WWI Digest 4835 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Re Parrot Name by Ray 2) Re: An apology to the list and Mr Fletcher by Allan Wright 3) RE: An apology to the list and Mr Fletcher by Crawford Neil 4) Re: An apology to the list and Mr Fletcher by "Marcio Antonio Campos" 5) Re: Do you know the new email of S. Joe Demarco Aviation Artist? by "Lee M." 6) Re: An apology to the list and Mr Fletcher by tbittners@sprintmail.com (Matt Bittner) 7) avro 504 by "Pedro Soares" 8) Re: An apology to the list and Mr Fletcher by xtv16@dial.pipex.com 9) Re: An apology to the list and Mr Fletcher by "John Sering" 10) Re: An apology to the list and Mr Fletcher by "Marcio Antonio Campos" 11) Re: An apology to the list and Mr Fletcher by xtv16@dial.pipex.com 12) Re: An apology to the list and Mr Fletcher by Allan Wright 13) Memorial Flight Update by tbittners@sprintmail.com (Matt Bittner) 14) Re: An apology to the list and Mr Fletcher by "David C. Fletcher" 15) RE: FE8 72nd plans ? Thank you ... by "Ross & Wendy Moorhouse" 16) Decisions, Decisions by tbittners@sprintmail.com (Matt Bittner) 17) Re: Decisions, Decisions by Allan Wright 18) Re: Decisions, Decisions by xtv16@dial.pipex.com 19) RE: Neat site by "Shane Weier" 20) Re: Retraction/Frigginbird by "Shane Weier" 21) French Breguet question by "Grzegorz Mazurowski" 22) competition by =?iso-8859-1?Q?Martin_H=E9ctor_AFFLITTO_ECHAG=DCE?= 23) Re: Decisions, Decisions by Ray 24) Re: Decisions, Decisions by pfalzdvii@att.net 25) Re: Decisions, Decisions by pfalzdvii@att.net 26) Re: competition by pfalzdvii@att.net 27) Re: Decisions, Decisions by "Steven Perry" 28) Re: Flying Machine Press - DH Aircraft Vol 1 by Karen Rychlewski 29) DH.4 Liberty Planes by "Steven Perry" 30) Re: DH.4 Liberty Planes by pfalzdvii@att.net 31) Re: Flying Machine Press - DH Aircraft Vol 1 by "Shane Weier" 32) Nieuport 29 Datafile by "Robert Baumgartner" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 08:04:02 -0800 From: Ray To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Re Parrot Name Message-ID: <200212100804.03009.Ray_Boorman@telus.net> On Tuesday 10 December 2002 07:40, you wrote: > > I've heard of SE5, SE5a, but never heard of the Bobolink. Was it Allied > or Axis? > > ;) Depending on how you look at it, the Bobolink was built by the Germans for the RFC. Or was that the other way round. ;) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 11:14:37 -0500 (EST) From: Allan Wright To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: An apology to the list and Mr Fletcher Message-ID: <200212101614.LAA09447@mustang.sr.unh.edu> > Again, my most humble regrets on such a trivial issue, > John Sering Well said John, I think there's room for everyone here. I see no need for you to unsubscribe. Allan =============================================================================== Allan Wright Jr. | Without love life's just a long fight - Southside University of New Hampshire +-------------------------------------------------- Research Computing Center | WWI Modeling mailing list: wwi@wwi-models.org Internet: aew@unh.edu | WWI Modeling WWW Page: http://www.wwi-models.org =============================================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 17:14:56 +0100 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: RE: An apology to the list and Mr Fletcher Message-ID: John: > If necessary I will unsubscribe from the list. > > Now don't you start too, nobodies leaving this list, understood! /Neil C. PS. Well done Olsarge, Pedro summed it all up very well, just a misunderstanding, lets forget it. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 14:23:38 -0200 From: "Marcio Antonio Campos" To: Subject: Re: An apology to the list and Mr Fletcher Message-ID: <014401c2a068$b2204f20$e725e2c8@computador> John and folks, I'm glad to see the flame war vanished as quickly as it appeared. And, please, no need to unsubscribe! The funniest thing is that for sure the eagle itself doesn't care about what we are discussing here... (I don't know if Brazil has a national bird, I should research). Back to OT, I was considering, finally, to start a Roden Gotha - the sight of the G.V in the IPMS Sao Paulo contest was too seducing -, and yesterday I was contemplating the kits (I have all 3 Gothas in the cupboard). I still don't have enough space at home to store a finished bomber, but I think I could start the smaller parts (engine etc.) and later, when I get my apartment, it'd be easy to complete the build. I believe I'll start with the G.III. In the meanwhile, Heldmann's Pfalz D.III is on the workbench, as well as Besser's D.VII - this one will bring one more improvement, I'll use a photo-etched interior set. At least the seatbelts and the throttle thing (sorry, the word is lost somewhere in my mind). Let's see how it's gonna look like :-) If I'm successful, I can finally start the Jasta 18 project, using the Revell D.VII kits (Dicta Ira) and improving them with new