CV Control linkage?? by sm5192@verizon.net 26) Re: Lloyd CV Control linkage?? by Karen Rychlewski 27) Re: Lloyd CV Control linkage?? by "David C. Fletcher" 28) Get 'em young! by Dave Fleming 29) Re: Lloyd CV Control linkage?? by Nigel Cheffers-Heard 30) Re: site update by "Diego Fernetti" 31) Re: Site updated by "Diego Fernetti" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 08:50:30 +1000 From: "Shane Weier" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: I've nearly finished the fokker Message-ID: D >I believed that the artist painted the scene as if the watcher was a >bird. >A bobolink, to be precise. Asian or European? Shane _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 3 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail&xAPID=42&PS=47575&PI=7324&DI=7474&SU= http://www.hotmail.msn.com/cgi-bin/getmsg&HL=1216hotmailtaglines_smartspamprotection_3mf ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2002 22:52:13 +0000 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: BE2e question/ was: OT dog question Message-ID: Sean! >Oh, scales? Name one. :) Love 1:48 and 1:72 for >different reasons. (The smaller scales fun for getting >all those cool markings done, right?) A good 1:32 or >1:28 kit will have my attention. Those 1:16 Albatrosen >looked nice. Get the point? ;) Ooohhh you are a sick, sick individual, Sean. I like you already! ;-) D. about to visit >www.pitpass.com _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 limited-time offer: Join now and get 3 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/dialup&xAPID=42&PS=47575&PI=7324&DI=7474&SU= http://www.hotmail.msn.com/cgi-bin/getmsg&HL=1216hotmailtaglines_newmsn8ishere_3mf ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2002 14:54:18 -0800 (PST) From: Sean Brian Kirby To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: I've nearly finished the fokker Message-ID: <20021229225418.54109.qmail@web14801.mail.yahoo.com> --- Shane Weier wrote: > > Ah yes, but you forget the theory of relativity - > the artist is assuming > that the painting is seen from the point of view of > someone floating > stationary in space above the ground. The *artist* > has painted the aircraft > as if he's in another flying in formation with them, > and therefore the > subject is *stationary* as far he sees - and the > only things blurry are the > prop and the critics imagination > > Shane Yeah. I hope this is a sufficient answer for all those among you who go for that whole "scale-effect" hooey. :p :) But, Dicta Ira! Sean ===== www.pitpass.com __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2002 14:58:26 -0800 (PST) From: Sean Brian Kirby To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: BE2e question/ was: OT dog question Message-ID: <20021229225826.86835.qmail@web14809.mail.yahoo.com> --- Diego Fernetti wrote: > Say a "que hacés loco" from here to him. Is there a comma missing, there? Where are > you form? I can't recall > if you said that before. Scotland? No, Dave Fleming's from Scotland. Yo soy de Baltimore, Maryland - y del mundo entiro. :) So we be in the same time-zone, I'd think. > > Well, somehow our enthusiasm was cut short... ;-) > D. Oh. ===== www.pitpass.com __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2002 22:57:22 +0000 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: I've nearly finished the fokker Message-ID: Crabby Shane wrote: >Asian or European? Argentinian, for sure! ;-) D. _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2002 15:00:33 -0800 (PST) From: Sean Brian Kirby To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: BE2e question/ was: OT dog question Message-ID: <20021229230033.34662.qmail@web14812.mail.yahoo.com> --- Diego Fernetti wrote: > Ooohhh you are a sick, sick individual, Sean. I like > you already! ;-) > D. > about to visit > >www.pitpass.com You do that. I love F1. (Your country is so funny - gave us Juan Manuel Fangio... and Gaston Mazzacane!) And yes, I am sick. As Ira'd say, a "scale-slut." Sean ===== www.pitpass.com __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 09:04:02 +1000 From: "Shane Weier" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: BE2e question/ was: OT dog question Message-ID: Sean, >No, Dave Fleming's from Scotland. Yo soy de Baltimore, >Maryland - y del mundo entiro. :) So we be in the same >time-zone, I'd think. > > Nope. As I send this you'd be 6:03pm Sunday, and Diego would be on 8:03pm. Here in Brisbane it's 9:03am Monday. Time to start work :-( Shane _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 3 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus&xAPID=42&PS=47575&PI=7324&DI=7474&SU= http://www.hotmail.msn.com/cgi-bin/getmsg&HL=1216hotmailtaglines_virusprotection_3mf ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2002 18:19:05 -0500 From: "John & Allison Cyganowski" To: Subject: Re: BE2e question/ was: OT dog question Message-ID: <002201c2af90$af0dbde0$833f5b0c@millipore.com> My sympathies. If I had to