WWI Digest 4827 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Morane structure qn by SSH 2) Re: Morane structure qn by SSH 3) Re: Large scale wing covering query by sm5192@verizon.net 4) Re: Morane structure qn by SSH 5) Re: Large scale wing covering query by Larry Marshall 6) Too cool by "Bob Pearson" 7) New look for the site by MARK MILLER 8) Re: Morane structure qn by Tom Plesha 9) =?GB2312?B?zfjJz828yum53aGivObWsKGiw+K30bXn07ChosjtvP4uLi6joQ==?= by =?GB2312?B?sNfUxg==?= 10) Re: Large scale wing covering query by "Bob Pearson" 11) Re: Morane structure qn by "Steven Perry" 12) Re: Large scale wing covering query by Larry Marshall 13) SE5a - the bottom line by "Fraser" 14) Re: Honeymooning by Karen Rychlewski 15) Re: Large scale wing covering query by VMA324Vagabonds@aol.com 16) Re: Morane structure qn by "Shane Weier" 17) Re: SE5a - the bottom line by pfalzdvii@att.net 18) Re: SE5a - the bottom line by "Shane Weier" 19) Re: ABC Dragonfly engine by "peter leonard" 20) re: New look for the site by "Grzegorz Mazurowski" 21) Saturday Afternoon Modeling by "Steven Perry" 22) re: New look for the site by "Michael Kendix" 23) Re: SE5a - the bottom line by "John & Allison Cyganowski" 24) re: New look for the site by MARK MILLER 25) Re: Morane structure qn by ot811 26) Re: ABC Dragonfly engine by Dave Fleming 27) Re: ABC Dragonfly engine by "Steven Perry" 28) re: New look for the site by "Matt Bittner" 29) Re: Saturday Afternoon Modeling by "David C. Fletcher" 30) Re: Best 1/72 German Lozenge Decals : (4 color and 5 co by Ray ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 18:49:43 -0500 From: SSH To: Subject: Re: Morane structure qn Message-ID: <20021206234607.AD198464285@mail.mailsnare.net> Shane, >>>>>The bracing at that point is actually *massive* but not INSIDE the >aircraft. >Look at a head on view and consider the entire cross section at the >frame in >front of the cockpit and you'll see external wire bracing attached >to >....... the main spar of the wing. ------ yes, I did!, and I dont see how it helps unless I am missing something in my reasoning: Consider what happens when the plane touches down on one wheel in a slight skid. The UC strut is going to push upward and inward toward the centre of the fuselage (as seen in head-on view). This will tend to cause the fuselage to deform into a parallelogram (again in head on view) - The flying wires do not counteract that, or at-least they are poorly angled to counter-act this force. regards Sanjeev ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 18:55:14 -0500 From: SSH To: Subject: Re: Morane structure qn Message-ID: <20021206235134.0BD24464284@mail.mailsnare.net> Michael, Havent seen you in a long time! Perhaps the IPMS DC meeting/christmas party this 17th? >>>>That frame ususally would not have bracing wires of the type you >discuss because they would intefere with 1) the rudder bar and >rudder cables, ----- the rudder bar is well forward, so this is not a problem. >>>> 2) the pilot's leg movements ------ yes! >>>>> 3) the crankshaft/air intake for the engine which reaches nearly ----- no, it too is well forward, just about halfway back from the firewall. >>>>>> The >designers compensated for the lack of such bracing by using heavier >gauge strucutral members and fittings in that frame, wood or metal >sheeting the frame in that area and over designing the engine mounts >to provide the necessary regidity to the area. ----- I tend to agree. Thanks Sanjeev ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 17:58:09 -0600 From: sm5192@verizon.net To: Subject: Re: Large scale wing covering query Message-ID: <20021206235809.NIIN21770.out003.verizon.net@[127.0.0.1]> Bob, Two solutions: Glue the covering material to each rib undercamber along the entir length of each rib (make sure the covering grain whether tissue, fabric or wood runs spanwise or, rib stitching. Alvie > > From: "Bob Pearson" > Date: 2002/12/06 Fri PM 05:51:43 CST > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: [WWI] Large scale wing covering query > > Before I get too far into the wing construction I just had a horrible > thought. ... will there be any problem covering the reverse camber of the > underside of the wings on the DWC. I'm wondering if I should just cut my > losses and make new ribs with a flat profile to the bottom of them. Right > now I am at the stage where I should decide one way or the other as it will > take about the same amount of time to clean up the ones I have already done > as it would to cut a whole new set. > > Bob > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 19:00:16 -0500 From: SSH To: Subject: Re: Morane structure qn Message-ID: <20021206235636.2C06C464283@mail.mailsnare.net> Mark, >>>>>>In addition, one of the fastest