WWI Digest 4837 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Decisions, Decisions by Karen Rychlewski 2) Re: An apology to the list and Mr Fletcher by "peter leonard" 3) Re: Decisions, Decisions by tbittners@sprintmail.com (Matt Bittner) 4) Re: Do you know the new email of S. Joe Demarco Aviation Artist? by KarrArt@aol.com 5) Cowl questions by MARK MILLER 6) Re: Br14B2 squads? by =?iso-8859-1?Q?Martin_H=E9ctor_AFFLITTO_ECHAG=DCE?= 7) Re: Cowl questions by MARK MILLER 8) Re: Br14B2 squads? by "Bob Pearson" 9) Re: Cowl questions by "Bob Pearson" 10) Karaya Order Arrived Today... by John_Impenna@hyperion.com 11) Re: Br14B2 squads? by tbittners@sprintmail.com (Matt Bittner) 12) Re: Cowling Questions by "Mark Shannon" 13) Re: Cowl questions by "John Sering" 14) Re: Flying Machine Press - DH Aircraft Vol 1 by "D. Charles" 15) re: Karaya Order Arrived Today... by "Grzegorz Mazurowski" 16) Re: Br14B2 squads? by pfalzdvii@att.net 17) Re: Cowl questions by pfalzdvii@att.net 18) Re: Gotha G.III on Hyperscale by pfalzdvii@att.net 19) re: Karaya Order Arrived Today... by John_Impenna@hyperion.com 20) Re: Celeb status by "Shane Weier" 21) Re: Flying Machine Press - DH Aircraft Vol 1 by "Shane Weier" 22) Re: Retraction/Frigginbird by "Mike Muth" 23) Re: Karaya Order Arrived Today... by "Shane Weier" 24) Re: DH.4 Liberty Planes by sm5192@verizon.net 25) Re: DH.4 Liberty Planes by "Steven Perry" 26) More IM Up by "Matt Bittner" 27) Re: Cowl questions by "Ray Boorman" 28) Re: Cowl questions by "peter leonard" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 13:04:45 -0500 From: Karen Rychlewski To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Decisions, Decisions Message-ID: <3DF77E3D.FD6106E7@earthlink.net> Matt Bittner wrote: > ... > Now for the next decision - markings! As I originally said, I have decals > for SAL 1 (the "snail") but I'm not 100% stuck on that one. I'll probably > vear from the aluminum doped Salmson - since the Strutter will hopefully > be finished by then - so five-color it is. Just a reminder: Bob Pearson did a sheet with markings for SAL 1, 32, 33, and 59; and Wings has a sheet with 10 US squadrons... Karen ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 13:06:21 -0500 From: "peter leonard" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: An apology to the list and Mr Fletcher Message-ID: <20021211180622.62954.qmail@mail.com> ----- Original Message ----- From: "David C. Fletcher" Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 15:14:41 -0500 (EST) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [WWI] Re: An apology to the list and Mr Fletcher Somehow, I got unsubscribed - You have a problem Dave. A couple of mails have bounced back to me from your address. Peter L -- __________________________________________________________ Sign-up for your own FREE Personalized E-mail at Mail.com http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup One click access to the Top Search Engines http://www.exactsearchbar.com/mailcom ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 11:54:21 -0600 (CST) From: tbittners@sprintmail.com (Matt Bittner) To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Decisions, Decisions Message-ID: <200212111754.gBBHsL070617@king1.kingsnake.com> > Just a reminder: Bob Pearson did a sheet with markings for SAL 1, 32, 33, and > 59; and Wings has a sheet with 10 US squadrons... Yup, got 'em. Still, the decision needs to be made. ;-) Matt ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 13:14:06 EST From: KarrArt@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Do you know the new email of S. Joe Demarco Aviation Artist? Message-ID: <7e.325a9acf.2b28da6e@aol.com> --part1_7e.325a9acf.2b28da6e_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/10/2002 8:31:18 AM Pacific Standard Time, lemen@x25.net writes: > I tried to find information about S. J. Demarco on the net but I failed. So > far............ > > > Lee Mensinger > New Braunfels, Tx>> > > The name S.J Demarco is driving me nuts. I know I know it, and I know I've seen his work, but I can't pull any of it into my mind. RK ....and thanks for the good words Lee! --part1_7e.325a9acf.2b28da6e_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/10/2002 8:31:18 AM Pacific Standard Time, lemen@x25.net writes:


I tried to find information about S. J. Demarco on the net but I failed.  So
far............


