WWI Digest 4857 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Deperdussin by "Diego Fernetti" 2) LOTR Two Towers by Ray 3) Re: Forget the cheese was Re: what's for dinner? by "Matt Bittner" 4) Re: what's for dinner? by "Matt Bittner" 5) Re: LOTR Two Towers by "Diego Fernetti" 6) Brent's webcam by "Diego Fernetti" 7) Re: translation help needed by "Diego Fernetti" 8) Re: what's for dinner? by MARK MILLER 9) annals of history by Ken Schmitt 10) Re: not just a kit device- it's Iychthicide by Ken Schmitt 11) Re: Deperdussin by pfalzdvii@att.net 12) Re: Forget the cheese was Re: what's for dinner? by "Bob Pearson" 13) Re: Forget the cheese was Re: what's for dinner? by xtv16@dial.pipex.com 14) Re: Forget the cheese was Re: what's for dinner? by xtv16@dial.pipex.com 15) News from Albatros by Dave Fleming 16) Wright Flyer kits wasRe: Re: Deperdussin by KarrArt@aol.com 17) Re: Forget the cheese was Re: what's for dinner? by KarrArt@aol.com 18) Re: LOTR Two Towers by KarrArt@aol.com 19) Re: what's for dinner? by KarrArt@aol.com 20) Re: LOTR Two Towers by MARK MILLER 21) Re: what's for dinner? by MARK MILLER 22) counting and which aircraft by Ken Schmitt 23) site update by MARK MILLER 24) Bob Wheeler update by "Michael Kendix" 25) Unsubbing by Karen Rychlewski 26) Re: counting and which aircraft by "John & Allison Cyganowski" 27) Re: Brent's Workbench by "Brent Theobald" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2002 22:21:02 +0000 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Deperdussin Message-ID: Mark! >I wonder why pre war AC hasn't recieved more attention >than it has, particularly with the anniversery coming >up. Yes, I also thoght about this many times. I guess that early aircraft are seen as too hard to build by the major model manufacturers, and besides that, they were usually rather skinny affairs, so little plastic is involved o their production, so their price will be much less than your latest version of a Stealth Bomber or anything like that. I guess that we will be saved by short production manufacturers like AJP or Choroszy >You would at least think that somebody would make a >new Wright flyer kit. >I hear the old Monogram kit is pretty good, but it's >1/40 scale. Nope, it's rather crude. Just the wings can be useful, and after lots of refinaments. Easier to do them from scratch. D. _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 3 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail&xAPID=42&PS=47575&PI=7324&DI=7474&SU= http://www.hotmail.msn.com/cgi-bin/getmsg&HL=1216hotmailtaglines_smartspamprotection_3mf ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2002 14:28:54 -0800 From: Ray To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: LOTR Two Towers Message-ID: <200212211428.54074.Ray_Boorman@telus.net> I just came back from seeing the Two Towers. I know there are a lot of LOTR fans on the list and after seeing the film, I would say its actually a good film. Obviously in three hours they had to simplify the story. The characters dont have the depth they do in the book. But I was thoroughly entertained. The Special effects are pretty good to, to the point that you dont realize that Gollum is a Computer Generated character or that most of the battle scenes are not as they seem. The normal Hollywood feelgood scenes that tend to ruin most good films were kept to a minimum and it was obvious that the director really wanted to keep as close to the story and meaning as he could. Only bad things were that they didnt have the Nazgul flying Taube's or Rumplers. Now of course I have to wait another year for the conclusion. Ray ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2002 16:53:46 -0600 From: "Matt Bittner" To: "wwi@wwi-models.org" Subject: Re: Forget the cheese was Re: what's for dinner? Message-ID: On Sat, 21 Dec 2002 17:09:48 -0500 (EST), Dave Fleming wrote: > > on topic content: now working on sketches for front cover of Datafile > > #100 > > Which is going to be????????? > > My bet is on the HP O/100, corny but...... Albatros....Allllllllbatros... ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2002 16:54:52 -0600 From: "Matt Bittner" To: "wwi@wwi-models.org" Subject: Re: what's for dinner? Message-ID: On Sat, 21 Dec 2002 17:15:53 -0500 (EST), Lee M. wrote: > Do not eat japapenos while reading any books. WW I or any other times > referenced on this site.. Jalapeno's are mild. Eat 'em raw! It's the Habenero's one has to watch out for... Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2002 22:56:21 +0000 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: LOTR Two Towers Message-ID: >Only bad things were that they didnt have the Nazgul flying Taube's or >Rumplers. Now of course I have to wait another year for the conclusion. Bummer! Maybe next year they will! BTW, i heard (here, I guess) that Peter jackson is a great WW1 aviation fan. Who knows... D. _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 3 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail&xAPID=42&PS=47575&PI=7324&DI=7474&SU= http://www.hotmail.msn.com/cgi-bin/getmsg&HL=1216hotmailtaglines_smartspamprotection_3mf ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2002 22:59:00 +0000 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Brent's webcam Message-ID: Hey Brento You are moving that black hose (the airbrush?) too close to the albatros. Are you trying to knock it out of the bench? When we will se your face on the webcam? Are you going to model in underwear online? How come there are no toads on the background? D. _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail&xAPID=42&PS=47575&PI=7324&DI=7474&SU= http://www.hotmail.msn.com/cgi-bin/getmsg&HL=1216hotmailtaglines_addphotos_3mf ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2002 23:08:40 +0000 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: translation help needed Message-ID: Checking the archives on this lazy afternoon I found: >Diego is honneymooning. We should postpone this untill he gets back... > > Put it all up here, prize for the most entertaining translation...... > > N Hey pedro and nigel.. Does this text to be translatedever made to the list messages? the Funniest Translation Ever was that made by Sandy Adam to define "planchette de Bord" D. _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 3 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus&xAPID=42&PS=47575&PI=7324&DI=7474&SU= http://www.hotmail.msn.com/cgi-bin/getmsg&HL=1216hotmailtaglines_eliminateviruses_3mf ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2002 15:47:40 -0800 (PST) From: MARK MILLER To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: what's for dinner? Message-ID: <20021221234740.27919.qmail@web80009.mail.yahoo.com> --- KarrArt@aol.com wrote: > on topic content: now working on sketches for front > cover of Datafile #100 Robert A datafile cover?! Excuse me if this is old news but I had no idea you were doing data file covers. That's a major league assignment in my book Congratulations!! Couldn't have picked a better guy :-) Mark ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2002 18:02:10 -0600 From: Ken Schmitt To: Subject: annals of history Message-ID: Hptm Titzlinger spake: > Diego asked: > > Diego: >>> Hey I've been wondering... Whih colour was Voss cowl?<< > "...and you can tell Hindenburg from me that he can....insert second disc > now." snip > Before the war, at the 1912 Stockholm Olympics, Vzfw Schtink. had been gold > medalist in the cross-country all terrain unicycling event. snip > But, like August Schtink, he met an untimely end. Of interest is that with his > dying breath he revealed the true colour of Werner Voss's Fokker FI cowling, > for too long a subject generating a great deal of heat amongst modelers > everywhere. Unfortunately he died of a Helium overdose so his last words were > heared only by his dog. Whatever became of that fine hound? If the Discovery Channel solves this one, I am making my popcorn and cheez whizz early. So good, they named it twice. ".........incredible.........." The Airoplane ".........unbeleivable......" Aviation Weak ".........impossible.........." The Erotic Review -an admirer ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2002 18:07:07 -0600 From: Ken Schmitt To: Subject: Re: not just a kit device- it's Iychthicide Message-ID: Paul recommends: > Cheese Whiz also makes great catfish bait--if you can keep it on the hook. So. What are you saying. Catfish hooks get particular? The Whiz is smarter than the Catfish? Or the rivers are mad for Cheese Food? -Cadd S. Fly ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2002 00:20:25 +0000 From: pfalzdvii@att.net To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Deperdussin Message-ID: <20021222002025.OLSC20003.mtiwmhc13.worldnet.att.net@mtiwebc09> Hasegawa is supposed to release a 1/16 ('museum scale') Wright flyer in '03 for the centennial, supposed to be 'multi media', like their earlier OT kits. FWIW Merrill > Michael > These are 1/48 scale kits. > The manufacturer is "Inpact" > They used the movie "Those Magnificent Men in Their > Flying Machines" as a marketing strategy. > These same kits were also sold by Pyro. > > Charles Duckworth has a couple of these kits in his > gallery: > http://www.wwi-models.org/Images/Duckworth/Allied/index.html > > I wonder why pre war AC hasn't recieved more attention > than it has, particularly with the anniversery coming > up. > You would at least think that somebody would make a > new Wright flyer kit. > I hear the old Monogram kit is pretty good, but it's > 1/40 scale. > Guess there just isn't enough interest :-( > Mark > > --- Michael Kendix wrote: > > >From: "Diego Fernetti" > > >Martin found: > > > >alone on the floor almost abandoned a pearl > > > >from the '60 the > > > >Deperdussin, Those Magnificent Flying Machines > > the INPACT. > > > > What is this exactly? A kit I assume. In what > > scale, manufacturer? > > > > Michael > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 3 months > > FREE*. > > > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail&xAPID=42&PS=47575&PI=7324&DI=7474&SU > = > > > > > http://www.hotmail.msn.com/cgi-bin/getmsg&HL=1216hotmailtaglines_advancedjmf_3mf > > > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2002 16:39:23 -0800 From: "Bob Pearson" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Forget the cheese was Re: what's for dinner? Message-ID: <104051757301@smtp-1.vancouver.ipapp.com> Don't think so. .. every milestone that ALBATROS Productions Ltd has done has featured an Albatros of some sort. Bob ---------- >From: Dave Fleming > > Which is going to be????????? > > My bet is on the HP O/100, corny but...... > > > Dave F > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2002 00:45:41 +0000 From: xtv16@dial.pipex.com To: Subject: Re: Forget the cheese was Re: what's for dinner? Message-ID: <1040517941.3e050b351e63e@netmail.pipex.net> Quoting Bob Pearson : > Don't think so. .. every milestone that ALBATROS Productions Ltd has > done > has featured an Albatros of some sort. > Yeah, but what one haven't they covered that's got enough to do it in DF format? Redo of the DIII or DV? (Didn't they once threaten to do a new DII or DI DF?) How's about Zeppelin? That'd be a Whole Lotta Datafile? Dave Fleming ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2002 00:50:10 +0000 From: xtv16@dial.pipex.com To: Subject: Re: Forget the cheese was Re: what's for dinner? Message-ID: <1040518210.3e050c42f1b0d@netmail.pipex.net> Quoting xtv16@dial.pipex.com: > format? > > Redo of the DIII or DV? (Didn't they once threaten to do a new DII or DI > DF?) > And indeed, from their site (www.windsockdatafilespecials.com) "Pete Grosz who also contributes our 100th title, a special DATAFILE on the Albatros D.I and D.II" To go with the previous two one these aircraft....and still no Camel special, Avro 504A-J, Curtis Jenny etc etc Dave ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2002 00:57:01 +0000 From: Dave Fleming To: Subject: News from Albatros Message-ID: <1040518621.3e050ddd999d3@netmail.pipex.net> To go with the 2003 DF program (A Br 14 Special for you Matt, and an Albatros DIII special just for a change), I notice that Albatros are now publishing Plastic Kit Constructor http://www.windsockdatafilespecials.com/PKC.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2002 20:22:14 EST From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Wright Flyer kits wasRe: Re: Deperdussin Message-ID: <79.529d063.2b366dc6@aol.com> --part1_79.529d063.2b366dc6_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/21/2002 4:21:24 PM Pacific Standard Time, pfalzdvii@att.net writes: > Hasegawa is supposed to release a 1/16 ('museum scale') Wright flyer in '03 > for > the centennial, supposed to be 'multi media', like their earlier OT kits. > FWIW > Merrill>> That Hasagawa kit comes out every few years. I've seen a couple of build-ups. It's not too bad although it's up to the builder to induce the characteristic anhedral (droopy wing). The old 1/40 Monogram is kind of simplified with details made for clumsy fingers, but the bones and muscles are there for a great model.......and it's wings are molded in light cream colored translucent plastic and the ribs space out to match the ribs on a 1/48 MS parasol- SO- one of these days I'm going to build the Eduard kit and extract the wing from the Monogram Wright. RK --part1_79.529d063.2b366dc6_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/21/2002 4:21:24 PM Pacific Standard Time, pfalzdvii@att.net writes:


Hasegawa is supposed to release a 1/16 ('museum scale') Wright flyer in '03 for
the centennial, supposed to be 'multi media', like their earlier OT kits.
FWIW
Merrill>>



That Hasagawa kit comes out every few years. I've seen a couple of build-ups. It's not too bad although it's up to the builder to induce the characteristic anhedral (droopy wing).
The old 1/40 Monogram is kind of simplified with details made for clumsy fingers, but the bones and muscles are there for a great model.......and it's wings are molded in light cream colored translucent plastic and the ribs space out to match the ribs on a 1/48 MS parasol- SO- one of these days I'm going to build the Eduard kit and extract the wing from the Monogram Wright.
RK



 --part1_79.529d063.2b366dc6_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2002 20:22:18 EST From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Forget the cheese was Re: what's for dinner? Message-ID: <49.285f280c.2b366dca@aol.com> --part1_49.285f280c.2b366dca_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/21/2002 2:56:50 PM Pacific Standard Time, tbittners@sprintmail.com writes: > > My bet is on the HP O/100, corny but...... > > Albatros....Allllllllbatros... > Give the man in the tri-color hat a Gummi Nieuport! yep. RK --part1_49.285f280c.2b366dca_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/21/2002 2:56:50 PM Pacific Standard Time, tbittners@sprintmail.com writes:


> My bet is on the HP O/100, corny but......

Albatros....Allllllllbatros...



Give the man in the tri-color hat a Gummi Nieuport! yep.
RK --part1_49.285f280c.2b366dca_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2002 20:22:17 EST From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: LOTR Two Towers Message-ID: <192.12c59072.2b366dc9@aol.com> --part1_192.12c59072.2b366dc9_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/21/2002 2:59:00 PM Pacific Standard Time, d_fernetti@hotmail.com writes: > Bummer! Maybe next year they will! > BTW, i heard (here, I guess) that Peter jackson is a great WW1 aviation > fan. > Who knows... > D.>> For an idea of how nuts he is about WW I aviation, head to: http://www.kiwiaircraftimages.com/pages/om01cam2.html It shows him looking at his Camel after it lost its cowl in airshow last year. RK --part1_192.12c59072.2b366dc9_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/21/2002 2:59:00 PM Pacific Standard Time, d_fernetti@hotmail.com writes:


Bummer! Maybe next year they will!
BTW, i heard (here, I guess) that Peter jackson is a great WW1 aviation fan.
Who knows...
D.>>



For an idea of how nuts he is about WW I aviation, head to:

http://www.kiwiaircraftimages.com/pages/om01cam2.html
It shows him looking at his Camel after it lost its cowl in airshow last year.
RK



 --part1_192.12c59072.2b366dc9_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2002 20:28:09 EST From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: what's for dinner? Message-ID: <176.13722270.2b366f29@aol.com> --part1_176.13722270.2b366f29_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/21/2002 3:50:54 PM Pacific Standard Time, mark_.m@sbcglobal.net writes: > Robert > A datafile cover?! > Excuse me if this is old news but I had no idea you > were doing data file covers. > Yep.I reckon RR liked the back covers I did for the SE5 and Camel Squadron specials, so he's been using me since! I finished one earlier this year for an upcoming special. I can't mention what that one is or I'd have to kill myself, then the rest of the List...one by one, in the most painful way possible. Maybe involving a fork, a still venemous rattlesnake head, and a shard from a busted flourescent light tube. But- yeah, I'm doing my first regular Datafile cover for #100, and as Legs said, it's an Albatros. That one's no great secret since it's listed in Windsock in the New for 2003 ad. And thanks for the good words! Now everyone run over and look at the last thing I finished- a very un-topic **-135: http://amtechmodels.com/index.cfm This'll show why I love doing work for Albatros Prods. RK --part1_176.13722270.2b366f29_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/21/2002 3:50:54 PM Pacific Standard Time, mark_.m@sbcglobal.net writes:


Robert
A datafile cover?!
Excuse me if this is old news but I had no idea you
were doing data file covers.