ways to get in trouble in these >planes was >to try to land crosswind. -------- true, but still aeroplanes *were* designed to withstand cross-wind landings, eg., The Palmer Cord Tyre company's wheels had a patented design (the asymmetric ones) to withstand side-slipping landing. Another example is the split-axle design. regards Sanjeev ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 19:00:22 -0500 From: Larry Marshall To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Large scale wing covering query Message-ID: <200212061900.22986.larrym@sympatico.ca> On Friday 06 December 2002 06:51 pm, you wrote: > Before I get too far into the wing construction I just had a horrible > thought. ... will there be any problem covering the reverse camber of the > underside of the wings on the DWC. I'm wondering if I should just cut my > losses and make new ribs with a flat profile to the bottom of them. Right > now I am at the stage where I should decide one way or the other as it will > take about the same amount of time to clean up the ones I have already done > as it would to cut a whole new set. Covering undercamber is a bit of a problem but it can be done. This is a static model, right? If so, why not just use the undercambered ribs (they're not radically undercambered are they) and then let the covering shrink up flat across the bottom of the wing. I assume you're going to use a light polyester cloth for covering. If you do, it'll shrink up tight as a drum from leading edge to trailing edge. -- Cheers --- Larry Marshall Quebec City, QC ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Dec 2002 16:06:07 -0800 From: "Bob Pearson" To: ww1 mailing list Subject: Too cool Message-ID: <103921956801@smtp-2.vancouver.ipapp.com> Hi all, I usually have the radio on during the daytime, and for the past ten years I have been using an old ghetto blaster that has seen better days (placed under heat lamps at work etc etc)... I recently decided I wanted an old fashioned wooden tube radio that I could place out where it can be seen and not have to use a power bar to turn it on as the knobs can't be turned. To this end I have been searching the internet for the past week to no avail However I was just in my local CD pushers shop and mentioned it to him .. he suggested I talk to the repair shop on the corner - the owner is a packrat and he may know where I could find one. Moments later I walk into the shop and the owner says "Heck, I'll give you one". .. so I am now the proud owner of a 1950s Pye tube radio (which is presently playing in the background). He didn't want any payment, but I felt bad about that and gave him $20. .... a modern reproduction I was looking at early today was $250. how to get this OT .. .. I know. the Halberstadt D.V was used two-way radio tests. Ooooo even further OT. .. has anyone seen the TV series THE TRENCH? An interesting idea Bob ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 16:35:06 -0800 (PST) From: MARK MILLER To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: New look for the site Message-ID: <20021207003506.25809.qmail@web80008.mail.yahoo.com> Hi After some discusion on the matter, we decided that it would be a good idea to give the WW1 modling Page a new look. The site as it exists now is nice and simple, and we would like to keep it that way. We definitly don't want to just add confusion or slow down the load time. But I think it could benefit from some new graphics and a new layout. We aren't envisioning any huge changes to the basic structure of the site, I think everybody is pretty happy with things as they are, but we are open to suggestions. In any case I voluntereed to investigate a little and to try and come up with some alternatives. Any help, ideas, or suggestions would be welcome. I can be contacted at: mark_.m@sbcglobal.net thanks Mark ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 17:37:39 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Plesha To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Morane structure qn Message-ID: <20021207013739.98097.qmail@web40302.mail.yahoo.com> Crosswind landing were not acceptable in WWI, regardless. Simply because the wire wheels could not stand a side load. That is why they had aerodromes rather then airports with runways, thus landing anyway that was into the wind. .. It was earlier mentioned that the pilots sought out the windsock, if there, the waves on a lake, if there, smoke, etc. to determine which way the wind was "blowing", that is correct. .. In addition, that is the primary reason for "dawn patrols" and "evening patrols", minimal wind, if any. .. Later Tom .. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. 