WWI Digest 4862 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Americals Logo Sheets by John_Impenna@hyperion.com 2) Second hand kit sale by SANDLE Hobbies 3) Re: Nieuport questions by "Lance Krieg" 4) Re: Merry Christmas by Dave Fleming 5) Re: Staaken decals by "Diego Fernetti" 6) Re: Dimension database by Crawford Neil 7) Best of the Holiday by "Matt Bittner" 8) RE: New Cook-up subject by Crawford Neil 9) Re: (ot) this is for all you punk rockers by Ray 10) Re: Merry Christmas by Shane & Lorna Jenkins 11) Personalized camou... was OT dog question by "Lance Krieg" 12) Re: Dimension database by "Matt Bittner" 13) Re: New Cook-up subject by Ray 14) Re: cleaning graphite. by Ken Schmitt 15) Re: Staaken decals by Shane & Lorna Jenkins 16) Re: (ot) this is for all you punk rockers by xtv16@dial.pipex.com 17) Re: cleaning graphite. by "Diego Fernetti" 18) Americal decals by "Lance Krieg" 19) LVG CV RE: Re: Dimension database by Crawford Neil 20) Re: Nieuport questions by MARK MILLER 21) Happy christmas unsubbing by Crawford Neil 22) Re: Nieuport questions by "Diego Fernetti" 23) Re: Happy christmas unsubbing by xtv16@dial.pipex.com 24) Re: Nieuport questions by "Lance Krieg" 25) Re: Nieuport questions by MARK MILLER 26) =?GB2312?B?xPrP69Tax+C1us2218rC8KO/?= by =?GB2312?B?zbbXytbD0rXXydGv?= 27) RE: New Cook-up subject by "Ross & Wendy Moorhouse" 28) Re: Japo Book is out by "Marek Mincbergr" 29) Re: cleaning graphite. by "David C. Fletcher" 30) RE: New Cook-up subject by MARK MILLER 31) Re: Nieuport questions by "Steven Perry" 32) Re: cleaning graphite. by "Steven Perry" 33) Re: New Cook-up subject by "Mark Shannon" 34) More WWI Models for the Boy by "Graham Hunter" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 10:35:31 -0500 From: John_Impenna@hyperion.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Americals Logo Sheets Message-ID: Hi Folks, I know this has been asked before but I have lost the email that answered it: What are the prices for the new logo sheets?? TIA!! Regards, John ************************************************************************ If you received this e-mail in error please delete it and notify the sender as soon as possible. The contents of this e-mail may be confidential and the unauthorized use, copying, or dissemination of it and any attachments to it, is prohibited. Internet communications are not secure and Hyperion does not, therefore, accept legal responsibility for the contents of this message nor for any damage caused by viruses. The views expressed here do not necessarily represent those of Hyperion. For more information about Hyperion, please visit our Web site at www.hyperion.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2002 02:46:10 +1100 From: SANDLE Hobbies To: WW1 posts Subject: Second hand kit sale Message-ID: <3E072FC2.6080302@sandlehobbies.com> Hi all, We've got a bunch of second hand kits for sale, including a Hasegawa 1/8 Sopwith Camel (to keep it OT), with plenty of ot kits as well. Check out the site for full details. We now also have secure on-line ordering. All the best, Shane Jenkins SANDLE Hobbies http://sandlehobbies.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 09:41:25 -0600 From: "Lance Krieg" To: Subject: Re: Nieuport questions Message-ID: Mark has a number of questions, viz: "Was this [rear underside] section left uncovered?...was the change in surface hidden somehow?" Without poring over pictures, consider that this area was supporting the robust ply skid structure of these planes. It is a simple matter to cut a rabbet to let the plywood into the lower longeron, and so keep the underside smooth. This rabbet would not materially weaken the longeron, and would eliminate any drag-inducing bump in the skin. "The top decking was plywood (or some kind of wood) was this then covered with fabrick?" Nieuport used a stripwood method as well as a fiber-board composite in all their models; and they doped fabric over the entire structure. This is wonderfully illustrated at the Smithsonian's website reconstruction of the N.28, but also shows clearly in the Brussels N.21. "If anybody has the ... Avro biplane..." If you've been good all year, I'll send you this for Christmas; give me your land address. Lance ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 15:44:13 +0000 From: Dave Fleming To: Subject: Re: Merry Christmas Message-ID: <1040658253.3e072f4d4c25d@netmail.pipex.net> Quoting Shane & Lorna Jenkins : > > Hi all, > > After being bumped over 7 weeks ago & over a 100 digests later, we've > finally re-subbed ;-) > We thought you were all too busy with Sandle to talk to us! Glad to have you back - StE has had it all his own way for too long!! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 15:42:57 +0000 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Staaken decals Message-ID: Shane! > I was wondering about how good the Americal decals for the Staaken >are?? I might as well try & start it next year & get Diego off my back >;-) I won't tell nothing... but how you're gonna live with the guilty conscience? ;-) D. _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 3 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail&xAPID=42&PS=47575&PI=7324&DI=7474&SU= http://www.hotmail.msn.com/cgi-bin/getmsg&HL=1216hotmailtaglines_addphotos_3mf ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 16:52:54 +0100 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: Re: Dimension database Message-ID: I understand why, what's the userid? I remember the password was that other french fighter. Actually I thought it was a great idea, and now I have a little time over, was going to add those LVG data. Incidentally, I'd like a new column (best drawing) and a link from the site. /Neil C. > -----Original Message----- > From: Matt Bittner [mailto:tbittners@sprintmail.com] > Sent: den 23 december 2002 16:34 > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: [WWI] Re: Dimension database > > > On Mon, 23 Dec 2002 10:15:28 -0500 (EST), Crawford Neil wrote: > > > Matt, Is there a link to the dimension database anywhere? > > is anyone updating it? > > No to both questions, unfortunately. > > Is there a need for this kind of thing? At the time sp and I > were talking about it, we thought so. Maybe no one is interested > anymore about maintaining one source for dimensions? > > The URL is: http://www.kithobbyist.com/IPMSFortCrook/WW1_Dim/ > > > Matt Bittner > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 09:52:29 -0600 From: "Matt Bittner" To: "wwi@wwi-models.org" Subject: Best of the Holiday Message-ID: Best of the Holiday to everyone on this list! If you believe in gift receiving, may all the packages to you under the tree be 1/72nd on topic types!!! :-) Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 16:54:28 +0100 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: RE: New Cook-up subject Message-ID: Spad, Spad, Spad. Happy christmas and welcome back Shane (tY) /Neil (one-track mind) C. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 07:30:06 -0800 From: Ray To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: (ot) this is for all you punk rockers Message-ID: <200212230730.06823.Ray_Boorman@telus.net> One of the best anti racism songs of the last 25 years White Riot. I saw the Clash at the Roundhouse, twas a great concert! As Neil said ;( ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2002 03:01:21 +1100 From: Shane & Lorna Jenkins To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Merry Christmas Message-ID: <3E073351.C732DB24@tac.com.au> Hi Dave, > > After being bumped over 7 weeks ago & over a 100 digests later, we've > > finally re-subbed ;-) > > > We thought you were all too busy with Sandle to talk to us! Well that's a major part of why it took so long to get back, along with trips to Queensland, ACT, bushfires, web sites & APMA commitments have just kept us way too busy > Glad to have you back - StE has had it all his own way for too long!! Glad to be back - we'll try and keep the Cane-toads, Mexicans & Sydneysiders in line ;-þ StY ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 09:56:11 -0600 From: "Lance Krieg" To: Subject: Personalized camou... was OT dog question Message-ID: Diego and Neil recall: "... that American Nieuport 27 painted with a personalized camouflage that included the initials of the plane owner!" It was Edwin C. Parsons, IIRC, and he worked those initials onto the starboard horizontal stabilizer. But he was flying with the French, I think. And was it a N.27? Legs will know... Lance ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 09:57:06 -0600 From: "Matt Bittner" To: "wwi@wwi-models.org" Subject: Re: Dimension database Message-ID: On Mon, 23 Dec 2002 10:54:47 -0500 (EST), Crawford Neil wrote: > I understand