WWI Digest 4784 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Cast report by "Pedro Soares" 2) re: Choroszy Nieuport 17c by "Matt Bittner" 3) Re: new pilot on the roster by "Matt Bittner" 4) Need Russian Carbine info by ot811 5) Re: Need Russian Carbine info by "Richard Bilak" 6) Re: Need Russian Carbine info by Tom Plesha 7) Sculpey by "Steven Perry" 8) Re: Need Russian Carbine info by ot811 9) Oil Washes by "Steven Perry" 10) Re: Need Russian Carbine info by "Richard Bilak" 11) Re: Oil Washes by "Michael Kendix" 12) Re: Cast report by Larry Marshall 13) Re: Sculpey by Larry Marshall 14) $$$$$$$ 1/72 House Cleaning $$$$$$$$$$ by "Richard Bilak" 15) Re: Need Russian Carbine info by "Steven Perry" 16) re: Choroszy Nieuport 17c by "Pit Viper" 17) Re: Oil Washes by "Steven Perry" 18) Re: Oil Washes by "Shane Weier" 19) re: Choroszy Nieuport 17c by "Michael Kendix" 20) re: Choroszy Nieuport 17c by "Michael Kendix" 21) Re: Need Russian Carbine info by "Shane Weier" 22) Re: Need Russian Carbine info by ot811 23) Re: Sculpey by Tom Sollers 24) DrI build is alive again. by "Ross & Wendy Moorhouse" 25) Q: Would you like to lose your ACCENT? by Jackie W 26) Re: Need Russian Carbine info by "Shane Weier" 27) Re: DrI build is alive again. by "Shane Weier" 28) Re: DrI build is alive again. by "Ross & Wendy Moorhouse" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 01:13:38 -0000 From: "Pedro Soares" To: Subject: Cast report Message-ID: <003f01c28dd6$8f43d3e0$0a465451@netcabo.pt> Well, the dice are rolled! I made a box out of legos and layed a nice flat bed of modelling clay. I then inserted into it the Frenetic Exhaust Master. (I think I've chosen quite a tough one to begin with since its full of compound curves and it's ooohhh so tiny....) Next I weighed 50 g of rubber with my kitchen scales and since I didn't have any way of weigheing 2,5 g of accelerator I measured 2,5 ml with a pipette (finger tripple-crossed mode since density is a complex thing). I mixed the stuff throuroughly and laid it over the mould box. Will have to wait 24 h to see the results.... I suspect that too much accelerator won't do much harm, but if on the other hand what I put into the rubber wasn't enough the thing won't probably cure, am I right? Pedro ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 19:07:12 -0600 From: "Matt Bittner" To: "wwi@wwi-models.org" Subject: re: Choroszy Nieuport 17c Message-ID: On Sat, 16 Nov 2002 11:23:25 -0500 (EST), Grzegorz Mazurowski wrote: > I've came, I've seen it, I've got it! Cool, thanks for the review. Too bad they still have the fuselage wrong, but at least it's a better start than others. Then again, at $22 each (at least from Karaya) you won't be building an Escadrille with them (unfortunately). Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 19:09:37 -0600 From: "Matt Bittner" To: "wwi@wwi-models.org" Subject: Re: new pilot on the roster Message-ID: > > Another soon-to-be WWI Aero fanatic has just entered the world. > > > > Benjamin Dan Sheftall, 7lbs. 10oz, was born 0400hrs November 14, 2002 in > > Hamamatsu, Japan. Congratulations!!! Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 20:16:16 -0500 From: ot811 To: wwi-list Subject: Need Russian Carbine info Message-ID: <20021117011122.27FDE464196@mail.mailsnare.net> Hello, For my Soviet Morane-Saulnier Type L, I am constructing a russian carbine, as carried in the observer's cockpit. The specific gun is called the " 3-lineinaya karabin 1891/1910 goda", which I suppose was a carbine version of the standard army rifle Russkaya 3-lineinaya vintovka obrajets 1891 goda. For source I have an excellent line drawing of the carbine from Harry Woodmans Early aircraft armament pg 89, but I would like photos for painting reference. Any help with photos will be greatly appreciated, failing which, I would like help with identifying certain parts of the gun. Thanks in advance Sanjeev ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 16:32:43 -0900 From: "Richard Bilak" To: Subject: Re: Need Russian Carbine info Message-ID: <005601c28dd9$3ab427a0$f880ed18@bilak.micronet.net> Hi Sanjeev, Rick Bilak here, I have B+W photos of the Mosin- Nagant carbine. What can I do to help you? Cheers, Rick -----Original Message----- From: ot811 To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Saturday, November 16, 2002 4:17 PM Subject: [WWI] Need Russian Carbine info >Hello, > For my Soviet Morane-Saulnier Type L, I am constructing a russian >carbine, as carried in the observer's cockpit. > The specific gun is called the " 3-lineinaya karabin 1891/1910 >goda", which I suppose was a carbine version of the standard army >rifle Russkaya 3-lineinaya vintovka obrajets 1891 goda. > >For source I have an excellent line drawing of the carbine from Harry >Woodmans Early aircraft armament pg 89, > but I would like photos for painting reference. >Any help with photos will be greatly appreciated, failing which, I >would like help with identifying certain parts of the