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Provided they adhere to whatever they are attached to that is. Bob ---------- >From: Larry Marshall > Covering undercamber is a bit of a problem but it can be done. > > This is a static model, right? If so, why not just use the undercambered ribs > (they're not radically undercambered are they) and then let the covering > shrink up flat across the bottom of the wing. I assume you're going to use a > light polyester cloth for covering. If you do, it'll shrink up tight as a > drum from leading edge to trailing edge. > > -- > Cheers --- Larry Marshall > Quebec City, QC > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 22:21:24 -0500 From: "Steven Perry" To: Subject: Re: Morane structure qn Message-ID: <002901c29d9f$b8d7b360$20244918@tampabay.rr.com> There was a fellow locally that had a D.VII replica (Ranger powered). It was done up as HG's white machine. He busted it up in a crosswind over at the Lakeland fly-in one year. His spoked wheels gave way and he lost his U/C and messed up the underside of the fuselage & lower wing. Got it fixed eventually. Last week I saw a video clip of it pranging on one of those extreme idiots shows. sp > Crosswind landing were not acceptable in WWI, > regardless. Simply because the wire wheels could not > stand a side load. That is why they had aerodromes > rather then airports with runways, thus landing anyway > that was into the wind. > . > It was earlier mentioned that the pilots sought out > the windsock, if there, the waves on a lake, if there, > smoke, etc. to determine which way the wind was > "blowing", that is correct. > . > In addition, that is the primary reason for "dawn > patrols" and "evening patrols", minimal wind, if any. > . > Later > Tom > . > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. > http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 22:56:56 -0500 From: Larry Marshall To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Large scale wing covering query Message-ID: <200212062256.56807.larrym@sympatico.ca> > There is actually a far amount of undercamber. . possibly 1/8 of an inch. > As for covering. . I'm probably going for one of those iron on types. > Provided they adhere to whatever they are attached to that is. If you've only got 1/8" of undercamber in a wing with that much chord, I don't think it will be a problem and the iron-on coverings should handle it without problem. -- Cheers --- Larry Marshall Quebec City, QC ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 06:00:22 +0100 From: "Fraser" To: Subject: SE5a - the bottom line Message-ID: <001101c29dad$9165b4e0$fe78a8c0@pc145681> Morning all, I'm working on a BM SE5a and noticed the lack of a proper seat. Just an 'orrible board. Verified by a pic in the Datafile. What I want to know is: was this uncomfortable situation something that people did anything about in the field? Any evidence for an after-market bucket seat, a pink satin cushion from mum? It looks like a receipe for callouses or worse. Not to mention the lack of lateral support when things got hairy. Cardinal Biggles, the comfy Chair! TIA Fraser P.S. Am also following the SE colour discussion with great interest. Shame there's no hard evidence, or a good description, the idea of a blood red camel or Triplane. Ni-i-ice. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Dec 2002 23:59:24 -0500 From: Karen Rychlewski To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Honeymooning Message-ID: <3DF1802D.F9426A2F@earthlink.net> Crawford Neil wrote: > Sometimes I miss Diego, can't understand why! ...maybe this is why: http://www.lasnieves.com.ar/ Karen (to whom a little birdie revealed D&W's destination) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 00:32:25 EST From: VMA324Vagabonds@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Large scale wing covering query Message-ID: <12f.1cedb7a2.2b22e1e9@aol.com> --part1_12f.1cedb7a2.2b22e1e9_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/6/2002 10:11:51 PM Eastern Standard Time, bpearson@kaien.net writes: > There is actually a far amount of undercamber. . possibly 1/8 of an inch. As > for covering. . I'm probably going for one of those iron on types. > Hi Bob, you can precoat the wood with balsarite which is a type of glue made just for this problem you are talking about. There are two types, one for plastic coverings and one for fabric. I used it on my fokker D.Vll and my Piper cub and am highly pleased with it. If you want more about it let me know. Best regards, Jon --part1_12f.1cedb7a2.2b22e1e9_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/6/2002 10:11:51 PM Eastern Standard Time, bpearson@kaien.net writes:

There is actually a far amount of undercamber. . possibly 1/8 of an inch. As
for covering. . I'm probably going for one of those iron on types.