why, what's the userid? I remember the password was > that other french fighter. No, UserID is the best French aircraft manufacturer. Password is the list's motto. > Actually I thought it was a great idea, and now I have a little > time over, was going to add those LVG data. Excellent! > Incidentally, I'd like a new column (best drawing) and a > link from the site. I can add the link from the site NP. However, I'll have to think about the other. If I do it takes a bit to add, and I'll get to it sometime. Matt ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 07:33:59 -0800 From: Ray To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: New Cook-up subject Message-ID: <200212230733.59993.Ray_Boorman@telus.net> How about two manufacturers to keep the interest up. Fokker and Nieuport would be my vote. Of course that could be because I have a Fokker and Nieuport in the works. PS SWMBO says she has bought me an OT present, sheesh now I have to go find where she has hidden it.... I wonder what it could be?? Ray On Monday 23 December 2002 07:36, you wrote: > Hi all, > > Seeing as it's Christmas & it's been a while since we had a new > cook-up, hows about we start a new one. > > I seem to recall that we had decided on Nieuports (now that would make > Matt happy for Christmas ;-) ), because a French subject was next on the > list. Lets throw the subject open for a start on the new Cook-up in the > new year (I'll have recovered from Christmas by then & caught up with > all the backlog on the sites I manage). > > All the best, > > Shane ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 10:02:58 -0600 From: Ken Schmitt To: Subject: Re: cleaning graphite. Message-ID: D! > Applying the pencil was easy and even when I think that it will be > a chore to clean up the graphite, currently it is helping a lot. > More news later, if I don't ruin the kit. A gentle swipe with lighter fluid (Naptha) or mineral spirits dampened cloth will swab away the remaining pencil residue. Emphasis on "gentle", but it will lift it - keep turning the cloth so you are using a 'clean side' as you go. Try it on a scrap piece first if it seems hazardous to putty or plastic or such...easy now cos you may melt something....but it works. Ken ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2002 03:07:19 +1100 From: Shane & Lorna Jenkins To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Staaken decals Message-ID: <3E0734B7.C4F57002@tac.com.au> Diego, > > I was wondering about how good the Americal decals for the Staaken > >are?? I might as well try & start it next year & get Diego off my back > >;-) > > I won't tell nothing... but how you're gonna live with the guilty > conscience? ;-) Easily ;-) - afterall it'll be my first vac StY ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 16:10:52 +0000 From: xtv16@dial.pipex.com To: Subject: Re: (ot) this is for all you punk rockers Message-ID: <1040659852.3e07358c49a1f@netmail.pipex.net> Quoting Ray : > One of the best anti racism songs of the last 25 years White Riot. > I saw the Clash at the Roundhouse, twas a great concert! > The Clash never did anything for me, I was too much of an AC/DC fan, but I did like their version of "I fought The Law". He did seem to stand up for his principles though. A sad loss for his family and the British music community. Dave Fleming ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 16:15:09 +0000 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: cleaning graphite. Message-ID: Mmmmmmm! I like the risk! D. >From: Ken Schmitt > > Applying the pencil was easy and even when I think that it will be > > a chore to clean up the graphite, currently it is helping a lot. > > More news later, if I don't ruin the kit. >A gentle swipe with lighter fluid (Naptha) or mineral spirits dampened >cloth >will swab away the remaining pencil residue. Emphasis on "gentle", but it >will lift it - keep turning the cloth so you are using a 'clean side' as >you >go. Try it on a scrap piece first if it seems hazardous to putty or plastic >or such...easy now cos you may melt something....but it works. > >Ken _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 3 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus&xAPID=42&PS=47575&PI=7324&DI=7474&SU= http://www.hotmail.msn.com/cgi-bin/getmsg&HL=1216hotmailtaglines_eliminateviruses_3mf ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 