go to work on Monday I would be a little crusty. I am beginning my second week of vacation. Our company policy does not allow carry-over of vacation from year to year. I have to "use it or lose it". I have no intention of losing it. Cyg. > Here in Brisbane it's 9:03am Monday. Time to start work :-( > > Shane > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2002 15:29:46 -0800 (PST) From: MARK MILLER To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: I've nearly finished the fokker Message-ID: <20021229232946.98356.qmail@web80006.mail.yahoo.com> > >Did you read the critics drivel on the WWI art page > at > > > -snip- > > >We're lucky that some artists do devote effort to > detail, as it makes > >our efforts that much easier. Also, who decided > that things disappear > >at speed? A critic is a person who can't do it, > but tells others what > >they did wrong...Bah, humbug! (or is that 'Hunbug' > in this case???) Yes, these comments about the artist including details that "should" be invisible are kind of strange. Personaly, I think the author just HAD to take a swipe at it because the painting is so realistic. and what is his point about being able to change the background landscape and roundels and it could be any nationality? But, he also says this: "This painting can be seen as the archetype of aviation painting as it proliferated all over" Which makes this a rather important piece in my book ;-) also I thought this parting comment was interesting: "the painting works as a documentary depiction." Which (IMHO)is a backhanded compliment which realy means - this is illustration not art. whatever... Sorry but if i might present a little criticsm myself: Are those DIIIs? Don't you think they look a little ...fat sort of like a charactature. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 09:33:24 +1000 From: "Shane Weier" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: BE2e question/ was: OT dog question Message-ID: Hi Cyg, >My sympathies. If I had to go to work on Monday I would be a little >crusty. LOL - I couldn't take vacation because I used mine up moving house twice this year - so even though company policy is that everyone except critical support personell take Christmas-New Year off I'm at work providing network support. Except - the only guys working are miners, geologists and engineers. The people who need hand holding are accountants, lawyers and business managers so I haven't got enough to be busy. So....I'm haunting the list and searching for my notes from way back when I built the MPM H-B W.29 Of course, come Thursday the place will be *too* busy. Shane _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 limited-time offer: Join now and get 3 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/dialup&xAPID=42&PS=47575&PI=7324&DI=7474&SU= http://www.hotmail.msn.com/cgi-bin/getmsg&HL=1216hotmailtaglines_newmsn8ishere_3mf ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2002 17:41:16 -0600 From: Ken Schmitt To: Subject: Re: outrageous accents Message-ID: > "Bozo the Clown said:"...... He was related to Buba Ahmed and an assorted group of Export/Importers. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 09:45:59 +1000 From: "Shane Weier" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: outrageous accents Message-ID: Ken the deranged says: > > "Bozo the Clown said:"...... >He was related to Buba Ahmed and an assorted group of Export/Importers. Including the multifarious flying boot salesman Grumpy (which reminds me, we once had a thread about feeling Grumpy, and I didn't even notice. Bloody diabetes takes away the sensation from everything.....) _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 3 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus&xAPID=42&PS=47575&PI=7324&DI=7474&SU= http://www.hotmail.msn.com/cgi-bin/getmsg&HL=1216hotmailtaglines_eliminateviruses_3mf ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2002 19:32:15 -0500 From: "John & Allison Cyganowski" To: Subject: Re: BE2e question/ was: OT dog question Message-ID: <000801c2af9a$e7e3de10$0d395b0c@millipore.com> I remember that series of posts. Or was it the Flashback kit? I like the W.29 but was always put off by the price. I also really enjoyed your series of posts on correcting the Eduard Pup. That turtle deck stuff souneded tricky. Cyg. >..I'm haunting the > list and searching for my notes from way back when I built the MPM H-B W.29 > > Of course, come Thursday the place will be *too* busy. > > Shane > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN 8 limited-time offer: Join now and get 3 months FREE*. > http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/dialup&xAPID=42&PS=47575&PI=7324&DI=7474&SU= > http://www.hotmail.msn.com/cgi-bin/getmsg&HL=1216hotmailtaglines_newmsn8ishe re_3mf > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2002 19:33:59 -0500 From: "John & Allison Cyganowski" To: Subject: Re: outrageous accents Message-ID: <000d01c2af9b$258833b0$0d395b0c@millipore.com> I think it was "feeling Frisky". Apologies to Frisky, Cyg. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Shane Weier" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Sunday, December 29, 2002 6:48 PM Subject: [WWI] Re: outrageous accents > Ken the deranged says: > > > "Bozo the Clown said:"...... > >He was related to Buba Ahmed and an assorted group of Export/Importers. > Including the multifarious flying boot salesman > > Grumpy > > (which reminds me, we once had a thread about feeling Grumpy, and I didn't > even notice. Bloody diabetes takes away the sensation from everything.....) > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 3 months FREE*. > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus&xAPID=42&PS=47575&PI=7324&DI=7474&S U= > http://www.hotmail.msn.com/cgi-bin/getmsg&HL=1216hotmailtaglines_eliminatevi ruses_3mf > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2002 16:37:28 -0800 (PST) From: Sean Brian Kirby To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: BE2e question/ was: OT dog question Message-ID: <20021230003728.92563.qmail@web14810.mail.yahoo.com> --- Shane Weier wrote: > Nope. As I send this you'd be 6:03pm Sunday, and > Diego would be on 8:03pm. > > Here in Brisbane it's 9:03am Monday. Time to start > work :-( > I think Diego and I are in the same time-zone. Ah, so you're in Australia... Sean ===== www.pitpass.com __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2002 16:44:04 -0800 (PST) From: Sean Brian Kirby To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: BE2e question/ was: OT dog question Message-ID: <20021230004404.59653.qmail@web14811.mail.yahoo.com> --- John & Allison Cyganowski wrote: I also > really enjoyed your series > of posts on correcting the Eduard Pup. That turtle > deck stuff souneded > tricky. The other day, I found an article in my notebook that Ira had handed me, back in '99 - on correcting the Eduard Pup's rear fuselage. That was yesterday, actually, and now you mention it! I'll be applying that to my Tripe. Um... anyone know a source for Little's markings? ===== www.pitpass.com __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 00:46:46 +0000 From: Dave F To: Subject: Re: BE2e question/ was: OT dog question Message-ID: <1041209206.3e0f9776c1571@netmail.pipex.net> Quoting Sean Brian Kirby : > And how's the winter been over there, thus-far? > If this is for Scotland, wet!! Still haven't finished much!! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 00:56:17 +0000 From: xtv16@dial.pipex.com To: Subject: Re: I've nearly finished the fokker Message-ID: <1041209777.3e0f99b14b34a@netmail.pipex.net> Quoting MARK MILLER : > > But, he also says this: > "This painting can be seen as the archetype of > aviation painting as it proliferated all over" > Which makes this a rather important piece > in my book ;-) > > also > I thought this parting comment was interesting: > "the painting works as a documentary depiction." > > Which (IMHO)is a backhanded compliment which realy > means - this is illustration not art. > whatever... > I take the first as a mammoth insult - ie "I don't like this style of painting, but it's become the dominant form" The second is intended in the same light - it's too realistic, it's not 'artsy' enough. the cynic in me thinks the interpretation is you don't need an art degree to understand it. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 11:19:09 +1000 From: "Shane Weier" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: BE2e question/ was: OT dog question Message-ID: Cyg >I remember that series of posts. Or was it the Flashback kit? I like >the >W.29 but was always put off by the price. No, mine was definitely the MPM kit. I think the series of post got tidied up by Al or Matt and survive on the list server as a review.> >I also really enjoyed your series >of posts on correcting the Eduard Pup. That turtle deck stuff souneded >tricky. Not me this time, though I remember someone going through what was needed. IIRC, exhaust channel, turtledeck stringers and the upturn of the fuselage longerons forward of the tailplane. Otherwise it was probably the best injected WW1 aircraft kit available for years until Toko/Eduard/Roden etc began the revolution. Memories. I've been on list almost since it began. And I've seen enough good analysis, techniques, reviews, history and humour to fill a library of books. I wish I'd been organised enough to gather and index it all instead of always thinking "Someone said something profound on list about that one time. I wonder who?" Shane _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 3 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail&xAPID=42&PS=47575&PI=7324&DI=7474&SU= http://www.hotmail.msn.com/cgi-bin/getmsg&HL=1216hotmailtaglines_advancedjmf_3mf ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2002 21:13:18 -0500 From: "John & Allison Cyganowski" To: Subject: Re: BE2e question/ was: OT dog question Message-ID: <000401c2afa9$0574a6e0$703e5b0c@millipore.com> I