WWI Digest 4840 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) =?GB2312?B?1+7Qws+1zbPGxr3i1vfBptDQzqq1xNakyK+31s72yO28/qOh?= by stokcer1man@yahoo.com 2) Re: Br14B2 squads? by "Pedro N. Soares" 3) Model gallery update by SSH 4) Re: Model gallery update by Allan Wright 5) Re: Br14B2 squads? by "Bob Pearson" 6) Re: Praise by KarrArt@aol.com 7) Re: Do you know the new email of S. Joe Demarco Aviation Artist? by KarrArt@aol.com 8) RE: Nieuport 17 wheel question. by "Ross & Wendy Moorhouse" 9) Re: Another dumb Nieuport 17 question. by "Ross & Wendy Moorhouse" 10) RE: Nieuport 17 wheel question. by "Paul Schwartzkopf" 11) RE: Nieuport 17 wheel question. by "Ross & Wendy Moorhouse" 12) Re: Br14B2 squads? by "Pedro Soares" 13) Ooooopppppps by "Pedro Soares" 14) Re: Ooooopppppps by "Marcio Antonio Campos" 15) Re: hobbyshop.cz by Morg17ms@aol.com 16) Re: Lloyd CV by Morg17ms@aol.com 17) RE: Lloyd CV by "Ross & Wendy Moorhouse" 18) Re: hobbyshop.cz by "Pedro Soares" 19) Two questions by "Marcio Antonio Campos" 20) Re: Cowl questions/part2 by "Mike Muth" 21) Re: Cowl questions by "Marcio Antonio Campos" 22) Re: Br14B2 squads? by "Bob Pearson" 23) Re: Two questions by pfalzdvii@att.net 24) Re: Flying Machine Press - DH Aircraft Vol 1 by pfalzdvii@att.net 25) Re: Two questions by "David C. Fletcher" 26) Re: Cowl questions by "Fr. Craig Gavin" 27) French seat belts by ot811 28) Re: Cowl questions by "Fr. Craig Gavin" 29) Re: Two questions by "Thomas Solinski" 30) Re: Cowl questions/part2 by VMA324Vagabonds@aol.com 31) DWC update by "Bob Pearson" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 02:36:28 +0800 From: stokcer1man@yahoo.com To: wwi@mustang.sr.unh.edu Subject: =?GB2312?B?1+7Qws+1zbPGxr3i1vfBptDQzqq1xNakyK+31s72yO28/qOh?= Message-ID: <200212121836.NAA25865@mustang.sr.unh.edu> ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 18:39:52 -0000 From: "Pedro N. Soares" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Br14B2 squads? Message-ID: <12AEB3D996DDD311B98A00508B6D75B3026D8981@TUFAO> Clemente The List software does not accept Attachements. I'd sugest you send the pictures of your models to either Al, Matt or Mark who are the good keepers of the key of the Gallery. Um abraco Pedro > -----Original Message----- > From: Clemente Balladares [mailto:cballadares@marn.gov.ve] > Sent: quinta-feira, 12 de Dezembro de 2002 18:36 > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: [WWI] Re: Br14B2 squads? > > > How to sen fotos in .jpg? > By this same system? or direct to > your Email? > > Clem > > -----Mensaje original----- > De: Pedro N. Soares [mailto:pnsoares@naer.pt] > Enviado el: Jueves, 12 de Diciembre de 2002 02:26 p.m. > Para: Multiple recipients of list > Asunto: [WWI] Re: Br14B2 squads? > > > > Do yo > > want to see my Spad VII or something german? > > Both! > > Um abraco > > Pedro > > Clemente, I think there's a top view of a camouflaged Breguet > 14 on the FMP > book. I'll check tonight. > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 14:12:52 -0500 From: SSH To: wwi-list Subject: Model gallery update Message-ID: <20021212190901.2445546419E@mail.mailsnare.net> Pedro Soares sends in an progress update to his Nieuport 17 build. See http://www.wwi-models.org/Images/Soares/Nieuport/index.html regards Sanjeev ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 14:27:21 -0500 (EST) From: Allan Wright To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Model gallery update Message-ID: <200212121927.OAA24407@mustang.sr.unh.edu> And everyone can welcome Sanjeev to our editorial staff. He's on temporary duty while he works out the details on some scripts that will eventually automate the model posting process for us. Thanks Sanjeev! Allan > > Pedro Soares sends in an progress update to his Nieuport 17 build. > See > http://www.wwi-models.org/Images/Soares/Nieuport/index.html > regards > Sanjeev > > > =============================================================================== Allan Wright Jr. | Without love life's just a long fight - Southside University of New Hampshire +-------------------------------------------------- Research Computing Center | WWI Modeling mailing list: wwi@wwi-models.org Internet: aew@unh.edu | WWI Modeling WWW Page: http://www.wwi-models.org =============================================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 11:07:39 -0800 From: "Bob Pearson" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Br14B2 