10:16:11 -0600 From: "Lance Krieg" To: Subject: Americal decals Message-ID: StY wonders: "...how good the Americal decals for the Staaken are? Are there any other mfr's who do decals for the Staaken?" AFAIK, the only thing Americal offers is the camouflage ( and maybe some giant crosses - I don't buy the 1/72 sheets ]. Americal lozenge sheets are my favorite. I can't imagine any EXCEPT Americal supplying anything for a kit that big and that rare. And Jon, the logo decals are $12.50. Lance ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 17:19:59 +0100 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: LVG CV RE: Re: Dimension database Message-ID: OK added the LVG, forgot to thank Steve Cox for the offer of help with civil schemes for the LVG, at my rate of building, I'll be grateful for that around 2007 Steve! /Neil C. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 08:33:40 -0800 (PST) From: MARK MILLER To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Nieuport questions Message-ID: <20021223163340.24462.qmail@web80006.mail.yahoo.com> --- Lance Krieg wrote: > Mark has a number of questions, viz: "...It is a simple matter to cut a rabbet to let the plywood into the lower longeron, and so keep the underside smooth. " Hi Lance Thanks for the reply By "rabbet" do you mean that they cut away a part of the longeron so that the plywood would be flush? This sounds entirely reasonable. But the plans distinctly show the plywood sticking out from the longeron. I realised later that the cockpit area also has plywood attached to the bottoms of the longerons just like the back. I'm assuming they spliced on something to the longerons to give it a continuous smooth surface. just a difference of couple mm your way or mine so i guess it doesn't make a WHOLE lot of difference ;-) "Nieuport used a stripwood method as well as a fiber-board composite in all their models; and they doped fabric over the entire structure. This is wonderfully illustrated at the Smithsonian's website reconstruction of the N.28, but also shows clearly in the Brussels N.21." Yes - i've seen some photos of the 28 which clearly show this stripwood method. But I'm not sure I've have a good idea about what this fiberboard composite looks like. The Canada air museum's repro looks like they used plywood on the top decking. Was this stripwood? I'll try the Belgium site again. Last time I tried the website was down. One more question: Did they fabrick over hardware? For instance - the stern post is a rather complicated piece - with all sorts of bolt and stuff sticking out. Did they just fabrick over it or did they cutaway the material to leave it exposed. Some of it has to be exposed like the hole and attachment pins at the top where the stab and rudder attach. > "If anybody has the ... Avro biplane..." > > If you've been good all year, I'll send you this for > Christmas; give me > your land address. > > Lance Good all year? hmmm..... well, ah... yes I've been good Yes, that's right .... I've been VERY good ;-) Lance this is awful nice of you. I believe i owe you a package as well - I'll include something that i hope you will enjoy. Sorry about the delay - Christmas and all Just one last trip to Toys R Us and I'm done. All my kids want are video games Too bad - somebody is getting one of those new Electric RC Planes whether they like it or not ;-) Thanks Lance and have a good holiday Mark ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 17:42:48 +0100 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: Happy christmas unsubbing Message-ID: Happy Christmas and Merry New Year God Jul och Gott Nytt År /Neil C. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 16:45:57 +0000 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Nieuport questions Message-ID: Mark I relayed the questions to Alberto offlist... D. _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 3 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail&xAPID=42&PS=47575&PI=7324&DI=7474&SU= http://www.hotmail.msn.com/cgi-bin/getmsg&HL=1216hotmailtaglines_advancedjmf_3mf ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 16:49:29 +0000 From: xtv16@dial.pipex.com To: Subject: Re: Happy christmas unsubbing Message-ID: <1040662169.3e073e991b6bd@netmail.pipex.net> Quoting Crawford Neil : > Happy Christmas and Merry New Year > > God Jul och Gott Nytt År > That's easy for you to