Spandaus and some interior detail! All the best from Brazil Marcio ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 10:29:52 -0600 From: "Lee M." To: Subject: Re: Do you know the new email of S. Joe Demarco Aviation Artist? Message-ID: <005f01c2a069$5e578740$894d39cc@mesystem> I tried to find information about S. J. Demarco on the net but I failed. So far... I did get a few addresses that might help. www.millich-arts.com www.art.com www.motorartworks.com www.arance.net I also have a very good friend at: KarrArt@aol.com He may know about him. Bob is well versed in Aviation history and could perhaps help a bit Bob Karr is also a fantastic Aviation Artist and his paintings are almost like photographs. The quality and detail is awesome. I am sure he could provide a painting equal to those produced by almost anyone. Bob usually has his transcribed into fabulous prints. I am fortunate since I have two of them. I have no connection with Bob other than the simple fact he is a great friend. Lee Mensinger New Braunfels, Tx ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 10:35:45 -0600 (CST) From: tbittners@sprintmail.com (Matt Bittner) To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: An apology to the list and Mr Fletcher Message-ID: <200212101635.gBAGZj375336@king1.kingsnake.com> > Well said John, I think there's room for everyone here. > I see no need for you to unsubscribe. Nor Larry!! Let's try to bring him back, as well. Matt ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 17:28:13 -0000 From: "Pedro Soares" To: Subject: avro 504 Message-ID: <009c01c2a071$861580e0$6dfb16d5@netcabo.pt> Here's what's on NKR about the new A- model 504 night fighter: "Surprisingly, this isn't just a straight re-issue of Amodel's Avro 504K trainer, with one cockpit covered over...the fuselage has been remoulded with just the single cockpit. As well, more detail has been added to the engine (which is designed to turn with the propeller, as it should). The rest of the kit is pretty much the same as the trainer (very basic cockpit detail) except for the inclusion of skis, as well as the wheeled U/C...but they arn't used on this version anyway. The decal sheet has markings for just one night fighter.. 'E-3259'" Could it be that the fuselage errors were corrected...? Pedro (fingers crossed) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 17:49:06 +0000 From: xtv16@dial.pipex.com To: , John Sering Subject: Re: An apology to the list and Mr Fletcher Message-ID: <1039542546.3df6291281813@netmail.pipex.net> Quoting John Sering : > Dear Mr Fletcher, > > I must sincerely apologize for my brutish response to your comments. I > = > believe you are most valuable to this list than I. > If necessary I will unsubscribe from the list. > John, no-one is more valuable to the list than anyone else, except perhaps Allan, as without him it wouldn't be here, and Matt and Mark for their work. We are a family here, we have squabbles, we fall out, but like most families we soon put it behind us. I for one don't want to see anyone unsubscribe. Dave F ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 12:01:24 -0600 From: "John Sering" To: Subject: Re: An apology to the list and Mr Fletcher Message-ID: <007f01c2a076$286b4920$7dc94cd8@default> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matt Bittner" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2002 10:53 AM Subject: [WWI] Re: An apology to the list and Mr Fletcher > > > Well said John, I think there's room for everyone here. > > I see no need for you to unsubscribe. > > Nor Larry!! Let's try to bring him back, as well. > > > Matt > > > Mr Bittner, I am truly saddened if Mr Marshall has left the list. Perhaps he felt as insulted as I was in regards to the recent 'unpleasantness'. I will refrain from responding to other 'jests' and accept the list's opinion that the US is the butt of all jokes. After all, it seems the rest of the world dislikes us - even some Americans hate America. FWIW, IMHO my country should never have gotten involved in the wars of the past century; but we are naive, gullible, fools willing to put the lives of our sons & daughters on the line in the name of an intangible idea; freedom from tyranny. Why should I care if half of europe spoke german and the other half russian; half of the pacific rim spoke japanese and the other half chinese. It would have spared my grandfathers, uncles, brothers and friends of much hardship and 'lost' years of their lives. Perhaps I take too many anti-depressant drugs, perhaps I do drink a bit too much. If anyone has a better way of suppressing nightmares of young men dying in the arms of their comrades I'm all for it. I hate war, it is the most loathsome deed mankind has ever engaged in; it reeks of hate and horror - of arrogance and ego. But I love the soldier - they truly tread where angels fear to go; into harms way. We fight because others will not or can not. Someone has to shovel the sh*t out the barn - I