Lee Mensinger
New Braunfels, Tx>>




The name S.J Demarco is driving me nuts. I know I know it, and I know I've seen his work, but I can't pull any of it into my mind.
RK
....and thanks for the good words Lee!

--part1_7e.325a9acf.2b28da6e_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 10:21:23 -0800 (PST) From: MARK MILLER To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Cowl questions Message-ID: <20021211182123.78679.qmail@web80008.mail.yahoo.com> Hi I was looking at the Eindecker cowl and was wondering if somebody can tell me what is going on with that squiggle pattern. it looks to me almost like somebody took a rotary sander and randomly scuffed up areas. Resulting in a refelectance change. but on some repros it looks like fingerpainting what is right? What does it accomplish? in a related question Some Sopwith AC have a dimple pattern on the cowl. looks like they took a ball peen hammer and just kept whacking it. is this right? - do the "dimples go in or out? and again - what's the purpose - does it strengthen the cowl? TIA Mark ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 15:28:37 -0300 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Martin_H=E9ctor_AFFLITTO_ECHAG=DCE?= To: Subject: Re: Br14B2 squads? Message-ID: <007101c2a143$1fc6d3c0$4debe818@fibertel.com.ar> Welcom to the Wing Sudamericana fron The Lestees Grup. Martín Héctor Afflitto Echagüe Buenos Aires Argentina ----- Original Message ----- From: "Clemente Balladares" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2002 12:45 PM Subject: [WWI] Br14B2 squads? > Dear amigos > > I love ww1 planes. I build 1/72 scale models. > > Right now I started the construction of a Breguet > Br14B2. I plan to make the winged cobra from > the esquadrille Br107. > Does any one know something about places, dates, > missions, histories and crews of this plane and/or > the squadron?. > > Camo pattern is also apreciated :) > > Sincerely > > > Clemente Balladares Castillo > Caracas-Venezuela ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 10:31:52 -0800 (PST) From: MARK MILLER To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Cowl questions Message-ID: <20021211183152.18997.qmail@web80006.mail.yahoo.com> I was thinking.. Maybe changing the reflectance IS the whole point. I've only seen this type of surface treatment on natural metal cowls. So it might just be an attempt to break up the glare. just a thought Mark --- MARK MILLER wrote: > Hi > I was looking at the Eindecker cowl and was > wondering > if somebody can tell me what is going on with that > squiggle pattern. > > it looks to me almost like somebody took a rotary > sander and randomly scuffed up areas. > Resulting in a refelectance change. > but on some repros it looks like fingerpainting > > what is right? > What does it accomplish? > > in a related question > Some Sopwith AC have a dimple pattern on the cowl. > looks like they took a ball peen hammer and just > kept > whacking it. > is this right? - do the "dimples go in or out? > and again - what's the purpose - does it strengthen > the cowl? > TIA > Mark ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 10:48:31 -0800 From: "Bob Pearson" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Br14B2 squads? Message-ID: <103963269801@smtp-2.vancouver.ipapp.com> What book on French escadrilles? Bob ---------- >From: tbittners@sprintmail.com (Matt Bittner) >To: Multiple recipients of list >Subject: [WWI] Re: Br14B2 squads? >Date: Wed, Dec 11, 2002, 8:16 am > > >> Matt! He's building 1/72 French! ...and he needs help! > > Yea, I know. Unfortunately I'm away from my references. > > Now I also wish I had already picked up that new book on the French > Escadrilles...... > > > Matt > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 10:51:36 -0800 From: "Bob Pearson" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Cowl questions Message-ID: <103963270301@smtp-2.vancouver.ipapp.com> That's exactly it .. Fokker has random squiggles with a rotary tool, AFAIK Sopwith has them as a regular pattern keeping the tool in place, hence the 'dimpled' appearance Bob ---------- >From: MARK MILLER >To: Multiple recipients of list >Subject: [WWI] Cowl questions >Date: Wed, Dec 11, 2002, 10:23 am > > Hi > I was looking at the Eindecker cowl and was wondering > if somebody can tell me what is going on with that > squiggle pattern. > > it looks to me almost like somebody took a rotary > sander and randomly scuffed up areas. > Resulting in a refelectance change. > but on some repros it looks like fingerpainting > > what is right? > What does it accomplish? > > in a related question > Some Sopwith AC have a dimple pattern on the cowl. > looks like they took a ball peen hammer and just kept > whacking it. > is this right? - do the "dimples go in or out? > and again - what's the purpose - does it strengthen > the cowl? > TIA > Mark ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 13:51:39 -0500 From: John_Impenna@hyperion.