say :-) Have a good One everyone!! Dave Fleming ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 10:49:01 -0600 From: "Lance Krieg" To: Subject: Re: Nieuport questions Message-ID: "By "rabbet" do you mean that they cut away a part of the longeron so that the plywood would be flush?" Yes, a rabbet is a shoulder cut tinto a piece of wood to provide two gluing surfaces and a mechanical advantage to a joint. Not that Nieuport necessarily used it, as you have the plans. "But I'm not sure I've have a good idea about what this fiberboard composite looks like." Seem like the Nieuport DF Special illustrates this in the color section, but maybe it was in Windsock. We need Mr. Fletcher's help here, when he gets online. And ditto for these questions: "The Canada air museum's repro looks like they used plywood on the top decking. Was this stripwood?" "Did they fabrick over hardware?" I need to look at some pictures; but I would ASSUME that they would sew and lash fabric to the sternpost, then remove it to where needed to allow bolts to pass through, for instance. Let me see what I can turn up... And I need your address for your AVRO. Lance ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 09:42:49 -0800 (PST) From: MARK MILLER To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Nieuport questions Message-ID: <20021223174249.83800.qmail@web80009.mail.yahoo.com> --- Lance Krieg wrote: > Yes, a rabbet is a shoulder cut tinto a piece of > wood to provide two > gluing surfaces and a mechanical advantage to a > joint. Not that > Nieuport necessarily used it, as you have the plans. Lance Kind of hard o see at this size - but this is the plan i'm using: http://mars.ark.com/~mdf/Nie17_1m.jpg "Seem like the Nieuport DF Special illustrates this in the color section, but maybe it was in Windsock. We need Mr. Fletcher's help here, when he gets online. And ditto for these questions" I guess i should have put the Nieport special on my Christmas list. along with all the other datafiles i want ;-) > I need to look at some pictures; but I would ASSUME > that they would sew > and lash fabric to the sternpost, then remove it to > where needed to > allow bolts to pass through, for instance. 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Ross -----Original Message----- From: wwi@wwi-models.org [mailto:wwi@wwi-models.org] On Behalf Of Shane & Lorna Jenkins Sent: Tuesday, 24 December 2002 2:36 AM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [WWI] New Cook-up subject Hi all, Seeing as it's Christmas & it's been a while since we had a new cook-up, hows about we start a new one. I seem to recall that we had decided on Nieuports (now that would make Matt happy for Christmas ;-) ), because a French subject was next on the list. Lets throw the subject open for a start on the new Cook-up in the new year (I'll have recovered from Christmas by then & caught up with all the backlog on the sites I manage). All the best, Shane ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 19:07:09 +0100 From: "Marek Mincbergr" To: Subject: Re: Japo Book is out Message-ID: <004701c2aaae$3fbede60$caeb5ad4@ca004834> Yes it is out. I bought it just a hour before. It is for 400 Czech crown (cca 13 USD). It has 112 pages and it looks... wait ... GRAT! I just have contact Mr. tesar to say thanks and to ask something about colours of one plane (38.02). I suppose, that it should be good present from Santa or anytime later. Karen, If you still want copy, just send me a mail with your adress and you will got it. BR Marek > Just received an e-mail from modelimex listing the news for December. The > Japo Aviatik DI, DII book is out. > > Santa, do you read me? > > Pedro ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 10:16:37 -0800 From: "David C. Fletcher" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: cleaning graphite. Message-ID: <3E075305.9060803@mars.ark.com> Ken Schmitt wrote: > A gentle swipe with lighter fluid (Naptha)... This reminds me of a tip that appeared back in the 1960s. To get a bleached, weathered appearance, it was recommended that lighter fluid be added to the paint. I tried it with Humbrol paint (on an 'ot' Japanese aircraft) and it worked. Now whether (weather?) it would be up to the standards accepted 40 years later I don't know; alas the original has not survived the rigours of time. Anybody with spare time and a kit to risk going to