Hi Bob, you can precoat the wood with balsarite which is a type of glue made just for this problem you are talking about. There are two types, one for plastic coverings and one for fabric. I used it on my fokker D.Vll and my Piper cub and am highly pleased with it. If you want more about it let me know.
                                           Best regards,
                                                    Jon --part1_12f.1cedb7a2.2b22e1e9_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Dec 2002 16:02:02 +1000 From: "Shane Weier" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Morane structure qn Message-ID: Sanjeev >------ yes, I did!, and I dont see how it helps unless I am missing >something in my reasoning: >Consider what happens when the plane touches down on one wheel in a >slight skid. The UC strut is going to push upward and inward toward >the centre of the fuselage (as seen in head-on view). This will tend >to cause the fuselage to deform into a parallelogram (again in head >on view) - The flying wires do not counteract that, or at-least they >are poorly angled to counter-act this force. I still think you need to look at the whole structure. The "M" shape of the undercarriage forms a truss with the lower fuselage crossmember and axle which are braced at top and bottom by wires which are at very nearly the same angle as they'd be if installed internally. Add that to the very strong likelihood that the former at that station is somewhat more massive (or strengthened with metal sheet or brackets) and the additional cross member about the level of the bottom of the fuel tank and I suspect it's considerably stiffer than any other station except the firewall. Though it needs to be ! Shane _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Dec 2002 07:18:52 +0000 From: pfalzdvii@att.net To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: SE5a - the bottom line Message-ID: <20021207071854.CLGD20682.mtiwmhc11.worldnet.att.net@mtiwebc20> The PILOTS tore the original, 'armored' seat out, the bench was "it" for the duration. Post war, seats were installed again, at least in some SE's. Talk about uncomfortable, one Scots SE5 pilot is supposed to have flown in his kilt! Merrill > Morning all, > I'm working on a BM SE5a and noticed the lack of a proper seat. Just an > 'orrible board. Verified by a pic in the Datafile. What I want to know is: > was this uncomfortable situation something that people did anything about in > the field? Any evidence for an after-market bucket seat, a pink satin > cushion from mum? > It looks like a receipe for callouses or worse. Not to mention the lack of > lateral support when things got hairy. > Cardinal Biggles, the comfy Chair! > TIA > Fraser > P.S. > Am also following the SE colour discussion with great interest. Shame > there's no hard evidence, or a good description, the idea of a blood red > camel or Triplane. Ni-i-ice. > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Dec 2002 17:40:53 +1000 From: "Shane Weier" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: SE5a - the bottom line Message-ID: Merrill says: >Talk >about uncomfortable, one Scots SE5 pilot is supposed to have flown in >his >kilt! Bare arse on a wooden plank? LOL - this is an Australian tradition, seen every summer on hundreds of Aussie beaches as the lifesavers practice in their surfboats - speedoes hiked high between their buttocks to allow a better gluteal grip Shane _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Dec 2002 04:09:20 -0500 From: "peter leonard" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: ABC Dragonfly engine Message-ID: <20021207090921.18354.qmail@mail.com> ----- Original Message ----- From: Crawford Neil Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 06:19:24 -0500 (EST) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [WWI] Re: ABC Dragonfly engine >>Peter, I don't think this was so, yet I can't be sure. I searched for Roy Fedden, and found a lot about his automobile connections, but ne'r a word about any connection to ABC.<< You may well be right Neil, and you have a source which is more than I have. But you know when you just have that "I'm sure I read it somewhere" feeling? Well thats what I've got. Probably just the ramblings of a feeble mind. "Nurse! He's out of bed again" Even so, looking at the Jupiter, that's where I'd start for a model conversion. A Lindberg Bulldog should do the trick. What remains of the kit can be converted in it's turn (OT-wise, the upside down fuselage has a M1c in it) and won't be wasted cheers Peter L -- __________________________________________________________ Sign-up for your own FREE Personalized E-mail at Mail.com http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup One click access to the Top Search Engines http://www.exactsearchbar.com/mailcom ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 12:42:13 +0100 From: "Grzegorz Mazurowski" To: Subject: re: New look for the site Message-ID: <008d01c29de5$afd8fc60$0200a8c0@grzesiek> At the same time you