gun. >Thanks in advance >Sanjeev > > > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 17:35:33 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Plesha To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Need Russian Carbine info Message-ID: <20021117013533.19098.qmail@web40306.mail.yahoo.com> Hi SSH- --- ot811 wrote: > Hello, > For my Soviet Morane-Saulnier Type L, I am > constructing a russian > carbine, as carried in the observer's cockpit. SNIP > For source I have an excellent line drawing of the > carbine from Harry > Woodmans Early aircraft armament pg 89, > but I would like photos for painting reference. > Any help with photos will be greatly appreciated, > failing which, I > would like help with identifying certain parts of > the gun. .. WHAT PARTS .. Contact me and we can discuss the drawing, etc. .. Later Tom .. > Thanks in advance > Sanjeev > > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site http://webhosting.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 20:39:55 -0500 From: "Steven Perry" To: Subject: Sculpey Message-ID: <002701c28dda$3b74ea20$63244918@tampabay.rr.com> I've seen several threads about Sculpey, but not ever having seen the stuff, I didn't pay a lot of attention. I picked up a little bock of this stuff today and now I'm wondering what I can do with it and how. TIA sp ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 20:42:14 -0500 From: ot811 To: Subject: Re: Need Russian Carbine info Message-ID: <20021117013719.A2D9046417E@mail.mailsnare.net> Rick, I did not know that this was also known as "Mosin-Nagant". I will do an internet search on it. 2 questions for you: 1- behind the receiver there is something protruding up. It looks like the cocking-spur of a hammer - which doesnt make sense to me since this looks like a bolt-action rifle. 2- the part behind the bolt : is it wood or metal. If my question is not clear, I can send you a scanned drawing. thanks Sanjeev ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 20:47:42 -0500 From: "Steven Perry" To: Subject: Oil Washes Message-ID: <003501c28ddb$5190e600$63244918@tampabay.rr.com> I broke down today and bought a tube of Mars black and burnt umber oil paints. I have some odorless turprntine I planned to use as the thinner. My question is how do I apply the stuff? I have done panel lines in india ink before and the technique there is to use a fine pointed brush to apply it directly in the panel line and then blot up any spooges with a damp swab. I will be applying this over a good coat of Future. Is the application similar or do you paint the whole piece with a "wash" TIA sp ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 16:54:19 -0900 From: "Richard Bilak" To: Subject: Re: Need Russian Carbine info Message-ID: <007101c28ddc$3e894420$f880ed18@bilak.micronet.net> No Problem, 1. the part you are refering to is called the "cocking piece" and is round, although looking at a picture it could be confused with a cocking spur. 2. The part behind the bolt is metal. If you would like I can send you a scan of a section view with all the parts labeled. HTH, Rick -----Original Message----- From: ot811 To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Saturday, November 16, 2002 4:44 PM Subject: [WWI] Re: Need Russian Carbine info >Rick, > I did not know that this was also known as "Mosin-Nagant". I >will do an internet search on it. >2 questions for you: >1- behind the receiver there is something protruding up. It looks >like the cocking-spur of a hammer - which doesnt make sense to me >since this looks like a bolt-action rifle. >2- the part behind the bolt : is it wood or metal. If my question is >not clear, I can send you a scanned drawing. >thanks >Sanjeev > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 01:55:12 +0000 From: "Michael Kendix" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Oil Washes Message-ID: >From: "Steven Perry" > >I broke down today and bought a tube of Mars black and burnt umber oil >paints. I have some odorless turprntine I planned to use as the >thinner. This is the same mixture I use, except Ihave a different oil paint brand - no big deal there. >My question is how do I apply the stuff? I have done panel lines in >india >ink before and the technique there is to use a fine pointed >brush to apply >it directly in the panel line and then blot up any >spooges with a damp >swab. >I will be applying this over a good coat of Future. Is the application >similar or do you paint the whole piece with a "wash" The oil wash should not affect the Future, however, you may find the gloss surface just won't hold the oil wash - I do it on a matte surface. I recommend that first, you take a clean brush, with plain Turpenoid and cover the surface so things don't get blotchy. Then you can use the small brush and it should wick into the panel lines. Clean up with swabs or I use little make-up applicators made of sponges. If you have any enamel paint not covered, the Turpenoid wash will damage it. Michael _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 20:56:19 -0500 From: Larry Marshall To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Cast report Message-ID: <200211162056.19114.larrym@sympatico.ca> > quite a tough one to begin with since its full of compound curves and it's > ooohhh so tiny....) You might be surprised. > Next I weighed 50 g of rubber with my kitchen scales and since I didn't > have any way of weigheing 2,5 g of accelerator I measured 2,5 ml with a > pipette (finger tripple-crossed mode since density is a complex thing). I > mixed the stuff throuroughly and laid it over the mould box. Will have to > wait 24 h to see the results.... This is the principle reason I've moved to 1:1 mix RTVs. For small batches the accuracy requirement when dealing with small amounts is just too hard to get right in my opinion and since there's an easy solution (use different stuff) that's what I've done. > I suspect that too much accelerator won't do much harm, but if on the other > hand what I put into the rubber wasn't enough the thing won't probably > cure, am I right? I suppose it's better to err on that side but any significant errors seem to cause problems. I'm sure it'll be fine. The stuff the Micro-Mark sells is nice because the mold set-time is only 4h so not only do you get the 1:1 mixing but you get a mold much quickly. -- Cheers --- Larry ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 21:01:33 -0500 From: Larry Marshall To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Sculpey Message-ID: <200211162101.33938.larrym@sympatico.ca> > I picked up a little bock of this stuff today and now I'm wondering what I > can do with it and how. Make stuff :-) Anything you can carve from it will form a nice, hard part after you bake it. One thing I've noticed recently is that Sculpey now has a 'clay' that dries flexible. It's sold in kits so kids can make erasers for the ends of pencils and stuff. My immediate thought was that the flexible nature of it may allow it to be used for quick molds of anything you can just push into clay to make a mold and maybe a bit more since it's flexible. I haven't bought any though. -- Cheers --- Larry ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 17:08:42 -0900 From: "Richard Bilak" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Subject: $$$$$$$ 1/72 House Cleaning $$$$$$$$$$ Message-ID: <000101c28dde$417a85c0$f880ed18@bilak.micronet.net> Greetings, I'm in the process of cleaning and thinning my model stash. The following items are on topic for this list. Beechnut resin Fokker D.VIII w/ Roden D.VIII enough parts and decals to do I aircraft $6.00 Pegasus Sopwith Snipe $6.00 Pegasus Sopwith Salamander $6.00 Pegasus Siemans-Schuckert D.III $6.00 Hit Kit LVG C.V $6.00 Hit Kit Albatros D.III (Offag) 253 3 bagged kits Hit Kit Albatros D.III (Offag) 153 2 bagged kits All 5 bagged kits $20.00 Entex Early Birds 3 model kit, "Pioneers of the Air" Voison-Farman 1908 Antoinette 1908 De Havilland #1 1910 $10.00 I will trade the whole lot plus shipping for Rodens Albatros D.III offag 53, 153, 253 and Fokker D.VII Albatros late. Shipping is extra from Anchorage,Alaska. These are all 1/72 so postage won't be that much 1st class. I do have some "Golden Age" 1/72 kits both injected and vacs if anyone is interested. Thanks For Looking, Rick Bilak ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 21:12:15 -0500 From: "Steven Perry" To: Subject: Re: Need Russian Carbine info Message-ID: <003e01c28dde$bfee0b20$63244918@tampabay.rr.com> No photos or drawings, just a few recollections. I believe I had one of these or at least something very close. I wasn't sure what it was and took it to a gun shop. There the owner & I looked it up in a book he had. Seems the original mechanism was designed for Russian infantry rifles in WWI and then cut down to carbine size. Mine had been manufactured in 1941 and captured in Viet Nam. Looked like it had been dragged down the Ho Chi Minn Trail behind a bicycle. Had russian and Chineese characters stamped in the metal. I do not recall the manufacturer 25 years later, but it seems it was a hyphenated name. The gun was 7.62 calibre. We rooted around in boxes of loose ammo the shop had and found a handfull of cartridges that would fit. So it was out to the Police rifle range to check it out. We walk out on the range. Bap, bap bap-bap. All these nice .22 cal target rifles were tearing up targets. The siren sounds, the fusalide ceases and the targets come back for retrieval. We installed our target, the siren sounded, and the targets retreated toward the other end of the range. Another siren and bap, bap bap-bap, the .22s start up. BWHAMMMMMmmmmm, the 22s stop and all heads turn toward me and then all heads turn toward the mound of dirt behind the targets from which was billowing white phosphorus smoke. Seems I'd been sold a tracer round of some sort. That ugly thing kicked like a mule. From the wack that I got, yes the stock was tight to my