haven't been on that long although I think I go back to 1996. Yes I agree, I was drawn to the list because of my interest in WWI modeling, but I have found here so much more. Just finished an Australian Chardonnay. Cheers! Cyg. > Memories. I've been on list almost since it began. And I've seen enough good > analysis, techniques, reviews, history and humour to fill a library of > books. I wish I'd been organised enough to gather and index it all instead > of always thinking "Someone said something profound on list about that one > time. I wonder who?" > > Shane > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 3 months FREE*. > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail&xAPID=42&PS=47575&PI=7324&DI=747 4&SU= > http://www.hotmail.msn.com/cgi-bin/getmsg&HL=1216hotmailtaglines_advancedjmf _3mf > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 06:23:23 +0100 From: Eric GALLAUD To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: BE2e question/ was: OT dog question Message-ID: <3E0FD84B.7020500@club-internet.fr> Shane Weier a écrit: >>I remember that series of posts. Or was it the Flashback kit? I like >the >>W.29 but was always put off by the price. >> >> > >No, mine was definitely the MPM kit. I think the series of post got tidied >up by Al or Matt and survive on the list server as a review.> > > The review is here http://www.wwi-models.org/misc/reviews/W29.html but I think it is the "not upgraded" kit. It is very interesting but with this review/build, I will spend more time than I thought to improve the kit ;-) Eric ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 00:35:20 EST From: CAUhlir@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Lloyd CV Control linkage?? Message-ID: <175.143b3c39.2b413518@aol.com> Hi All, I am building the special hobby Lloyd and can't find any indication of control horns on the tail feathers or for that matter any external control cabling to the tail feathers at all. The only reference I have available is the kit documentation. Do any of you guys have any help you can send my way. Thanks, Candice ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 15:43:51 +1000 From: "Shane Weier" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: BE2e question/ was: OT dog question Message-ID: Erc says: >The review is here http://www.wwi-models.org/misc/reviews/W29.html but I >think it is the "not upgraded" kit. Yes, that's it, and yes it is the original kit, built within a few weeks of it being released. I can't seem to do that any more ..... >It is very interesting but with this review/build, I will spend more >time than I thought to improve the kit ;-) I've just been talking to one of the Kens off list about it. The changes I made to the wing improve the looks quite considerably IMO (by getting the characteristic bend in the upper surface) but only disguise the real fault, which IIRC is that the wing should be thickest at the point where the struts attach and taper down both ways. I was (and am still) happy with the result. The kit is as well worth building as the alternatives Shane _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 limited-time offer: Join now and get 3 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/dialup&xAPID=42&PS=47575&PI=7324&DI=7474&SU= http://www.hotmail.msn.com/cgi-bin/getmsg&HL=1216hotmailtaglines_newmsn8ishere_3mf ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 01:27:39 -0500 From: Karen Rychlewski To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Lloyd CV Control linkage?? Message-ID: <3E0FE75C.8E5629FF@earthlink.net> CAUhlir@aol.com wrote > I am building the special hobby Lloyd and can't find any indication of > control horns on the tail feathers or for that matter any external control > cabling to the tail feathers at all. The only reference I have available is > the kit documentation. Do any of you guys have any help you can send my way. Well, Candice, I don't know about the guys, but I have a set of jpegged scans from various sources, including the Windsock Jan/Feb 1990 article. How many profiles do you want? Can I talk you into doing a Polish version? :-) Karen ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 0:51:12 -0600 From: sm5192@verizon.net To: Subject: Re: Lloyd CV Control linkage?? Message-ID: <20021230065112.YTKU21770.out003.verizon.net@[192.168.129.96]> Karen, Since this is a future project for me as well, can I get copies too? It looks to me like there must be a pushrod to an internal elevator control horn or similar arrangement for elevator control. Alvie > > From: Karen Rychlewski > Date: 2002/12/30 Mon AM 12:29:45 CST > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: [WWI] Re: Lloyd CV Control linkage?? > > > > CAUhlir@aol.com wrote > > > I am building the special hobby Lloyd and can't find any indication of > > control horns on the tail feathers or for that matter any external control > > cabling to the tail feathers at all. The only reference I have available