WWI Digest 4779 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Gleaned from Hyperscale........... by xtv16@dial.pipex.com 2) Re: Another decal question.... by xtv16@dial.pipex.com 3) RE: Another decal question.... by xtv16@dial.pipex.com 4) Re: Taxis of the Marne by "Diego Fernetti" 5) Re: Another decal question.... by "Shane Weier" 6) Re: Squadron's kit of the year by "Diego Fernetti" 7) Re: Hey Diego...Re: SANITARY WARES MANUFACTORY IN CHINA by "Diego Fernetti" 8) Re: Casting a spell by "Diego Fernetti" 9) Re: Spad 19 by Crawford Neil 10) Re: Mark's additions by "Diego Fernetti" 11) Re: Spad 19 by "Diego Fernetti" 12) Re Squadron and Roden etc etc. by "NEIL EDDY" 13) Re: Posting problems by "Diego Fernetti" 14) Special Hobby Spad VII has a big side panel.. by "Ross & Wendy Moorhouse" 15) 4778th's by Ken Schmitt 16) Re: Re Squadron and Roden etc etc. by "Diego Fernetti" 17) Re: Special Hobby Spad VII has a big side panel.. by Volker Haeusler 18) Re: Squadron, Roden etc by Ken Schmitt 19) RE: Flying Fury and belated invitations by Crawford Neil 20) Re: Special Hobby Spad VII has a big side panel.. by "Ross & Wendy Moorhouse" 21) Re: Special Hobby Spad VII has a big side panel.. by "Shane Weier" 22) Re: Special Hobby Spad VII has a big side panel.. by Volker Haeusler 23) Re: odd duck Spads by Ken Schmitt 24) Re: Special Hobby Spad VII has a big side panel.. by Crawford Neil 25) RE: Special Hobby Spad VII has a big side panel.. by "Tomasz Gronczewski" 26) Re: Special Hobby Spad VII has a big side panel.. by "Ross & Wendy Moorhouse" 27) Re: odd duck Spads by Crawford Neil 28) RE: Special Hobby Spad VII has a big side panel.. by "Ross & Wendy Moorhouse" 29) Re: Casting a spell by "Pedro N. Soares" 30) Re: Special Hobby Spad VII has a big side panel.. by Crawford Neil 31) Re: Special Hobby Spad VII has a big side panel.. by "Shane Weier" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 10:16:30 +0000 From: xtv16@dial.pipex.com To: Subject: Re: Gleaned from Hyperscale........... Message-ID: <1037355390.3dd4c97eef616@netmail.pipex.net> Quoting Shane Weier : > Posted just the way I read it............ >> ALERT! New kits 1/72! COMING SOON!!! > Thu Nov 14 21:45:31 2002 > 195.138.67.66 > > Hi All! > > New manufacturer Olimp Models (Ukraine) is going for release of aircraft > > kits (injection) 1/72. > Curtiss Jenny JN-4D early (74 parts) and Curtiss N-9H ( 96 parts) at the > end > of January, 2003. > Curtiss JN-4D late (74 parts), Curtiss JN-4H (74 parts) and Cutiss > JN-4HG > (78 parts) in current 2003 No JN4a/JN3? Boo Hoo (Actually waaahaaayyy!!) dave Fleming ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 10:18:46 +0000 From: xtv16@dial.pipex.com To: Subject: Re: Another decal question.... Message-ID: <1037355526.3dd4ca0627def@netmail.pipex.net> Quoting Shane Weier : > Mmmm. I wonder if I have anything Italian? A better RFC option? > > Go on - paint it PC10 - YOU KNOW YOU WANT TO!! Dave F ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 10:22:09 +0000 From: xtv16@dial.pipex.com To: Subject: RE: Another decal question.... Message-ID: <1037355729.3dd4cad1aa52c@netmail.pipex.net> Quoting Crawford Neil : > Shane is getting a Spad 7, and thinking of RFC markings. > Wouldn't that be a great idea for a cook-up, French aircraft > in RFC markings, there'd be Spads, Nieuports, Moranes, > did the RFC ever get any Breguets? > /Neil C. > There were some early Breugeuts used by the RNAS. NO 14s or anysuch. Not forgetting RFC Caudrons, Bleriots and Farmans ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 07:36:03 -0300 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: Subject: Re: Taxis of the Marne Message-ID: <00bd01c28c92$cc0097e0$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Dame Karen wrote: > While rummaging through boxes of old kits and parts, I discovered I have > a kit for a 1907 Renault taxicab. True? Lucky lady! I always wanted to make a "Taxis de la Marne" diorama, and I even discussed the conversion of a SMER landaulet in 1/32 into a Renault Taxi cab with Robert K.0 > Does anyone know if there was a standard color for 1914 Paris taxicabs? > Like the London cabs are still all black. And Yellow Cabs are...yellow. Well the Invalides at Paris is preserving one of the surviving taxis and it is wine red http://www.invalides.org/invalidesgb/sommairegb/collectionsgb/guerresmondial esgb/gm1gb/pageaccueilgm1gb.htm watch the wrap! but I read somewhere that they may have been dark yellow or black. Looks like a French version of Timm's tales, huh? > If I do this little scene, what color can I paint the > body/frame/wheels of my Marne-bound taxi? My guess is towards a red body/black frame and wheels. This seems like a standard scheme to me. > Did the taxi drivers wear > uniforms? Or civvies? The wore smal round caps -some with small insignias- and overcoats of linen or waxed cloth. > I've already tried a search for the subject and found no better info > than the above site send me a note offlist f you want a few pictures. D. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 20:39:15 +1000 From: "Shane Weier" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Another decal question.... Message-ID: Dave >Quoting Shane Weier : > > > Mmmm. I wonder if I have anything Italian? A better RFC option? > > >Go on - paint it PC10 - YOU KNOW YOU WANT TO!! > > HEY ! You're right! There were whole bunches of them is tastefull PC.10 with black dumbells on teh side to show what I think of French aircraft :-) Shane (Who is actually quite chuffed to get a SPAD VII which is still a serious hole in my collection. A pity SWMBO was deaf to my entreaties that they come cheaper if you buy them by the case) _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 08:01:30 -0300 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: Subject: Re: Squadron's kit of the year Message-ID: <01ed01c28c96$5a1e1860$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Ken wrote: > I took Karen's suggestion and ordered from Europe. The new Visible Strutter. > One hopes it too has dropable bombs and operable landing gear...I'll have to > supply my own engine noises, I guess....Diego? The engine noises are in a small poly bag at the side of the box. Inside that bag, a Roden worker mutters "RrrrrrrRrrrr" and then seals it with a heating machine. High modelling technology, huh? D. You may notice a faint garlic smell attached to the engine noises. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 08:09:03 -0300 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: Subject: Re: Hey Diego...Re: SANITARY WARES MANUFACTORY IN CHINA Message-ID: <01f801c28c97$685ef880$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Robert K. wrote: > Welcome back!.....now- you have some brain food to chew- check the posting > below that appeared while you were away.....and get to work on it as only you > can! Thanks Robert! What? Brain food? And I thought I was having good meals. Must talk to this guy Lecter.... > Longtai sanitary wares is one of the professional mixers manufacturer in > china, With over decade years of experienced in this line........ Decade years. Wow. And I was thinking that this year was taking too long to end. > By eagaging the professional personnel, > adopting strict quality management on cartridge and body, Management on cartridge? Send me a box of it, we need it badly!!! > nowadays.............. > Come to us and find what a teal place for making your sanitary wares > now!! What else can I do? These translators already did all the jokes I could have thought of! D. What a teal place! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 08:24:14 -0300 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: Subject: Re: Casting a spell Message-ID: <020b01c28c99$875e8a00$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Dave F asked about dentist supplies: > Do you get it from work ? 'For journalistic research Senor Dentist' In fact that's a good idea! ;-) No, I just have asked to my good doc Rubén, to whom I have more confidence and feels fascinated to know that their arts can be used in making models. He himself is a sculptor, as he teachs techniques at the local university, he has made some tiny sculptures in acrilic with his power tools to show his pupils the versatility of the different tools and grinds. The results are amazing. Some tricks to make very thin fuselage walls were gleaned from his advices and experience. > Have you sorted out the biggest problem facing newly weds - who has which side > of the bed? It depends on where I fall... not an issue, really D. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 12:24:23 +0100 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: Re: Spad 19 Message-ID: No thats the Spad 18, if memory hasn't failed me again. One of the few, 'orrible looking Spads! /Neil C. I recall an article by Colin Owers in Windsock dealing with a > late model > Spad with strange angled struts, but I can't recall if this > one was a XIX or > not. > BTW I'm very glad today, the friendly postman left me a > reminder on the > mailbox to go get a package from the states with a BOOK in > it! Must be the > FMP tome at last! yipeee! > D. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 08:28:33 -0300 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: Subject: Re: Mark's additions Message-ID: <021501c28c9a$21f5bc00$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> I was contacted by Rodrigo about the decor of this same model (he was inspired by Hustad's model on the website). He is an Argentinian living in Sapin since a few years ago. He likes to fly indoor models and has done some intersting buils, like fokker and sopwith triplanes, and a Pup, IIRC I have some more pictures of his works, if someone want's them send me a holler off list. D. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Crawford Neil" > > I thought the Pfalz was ever so nice, I like the clean finish. > > Also saw that we got a new Argentinean(?) addition, Rodriguo > > Laboureau has sent in a very nice Alb DIII peanut. > > /Neil C. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 08:33:08 -0300 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: Subject: Re: Spad 19 Message-ID: <022801c28c9a$c5ae9380$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Neil from Thor's neighborhood wrote: > No thats the Spad 18, if memory hasn't failed me again. > One of the few, 'orrible looking Spads! Well I failed just for one! Near enough for me. D. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 22:35:47 +1100 From: "NEIL EDDY" To: Subject: Re Squadron and Roden etc etc. Message-ID: <001901c28c9b$2538e3a0$918686cb@default> Hi All; Whilst I agree totally that larger stores offer better economies of scale than smaller concerns and that manufacturers prefer bulk orders to small, not everything that is big is beautiful, nor is it necessarily cheap. I have ordered from modelling and book stores all over the world (Why I've even ordered from Perth!) and generally that almost all gave polite, efficient and prompt service. Overall I have found smaller stores to be usually more polite and responsive than any of the 'majors'. When we decide to order from someone we accept their terms and conditions as part of the transaction. These are generally not a point for negotiation in my experience. Just because they do things differently from what we would like is immaterial really. If you want their product, you'll accept that, if not go elsewhere. Often I have found the 'majors' to be expensive and sometimes have prohibitive ordering rules in comparison with smaller outlets in other countries that carry the same stocks. I have priced certain Tamiya ot kits from Squadron et al and compared them with smaller outfits overseas and found them expensive in comparison. Thus I buy from the smaller concern. Overall the consumer decides whether market players survive but larger concerns with monopolistic impulses distort the market through tactics such as 'exclusivity'. A few individual bad experiences do not necessarily cover a whole sector of the market, nor are they always even representative of the company directly concerned in every instance. Just another 5 cents AUD worth.... Neil ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 08:40:09 -0300 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: Subject: Re: Posting problems Message-ID: <023f01c28c9b$c09672e0$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Shane the elk cooker wrote: > FWIW since I started using a hotmail account to avoid using work email the > "set wwi mail ack" command hasn't worked for me at all. I suspect that > hotmail is the culprit, not wwi-models, but it's still annoying not knowing > whether my posts have hit the ist or not Same here. I have set a hotmail account to see the list away from the office and everytime I send a message from that addy my own post gets in the "junk mail" instead of the regular list folder. I wonder if Hotmail is trying to make a comment about my postings here... D. B***dy Bill Doors ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 22:40:43 +1100 From: "Ross & Wendy Moorhouse" To: Subject: Special Hobby Spad VII has a big side panel.. Message-ID: <002f01c28c9b$d48a2d00$9a4e2dcb@future> Does anyone know why the Specail Hobby Spad VII has a big panel on the left hand side of the fuselage just under and to the rear of the cockpit ? I can't see it in any pics. Cheers Ross ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 05:55:21 -0600 From: Ken Schmitt To: Subject: 4778th's Message-ID: of course I meant 1" to 6 feet, that being the more common scale and the one of kings....of what, I've no idea what is 72 & 48? what's that? > 1" to 6' -Karl Kallibrashun ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 09:09:03 -0300 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: Subject: Re: Re Squadron and Roden etc etc. Message-ID: <024501c28c9f$d31a4c80$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Neil from where cane toads are imported goods wrote: > I have > ordered from modelling and book stores all over the world (Why I've even > ordered from Perth!) and generally that almost all gave polite, efficient > and prompt service. Overall I have found smaller stores to be usually more > polite and responsive than any of the 'majors'. One of the best customer services I've ever received was buying from SANDLE hobbies. I know, the shop is run by two listmembers, but I am so satisfied with the attention to detail and promptness to send the goodies that Ithought that I must mention it to anyone considering ordering from abroad. D. Just wihs that they had more airplanes and less shippies. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 20:14:20 +0800 From: Volker Haeusler To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Special Hobby Spad VII has a big side panel.. Message-ID: <000501c28bd7$5d8ac440$0301a8c0@com1> Ross, > Does anyone know why the Specail Hobby Spad VII has a big panel on the left > hand side of the fuselage just under and to the rear of the cockpit ? I > can't see it in any pics. Not sure whether the panel described fits into my interpretation, but does the SPAD VII come with an option for an aircraft that has "Photo" stencilled to it (on that very panel)? If so, that´s a removable panel to gain access to the camera behind. Definitely there was a Spad XIII photo single seater, which had such a panel - while I have not checked any references yet, there may have been a similar Spad VII version, which you can then most probably build from that kit. To bad you´ll have to remove it for 99 or so % of the Spads build.... Volker ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 06:20:46 -0600 From: Ken Schmitt To: Subject: Re: Squadron, Roden etc Message-ID: late, in digest- > As it is, they don't and so I won't. The exception that I've > dealt with in the US is Rosemont who DOES understand both of these things and > I always first check to see if I can get stuff from Barry before I order from > Squadron. Understood and exactly what I do. Happens to be where my recent episode started. Rosemount. Delighted...Recent experience with Squadron motivated, contrary to your good experience (and mine). Going to Europe direct is by way of trial to gauge experience. Some few items are only available this way. Big companies are always a mixed blessing. If on your side, their leverage is your benefit, if not on their side, their limitations become yours. An oaf's tyranny I can do without. . . > The best overseas service I've gotten has come from Aeroclub. They are truly > amazing, getting stuff to me from the UK faster than I can get it from the > US. Concur. I'd add BlueMax/Pegasus to that roster, as well. > I don't know how he does it. I told myself it was because they knew how to run a "proper mail order business". Never underestimate a Brit... ; ) fwiw, Math and the sciences have ultimately little to do with this. Most business owners are subjective as hell, speak of dirty little secrets, and if Math were all it took to spin the world, the markets would *never* fluctuate and would be entirely predictable. A basic model obtains, but the marketplace is as unscientific as a roulette wheel unless we are discussing more secure investments...innovation begins as conjecture, by definition. Consumers stampede to or from products like so many beany babies. go figure. If you think Math is the tool for gambling, how bout a game of Poker this weekend?? Think my schedule just freed up. = ) Cheers ---- Ken ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 13:21:52 +0100 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: RE: Flying Fury and belated invitations Message-ID: > > LOL! The book gets much better after the introduction. > Specially the latest > chapters, when Mc Cudden becomes a seasoned hunter. > Just started reading this properly, and it really is very good. One of the few of this type of book which makes me smile, McCudden would have fitted on this list. His account of starting a Caudron by mistake and subsequent 7 days of detention is quite hilarious. Quite a contrast to Fonck! I didn't realise that like Mannock, McCudden had a big Irish connection, (and a French Grandmother). /Neil C. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 23:23:59 +1100 From: "Ross & Wendy Moorhouse" To: Subject: Re: Special Hobby Spad VII has a big side panel.. Message-ID: <004d01c28ca1$e0101990$9a4e2dcb@future> No it doesn't come with a decal saying that or anywhere on the marking instructions. I have seen something said about this on the net but now can't find the reference. Cheers Ross ----- Original Message ----- From: "Volker Haeusler" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Friday, November 15, 2002 11:17 PM Subject: [WWI] Re: Special Hobby Spad VII has a big side panel.. > Ross, > > > Does anyone know why the Specail Hobby Spad VII has a big panel on the > left > > hand side of the fuselage just under and to the rear of the cockpit ? I > > can't see it in any pics. > > Not sure whether the panel described fits into my interpretation, but does > the SPAD VII come with an option for an aircraft that has "Photo" stencilled > to it (on that very panel)? > > If so, that´s a removable panel to gain access to the camera behind. > > Definitely there was a Spad XIII photo single seater, which had such a > panel - while I have not checked any references yet, there may have been a > similar Spad VII version, which you can then most probably build from that > kit. To bad you´ll have to remove it for 99 or so % of the Spads build.... > > Volker > > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 22:26:39 +1000 From: "Shane Weier" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Special Hobby Spad VII has a big side