sholder, I would not have been able to fire that gun from my Cessna 150 without rocking the plane. Don't mis-understand, I never fired a gun from a plane, just that the recoil from that weapon was pretty powerful and definitely would be noticable in a MoS. sp ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 21:14:07 -0500 From: "Pit Viper" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: re: Choroszy Nieuport 17c Message-ID: Hi Grzegorz. What is the IM site and how do I get to it? Also do you have a URL for Choroszy? Thank you. Pete >From: "Grzegorz Mazurowski" >Reply-To: wwi@wwi-models.org >To: Multiple recipients of list >Subject: [WWI] re: Choroszy Nieuport 17c Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 11:23:27 >-0500 (EST) > >Hi folks! >I've came, I've seen it, I've got it! >This kit is generally very good and very accurate, moulding is very high >quality, but kit was made in "haste mode" - it is, as Matt suggested, >Nieuport 17 bis with a new fuselage/engine cowling parts - and the fuselage >halves are only a refined Revell fuselage halves. Fuselage has very fine >surfaces, some nice details on the exterior (good lacing), front oval >panels >are excellently scribed, but the tail is "undernuorished" - too shallow, >like Revell's. It isn't a big problem, small plastic wedge and a bit of >putty does it, but it's a pity. >Of course all the interior details (rudder, stick, "kick-pads" etc.) are on >the usual high Choroszy level. Also the wings and tail are perfect IMHO, >lower wing is in two parts, as the big hole in the fuselage is filled. >Decals schemes are two: one Polish, like on the Choroszy website, and the >second is Nungesser's mount with black hearth, the same set of decals than >in Nieuport 25 - you can see it in my review of the Nie. 25 in IM (it is >correct as the serials are the same on all Nungesser's planes). >Generally, kit is very good, and the only problem is with fuselage halves - >but if you decide to correct the fuselage rear area (which is very easy) >you'll have excellent model. >G. _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 21:32:30 -0500 From: "Steven Perry" To: Subject: Re: Oil Washes Message-ID: <005201c28de1$93ac5d20$63244918@tampabay.rr.com> Just tried it. Works great. I can see a lot of potential here. Thanks sp > The oil wash should not affect the Future, however, you may find the gloss > surface just won't hold the oil wash - I do it on a matte surface. I > recommend that first, you take a clean brush, with plain Turpenoid and cover > the surface so things don't get blotchy. Then you can use the small brush > and it should wick into the panel lines. Clean up with swabs or I use > little make-up applicators made of sponges. If you have any enamel paint > not covered, the Turpenoid wash will damage it. > > Michael > > _________________________________________________________________ > The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 13:05:40 +1000 From: "Shane Weier" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Oil Washes Message-ID: SP >I broke down today and bought a tube of Mars black and burnt umber oil >paints. I have some odorless turprntine I planned to use as the thinner. > >My question is how do I apply the stuff? I have done panel lines in india >ink before and the technique there is to use a fine pointed brush to apply >it directly in the panel line and then blot up any spooges with a damp >swab. > >I will be applying this over a good coat of Future. I do exactly that, except for using Paynes Grey instead of Mars Black (and throwing in a tiny touch of Indian Red or ultramarine to make it warner or cooler on some paint colours) >Is the application >similar or do you paint the whole piece with a "wash" You *can* do that, but I'd only do so over a grill like a radiator, otherwise the paintwork becomes extra grubby FWIW - and I find that no two modellers ever do weathering exactly teh same way with similar success! Shane _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 03:11:40 +0000 From: "Michael Kendix" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: re: Choroszy Nieuport 17c Message-ID: Pete: IM is Internet Modeler. The current issue is at: http://www.internetmodeler.com/ and you can go to the archives from the contents page. Gzregorz's piece is in the March 2002 issue at: (watch the wrap) http://www.internetmodeler.com/2002/march/first-looks/Choroszy_N25.htm Michael _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 03:14:11 +0000 From: "Michael Kendix" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: re: Choroszy Nieuport 17c Message-ID: Pete: Sorry, I forgot the Chorszy link: http://www.modelbud.pl/ All these links are on the WWI Modeling web site. Michael _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 13:14:57 +1000 From: "Shane Weier" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Need Russian Carbine info Message-ID: SP is... >We installed our target, the siren sounded, and the targets >retreated