can correct this: "Eduard is a small company from England that produces a small line of super detailed models which include extensive amounts of photo-etched brass parts. These kits run from $14 - $28 a piece but are worth the price. Assembly is the most difficult of any kits available because of the detail of the parts but can be simplified by removing some of the unnecesary details. Currently they have available: Sopwith Baby (Navy Floatplane) and Sopwith Schnider." It's from the List's website "General 1/72 kits information" by Allan. All this article needs to be corrected, maybe removed, but it contains lots of good info too (for example about older Airfixes). BTW, It's the first thing I've downloaded from the list website, some 4 years ago I think! Cheers! G. --------------r-e-k-l-a-m-a----------------- Masz dosc placenia prowizji bankowi ? mBank - zaloz konto http://epieniadze.onet.pl/mbank ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 07:27:29 -0500 From: "Steven Perry" To: Subject: Saturday Afternoon Modeling Message-ID: <005101c29dec$024ae2a0$20244918@tampabay.rr.com> Scotty, my young Padawan modeler is coming over to spend the afternoon modeling. His Mom wants an afternoon of peace and quiet. You should have seen his eyes light up when I told him I'd show him how to make the seams disappear. He's already talking about having a model done well enough to compete in the next local contest. On a semi OT related subject, My wife just bought a flippin parrot. "I said yes before I realized it", was what she told me. Well, I've done that more than once at a hobby shop so I can't gripe too loudly. My initial question is why would someone sell a hundred dollar bird along with $250 worth of cage and accessories for fourty bucks, unless they were $310 worth of glad to get rid of the squawker. I reckon we'll find out. Anyway, as part of my price to go along with this, I extracted a solemn promise, (FWTW), not to clip the poor bird's wings and reserved the right to name him after an OT aviator. It's a Quaker Parrot. These have established themselves here locally in the past decade or so and you see/hear squadrons of them flying around all the time. They are green with a gray face as I recall. I suppose I could call him Werner and then insist that the yellow & olive schools are all wrong, but that would just stir things up :-). I don't suppose there were a lot of Aces who were Quakers, so that angle is out. The poor bird has had it's wings clipped by his present owner/flightsurgeon and I intend to ensure that they grow out again, so anyone know of a WWI pilot who was grounded and then regained flight status? Any other suggestions for an OT name. What was the name of that carrier pidgeon who got the message back from the Lost Batallion? I'll give a further report on the afternoon's modeling session and the arrival of the new squadron member this evening. In the meantime any name suggestions would be appreciated. sp ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Dec 2002 13:08:56 +0000 From: "Michael Kendix" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: re: New look for the site Message-ID: Grzegorz: There is an old proverb that says: "He who can play the piano has to carry it up the four flights of stairs." Michael >From: "Grzegorz Mazurowski" >At the same time you can correct this: >"Eduard is a small company from England that produces a small line of > >super detailed models which include extensive amounts of photo-etched > >brass parts. [snip]... _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 08:21:51 -0500 From: "John & Allison Cyganowski" To: Subject: Re: SE5a - the bottom line Message-ID: <000601c29df3$9b4c0720$47385b0c@millipore.com> Interestingly enough the SE5 had an adjustable armoured seat. This was one of the items that 56 sq deleted from the SE5. Most of theose modifications became standard for the SE5 & 5a. My guess was weight was one consideration. Cyg. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fraser" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Friday, December 06, 2002 11:58 PM Subject: [WWI] SE5a - the bottom line > Morning all, > I'm working on a BM SE5a and noticed the lack of a proper seat. Just an > 'orrible board. Verified by a pic in the Datafile. What I want to know is: > was this uncomfortable situation something that people did anything about in > the field? Any evidence for an after-market bucket seat, a pink satin > cushion from mum? > It looks like a receipe for callouses or worse. Not to mention the lack of > lateral support when things got hairy. > Cardinal Biggles, the comfy Chair! > TIA > Fraser > P.S. > Am also following the SE colour discussion with great interest. Shame > there's no hard evidence, or a good description, the idea of a blood red > camel or Triplane. Ni-i-ice. > > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 05:59:42 -0800 (PST) From: MARK MILLER To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: re: New look for the site Message-ID: <20021207135942.95952.qmail@web80004.mail.yahoo.com> Grzegorz