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Karaya Order Arrived Today... Message-ID: Hi All, Some goodies arrived today from Karaya...The USAS/RFC version of the Special Hobby Spad VII and the Choroszy 1/72 Aviatik Berg D.I!!!! As far as the Spad, seems exactly the same as the previous release, but for the new resion cowl and a beautiful decal sheet for 1 USAS and 1 RFC version and 1 SPA 158 plane flown by Vilem Stanovsky. Don't know who he is...Perhaps other listees can enlighten...USAS version are Chas. Biddle 103rd Aero Squadron and the RFC version is 23 Squadron RFC La Lovie, France 1917. This kit is worth buying just for the decals!!! Really well done...I think I'm going to build both of mine at once...This "decisions, decisions" thread has got me thinking about building multiples..... The Choroszy Aviatik Berg D.I is (DROOL Alert!!!!) absolutely beautiful!!!! I don't know how Choroszy does it, but please don't stop....The lozenges look a little to bright, but that is probably because I like the Americal colors...The cockpit and surface detail is breathtaking. A must have if you are into Teeny-weeny scale Austro-Hungarian planes.... I have been ordering my Choroszy's from Karaya in Poland and they seem to have the lowest prices on these anywhere. Their service is terrific and their shipping rates are more than reasonable...I have yet to receive an order in more than 14 days!!! Their prices on Eastern European stuff is about the lowest as well. They take credit cards.....Usual disclaimer, no interest, relation etc, just a very satisfied customer. Regards, John ************************************************************************ If you received this e-mail in error please delete it and notify the sender as soon as possible. The contents of this e-mail may be confidential and the unauthorized use, copying, or dissemination of it and any attachments to it, is prohibited. Internet communications are not secure and Hyperion does not, therefore, accept legal responsibility for the contents of this message nor for any damage caused by viruses. The views expressed here do not necessarily represent those of Hyperion. For more information about Hyperion, please visit our Web site at www.hyperion.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 12:46:09 -0600 (CST) From: tbittners@sprintmail.com (Matt Bittner) To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Br14B2 squads? Message-ID: <200212111846.gBBIk9d74040@king1.kingsnake.com> > What book on French escadrilles? Sorry, I couldn't think of it off the top of my head, but it's actually the Grub Street book _FRENCH AIR SERVICE WAR CHRONOLOGY_. Matt ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 13:14:41 -0600 From: "Mark Shannon" To: Subject: Re: Cowling Questions Message-ID: The 'pattern' on natural metal cowlings is called 'machine turning'. I am told that there is a special brush or abrasive for the grinder, and it was applied randomly to provide a pattern of overlapping swirls. The reasons behind it may have more to do with taste and aesthetics than anything else. However, if you have ever tried to keep a bright stainless steel kitchen sink looking nice, you can understand that starting with something with a little patina eases the task. It also was a style of the times - the more expensive cars had hand finishing and turned metal for many areas (pre-electroplate chroming of every bit of bare metal that showed). The bright chromed/polished metal look came more in the 20's-30's with Art Deco. .Mark. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 13:20:34 -0600 From: "John Sering" To: Subject: Re: Cowl questions Message-ID: <006e01c2a14a$61a12dc0$dbc84cd8@default> Dimpling prevents the metal surface from buckling. Either that or the aircraft engine mechanic had a real lemon powerplant. Rotary brushing is a finishing process for bare metals; usually followed by a protective coating to prevent oxidation. Neither option would reduce reflectivity it tend to increase it. ----- Original Message ----- From: "MARK MILLER" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2002 12:23 PM Subject: [WWI] Cowl questions > Hi > I was looking at the Eindecker cowl and was wondering > if somebody can tell me what is going on with that > squiggle pattern. > > it looks to me almost like somebody took a rotary > sander and randomly scuffed up areas. > Resulting in a refelectance change. > but on some