squads? Message-ID: <103972188702@smtp-2.vancouver.ipapp.com> Matt sayeth. . > Hey, Bob Pearson - maybe it's time we re-visit those profiles? ;-) Howcome? I did lots of them a couple months ago. But if anyone knows of photos of French BR14s that aren't in the journals or FMP book I would love to see them .. I know what all the unit insignias were, but I would like photographic evidence before I commit to applying them. Bob ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 15:12:40 EST From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Praise Message-ID: <142.4f77ae2.2b2a47b8@aol.com> --part1_142.4f77ae2.2b2a47b8_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/12/2002 8:25:57 AM Pacific Standard Time, tbittners@sprintmail.com writes: > Again, thanks all. It was something that I felt strongly about, and am > glad that I was given the *local* support I received. > > > Matt Bittner > ya did good. RK --part1_142.4f77ae2.2b2a47b8_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/12/2002 8:25:57 AM Pacific Standard Time, tbittners@sprintmail.com writes:


Again, thanks all.  It was something that I felt strongly about, and am
glad that I was given the *local* support I received.


Matt Bittner



ya did good.
RK --part1_142.4f77ae2.2b2a47b8_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 16:02:04 EST From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Do you know the new email of S. Joe Demarco Aviation Artist? Message-ID: <127.1cdd3443.2b2a534c@aol.com> --part1_127.1cdd3443.2b2a534c_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit < seen his work, but I can't pull any of it into my mind.>> Yes! It hit me- An ancient Air Classics ran a portfolio of his WW I fighter plane drawings in an issue from the late 60's. I still don't know how to contact him....but at least my brain summoned forth his work. RK --part1_127.1cdd3443.2b2a534c_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit <<The name S.J Demarco is driving me nuts. I know I know it, and I know I've
> seen his work, but I can't pull any of it into my mind.>>

Yes! It hit me- An ancient Air Classics ran a portfolio of his WW I fighter plane drawings in an issue from the late 60's. I still don't know how to contact him....but at least my brain summoned forth his work.
RK

 --part1_127.1cdd3443.2b2a534c_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 08:04:44 +1100 From: "Ross & Wendy Moorhouse" To: Subject: RE: Nieuport 17 wheel question. Message-ID: <001501c2a222$1bf08310$f5482dcb@future> Thanks Paul, That's what I thought I would have to do. But the tyres look a bit too wide? Ross ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 08:07:40 +1100 From: "Ross & Wendy Moorhouse" To: Subject: Re: Another dumb Nieuport 17 question. Message-ID: <001601c2a222$84923f80$f5482dcb@future> Mark, Thanks for this info. I was wondering about the wooden panels at the front as the Eduard instructions that I looked at for some painting reference said to paint the insides in a wood colour. Yet all the stuff that has been sent to me is shows the frame work only. Which is great. Ross ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 15:19:41 -0600 From: "Paul Schwartzkopf" To: Subject: RE: Nieuport 17 wheel question. Message-ID: Ross, I haven't noticed that the width is too detracting, as were the laces. These are the same wheels as supplied with their earlier Camel kit. I noticed that the new SPAD has totally different wheels, that look much nicer. The other alternative I thought of was to use some Tom's Modelworks PE "French" spokes and scratch a pair of spoked wheels--using artistic license, I would just say that the covers were "off at the cleaners". But as I'm fairly cured of my AMS now, I'm using the kit wheels. Paul -----Original Message----- From: wwi@wwi-models.org [mailto:wwi@wwi-models.org]On Behalf Of Ross & Wendy Moorhouse Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2002 3:06 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [WWI] RE: Nieuport 17 wheel question. Thanks Paul, That's what I thought I would have to do. But the tyres look a bit too wide? Ross ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 08:54:06 +1100 From: "Ross & Wendy Moorhouse" To: Subject: RE: Nieuport 17 wheel question. Message-ID: <000601c2a228$fdeeea80$f5482dcb@future> I think I will take the lacing off and make the covers smooth. I am not doing spoked wheels that's for sure ;-) Cheers