WWI Digest 4863 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: New Cook-up subject by Ken Schmitt 2) Re: monogrammed nieuport by "Bob Pearson" 3) Re: Odp: Re: Ottoman serials for AEGs.. by "Steven Perry" 4) Re: Nieuport questions by Mike Fletcher 5) RE: New Cook-up subject by "Pedro Soares" 6) Re: New Cook-up subject by "John Sering" 7) re: Best of the Holiday by "Grzegorz Mazurowski" 8) Re: New Cook-up subject by Witold Kozakiewicz 9) RE: New Cook-up subject by "Grzegorz Mazurowski" 10) Re: Biggles by "Shane Weier" 11) Re: When are too many models too Many! by "Shane Weier" 12) Re: New Cook-up subject by xtv16@dial.pipex.com 13) Re: New Cook-up .. We tried this before. by "Ross & Wendy Moorhouse" 14) Re: Nieuport questions by "Shane Weier" 15) RE: New Cook-up subject by "Bob Pearson" 16) Re: New Cook-up subject by "Ray Boorman" 17) Re: New Cook-up subject by "Shane Weier" 18) re: Best of the Holiday by "Shane Weier" 19) Re: When are too many models too Many! by "Mike Muth" 20) RE: New Cook-up subject by "Diego Fernetti" 21) Re: Secret Santa list question & Mac Roland by "Mike Muth" 22) Re: monogrammed nieuport by "Diego Fernetti" 23) RE: Biggles by "Mike Muth" 24) RE: New Cook-up subject by "Diego Fernetti" 25) re: Best of the Holiday by "Diego Fernetti" 26) Re: New Cook-up .. We tried this before. by "Diego Fernetti" 27) Re: early aircraft models was Re: Re: Deperdussin by "Diego Fernetti" 28) RE: New Cook-up subject by Dave Fleming 29) Re: OT dog question by "Diego Fernetti" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 14:09:50 -0600 From: Ken Schmitt To: Subject: Re: New Cook-up subject Message-ID: Ross very reasonably suggests: > Subject: RE: New Cook-up subject > Cane Toads. > > Ross Can't believe you other, thoughtful folks let this fine suggestion go by. I second that (nomination of Toad, not: letting it go by). And for all of you out there already convinced, here is a splendid opportunity to insure we get one (Toad) from one of the majors within the year as it would definitely test all our scratch-building skills. Imagine the paint schemes? Pilot stories? Those attributes alone far outweigh the relative value of a Spad or a Nieuport sortie, IMO. In fact, we could hold a contest for "Best Toad" at conclusion. Ross? Anyone? three categories of dixgussion: OT ot and CT or to some: CT ct (all other subjects not relating) perhaps that's another forum... Ken nb: MC1 np: Toadcracker Suite nr: Frog & Toad go shopping on deck/reading: Toads In The Wires ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 12:10:46 -0800 From: "Bob Pearson" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: monogrammed nieuport Message-ID: <104067448701@smtp-2.vancouver.ipapp.com> Nope, I don't have that one done. The fellow did the tailplane of his aircraft up with stylized initials. I can see it in my mind, but can't recall exactly who it was. .. perhaps Holden. The letters may have been for his hometown or some such if not his name. Progressing further down the nights messages I see Lance provided the name, I believe he is correct as to it being at a French escadrille. .. hmm lessee what the database of photos says about ni27s and Parsons .. brb ... Okay. . I typed in parsons and 27 and got ... nothing ... so lets try OTF and 27 .. I get 13 matches one of which says Nieuport 27 5582 Lt Lansing Holden N.471 Splotch camouflage OTF 1/3:246 Hey, hey, hey. . I was right. . it was Holden. The initials spell out "LCH NY" name and hometown. He also has an AEF roundel on the fin ..... in the background is a shot of a SPAD VII with a running dog insignia on a white oval. Hmm, gues I'll have to profile these two sometime Bob ---------- >From: "Diego Fernetti" >To: Multiple recipients of list >Subject: [WWI] monogrammed nieuport >Date: Mon, Dec 23, 2002, 6:30 am > > Neil! >>What was that one, never heard of this, sounds way cool (doggone, >>there I go speaking american again, sorry!) >>/Neil C. (strictly british) > > I can't quite recall the name, but was a member of the AEF. It made a cover > of Cross and Cockade many years ago and Bob has it profiled on his CD, IIRC > D. > > _________________________________________________________________ > STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 3 months FREE*. > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail&xAPID=42&PS=47575&PI=7324&DI=747 4&SU= > http://www.hotmail.msn.com/cgi-bin/getmsg&HL=1216hotmailtaglines_stopmorespa m_3mf > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 15:22:34 -0500 From: "Steven Perry" To: Subject: Re: Odp: Re: Ottoman serials for AEGs.. Message-ID: <00ff01c2aac1$07502c60$20244918@tampabay.rr.com> Thanks Lance. Sure appreciate the info. Now I know where I stand. Looks like the safest bet is to model an Ottoman machine with serial below 7100. It's easier to mix & match serial # decals than insert a plug in Eric's beautiful fuselage, especially since it's located in the solid part of the casting. :-) sp ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lance Krieg" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Monday, December 23, 2002 10:31 AM Subject: [WWI] Re: Odp: Re: Ottoman serials for AEGs.. > Steve was chasing down AEG C.IV information. > > WWI Aero 178, page 42, begins a lengthy treatise on the camouflage of > these planes by DS Abbott, and here is what he says about the series in > which you have an interest: > > An order of 75 in the range 7050-7124 supplied by AEG were sprayed in a > two color disruptive pattern of pastel grey-green (27B4) and gray-ruby > (12D5) with undersides of pastel blue (23B4) - this includes all struts > and metal work. > > It would appear that the last 25 or so of these machines (7100-7124) > were the vR type with a 600 mm bay added to the fuselage immediately > forward of the vertical stabilizer. > > This entire batch was equipped with the large-capacity radiator for > warm-weather operations, and came equipped with 2800mm Wolff > propellers. > > So if the Ottoman-used machines were in the first 50 of this order, > they have the short fuselage per the CSM kit. > > Note these colors and Methuen designations are derived, I believe, > using the Abbott gray-scale color copies. > > Hope this helps... > > Lance ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 15:24:09 -0500 From: Mike Fletcher To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Nieuport questions Message-ID: <3E0770E9.51980C02@rogers.com> For fiberboard think Ikea furniture - or Paper Maché. Nieuport experimented with something like this but the N.17 replica used a single sheet of ply to form this, draped over stringers and then covered in fabric and doped. The one shot I've seen of the Belgian N.23 without fabric on the rear fuselage appears to also have a ply sheet and NAM did send someone over to ensure their own restoration was as accurate as possible. The rudderpost is covered with fabric and the N.12 is probably the best one to look at - the part is very similar and the fabric is just wrapped around it, going from one side of the fuselage to the other with the seam covered by the rudder. They may have added a spacer to keep the fabric from bowing under tension (there is a shot of it restored that looks like this) or they may have left it to rest on the tube that forms the post. Normally it is smooth with just the two rudder mounts sticking out. Some more info regarding the ply sheet on the bottom - some later types (such as the 24) had this over the fabric with a definite step. Mike Fl. Lance Krieg wrote: > > "By "rabbet" do you mean that they cut away a part of > the longeron so that the plywood would be flush?" > > Yes, a rabbet is a shoulder cut tinto a piece of wood to provide two > gluing surfaces and a mechanical advantage to a joint. Not that > Nieuport necessarily used it, as you have the plans. > > "But I'm not sure I've have a good idea about what this fiberboard > composite looks like." > > Seem like the Nieuport DF Special illustrates this in the color > section, but maybe it was in Windsock. We need Mr. Fletcher's help > here, when he gets online. And ditto for these questions: > > "The Canada air museum's repro looks like they used plywood on the top > decking. Was this stripwood?" > > "Did they fabrick over hardware?" > > I need to look at some pictures; but I would ASSUME that they would sew > and lash fabric to the sternpost, then remove it to where needed to > allow bolts to pass through, for instance. Let me see what I can turn > up... > > And I need your address for your AVRO. > > Lance ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 20:55:43 -0000 From: "Pedro Soares" To: Subject: RE: New Cook-up subject Message-ID: <003001c2aac5$a9bfe540$fa465451@netcabo.pt> I vote Nieuport too. After all I'll finish my 17 untill the end of January (I hope....) Pedro .. .. > > If you go with Nieuports - i can certainly submit a > bunch of stuff from my virtual N17 project. > So that would be my vote. .. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 15:05:37 -0600 From: "John Sering" To: Subject: Re: New Cook-up subject Message-ID: <003301c2aac7$0b8d0400$556ad6d1@default> I'd prefer mariachi frogs; the one playing stringed instruments. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken Schmitt" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Monday, December 23, 2002 2:09 PM Subject: [WWI] Re: New Cook-up subject > Ross very reasonably suggests: > > > Subject: RE: New Cook-up subject > > Cane Toads. > > > > Ross > > Can't believe you other, thoughtful folks let this fine suggestion go by. > I second that (nomination of Toad, not: letting it go by). > And for all of you out there already convinced, here is a splendid > opportunity to insure we get one (Toad) from one of the majors within the > year as it would definitely test all our scratch-building skills. > Imagine the paint schemes? Pilot stories? Those attributes alone far > outweigh the relative value of a Spad or a Nieuport sortie, IMO. > In fact, we could hold a contest for "Best Toad" at conclusion. > Ross? Anyone? > > three categories of dixgussion: > OT > ot > and > CT > > or to some: > CT > ct (all other subjects not relating) > perhaps that's another forum... > > Ken > > nb: MC1 > np: Toadcracker Suite > nr: Frog & Toad go shopping > > on deck/reading: Toads In The Wires > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 22:10:55 +0100 From: "Grzegorz Mazurowski" To: Subject: re: Best of the Holiday Message-ID: <016101c2aac7$c860dc00$0200a8c0@grzesiek> > If you believe in gift receiving, may all the packages to you > under the tree be 1/72nd on topic types!!! :-) I've got Eduard's Fokker E.IV Profipack. I've opened it, as my girl-frend wanted to see how happy I am getting it, and she left Warsaw today to visit her grandparents. Of course I asked for the E.III, as E.IV was never used in Austria. "You know, E.III, the earlier one." - I said. So she went to the hobby shop and asked about earlier Eduard's Fokker, and got E.IV, as an E.IV *kit* appeared earlier than E.III kit... But I can swap it in the shop. That guy promised her... All that story is very nice, as my girl-friend volountarily decided to buy me an OT kit, and she even found a hobby shop without asking me! Also it is the first kit I've got as a Christmas gift since deep childhood! Merry Christmas to all of you, Friends! ***************r-e-k-l-a-m-a************** Masz dosc placenia prowizji bankowi ? mBank - zaloz konto http://epieniadze.onet.pl/mbank ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 22:05:14 +0100 From: Witold Kozakiewicz To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: New Cook-up subject Message-ID: <3E077A8A.4080203@bg.am.lodz.pl> Shane & Lorna Jenkins napisa³: > Hi all, > > Seeing as it's Christmas & it's been a while since we had a new > cook-up, hows about we start a new one. > > I seem to recall that we had decided on Nieuports (now that would make > Matt happy for Christmas ;-) ), because a French subject was next on the > list. Lets throw the subject open for a start on the new Cook-up in the > new year (I'll have recovered from Christmas by then & caught up with > all the backlog on the sites I manage). > Nieuport sounds good for me. Also Spad if I could pick more than one subject. :-) I have some Nieuports and some Spads in my small (only 200+) stockpile. -- Witek Kozakiewicz ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 22:16:10 +0100 From: "Grzegorz Mazurowski" To: Subject: RE: New Cook-up subject Message-ID: <016901c2aac8$86414200$0200a8c0@grzesiek> > I vote Nieuport too. After all I'll finish my 17 untill the end of January > (I hope....) > > Pedro Me too. Not necessarily Nieuport 17, they are all so similar. But 17 is OK too. I can submit review of the Choroszy kit, as Matt makes review for the IM. I'll also submit Italian Nieuport 17 or 11 built in 1/72. SPAD is nice plane, but there is still no decent kit in 1/72. I think we'd better wait for Roden or Eduard's SPAD with SPAD cook-up. Cheers! G. ***************r-e-k-l-a-m-a************** Masz dosc placenia prowizji bankowi ? mBank - zaloz konto http://epieniadze.onet.pl/mbank ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2002 07:51:26 +1000 From: "Shane Weier" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Biggles Message-ID: Neil > > (going home to barbeque - not an elk, because the listees who >Sorry about the elk, didn't think you'd treat