guess it us yanks. Respectfully, Olsarge ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 16:23:44 -0200 From: "Marcio Antonio Campos" To: Subject: Re: An apology to the list and Mr Fletcher Message-ID: <002801c2a079$4aaf88e0$1323e2c8@computador> > I will refrain from responding to other 'jests' and accept the list's > opinion that the US is the butt of all jokes. After all, it seems the rest > of the world dislikes us - even some Americans hate America. Let's not start that again... Alll the best from Brazil Marcio ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 18:54:34 +0000 From: xtv16@dial.pipex.com To: Subject: Re: An apology to the list and Mr Fletcher Message-ID: <1039546474.3df6386ad0127@netmail.pipex.net> Quoting xtv16@dial.pipex.com: > >> > We are a family here, we have squabbles, we fall out, but like most > families we > soon put it behind us. I for one don't want to see anyone unsubscribe. > > Dave F > Which was of course David Fleming ! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 14:30:45 -0500 (EST) From: Allan Wright To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: An apology to the list and Mr Fletcher Message-ID: <200212101930.OAA10810@mustang.sr.unh.edu> > John, no-one is more valuable to the list than anyone else, except perhaps > Allan, as without him it wouldn't be here, and Matt and Mark for their work. I'm only valuable because I have a free webserver :-) Now Matt and Mark are truely invaluable as co-webmasters. Without their help I'd be hopelessly backlogged, and we would be without great content like the IM archive and all of the scanned photos. Thanks to all for their constructive posts and model photos too. Allan =============================================================================== Allan Wright Jr. | Without love life's just a long fight - Southside University of New Hampshire +-------------------------------------------------- Research Computing Center | WWI Modeling mailing list: wwi@wwi-models.org Internet: aew@unh.edu | WWI Modeling WWW Page: http://www.wwi-models.org =============================================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 13:57:28 -0600 (CST) From: tbittners@sprintmail.com (Matt Bittner) To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Memorial Flight Update Message-ID: <200212101957.gBAJvSh88335@king1.kingsnake.com> Just saw that Memorial Flight (http://memorial.flight.free.fr/indexuk.html) has been updated with new images of the SPAD XIII re-restoration. Now if only we would get a proper scale, mass market SPAD XIII... Matt ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 12:10:04 -0800 From: "David C. Fletcher" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: An apology to the list and Mr Fletcher Message-ID: <3DF64A1C.4000607@mars.ark.com> Somehow, I got unsubscribed - that is a weekly occurrence with my provider - or was it something I said? Anyway, I missed this traffic and cannot access the archives yet but, whatever was said, I accept. I will also try to be a little more discrete in future. I worked in a NATO environment where we used to chuck light-hearted abuse at each other regularly, but everyone expected it there; I should have recognized that not everyone has been in similar situations. CAN WE GET BACK TO TALKING ABOUT MODELS!?!?!? Dave Fletcher ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 07:22:12 +1100 From: "Ross & Wendy Moorhouse" To: Subject: RE: FE8 72nd plans ? Thank you ... Message-ID: <000d01c2a089$d5e73ba0$08482dcb@future> To everyone who sent me stuff on this plane. Thank you. It is greatly appreciated. Cheers Ross -----Original Message----- From: wwi@wwi-models.org [mailto:wwi@wwi-models.org] On Behalf Of Ross & Wendy Moorhouse Sent: Tuesday, 10 December 2002 12:56 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [WWI] FE8 72nd plans ? Does anyone have a set of plans for a FE8 they could scan and send to me? Cheers TIA Ross ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 14:50:28 -0600 (CST) From: tbittners@sprintmail.com (Matt Bittner) To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Decisions, Decisions Message-ID: <200212102050.gBAKoSo91816@king1.kingsnake.com> One of the models I want to build next year (after finishing a few, first ;-)) will be a Salmson 2A.2. However, now that I have three (Pegasus, Chroszy and Czechmaster) I can't decide which to build first. The Pegasus will require a lot of cockpit thinning. The CM will require some cockpit thinning. Both will require a lot of additions into the cockpit. The Choroszy will require nothing but time. Still, I want to build all three eventually, and can't decide if I save the best for last, or build the best first? ;-) Oh, if life's decisions could be this way... Once I decide on a kit, I think have to decide on a scheme. Go all-over aluminum? Or since the Strutter will be aluminum, go five color? Now, which *French* Escadrille do I finish it as? I have decals for SAL 1, so