Ross -----Original Message----- From: wwi@wwi-models.org [mailto:wwi@wwi-models.org] On Behalf Of Paul Schwartzkopf Sent: Friday, 13 December 2002 8:20 AM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [WWI] RE: Nieuport 17 wheel question. Ross, I haven't noticed that the width is too detracting, as were the laces. These are the same wheels as supplied with their earlier Camel kit. I noticed that the new SPAD has totally different wheels, that look much nicer. The other alternative I thought of was to use some Tom's Modelworks PE "French" spokes and scratch a pair of spoked wheels--using artistic license, I would just say that the covers were "off at the cleaners". But as I'm fairly cured of my AMS now, I'm using the kit wheels. Paul -----Original Message----- From: wwi@wwi-models.org [mailto:wwi@wwi-models.org]On Behalf Of Ross & Wendy Moorhouse Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2002 3:06 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [WWI] RE: Nieuport 17 wheel question. Thanks Paul, That's what I thought I would have to do. But the tyres look a bit too wide? Ross ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 23:40:02 -0000 From: "Pedro Soares" To: Subject: Re: Br14B2 squads? Message-ID: <002401c2a237$cfc39e80$6dfb16d5@netcabo.pt> Clemente, Vou escrever em Português, porque penso que conseguirás compreender. Podes escrever em Castelhano que eu consigo perceber. O livro da FMP tem 4 tipos de padrão de camuflagem para o Breguet 14B2: um para aviões fabricados pela Farman, outro para aviões fabricados pela Breguet e dois para aviões fabricados pela Michelin. Sabes qual era o fabricante do avião de que queres fazer a maqueta? Se quiseres mando-te scans dos 4 tipos de camuflagem. Um abraço Pedro ----- Original Message ----- From: Clemente Balladares To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2002 6:20 PM Subject: [WWI] Re: Br14B2 squads? > Lance > > Thanks for your repply. Bob Pearson help me with the selection > of the plane (the winged cobra). I´m almost ready to close > the fuselage and start painting, but have no idea of the camo > pattern, fortunately the colours are clarified. I wrote to Steve > Perry too. > > If not, I will wait until the decals of Bob arrive to my hands. > Perhaps in january. I am working sloooowwwly...no hurry :) > Meanwhile I am sending several fotos of my planes to Matt > Bittner at ww1 gallery by recommensation of Grzegorz. Do yo > want to see my Spad VII or something german? > > Cheers > > Clem > > -----Mensaje original----- > De: Lance Krieg [mailto:lance.krieg@amerus.com] > Enviado el: Jueves, 12 de Diciembre de 2002 01:44 p.m. > Para: Multiple recipients of list > Asunto: [WWI] Re: Br14B2 squads? > > > Clemente is still seeking information on Br 107 and needs the camouflage > pattern for the Breguet 14B2, right? > > I'll look in my references tonight, but someone must have a Breguet > pattern that they can post or send him, do they not? > > Lance ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 23:41:18 -0000 From: "Pedro Soares" To: Subject: Ooooopppppps Message-ID: <002e01c2a237$fc519060$6dfb16d5@netcabo.pt> Sory guys, last message was meant for Clemente only. Sticky finger again ...... Pedro ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 21:45:22 -0200 From: "Marcio Antonio Campos" To: Subject: Re: Ooooopppppps Message-ID: <002a01c2a238$8dfe0b60$2565e2c8@computador> > Sory guys, last message was meant for Clemente only. Well, I understood it pretty clear... All the best from Brazil Marcio ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 18:53:18 EST From: Morg17ms@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: hobbyshop.cz Message-ID: <3d.28f66f34.2b2a7b6e@aol.com> --part1_3d.28f66f34.2b2a7b6e_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ordered a couple of kits from them a month ago - transaction went well and stuff arrived here in Canada 11 days after I sent in my VISA info. Did have some initial trouble getting their site to accept the VISA, so I just e-mailed it to him in a couple of separate mails. Tom Morgan --part1_3d.28f66f34.2b2a7b6e_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ordered a couple of kits from them a month ago - transaction went well and stuff arrived here in Canada 11 days after I sent in my VISA info.  Did have some initial trouble getting their site to accept the VISA, so I just e-mailed it to him in a couple of separate  mails.