it nicely! O ye of little faith. I'd have basted it hourly and taken it with a little chianti..... Shane _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 3 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail&xAPID=42&PS=47575&PI=7324&DI=7474&SU= http://www.hotmail.msn.com/cgi-bin/getmsg&HL=1216hotmailtaglines_stopmorespam_3mf ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2002 07:49:00 +1000 From: "Shane Weier" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: When are too many models too Many! Message-ID: Dave says >My problem was a long spell when, as a single chap, I collected themes, so >there are all the Isreali Air Force kits, all the Argentine Air Force kits, >huge numbers of WW2 & modern 1/144th kits...... > Hey that sounds familiar. I have the Hawker/Sopwith theme, the Golden/Silver wings theme, the Great of Aviation theme, the "It looks cool and I'll but it dammit, even if I never build it" theme..... But still, 90% of the stash is of subjects flying before 1919 Shane _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 3 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail&xAPID=42&PS=47575&PI=7324&DI=7474&SU= http://www.hotmail.msn.com/cgi-bin/getmsg&HL=1216hotmailtaglines_smartspamprotection_3mf ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 22:08:45 +0000 From: xtv16@dial.pipex.com To: Subject: Re: New Cook-up subject Message-ID: <1040681325.3e07896d5aedd@netmail.pipex.net> Aherm, has everyone finished their Sopwiths? I know I haven't even got beyond early work. And I've just finished my Albatros. (Current build rate = stash takes 3000 years to build) Dave F ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2002 09:20:38 +1100 From: "Ross & Wendy Moorhouse" To: Subject: Re: New Cook-up .. We tried this before. Message-ID: <002501c2aad1$88a1ff40$f5482dcb@future> I suggested a trainer cook-up last year and the list didn't want to do another cook-up as we still hadn't finished the ones we still have under way. Note to self : Must get Steven Perry's pics up on the AFV BBQ site. Ross -----Original Message----- From: wwi@wwi-models.org [mailto:wwi@wwi-models.org] On Behalf Of xtv16@dial.pipex.com Sent: Tuesday, 24 December 2002 9:11 AM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [WWI] Re: New Cook-up subject Aherm, has everyone finished their Sopwiths? I know I haven't even got beyond early work. And I've just finished my Albatros. (Current build rate = stash takes 3000 years to build) Dave F ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2002 08:20:47 +1000 From: "Shane Weier" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Nieuport questions Message-ID: SP comments: >Looking at an enlargement of the plans, it seems that they tapered the edge >of the ply to meet the longeron. Probably less labor intensive and still >permits smooth covering. Can't be covering over a sharp edge or abrupt >step. I see from the link that we're talking about the Rosendaal plans, so we have a decent source. It seems to me that ply covering on aircraft tended to be very thin. It could well be 3mm (or less!) 3-ply in which case once fabric is doped over top the only real indication in photos that it was there would be if dirt/oil builds up along the slight step Shane _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 3 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail&xAPID=42&PS=47575&PI=7324&DI=7474&SU= http://www.hotmail.msn.com/cgi-bin/getmsg&HL=1216hotmailtaglines_stopmorespam_3mf ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 14:31:19 -0800 From: "Bob Pearson" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: RE: New Cook-up subject Message-ID: <104068298902@smtp-1.vancouver.ipapp.com> Nah ... lets do SPADs .. SA2/4, VII, XI, XII, XIII, XVI, 20 Bob ---------- >From: "Pedro Soares" > I vote Nieuport too. After all I'll finish my 17 untill the end of January > (I hope....) > > Pedro > . ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 14:34:19 -0800 From: "Ray Boorman" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: New Cook-up subject Message-ID: Good thinking Dave, I did finish my Albatros for the cookup, but somehow the Sopwith didnt seem to spring off my workbench. Sheesh thats almost sacrilidge, it will be even worse if I finish a Nieuport for the next cookup. Just for the record who apart from me owes a model to past cookups Ray ---- Begin Original Message ---- From: xtv16@dial.pipex.com Sent: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 17:10:53 -0500 (EST) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [WWI] Re: New Cook-up subject Aherm,  has everyone finished their Sopwiths? I know I haven't even got beyond early work. And I've just finished my Albatros. (Current build rate = stash takes 3000 years to build) Dave F ______________________________________________________________ Get Your Free E-mail at http://www.prontomail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2002 08:29:22 +1000 From: "Shane Weier" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: New Cook-up subject Message-ID: Dave >Aherm, has everyone finished their Sopwiths? >I know I haven't even got beyond early work. I did. But not far. > >And I've just finished my Albatros. (Current build rate = stash takes 3000 >years to build) At least you'll still have a bunch of these fine folks available to talk to since it seems we all have the same "problem" Shane _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail&xAPID=42&PS=47575&PI=7324&DI=7474&SU= http://www.hotmail.msn.com/cgi-bin/getmsg&HL=1216hotmailtaglines_addphotos_3mf ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2002 08:54:50 +1000 From: "Shane Weier" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: re: Best of the Holiday Message-ID: Grzeg >All that story is very nice, as my girl-friend volountarily decided to buy >me an OT kit, and she even found a hobby shop without asking me! QUICK !!! Marry her !! Shane _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 3 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail&xAPID=42&PS=47575&PI=7324&DI=7474&SU= http://www.hotmail.msn.com/cgi-bin/getmsg&HL=1216hotmailtaglines_smartspamprotection_3mf ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 18:07:53 -0500 From: "Mike Muth" To: Subject: Re: When are too many models too Many! Message-ID: <00af01c2aad8$200bd760$a2d2bacc@ptdprolog.net> But even > >at 10 models a year I am going to have to get to 80+ years old to go > >through > >the present stash. Don't even think about that. I just show my stash to my daughter and tell her it is her inheritance. She just groans. Mike Muth ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 23:05:46 +0000 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: RE: New Cook-up subject Message-ID: NIEUPORT! D. _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 3 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus&xAPID=42&PS=47575&PI=7324&DI=7474&SU= http://www.hotmail.msn.com/cgi-bin/getmsg&HL=1216hotmailtaglines_eliminateviruses_3mf ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 18:10:22 -0500 From: "Mike Muth" To: Subject: Re: Secret Santa list question & Mac Roland Message-ID: <00cd01c2aad8$7b393600$a2d2bacc@ptdprolog.net> Since Marcio's waway, can anyone tell me whether the WWI Secret > >Santa > >"Discussion" (I use that term loosely) is still going? > --------- live and kicking Mostly kicking. Mike Muth ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 23:09:14 +0000 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: monogrammed nieuport Message-ID: >Nieuport 27 5582 Lt Lansing Holden N.471 Splotch camouflage OTF 1/3:246 > >Hey, hey, hey. . I was right. . it was Holden. The initials spell out "LCH >NY" name and hometown. He also has an AEF roundel on the fin ..... in >the I call dibs on this scheme for my Nieuport 27 on the next cook-up! D. Unless we finish modelling cane toads in the next cook-up _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 3 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus&xAPID=42&PS=47575&PI=7324&DI=7474&SU= http://www.hotmail.msn.com/cgi-bin/getmsg&HL=1216hotmailtaglines_virusprotection_3mf ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 18:15:00 -0500 From: "Mike Muth" To: Subject: RE: Biggles Message-ID: <010401c2aad9$1ebfb2e0$a2d2bacc@ptdprolog.net> > There is a moral to be drawn here, but I can't for the life of me see > what it is.... any ideas? > N Yeah...I should be a lawyer in England instead of a Public Defender in Pennsylvania ;-)) Mike Muth ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 23:15:25 +0000 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: RE: New Cook-up subject Message-ID: Grzes shot from eastern Europe: >Me too. Not necessarily Nieuport 17, they are all so similar. Yes? Similar like the Nieuport IV, Nieuport 11 and Nieuport 29??? ;-) >SPAD is nice plane, but there is still no decent kit in 1/72. I think we'd >better wait