repros it looks like fingerpainting > > what is right? > What does it accomplish? > > in a related question > Some Sopwith AC have a dimple pattern on the cowl. > looks like they took a ball peen hammer and just kept > whacking it. > is this right? - do the "dimples go in or out? > and again - what's the purpose - does it strengthen > the cowl? > TIA > Mark > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 06:42:39 +1000 From: "D. Charles" To: Subject: Re: Flying Machine Press - DH Aircraft Vol 1 Message-ID: <005e01c2a155$d96a4e30$9e108aca@charles> > To maintain the relationship of centre of gravity to centre of lift they'd > either have to move the mainplanes forward or lengthen the tail of the > liberty engine machine - and IIRC I have read about at least one of these > being done in one of the references How about shortening the engine mounts, which may give the appearance of the mainplanes being moved foward? David ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 21:59:11 +0100 From: "Grzegorz Mazurowski" To: Subject: re: Karaya Order Arrived Today... Message-ID: <005d01c2a158$2855c9a0$0200a8c0@grzesiek> John! > The Choroszy Aviatik Berg D.I is (DROOL Alert!!!!) absolutely beautiful!!!! > I don't know how Choroszy does it, but please don't stop....The lozenges > look a little to bright, but that is probably because I like the Americal > colors...The cockpit and surface detail is breathtaking. A must have if you > are into Teeny-weeny scale Austro-Hungarian planes.... Welcome to the Choroszy fan-club! ;-) Which Berg exactly you have? That decals for lozenges (Tarnstoff) are really too bright, especially blue. I don't have the kit, but I've got a decal sheet, directly from Choroszy. Unfotunately, Tomasz Choroszy had an old and worn copy of the O'Connor's AH Aces where that scheme looks very pink. He told me in some unquotable words who in his opinion would like to fly pink plane, and that he decided to make it different. I'll use Americal decals... How Choroszy does his kits? He tooks Jacek Sznajder's masters, and puts into silicone, and then in resin ;-) And Jacek Sznajder, retired NCO, a real artist, makes the masters with knife in polystyrene. Some other guy makes wings. I've seen Jacek at work, some years ago. I've also seen Choroszy workshop, and all the polystyrene masters, in November. BTW, you can order the kits from the Choroszy directly, he accepts cards now. But maybe Karaya is faster. Cheers! G. --------------r-e-k-l-a-m-a----------------- Masz dosc placenia prowizji bankowi ? mBank - zaloz konto http://epieniadze.onet.pl/mbank ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 21:26:40 +0000 From: pfalzdvii@att.net To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Br14B2 squads? Message-ID: <20021211212641.BYNL20575.mtiwmhc12.worldnet.att.net@mtiwebc21> Welcome to the list, Clemente. There are some very crazy people around here, so don't say no one warned you! Merrill > Dear amigos > > I love ww1 planes. I build 1/72 scale models. > > Right now I started the construction of a Breguet > Br14B2. I plan to make the winged cobra from > the esquadrille Br107. > Does any one know something about places, dates, > missions, histories and crews of this plane and/or > the squadron?. > > Camo pattern is also apreciated :) > > Sincerely > > > Clemente Balladares Castillo > Caracas-Venezuela ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 21:30:57 +0000 From: pfalzdvii@att.net To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Cowl questions Message-ID: <20021211213058.GIGH9286.mtiwmhc11.worldnet.att.net@mtiwebc21> Both are, I am reasonably confident, examples of "engine turning" a popular decorative metal finish used into the 1930's, although you see it most often on small parts, like inside watches and music boxes, but it was common on luxury car details. Merrill > I was thinking.. > Maybe changing the reflectance IS the whole point. > I've only seen this type of surface treatment on > natural metal cowls. > So it might just be an attempt to break up the glare. > > just a thought > Mark > > > --- MARK MILLER wrote: > > Hi > > I was looking at the Eindecker cowl and was > > wondering > > if somebody can tell me what is going on with that > > squiggle pattern. > > > > it looks to me almost like somebody took a rotary > > sander and randomly scuffed up areas. > > Resulting in a refelectance change. > > but on some repros it looks like fingerpainting > > > > what is right? > > What does it accomplish? > > > > in a related question > > Some Sopwith AC have a dimple pattern on the cowl. > > looks like they took a ball peen hammer and just > > kept > > whacking it. > > is this right? - do the "dimples go in