Tom Morgan --part1_3d.28f66f34.2b2a7b6e_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 18:56:00 EST From: Morg17ms@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Lloyd CV Message-ID: <68.2a0b13b5.2b2a7c10@aol.com> --part1_68.2a0b13b5.2b2a7c10_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Windsock International, Vol. 6, No. 1 has 11 pages on the C.V including GA's. Tom Morgan --part1_68.2a0b13b5.2b2a7c10_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Windsock International, Vol. 6, No. 1 has 11 pages on the C.V including GA's.

Tom Morgan --part1_68.2a0b13b5.2b2a7c10_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 11:00:47 +1100 From: "Ross & Wendy Moorhouse" To: Subject: RE: Lloyd CV Message-ID: <002f01c2a23a$b3dddde0$f5482dcb@future> Is your e-mail account capped for the size of e-mails it can receive? I ask as I can send you some stuff but zipped up its 3mbs. Ross Moorhouse Matrix Games Director of Game Development. www.matrixgames.com -----Original Message----- From: wwi@wwi-models.org [mailto:wwi@wwi-models.org] On Behalf Of Harris, Mack Sent: Friday, 13 December 2002 3:17 AM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [WWI] Lloyd CV Just made my first order to NKR for the Lloyd CV. I know there's no datafile on this one, any good ideas for other reference sources? thanks Mack ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 00:11:58 -0000 From: "Pedro Soares" To: Subject: Re: hobbyshop.cz Message-ID: <004e01c2a23c$42337040$6dfb16d5@netcabo.pt> Another perfectly satisfied customer. Lubos provided what I asked for in perfect conditions with a pretty fast service. Maybe he is having e-mail troubles. HEY LUBOS, ARE YOU THERE?????? Pedro ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 22:15:46 -0200 From: "Marcio Antonio Campos" To: Subject: Two questions Message-ID: <005201c2a23c$ce471e60$2565e2c8@computador> Folks, I finished reading Kilduff's "Beyond the Legend of the Red Baron" (great book, you were right, Grzes!) today and have a question for you. In my website, I like to put some good info on the pilot and aircraft that I built, so people will not only see the model but also learn something about the WWI aces and aircraft. And, if I understood correctly from the book, MvR got only two victories (79 and 80) with 425/17, is that right? I'd like to put this on the website, so if you can confirm that for me, I'd be grateful. Other question, this time about the Alois Heldmann's Pfalz D.III 1395/17 I'm building. Well, I'm using Bob's profile because the kit instructions about painting are wrong. Does anyone know the color of the axis, or whatever we call that thing between the wheels? :-) TiA Marcio ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 19:27:41 -0500 From: "Mike Muth" To: Subject: Re: Cowl questions/part2 Message-ID: <00e201c2a23e$73840860$8647bacc@ptdprolog.net> Jon wrote a mechanical pencil type eraser that= > =20 > is a perfect size for our use. All one has to do is sand down the eraser tip= > =20 > to the size point you would want with some very fine sandpaper while running= > =20 > it in the tool.=A0 Now you have a very nice tool to use on some Buffing=20 I was wondering where I had read about this technique. I am close to getting ready to do this on an E-III I am working on. How do you get the eraser point small enough? Mike Muth ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 22:31:26 -0200 From: "Marcio Antonio Campos" To: Subject: Re: Cowl questions Message-ID: <006a01c2a23e$fa2388a0$2565e2c8@computador> From: "MARK MILLER" > I was looking at the Eindecker cowl (...) Hehe, when I looked at the e-mail subject I thought of another cowl... All the best from Brazil Marcio ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 16:40:59 -0800 From: "Bob Pearson" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Br14B2 squads? Message-ID: <103974011101@smtp-2.vancouver.ipapp.com> Has anyone sent Clemente the Br14 scans yet? if not I shall do so later tonight. Bob PS Clemente, the decals were sent to your brother today ---------- >From: "Clemente Balladares" > Lance > > Thanks for your reply. Bob Pearson help me with the selection > of the plane (the winged cobra). I´m almost ready to close > the fuselage and start painting, but have no idea of the camo > pattern, fortunately the colours are clarified. I wrote to Steve > Perry too. > > If not, I will wait until the decals of Bob arrive to my hands. > Perhaps in january. I am working sloooowwwly...no hurry :) > Meanwhile I am sending several fotos of my planes to Matt > Bittner at ww1 gallery by recommensation of Grzegorz. Do yo > want to see my Spad VII or something german? > > Cheers > > Clem ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 01:58:58 +0000 From: pfalzdvii@att.net To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Two questions Message-ID: <20021213015859.RPND20003.mtiwmhc13.worldnet.att.net@mtiwebc09> >From the picture on the bottom of page 6 of the DIII Datafile, it appears to be the same color as the underside. HTH