Thanks for pointing this out. I'll put it on the list. Anybody want to take a stab at revising this section? I'm sure there's a lot of this sort of thing. The site been around for a long while, and there's bound to be old or outdated content laying around. Now is not the time to be overly polite. If you see something wrong or out of date, or that you just don't like.. go ahead and say something. And we will consider it. Allan suggested the idea - he won't be hurt. I think we can all agree that the wwi modelers site is BY FAR the best place on the web for anybody interested in the topic. We just want to spruce it up a bit ;-) Mark > >From: "Grzegorz Mazurowski" > > > >At the same time you can correct this: > >"Eduard is a small company from England that > produces a small line of > > >super detailed models which include extensive > amounts of photo-etched > > >brass parts. [snip]... ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 09:43:41 -0500 From: ot811 To: Subject: Re: Morane structure qn Message-ID: <20021207143832.A3E084640A4@mail.mailsnare.net> Shane, >I still think you need to look at the whole structure. The "M" shape >of the >undercarriage forms a truss with the lower fuselage crossmember and >axle ------- yes, I understand, upto this point.... >which are braced at top and bottom by wires which are at very nearly >the >same angle as they'd be if installed internally. ------ I dont follow ths part. I cant imagine any of those wires improving the rigidity of *fuselage former*. I visualize the wing to be a rigid structure which floats above the fuselage like a seesaw. It (through the flying wires) cannot counteract any lateral forces. >Add that to the very strong likelihood that the former at that >station is >somewhat more massive (or strengthened with metal sheet or brackets) >and the >additional cross member about the level of the bottom of the fuel >tank ------- yes, that is visible in the photo. This is a reasonable compensation for missing X-wires (as Michael stated). Add to that low tolerance to cross-wind landing, and it is easy to imagine that there were no X-wires there. regards Sanjeev ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Dec 2002 15:00:27 +0000 From: Dave Fleming To: Subject: Re: ABC Dragonfly engine Message-ID: <1039273227.3df20d0b3cdd2@netmail.pipex.net> Quoting peter leonard : > You may well be right Neil, and you have a source which is more than I > Even so, looking at the Jupiter, that's where I'd start for a model > conversion. A Lindberg Bulldog should do the trick. What remains of the > kit can be converted in it's turn (OT-wise, the upside down fuselage has > a M1c in it) and won't be wasted Not in 1/72 it won't :-) D ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 10:11:51 -0500 From: "Steven Perry" To: Subject: Re: ABC Dragonfly engine Message-ID: <00d201c29e02$f86cd380$20244918@tampabay.rr.com> > Not in 1/72 it won't :-) Dave: I have an Airfix Bulldog and the engine is quite nice. Give me a holler off list and I'll send you a scan. You'll be able to tell from that if you can use it. sp ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Dec 2002 09:46:38 -0600 From: "Matt Bittner" To: "wwi@wwi-models.org" Subject: re: New look for the site Message-ID: On Sat, 7 Dec 2002 09:00:57 -0500 (EST), MARK MILLER wrote: > Anybody want to take a stab at revising this section? And this is part of the problem. While there are three of us currently working on the site, it still is extremely helpful for people to take something "as their own", and modify it it accordingly. Case in point is D's vac page. It's all his - Allan just formats it into HTML and sticks it up on the site. Heck, if I could convince Allan to add MySQL and PHP to the server, all this could be a lot easier. ;-) Matt Bittner WW1 Modeling Page Assistant Editor ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Dec 2002 10:24:17 -0800 From: "David C. Fletcher" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Saturday Afternoon Modeling Message-ID: <3DF23CD1.1050608@mars.ark.com> Steven Perry wrote: <...Any other suggestions for an OT name...> Clipped-wing Bleriots were known as 'penguins', but you can't call a parrot after another bird. That lets out 'Albatros' too. And you wouldn't get away with calling it 'Fokker'. 'Bloody Paralyzer' is a bit too long and so is 'dreidekker'. Perhaps you should observe his flight characteristics and name him in honour of someone who augered in? 'Mannock' maybe? Dave Fletcher ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 10:33:08 -0800 From: Ray To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Best 1/72 German Lozenge Decals : (4 color and 5 co Message-ID: <200212071033.08847.Ray_Boorman@telus.net> I have used the Almark decals, I like the tones on them and as Pedro said they go on very well. They also react well to most of the decal softeners. Even Solvaset. Pity they are so hard to find now! Ray ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 4827 **********************