that's the first choice. But... Oh, the humanity! ;-) Matt ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 16:10:42 -0500 (EST) From: Allan Wright To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Decisions, Decisions Message-ID: <200212102110.QAA11437@mustang.sr.unh.edu> If it were me I'd let the other 2 gather dust and build the Chroszy first. But here's the rub, I wouldn't get to the other two. If you TRUELY plan to build all three, start with the Pegasus, with your third least favorite scheme, and work up to the Chroszy with your favorite scheme, tuning your technique as you go. If only lifes choices were all this hard :-) > > > One of the models I want to build next year (after finishing a few, first > ;-)) will be a Salmson 2A.2. However, now that I have three (Pegasus, > Chroszy and Czechmaster) I can't decide which to build first. The Pegasus > will require a lot of cockpit thinning. The CM will require some cockpit > thinning. Both will require a lot of additions into the cockpit. > > The Choroszy will require nothing but time. Still, I want to build all > three eventually, and can't decide if I save the best for last, or build > the best first? ;-) Oh, if life's decisions could be this way... > > Once I decide on a kit, I think have to decide on a scheme. Go all-over > aluminum? Or since the Strutter will be aluminum, go five color? Now, > which *French* Escadrille do I finish it as? I have decals for SAL 1, so > that's the first choice. But... > > Oh, the humanity! ;-) > > > Matt > > > =============================================================================== Allan Wright Jr. | Without love life's just a long fight - Southside University of New Hampshire +-------------------------------------------------- Research Computing Center | WWI Modeling mailing list: wwi@wwi-models.org Internet: aew@unh.edu | WWI Modeling WWW Page: http://www.wwi-models.org =============================================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 21:28:33 +0000 From: xtv16@dial.pipex.com To: Subject: Re: Decisions, Decisions Message-ID: <1039555713.3df65c81724b4@netmail.pipex.net> Quoting Allan Wright : > If it were me I'd let the other 2 gather dust and build the Chroszy > first. > But here's the rub, I wouldn't get to the other two. If you TRUELY plan > to build all three, start with the Pegasus, with your third least > favorite scheme, and work up to the Chroszy with your favorite scheme, > tuning your technique as you go. > Allan, that's far too sensible, what I'd do is build all three side by side. But then I'd never have three French aircraft that the RFC/RNAS didn't use to start with!! > If only lifes choices were all this hard :-) > Yeah, what ot get SWMBO for Christmas, now THAT'S a decision!! Dave Fleming Currently on List European Evening Shift BTW Matt, I'd build the Chroszy, you know you'll get it done in the least time - save the others for when you retire!! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 07:31:49 +1000 From: "Shane Weier" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: RE: Neat site Message-ID: Neil >Yes that's true Shane, though I did think it looked similar >to the other Farre paintings that have been in Windsock. >Pity. Though if it is a period painting, it's pretty good >evidence in any case. In fact I think it's the best corroborative evidence I've seen to date, and the URL to that site will no doubt be in my evidence log when I build my strutter. Shane _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 09:01:21 +1000 From: "Shane Weier" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Retraction/Frigginbird Message-ID: Al says: >Seven years ago when this list >started there really was slim pickings. Now I have list emails going back to the first half of 1994, so I figure it's at least 8 1/2 years we owe you...... ....and I wonder whether the list has helped to generate the plenty we now enjoy. I think so. Shane _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 00:09:25 +0100 From: "Grzegorz Mazurowski" To: Subject: French Breguet question Message-ID: <01d801c2a0a1$2edcdb40$0200a8c0@grzesiek> My Venezuelan friend has a question about French aviation! Matt? Any others? "At last I begin to build the Breguet Br14B2. Bob Pearson made some nice decals for the Pegasus Model in 1/72 (hope that Bob receive soon what my brother sent to him from Florida ) I choose the winged cobra from the Esquadrille Br107 -sorry my french. But...any one know somethig about this squadron: place, dates around 1918, bombing task, crews..? Apreciating any tip. Clem " G. --------------r-e-k-l-a-m-a----------------- Masz dosc placenia prowizji bankowi ? mBank - zaloz konto http://epieniadze.onet.pl/mbank ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 23:25:18 -0300 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Martin_H=E9ctor_AFFLITTO_ECHAG=DCE?