Yep.I reckon RR liked the back covers I did for the SE5 and Camel Squadron specials, so he's been using me since! I finished one earlier this year for an upcoming special. I can't mention what that one is or I'd have to kill myself, then the rest of the List...one by one, in the most painful way possible. Maybe involving a fork, a still venemous rattlesnake head, and a shard from a busted flourescent light tube.
But- yeah, I'm doing my first regular Datafile cover for #100, and as Legs said, it's an Albatros. That one's no great secret since it's listed in Windsock in the New for 2003 ad.
And thanks for the good words! Now everyone run over and look at the last thing I finished- a very un-topic **-135:
http://amtechmodels.com/index.cfm
This'll show why I love doing work for Albatros Prods.
RK

 --part1_176.13722270.2b366f29_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2002 18:14:41 -0800 (PST) From: MARK MILLER To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: LOTR Two Towers Message-ID: <20021222021441.22848.qmail@web80001.mail.yahoo.com> --- KarrArt@aol.com wrote: > For an idea of how nuts he is about WW I aviation, > head to:
>
> http://www.kiwiaircraftimages.com/pages/om01cam2.html
> It shows him looking at his Camel after it lost its > cowl in airshow last year.
> RK And that's Gene de Marco in the Photo explaining the cowling mishap to Mr. Jackson. Jeez - that guy realy gets around. He flies/ownes the Camel in the Rhinebeck airshow. Nice guy too. I met him at Rhinebeck this summer during an ASAA show. He liked my renderings so much that he talked the people at the giftshop into selling prints next year. Still need to work out the details - Would be pretty cool if it all pans out. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2002 18:21:14 -0800 (PST) From: MARK MILLER To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: what's for dinner? Message-ID: <20021222022114.98913.qmail@web80004.mail.yahoo.com> Now everyone run over > and look at the last thing I finished- a very > un-topic **-135:
> http://amtechmodels.com/index.cfm
> This'll show why I love doing work for Albatros > Robert Nice painting .... UGLY airplane. Must have been a challenge ;-) The lighting and overall atmosphere is particularly well done. Robert - your html is showing - can you switch to plain text? Mark ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2002 20:26:18 -0600 From: Ken Schmitt To: Subject: counting and which aircraft Message-ID: Here's something I found 'at the other site'. Thought some of us may be interested in this: MvR's mounts: According to Above The Lines: Victories 1 to 17 achieved in Albatros DIII 491/16 (painted all red by 27 December 1916) Victory number 18 in Albatros DIII 789/17 Victories 19 to 24 and 26 to 31 in Halbserstadt DII Victory number 25 in Albatros DIII Victories 32 to 49 and 51 and 52 in Albatros DIII 2253/17 Victory number 50 in Albatros DIII 2252/17 Victory number 53 Albatros DV 789/17 Victories 54 to 57 in Albatros DV 1177/17 Victories 58 and 59  in Albatros DV 2059/17 Victories 60 and 61 in F1 102/17 Victories 62 and 63 in Albatros DV 4963/17 Victories 64 to 66 in Triplane 152/17 Victories 67 to 70, 72, 73, 75, 77 and 78 in Triplane 477/17 Victories 71, 74, 76 in Dr1 127/17 Victories 79 and 80 in Dr1 425/17 Anybody know more about what #477/17 looked like? It and Albatros D.III 2253/17 seem the most used mounts. There was some stuff about Mannock's SE 5a's the other day that I also found interesting, i.e. more than one aircraft and not in 'A' serial D276 at the time of his death ('Z' and something or other serial). Not stirring controversy so much as looking for comment, fact. tia Ken S ps: yes, some of us are sick to death of MvR, some of us are not. some of us are on the fence and looking for alternative aircraft to model. In any case, am a huge Mannock fan. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2002 18:26:41 -0800 (PST) From: MARK MILLER To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: site update Message-ID: <20021222022641.11030.qmail@web80008.mail.yahoo.com> Just added 6 new images to my albatros renderings page. illustrating three tropical DVas that served in Palestine. Note the twin radiators http://www.wwi-models.org/Images/Miller/render/Albatros/index.html Reference came primarily from photos at the Australian War Memorial site. Some color choices could be debated ;-) Mark ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2002 02:38:46 +0000 From: "Michael Kendix" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Bob Wheeler update Message-ID: Well, they let Bob out of the rehabilitation center and he's back home. Just spoke with him on the phone and although he's tired, he's doing better. All his model stuff's packed ready for his moving house to North Carolina, so he won't be doing any of that for a while. He was chipper enough to ask me what I was building so his thoughts are definitely turning in a favorable direction. He doesn't know whether he'll make it to another NOVA meeting before he moves: obviously, I told him not to come unless he really feels better. So, good news - still a ways to go but he's improving steadily. Michael _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 3 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus&xAPID=42&PS=47575&PI=7324&DI=7474&SU= http://www.hotmail.msn.com/cgi-bin/getmsg&HL=1216hotmailtaglines_eliminateviruses_3mf ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2002 21:59:21 -0500 From: Karen Rychlewski To: aa-to post Subject: Unsubbing Message-ID: <3E052A89.68AB04AF@earthlink.net> Holiday greetings and best wishes to all-- I will be unsubbing in a few hours, due to the necessity of a quick trip to Chicago for the funeral of my uncle. A not unexpected event, but sad nonetheless, especially at this time of year. I'll be back sometime in the afternoon on Christmas Day. Karen ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2002 22:02:55 -0500 From: "John & Allison Cyganowski" To: Subject: Re: counting and which aircraft Message-ID: <004c01c2a966$a086eab0$d73f5b0c@millipore.com> I would be careful of the "list" in Above the Lines. 491/17 was a D.II not a D.III. I doubt MvR painted that ship red. He flew 491/71 with Jasta 2 and I don't think he had that much latitude until he got his own Jasta (11) in January 1917. Besides, I have not seen any photo of a D.II that appears to be red. According to Ferko, D.III 789/17 was not received by Jasta 11 until May 1917, so I doubt he scored victory 18 (Jan. 1917) in this ship.789/17 is ofter mentioned as the "Petit Rouge". It may have been red, but I think it is pretty clear he had other D.IIIs that were red. We just don't know what these were and I don't think we will ever know. I think we would all like to know the serial of the Halberstadt and what it looked like. There is a tantalizing clue on pg 14 of the Ferko book "Richthofen", but again this is a close as we are likely to get. 477/17 has never been positively ID'd. However there is a couple of photos of a Jasta 11 triplane line-up. These appear to have been taken on the same day. One of the photos shows a triplane apart from the rest. It looks like it has a red cowl, upper wing, struts and wheel covers and latin crosses. The best guess one can make is that this could be 477/17. See page 65 in the Ferko book or page 111 in Kilduff's "The Illustrated Red Baron". John Cyg.(Still interested in MvR, but not fixated) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2002 02:59:09 +0000 From: "Brent Theobald" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Brent's Workbench Message-ID: Hey Matt, I am doin' the best I can here. What do you want from a $30 camera? I'm back online and sanding away at the Roden D.VII. Has anyone come up with a way to make these lower wings fit nice? It keeps escaping me! http://www.rollmodels.net/tempbrent/cam/webcam.html Later! Brent >From: "Matt Bittner" >Reply-To: wwi@wwi-models.org >To: Multiple recipients of list >Subject: [WWI] Re: Brent's Workbench >Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2002 12:44:25 -0500 (EST) > >Definitely a geek, that's for sure. > >Hey, Brent, ever hear of a new invention called "focus"? ;-) > > >Matt > >On Sat, 21 Dec 2002 11:19:53 -0500 (EST), Brent Theobald wrote: > > > Howdy Gang! > > > > I am going to push the internet modeling experience envelope. Yup! I've > > installed a webcam on my workbench. That's right, you can now watch >paint > > dry! > > > > I will be building the new ot P-$1 from Trumpeter online later in the >week. > > But for now I am going to stick with my WWI projects. > > > > Currently on deck: Dilthey's D.V and Udet's D.VII. > > > > Here's the link: > > > > http://www.rollmodels.net/tempbrent/cam/webcam.html > > > > Also, I'll turn on Yahoo Messenger. 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