for Roden or Eduard's SPAD with SPAD cook-up. If we wait until Pegasus releases his new VII, we can do it veeery soon! D. _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 3 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail&xAPID=42&PS=47575&PI=7324&DI=7474&SU= http://www.hotmail.msn.com/cgi-bin/getmsg&HL=1216hotmailtaglines_addphotos_3mf ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 23:13:18 +0000 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: re: Best of the Holiday Message-ID: Grzes! >All that story is very nice, as my girl-friend volountarily decided to buy >me an OT kit, and she even found a hobby shop without asking me! Also it is >the first kit I've got as a Christmas gift since deep childhood! Man do you realize that your girlfriend is the best of the Holiday this time, not the darned kit! Keep her tight, and when time comes, marry her. It's a keepsake! D. Wanda bought me several OT kits during the last 7 years... will she keep doing that? _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail&xAPID=42&PS=47575&PI=7324&DI=7474&SU= http://www.hotmail.msn.com/cgi-bin/getmsg&HL=1216hotmailtaglines_addphotos_3mf ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 23:19:31 +0000 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: New Cook-up .. We tried this before. Message-ID: Ross! >I suggested a trainer cook-up last year and the list didn't want to do >another cook-up as we still hadn't finished the ones we still have under >way. Well, I was convinced on this forum that a trainer cook-up could be a little vague as a Cook-up theme, as they are intended to be a gathering of references and tachniques to be used in a certain kind of model, for example Albatrosen and Sopwiths, where even when there are multitude of models and scales, the basic outlines remain about the same. Better than trainers, I like an AVRO Cook-up someday, even if 90% of the entries should involve scratchbuilding or almost 100% of rework of the kit. D. _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 3 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail&xAPID=42&PS=47575&PI=7324&DI=7474&SU= http://www.hotmail.msn.com/cgi-bin/getmsg&HL=1216hotmailtaglines_stopmorespam_3mf ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 23:22:44 +0000 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: early aircraft models was Re: Re: Deperdussin Message-ID: Yes, I have a couple or three. They seem fine, but much refining and replacing has to be done, as they come with those flimsy aero-skin thingie. The Antoinette is the very best of them all D. >From: "Pedro Soares" >Reply-To: wwi@wwi-models.org >To: Multiple recipients of list >Subject: [WWI] early aircraft models was Re: Re: Deperdussin >Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2002 04:54:45 -0500 (EST) > >. > > > > Mark! > > >I wonder why pre war AC hasn't recieved more attention > > >than it has, particularly with the anniversery coming > > >up. > > > >A couple of days ago there was something on e-bay I had never se.een >before: >a 1/72 kit of something described as a farman voisin aircraft. The model >company was entex or some such japanase firm. Anyone of you has ever seen >this? > >Pedro _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 3 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail&xAPID=42&PS=47575&PI=7324&DI=7474&SU= http://www.hotmail.msn.com/cgi-bin/getmsg&HL=1216hotmailtaglines_stopmorespam_3mf ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 23:24:55 +0000 From: Dave Fleming To: Subject: RE: New Cook-up subject Message-ID: <1040685895.3e079b47d7832@netmail.pipex.net> Quoting Diego Fernetti : > NIEUPORT! > D. > Only if the Eastern Express kits ever appear. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 23:26:25 +0000 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: OT dog question Message-ID: I'm a little behind regarding this thread, but I recall reading somewhere that the poor dog died on the airfield running after and aircraft.... and he catched it. D. Sausage slices, anyone? >From: "Steven Perry" >I've often wondered what became of Moritz, MvR's Great Dane. Don't recall >reading anything anywhere that said for sure. Anyone know? >sp _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail&xAPID=42&PS=47575&PI=7324&DI=7474&SU= http://www.hotmail.msn.com/cgi-bin/getmsg&HL=1216hotmailtaglines_addphotos_3mf ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 4863 **********************