= To: "WWI List" Subject: competition Message-ID: <000b01c2a0bc$8c694440$4debe818@fibertel.com.ar> The best of my club's competition was : http://www.cmargentino.com/Lo_mejor_del_CMA/page_01.htm To see better, click on each picture. Greetings Martin Hector Afflitto Echagüe Propalador modelistico del CMA ( modelistic publisher from CMA) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 19:34:35 -0800 From: Ray To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Decisions, Decisions Message-ID: <200212101934.36042.Ray_Boorman@telus.net> Matt, I had this problem with the Fokker EIV. i have the ICM, MAc and Eduard models. If i build the Eduard which wont need as much work i know I would probably never build the others. I compromised and amd building the ICM. I have used the decals from the MAC model though. If it was me i would build the Czechmaster. That way if i screw up I still have the best model left. Ray (Yep not logical but what the heck) On Tuesday 10 December 2002 13:07, you wrote: > One of the models I want to build next year (after finishing a few, first > ;-)) will be a Salmson 2A.2. However, now that I have three (Pegasus, > Chroszy and Czechmaster) I can't decide which to build first. The Pegasus > will require a lot of cockpit thinning. The CM will require some cockpit > thinning. Both will require a lot of additions into the cockpit. > > The Choroszy will require nothing but time. Still, I want to build all > three eventually, and can't decide if I save the best for last, or build > the best first? ;-) Oh, if life's decisions could be this way... > > Once I decide on a kit, I think have to decide on a scheme. Go all-over > aluminum? Or since the Strutter will be aluminum, go five color? Now, > which *French* Escadrille do I finish it as? I have decals for SAL 1, so > that's the first choice. But... > > Oh, the humanity! ;-) > > > Matt ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 04:11:17 +0000 From: pfalzdvii@att.net To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Decisions, Decisions Message-ID: <20021211041119.HFYD20003.mtiwmhc13.worldnet.att.net@mtiwebc36> Hey Matt! I've got the same, plus the Wings 72 Vac, too, want to try that? Merrill > > One of the models I want to build next year (after finishing a few, first > ;-)) will be a Salmson 2A.2. However, now that I have three (Pegasus, > Chroszy and Czechmaster) I can't decide which to build first. The Pegasus > will require a lot of cockpit thinning. The CM will require some cockpit > thinning. Both will require a lot of additions into the cockpit. > > The Choroszy will require nothing but time. Still, I want to build all > three eventually, and can't decide if I save the best for last, or build > the best first? ;-) Oh, if life's decisions could be this way... > > Once I decide on a kit, I think have to decide on a scheme. Go all-over > aluminum? Or since the Strutter will be aluminum, go five color? Now, > which *French* Escadrille do I finish it as? I have decals for SAL 1, so > that's the first choice. But... > > Oh, the humanity! ;-) > > > Matt > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 04:21:32 +0000 From: pfalzdvii@att.net To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Decisions, Decisions Message-ID: <20021211042133.EMTA20575.mtiwmhc12.worldnet.att.net@mtiwebc36> Ray, I had the same problem, but decided the MAC was best placed in the 'mystery parts' box, although their later kits are pretty good. Merrill > Matt, I had this problem with the Fokker EIV. i have the ICM, MAc and Eduard > models. If i build the Eduard which wont need as much work i know I would > probably never build the others. I compromised and amd building the ICM. I > have used the decals from the MAC model though. > > If it was me i would build the Czechmaster. That way if i screw up I still > have the best model left. > > Ray (Yep not logical but what the heck) > > On Tuesday 10 December 2002 13:07, you wrote: > > One of the models I want to build next year (after finishing a few, first > > ;-)) will be a Salmson 2A.2. However, now that I have three (Pegasus, > > Chroszy and Czechmaster) I can't decide which to build first. The Pegasus > > will require a lot of cockpit thinning. The CM will require some cockpit > > thinning. Both will require a lot of additions into the cockpit. > > > > The Choroszy will require nothing but time. Still, I want to build all > > three eventually, and can't decide if I save the best for last, or build > > the best first? ;-) Oh, if life's decisions could be this way... > > > > Once I decide on a kit, I think have to decide on a scheme. Go all-over > > aluminum? Or since the Strutter will be aluminum, go five color? Now, > > which *French* Escadrille do I finish it as? I have decals for SAL 1, so > > that's the first choice. But... > > > > Oh, the humanity! ;-) > > > > > > Matt > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 04:25:59 +0000 From: pfalzdvii@att.net To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: competition Message-ID: <20021211042602.HPVF20003.mtiwmhc13.worldnet.att.net@mtiwebc36> Martin, as they say around here, thanks for sharing! Your club would do well at any contest we have around here, and the modelers around here include some very good modelers. Merrill ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 23:33:44 -0500 From: "Steven Perry" To: Subject: Re: Decisions, Decisions Message-ID: <00df01c2a0ce$7db95400$20244918@tampabay.rr.com> > One of the models I want to build next year (after finishing a few, first > ;-)) will be a Salmson 2A.2. However, now that I have three (Pegasus, > Chroszy and Czechmaster) I can't decide which to build first. Do a triple build. Great followup for my triple Bregt article. ;-) sp ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 00:05:11 -0500 From: Karen Rychlewski To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Flying Machine Press - DH Aircraft Vol 1 Message-ID: <3DF6C789.86BEFBC9@earthlink.net> Lance Krieg wrote: > >snipped comments and list of sources< > > Comparing these drawings, one set stood out as very different; Ian > Stair's in the DF Special. Measuring from the rudder, the wing > placement on the Stair drawings were 19 inches further aft than anyone > else showed. Comparing the drawings to photographs convinced me that > this is an error, and would result in an atypical stance and look to any > model based on these plans. > > I'm not sure that Karen ever agreed with me on this, and she spent a > fair amount of time looking at plans, too. Au contraire, mon ami. I agree wholeheartedly that the Stair drawing of the Puma-engined British DH4 is distinctly different in placing the wings, undercarriage and cockpit further aft than any others I saw. What I disagreed with was Lance's opinion that the Stair drawings formed the basis for the BM kit. Stair's DH4 is very different from the Dayton-Wright factory drawing of the US DH-4 (which I believe is quite close to the kit), but it should be--one's British, one's US. At that point, I concentrated on the US version; I defer to Lance's study of photos and such regarding the accuracy of the Stair drawings representing the British planes. Karen (waiting for the US DH-4 Datafile...) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 00:30:03 -0500 From: "Steven Perry" To: Subject: DH.4 Liberty Planes Message-ID: <00f601c2a0d6$5b8b5a60$20244918@tampabay.rr.com> I have a list of all the modifications made to Liberty Planes once they were uncrated in France. I also have diagams of the fuel system. Too late to scan them tonight, but if there is any interest I can post them where they can be downloaded. sp ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 05:36:22 +0000 From: pfalzdvii@att.net To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: DH.4 Liberty Planes Message-ID: <20021211053623.KDPF9286.mtiwmhc11.worldnet.att.net@mtiwebc16> Please, do. Merrill > I have a list of all the modifications made to Liberty Planes once they were > uncrated in France. I also have diagams of the fuel system. Too late to scan > them tonight, but if there is any interest I can post them where they can be > downloaded. > sp > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 15:27:14 +1000 From: "Shane Weier" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Flying Machine Press - DH Aircraft Vol 1 Message-ID: Karen in reply to Lance: > > I'm not sure that Karen ever agreed with me on this, and she spent a > > fair amount of time looking at plans, too. > >Au contraire, mon ami. >I agree wholeheartedly that the Stair drawing of the Puma-engined British >DH4 is distinctly different in placing the wings, undercarriage and cockpit >further aft than any others I saw. I haven't (yet) had the time to sit and pore over the drawings but it's very clear to me that the wing placement *should* be different, since the Liberty was a markedly heavier engine. To maintain the relationship of centre of gravity to centre of lift they'd either have to move the mainplanes forward or lengthen the tail of the liberty engine machine - and IIRC I have read about at least one of these being done in one of the references Of course, that means that a drawing of a Puma engined machine would by comparison seem to have the wings, undercarriage and cockpit further aft. I don't *know* but the symptoms certainly look the way they should given the circumstances Shane _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 17:10:32 +0800 From: "Robert Baumgartner" To: Subject: Nieuport 29 Datafile Message-ID: <016b01c2a0f8$222ca540$7300080a@RobBaum> That's at least one copy of next years Datafile sold. ;-) Rob B ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matt Bittner" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2002 10:54 PM Subject: [WWI] Re: Welcome Clay > > > > Was the SE5 the best allied fighter produced? Or the Sopwiths? SPADs? > > Everyone knows it was the Nieuport 29. ;-) > > > Matt > > > ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 4835 **********************