or out? > > and again - what's the purpose - does it strengthen > > the cowl? > > TIA > > Mark > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 21:35:26 +0000 From: pfalzdvii@att.net To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Gotha G.III on Hyperscale Message-ID: <20021211213527.CGGG20575.mtiwmhc12.worldnet.att.net@mtiwebc21> Rob, no trouble with either, they looked great to me! Merrill > Thanks to all for the kinds words on the Gotha! > > I have to work on producing better quality pics though :-( > > Rob B > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ross & Wendy Moorhouse" > To: "Multiple recipients of list" > Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2002 8:04 PM > Subject: [WWI] Gotha G.III on Hyperscale by Rob Baumgartner > > > > http://www.features02.kitparade.com/gothagiiirb_1.htm > > > > Stunning.. > > > > Ross Moorhouse > > Matrix Games Director of Game Development. > > www.matrixgames.com > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 16:43:14 -0500 From: John_Impenna@hyperion.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: re: Karaya Order Arrived Today... Message-ID: Hi Gregorz, I ordered the Series 338 version. Karaya is less expensive than ordering direct from Choroszy, which is why I order from Karaya....I agree on the tarnstoff camo. I like Amercal's colors...Now, if I can just figure out how to stop ruining decalling jobs, I might have one or two to add to a site gallery!!!! Regards, John ************************************************************************ If you received this e-mail in error please delete it and notify the sender as soon as possible. The contents of this e-mail may be confidential and the unauthorized use, copying, or dissemination of it and any attachments to it, is prohibited. Internet communications are not secure and Hyperion does not, therefore, accept legal responsibility for the contents of this message nor for any damage caused by viruses. The views expressed here do not necessarily represent those of Hyperion. For more information about Hyperion, please visit our Web site at www.hyperion.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 08:01:45 +1000 From: "Shane Weier" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Celeb status Message-ID: Mack >I got the following message from a friend in our local club: > >Haven't heard or seen anyone mention a picture of a club member in the >British mag.Scale Aircraft Modeleing. It is volume 24 number >8 with the >Lynx chopper on the cover. There on page 524 as big as Dallas is the back >of >what I can best determine is Mack Harris' head. By astonishing coincidence I actually have that issue with me at work today. Beats me which picture he's talking about. Both the chaps with their backs turned (one in a yellow shirt talking to the SAM team, one in red raping a tall shelf of kits) look too young and hirstute to be listees ;-) Shane _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 08:07:24 +1000 From: "Shane Weier" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Flying Machine Press - DH Aircraft Vol 1 Message-ID: David > > To maintain the relationship of centre of gravity to centre of lift >they'd > > either have to move the mainplanes forward or lengthen the tail of the > > liberty engine machine - and IIRC I have read about at least one of >these > > being done in one of the references > >How about shortening the engine mounts, which may give the appearance of >the >mainplanes being moved foward? Yes, that too though it doesn't change the relationship of cockpit and wing root in the way moving the mainplane would. OTOH I *still* haven't had time to look over the pics and drawings and read all that text because last night I went to our club end of year function and chatted with your son (at least *he* came ;-) Shane _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 17:22:31 -0500 From: "Mike Muth" To: Subject: Re: Retraction/Frigginbird Message-ID: <003401c2a163$ccafc220$8647bacc@ptdprolog.net> Allan wrote Seven years ago when this list started there really was slim pickings. I'm not sure when I firsts joined....musts have been sometime around then. Anyway, I do remember it took 3-4 minutes for my computer to load the home page! Mike Muth ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 08:14:16 +1000 From: "Shane Weier" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Karaya Order Arrived Today... Message-ID: John, >The Choroszy Aviatik Berg D.I is (DROOL Alert!!!!) absolutely beautiful!!!! >I don't know how Choroszy does it, but please don't stop....The lozenges >look a little to bright, but that is probably because I like the Americal >colors...The cockpit and