Merrill > Folks, > > I finished reading Kilduff's "Beyond the Legend of the Red Baron" (great > book, you were right, Grzes!) today and have a question for you. In my > website, I like to put some good info on the pilot and aircraft that I > built, so people will not only see the model but also learn something about > the WWI aces and aircraft. And, if I understood correctly from the book, MvR > got only two victories (79 and 80) with 425/17, is that right? I'd like to > put this on the website, so if you can confirm that for me, I'd be grateful. > > Other question, this time about the Alois Heldmann's Pfalz D.III 1395/17 I'm > building. Well, I'm using Bob's profile because the kit instructions about > painting are wrong. Does anyone know the color of the axis, or whatever we > call that thing between the wheels? :-) > > TiA > > Marcio > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 02:02:56 +0000 From: pfalzdvii@att.net To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Flying Machine Press - DH Aircraft Vol 1 Message-ID: <20021213020257.RGGO20575.mtiwmhc12.worldnet.att.net@mtiwebc09> According to the documents in the NASM DH-4 Book, the Liberty engine was only 12 pounds heavier than the RR Eagle VIII, that's not enough to account for anything. FWIW Merrill > As this thread moves on, two points from my original observations: > > 1. I was looking at British drawings, NOT an American DH4 with the > heavier Liberty engine; my observations were not based on American > planes at all. > > 2. This 19 inch discrepancy in the wings was based on measuring a > drawing of a British plane from rudder to wing root; the fuselages are > the same, only Stair's drawings place the wings further aft. > > I am still nonplussed by so large a difference, and that the newest > plans are, to my eye, gravely flawed. I am about half-convinced that I > missed something and am in error, and am hoping someone else will either > corroborate or correct my > observation. > > Lance ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 18:07:16 -0800 From: "David C. Fletcher" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Two questions Message-ID: <3DF940D4.8050807@mars.ark.com> Marcio Antonio Campos wrote: >Does anyone know the color of the axis, or whatever we > call that thing between the wheels? :-) I don't know the colour, but the word you are looking for is 'axle', pronounced 'aeksl'. Dave Fletcher ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 20:33:29 -0600 From: "Fr. Craig Gavin" To: Subject: Re: Cowl questions Message-ID: Any one ever notice the machine turning on the nose/cowl of the Spirit of St. Louis. In the Jimmy Stewart film about Lindberg there's a scene showing the construction of the plane at the Curtis Factory is San Diego, CA. I remember it showing a worker using a steel brush in an electric grinder applying the sworl pattern to the cowling which was then signed on the inside by all of the plant workers. great movie! - Craig + > From: "Steven Perry" > Reply-To: wwi@wwi-models.org > Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 06:35:34 -0500 (EST) > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: [WWI] Re: Cowl questions > > >> Thanks for the replies >> >> So it's an anti-corrosion thing. >> Odd, you would think putting a lot of scratches on a >> metal surface would actualy promote corrosion. >> But .. there it is. >> >> and so much for my glare reduction theory. >> I thought I was on to something ;-) >> Mark > > How were the cowls formed in the first place? A hand formed, un-turned cowl > would not look like a smooth, shiny piece of metal. I think the machine > turning "camoflaged" the telltale signs of hand working. I don't think this > was the sole reason, but I do think it was one of the reasons they did the > turning. > sp > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 21:35:22 -0500 From: ot811 To: wwi-list Subject: French seat belts Message-ID: <20021213023054.CA8E946408D@mail.mailsnare.net> What is the configuration of the seat belt in a Morane Saulnier L, or other early french aircraft? From what I can tell from a photo, there were 2 shoulder straps, and a large metal disc that is probably the main buckle. What about the leg straps - 1 or 2? The shoulder straps are anchored to the fuselage above and behind the seat back. Where were the leg straps anchored? I remember seeing a photo someplace, but cant remember where. Thanks in advance Sanjeev ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 20:43:22 -0600 From: "Fr. Craig Gavin" To: Subject: Re: Cowl questions Message-ID: Ooops - Not Curtis, but Ryan Aircraft. A mind is a terrible thing to waste. And mine is going fast. Sorry guys. - Craig + > From: "Fr. Craig Gavin" > Reply-To: wwi@wwi-models.org > Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 21:34:46 -0500 (EST) > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: [WWI] Re: Cowl questions > > Any one ever notice the machine turning on the nose/cowl of the Spirit of > St. Louis. In the Jimmy Stewart film