is > > the kit documentation. Do any of you guys have any help you can send my way. > > Well, Candice, I don't know about the guys, but I have a set of jpegged scans > from various sources, including the Windsock Jan/Feb 1990 article. How many > profiles do you want? Can I talk you into doing a Polish version? :-) > > Karen > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 01:59:35 -0500 From: Karen Rychlewski To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Lloyd CV Control linkage?? Message-ID: <3E0FEED9.7AAEEA54@earthlink.net> sm5192@verizon.net wrote: > Since this is a future project for me as well, can I get copies too? It looks to me like there must be a pushrod to an internal elevator control horn or similar arrangement for elevator control. Will send them tomorrow--getting a bit past my bedtime right now. I'd love to find a cutaway drawing or something showing the control runs to the tail--elevators look too thin to have internal linkages but I can't see anything on the exterior either: one of life's little mysteries... Karen ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2002 23:25:55 -0800 From: "David C. Fletcher" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Lloyd CV Control linkage?? Message-ID: <3E0FF503.3080605@mars.ark.com> Karen Rychlewski wrote: >I'd love to find a cutaway drawing or something showing the control runs to the tail--elevators look too thin to have internal > linkages but I can't see anything on the exterior either: one of life's little mysteries... My 1:1 scale aeroplane has thin surfaces and no external horns - there is a single horn where the two elevator spars meet inside the structure and are bolted together. Perhaps Herr Lloyd used a similar method? It's cleaner and lighter than pairs of external horns and, let's face it, there wasn't much really new invented after WWI in low-performance, structures and systems before composites arrived - just incremental improvements. Dave Fletcher ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 09:58:14 +0000 From: Dave Fleming To: Subject: Get 'em young! Message-ID: <1041242294.3e1018b606bed@netmail.pipex.net> Matt'll love this one! On Saturday, was reading my Nieuport datafiles and my daughter (2) came up and said 'Aeroplanes! My look at aeroplanes too daddy?" Of course, I let her look at the pictures and said " Do you know what these are called? They are called 'Nieuports'" "Nooports" came the reply. This morning, she picked up one of the DFs from the table and, with a big grin, said 'Look Daddy, Nooports!' On the same subject, any opinions of the Crowood Nieuport book? Got a birthday imminent and have been asked for books I want!! Dave ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 09:57:21 +0000 From: Nigel Cheffers-Heard To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Lloyd CV Control linkage?? Message-ID: It is interesting that when you look REALLY closely at many of these early aircraft, they bear mute testimony to the thought processes of their designers. So although there may not be documentary evidence of how or why a particular thing developed, by putting a particular feature in the wider context it all becomes clearer. Just a historian-type thought for a cold Monday.... N >My 1:1 scale aeroplane has thin surfaces and no external horns - there >is a single horn where the two elevator spars meet inside the structure >and are bolted together. Perhaps Herr Lloyd used a similar method? -- Nigel Cheffers-Heard photography + design tel: +44 (0)1392 87 58 57 fax: +44 (0)1392 87 74 97 mobile: 0771 261 4514 nigelch@cheffers.co.uk www.cheffers.co.uk Laburnums, Bridge Hill Topsham, Exeter EX3 0QQ, UK ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 11:39:02 +0000 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: site update Message-ID: Lance! >Added the rest of Lance's photos from the Canadian air >museum: >AEG G.IV >Sopwith 2F.1 Camel >Fokker DVII Excellent pictures! thanks for sharing!! D. _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 3 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus&xAPID=42&PS=47575&PI=7324&DI=7474&SU= http://www.hotmail.msn.com/cgi-bin/getmsg&HL=1216hotmailtaglines_virusprotection_3mf ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 11:43:44 +0000 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Site updated Message-ID: >On the heels of Mark's additions (good thing I looked at the >date/time group on the news.html file) I added another from Bill >Arnold - a Phonix D.II. I wish I had his time for building!! I wish I had his hand to make that superb camo scheme. Well done Bill, as always! D. now where did I put my Phönix vacuform.. _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 3 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus&xAPID=42&PS=47575&PI=7324&DI=7474&SU= http://www.hotmail.msn.com/cgi-bin/getmsg&HL=1216hotmailtaglines_eliminateviruses_3mf ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 4875 **********************