surface detail is breathtaking. A must have if you >are into Teeny-weeny scale Austro-Hungarian planes.... Out of curiosity, what series does the kit represent? Shane _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 17:03:42 -0600 From: sm5192@verizon.net To: Subject: Re: DH.4 Liberty Planes Message-ID: <20021211230342.POKW4645.out004.verizon.net@[127.0.0.1]> Steve, Much interested. Just got my Liberty DH4 from Blue Max in the mail about 15 minutes ago. Now to finish that SE5a thats been sitting on my workbench for weeks. Alvie > > From: "Steven Perry" > Date: 2002/12/10 Tue PM 11:31:25 CST > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: [WWI] DH.4 Liberty Planes > > I have a list of all the modifications made to Liberty Planes once they were > uncrated in France. I also have diagams of the fuel system. Too late to scan > them tonight, but if there is any interest I can post them where they can be > downloaded. > sp > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 18:08:53 -0500 From: "Steven Perry" To: Subject: Re: DH.4 Liberty Planes Message-ID: <00a501c2a16a$469d1460$20244918@tampabay.rr.com> > Steve, > > Much interested. Just got my Liberty DH4 from Blue Max in the mail about 15 minutes ago. Now to finish that SE5a thats been sitting on my workbench for weeks. Well I'll just have to draaaggg my self away from figgerin' bills and git to scannin' sp ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 17:07:34 -0600 From: "Matt Bittner" To: "wwi@wwi-models.org" Subject: More IM Up Message-ID: Four more 2000 Internet Modeler articles have been added. Matt Bittner WW1 Modeling Page Assistant Editor ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 15:18:47 -0800 From: "Ray Boorman" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Cowl questions Message-ID: <8CEDB1E92321E924EA9A921342A4729E@Ray_B.prontomail.com> I always understood that this was done to stop stress fractures. However if you look at racing cars from the 50's and 60's you will often see the same effect on the dashboard. I cant think why the dash would crack?? You can duplicate the effect on small metal plates with a valve grinder and paste. ______________________________________________________________ Get Your Free E-mail at http://www.prontomail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 18:28:22 -0500 From: "peter leonard" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Cowl questions Message-ID: <20021211232822.58851.qmail@mail.com> This was covered on "the other forum" some time ago by people who know what they're talking about rather more than I do. But as I understand it the alloys available at that time were prone to cracking if subjected to vibration. The "engine turning" (swirls) was supposed to minimise the problem. Suposedly a crack would come to a shuddering halt as soon as it encountered a swirl running at ninety degrees to itself. At least so I'm told by my elders and betters ;) cheers Peter L ----- Original Message ----- From: pfalzdvii@att.net Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 16:32:12 -0500 (EST) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [WWI] Re: Cowl questions Both are, I am reasonably confident, examples of "engine turning" a popular decorative metal finish used into the 1930's, although you see it most often on small parts, like inside watches and music boxes, but it was common on luxury car details. Merrill > I was thinking.. > Maybe changing the reflectance IS the whole point. > I've only seen this type of surface treatment on > natural metal cowls. > So it might just be an attempt to break up the glare. > > just a thought > Mark > > > --- MARK MILLER wrote: > > Hi > > I was looking at the Eindecker cowl and was > > wondering > > if somebody can tell me what is going on with that > > squiggle pattern. > > > > it looks to me almost like somebody took a rotary > > sander and randomly scuffed up areas. > > Resulting in a refelectance change. > > but on some repros it looks like fingerpainting > > > > what is right? > > What does it accomplish? > > > > in a related question > > Some Sopwith AC have a dimple pattern on the cowl. > > looks like they took a ball peen hammer and just > > kept > > whacking it. > > is this right? - do the "dimples go in or out? > > and again - what's the purpose - does it strengthen > > the cowl? > > TIA > > Mark > -- __________________________________________________________ Sign-up for your own FREE Personalized E-mail at Mail.com http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup One click access to the Top Search Engines http://www.exactsearchbar.com/mailcom ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 4837 **********************