give it a try? Dave Fletcher ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 10:29:41 -0800 (PST) From: MARK MILLER To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: RE: New Cook-up subject Message-ID: <20021223182941.90102.qmail@web80009.mail.yahoo.com> New cookup sounds great to me. But, IMHO. we should keep it to a single manufaturer. It seems to me, that if we make the catagory too broad it sort of defeats the purpose. But, Ray is right in that we need to choose something that will promote widespread involvment. If you go with Nieuports - i can certainly submit a bunch of stuff from my virtual N17 project. So that would be my vote. i'm commited to finishing this project by the spring so that's what I'll be working on in any case. But, right after that i want to do an external SPAD 13 so i might be able to participate in this as well. just my 2 cents ;-) Mark ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 13:46:08 -0500 From: "Steven Perry" To: Subject: Re: Nieuport questions Message-ID: <00b801c2aab3$8ebcc900$20244918@tampabay.rr.com> > --- Lance Krieg wrote: > > Yes, a rabbet is a shoulder cut tinto a piece of > > wood to provide two > > gluing surfaces and a mechanical advantage to a > > joint. Not that > > Nieuport necessarily used it, as you have the plans. > > Lance > Kind of hard o see at this size - but this is the plan > i'm using: > http://mars.ark.com/~mdf/Nie17_1m.jpg Looking at an enlargement of the plans, it seems that they tapered the edge of the ply to meet the longeron. Probably less labor intensive and still permits smooth covering. Can't be covering over a sharp edge or abrupt step. sp ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 13:49:07 -0500 From: "Steven Perry" To: Subject: Re: cleaning graphite. Message-ID: <00c701c2aab3$f998be00$20244918@tampabay.rr.com> > > A gentle swipe with lighter fluid (Naptha)... > > > This reminds me of a tip that appeared back in the 1960s. To get a > bleached, weathered appearance, it was recommended that lighter fluid be > added to the paint. I tried it with Humbrol paint (on an 'ot' Japanese > aircraft) and it worked. Now whether (weather?) it would be up to the > standards accepted 40 years later I don't know; alas the original has > not survived the rigours of time. Anybody with spare time and a kit to > risk going to give it a try? Back in the 60s as kids we used lighter fluid, (naptha), on our models. Only weathering effect we got was Fire Storm :-) sp ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 13:25:36 -0600 From: "Mark Shannon" To: Subject: Re: New Cook-up subject Message-ID: <013501c2aab9$1206c360$2272fea9@theshann> Yeah?! Nieuports or Spads would be good - on the other hand, I kind of like the idea of Austro-Hungarian/Italian subjects. When you going to finish the Albatros Cook-up update? Joyeux Noel et une bonne annee! .Mark. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Shane & Lorna Jenkins" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Monday, December 23, 2002 9:35 AM Subject: [WWI] New Cook-up subject > > Hi all, > > Seeing as it's Christmas & it's been a while since we had a new > cook-up, hows about we start a new one. > > I seem to recall that we had decided on Nieuports (now that would make > Matt happy for Christmas ;-) ), because a French subject was next on the > list. Lets throw the subject open for a start on the new Cook-up in the > new year (I'll have recovered from Christmas by then & caught up with > all the backlog on the sites I manage). > > All the best, > > Shane > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 13:38:19 -0600 From: "Graham Hunter" To: Subject: More WWI Models for the Boy Message-ID: <000a01c2aaba$da4ccb20$770101c0@ghunter> I picked up a couple more models for my son Kevin today. He is almost finished the D.VII I got him a few weeks ago. Finishing it as the early production version that is profiled on the back cover of DF 9. Anyway today I got him two more and there both French (thinking of Matt at xmas time-sort of), BUT of course they are in the correct scale. Picked up Testor's Spad 13 and Nieuport 17 48 scale offerings (complete with moulded-in roundels). Perfect for an eight year old, of course the AMSer in me will insist that he sand off the moulded-in roundels. Happy Holidays, Graham ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 4862 **********************