about Lindberg there's a scene showing > the construction of the plane at the Curtis Factory is San Diego, CA. I > remember it showing a worker using a steel brush in an electric grinder > applying the sworl pattern to the cowling which was then signed on the > inside by all of the plant workers. great movie! - Craig + > >> From: "Steven Perry" >> Reply-To: wwi@wwi-models.org >> Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 06:35:34 -0500 (EST) >> To: Multiple recipients of list >> Subject: [WWI] Re: Cowl questions >> >> >>> Thanks for the replies >>> >>> So it's an anti-corrosion thing. >>> Odd, you would think putting a lot of scratches on a >>> metal surface would actualy promote corrosion. >>> But .. there it is. >>> >>> and so much for my glare reduction theory. >>> I thought I was on to something ;-) >>> Mark >> >> How were the cowls formed in the first place? A hand formed, un-turned cowl >> would not look like a smooth, shiny piece of metal. I think the machine >> turning "camoflaged" the telltale signs of hand working. I don't think this >> was the sole reason, but I do think it was one of the reasons they did the >> turning. >> sp >> > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 21:10:39 -0600 From: "Thomas Solinski" To: Subject: Re: Two questions Message-ID: <001c01c2a255$3a202420$9eb40c44@ok.cox.net> And, if I understood correctly from the book, MvR > > got only two victories (79 and 80) with 425/17, is that right? I'd like to > > put this on the website, so if you can confirm that for me, I'd be grateful. > > > >Under the guns of the Red Barron confirms this MrT ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 23:16:50 EST From: VMA324Vagabonds@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Cowl questions/part2 Message-ID: --part1_a.29d0fafb.2b2ab932_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/12/2002 7:28:24 PM Eastern Standard Time, mikemuth@ptd.net writes: > I was wondering where I had read about this technique. I am close to getting > ready to do this on an E-III I am working on. How do you get the eraser > point small enough? > Easy Mike, just put the eraser in the motor tool then rest the tool against something solid while placing the eraser tip against some very fine sandpaper at a slight angle and run the tool. It takes a small amount of the eraser off until you get the size point you are looking for. Once you have that size it last for quite awhile before needing a re-trim. I hope that helps, works great with white rubbing compound on real aluminum. Best regards, Jon --part1_a.29d0fafb.2b2ab932_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/12/2002 7:28:24 PM Eastern Standard Time, mikemuth@ptd.net writes:

I was wondering where I had read about this technique. I am close to getting
ready to do this on an E-III I am working on. How do you get the eraser
point small enough?

Easy Mike, just put the eraser in the motor tool then rest the tool against something solid while placing the eraser tip against some very fine sandpaper at a slight angle and run the tool. It takes a small amount of the eraser off until you get the size point you are looking for. Once you have that size it last for quite awhile before needing a re-trim. I hope that helps, works great with white rubbing compound on real aluminum.

                                           Best regards,
                                                    Jon --part1_a.29d0fafb.2b2ab932_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 01:43:52 -0800 From: "Bob Pearson" To: ww1 mailing list Subject: DWC update Message-ID: <103977263701@smtp-2.vancouver.ipapp.com> Hi all, Thanks to all for their suggestions on materials and such. After getting an advance on the DWC I'm in the midst of purchasing various tools to help with the construction. A friend of mine should be picking up a new table saw in the next town (100 miles down the road - they are on sale there right now) for me tomorrow so I can get to work on making my own stringers. I was going to use the one at another friend's house down the street, but the weather has been dreadful this week and it is hard to schedule a time when we can both get together. . besides, this way I can make myself some new cabinets and such once this #$%^&* thing is done. So far I have the fin completed (but not covered) and the rudder almost done. All the fuselage and float formers are cut to shape and just need notches for the stringers. Sometimes I am in a panic that I have no idea what I am doing, while others I am quite pleased with myself. Luckily I'm off from the 15th to the 2nd or so, and I plan to work on the DWC and some new profiles during that time. .. with the requisite party breaks of course. Bob no snow, but the same amount of precipitation in its natural form. .. only it's blowing sideways. . garbage cans are scattered all around the block. having said that. . it was shorts weather yesterday if you ignored the rain. ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 4840 **********************