toward the other end of the range. Another siren and bap, bap >bap-bap, the .22s start up. BWHAMMMMMmmmmm, the 22s stop and all heads turn >toward me and then all heads turn toward the mound of dirt behind the >targets from which was billowing white phosphorus smoke. Seems I'd been >sold >a tracer round of some sort. .... a certifiable looney. LOL, I don't know about it being tracer - the ones I fired from M-60's and Brens usually just leave a visible light and faint trail from behind though if it was old enough God only knows. > >That ugly thing kicked like a mule. From the wack that I got, yes the stock >was tight to my sholder, I would not have been able to fire that gun from >my >Cessna 150 without rocking the plane. Not unlike a SMLE carbine. The lighter the weapon the harder the kick for the same cartridge of course, so the cut down weapon would be a little more entertaining than the full deal. Multifaroius bruises no doubt..... Shane _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 22:34:45 -0500 From: ot811 To: Subject: Re: Need Russian Carbine info Message-ID: <20021117032949.46FCE464075@mail.mailsnare.net> To get this OT ---- I remember reading someplace that the WW1 era rounds rounds were much less powerful than the modern day equivalent. If so, the recoil would be relatively easy to handle in a MoSa-L. The french also regularly carried the Berthier carbine in their MoSaLs. regards Sanjeev ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 22:40:04 -0500 From: Tom Sollers To: Subject: Re: Sculpey Message-ID: Hey there, Steve! > I picked up a little bock of this stuff today and now I'm wondering what I > can do with it and how. I've been a big fan of Sculpey for years. All the figures in my gallery were done in Sculpey. I especially like the ProMat variety (which I believe is now replaced with a newer product). This is (was) their "Professional Material". Much firmer and very opaque. One big warning though... AVOID CONTACT WITH STYRENE!!!!! The resin in Sculpey changes the structure. The styrene melts and becomes gooey after it remains in contact for a while. I'm talking uncured Sculpey here. Contact with cured Sculpey is probably OK. Another material that I've found a variety of uses for is Magic-Sculpt. Mike Good told me about this stuff. Comes in separate containers of resin and hardener. Can be smoothed with a wet fingertip or tool. Cures without firing. Very hard. Carve it. Sand it. Doesn't appear to shrink. I've been using it to fill seams and build up areas on kits. Not as good as body putty, but almost. Cheers! Tom ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 16:32:31 +1100 From: "Ross & Wendy Moorhouse" To: Subject: DrI build is alive again. Message-ID: <00c901c28dfa$b9a78860$9a4e2dcb@future> After letting the DrI sit for a few days I have had a good look at the damage in the daylight. It would seem that a bit of wet and dry will in fact remove the glue/Big Kev's Goo Remover damage. I had slipt the fuselage to see if I could remove the work I had done in there. Which I couldn't without trashing the PE framework. So now its glued back together and being held in place not with sticky tape but a small plastic clamp. 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I've also fired thousands of .308 (7.62mm rimless NATO) rounds from an SLR and thousands of .223 rimless from an M-16 The SMLE is accurate to much greater ranges than the modern military rifles, and kicks harder than an SLR and massively harder than those girly little plastic M-16's. Largely the accuracy is due to the bolt action but muzzle velocity plays a part too. Shane (who always marvelled at his grandfathers accuracy using a SMLE, at which he competed right up to his death) _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 15:55:13 +1000 From: "Shane Weier" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: DrI build is alive again. Message-ID: Ross says: >So now its glued back together and being held in >place not with sticky tape but a small plastic clamp. Be carefull the plastic clamo doesn't get glued to the plastic fuselage That'll be $20 Who's next to see into the future? Shane _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 17:16:40 +1100 From: "Ross & Wendy Moorhouse" To: Subject: Re: DrI build is alive again. Message-ID: <00d301c28e00$e49947b0$9a4e2dcb@future> More like I would glue one of the kids to the clamp... ;-) Cheers Ross ----- Original Message ----- From: "Shane Weier" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2002 4:56 PM Subject: [WWI] Re: DrI build is alive again. > Ross says: > > >So now its glued back together and being held in > >place not with sticky tape but a small plastic clamp. > > > > Be carefull the plastic clamo doesn't get glued to the plastic fuselage > > That'll be $20 > > Who's next to see into the future? > > Shane > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > > ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 4784 **********************