panel.. Message-ID: Ross >Does anyone know why the Specail Hobby Spad VII has a big panel on the left >hand side of the fuselage just under and to the rear of the cockpit ? I >can't see it in any pics. Maybe it's so the bogus panel on starboard side of the DML SPAD XIII doesn't feel lonely? Or it's representative of a very small number of aircraft that *do* have it for access to IIRC a camera. FWIW which is not much because I didn't look it up and my memory suffers from CRS syndrome and Oldtimers disease Shane _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 20:26:14 +0800 From: Volker Haeusler To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Special Hobby Spad VII has a big side panel.. Message-ID: <000f01c28bd9$0744aae0$0301a8c0@com1> Then again: I maybe should first look into some literature, before I react to a thread... I just opened the Osprey "Spad VII Aces of WW I" book, curious on whether I would find such a Spad, and the *first* photo I saw (the last one in the book - I obvioulsy started flipping through it from the back...) on p 87 shows Brook´s "Smith I" with a panel on the left side. Does not look like the panel I had in mind, but it might be the one depicted in the SH kit. Flipping through the rest of that book, I could not find a second similar aircraft (but I only glanced on the pages). No idea what THAT panel might be for... Volker ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 06:30:23 -0600 From: Ken Schmitt To: Subject: Re: odd duck Spads Message-ID: D! > I recall an article by Colin Owers in Windsock dealing with a late model > Spad with strange angled struts, but I can't recall if this one was a XIX or > not. The 22. A 7 fuse with radical wings. Upper - swept back, lower - swept forward. The mid-bay is the weird one. The front stick is canted well forward to accommodate the wing business. Then it has X braces as well, rather than the simpler lines we are used to seeing. From the looks of the pic, had three cabanes. 300 hp Hisso, 2 blade prop. hth Ken ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 13:31:11 +0100 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: Re: Special Hobby Spad VII has a big side panel.. Message-ID: > > Or it's representative of a very small number of aircraft > that *do* have it > for access to IIRC a camera. > > FWIW which is not much because I didn't look it up and my > memory suffers > from CRS syndrome and Oldtimers disease > > Shane Well at least you're braver than me, I didn't dare answer at all, haven't the foggiest! Makes sense what Volker says, but I can't even recall any Spads with a panel like that, and I guess I ought to. /Neil C. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 13:31:51 +0100 From: "Tomasz Gronczewski" To: Subject: RE: Special Hobby Spad VII has a big side panel.. Message-ID: > Does anyone know why the Specail Hobby Spad VII has > a big panel on the left > hand side of the fuselage just under and to the rear > of the cockpit ? Because the Spad preserved in Czech republic has so. Those panels were implemented in very late Spad 7s. In most cases you sholud remove the panel :o( > I > can't see it in any pics. Many post war Spads had that panel, but when we talk about wartime aircraft there was only Arthur Brooks' Spad VII that I have seen with the dreaded piece of metal attached. Tomasz ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 23:34:19 +1100 From: "Ross & Wendy Moorhouse" To: Subject: Re: Special Hobby Spad VII has a big side panel.. Message-ID: <005d01c28ca3$51a91ab0$9a4e2dcb@future> I have the stripped down version of that book that Osprey is selling through newsagents here as a weekly series and it has this plane on the very last page. yes that looks like the panel in the SH kit. Cheers Ross ----- Original Message ----- From: "Volker Haeusler" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Friday, November 15, 2002 11:29 PM Subject: [WWI] Re: Special Hobby Spad VII has a big side panel.. > Then again: > > I maybe should first look into some literature, before I react to a > thread... > > I just opened the Osprey "Spad VII Aces of WW I" book, curious on whether I > would find such a Spad, and the *first* photo I saw (the last one in the > book - I obvioulsy started flipping through it from the back...) on p 87 > shows Brook´s "Smith I" with a panel on the left side. Does not look like > the panel I had in mind, but it might be the one depicted in the SH kit. > Flipping through the rest of that book, I could not find a second similar > aircraft (but I only glanced on the pages). No idea what THAT panel might be > for... > > Volker > > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 13:36:19 +0100 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: Re: odd duck Spads Message-ID: Thanks Ken, you're right, 22 it is. Actually I think it was a 13 fuselage or maybe even a 17 fuselage. If I haven't screwed up again, the 17 is the fully faired 13 with 300hp Hispano. /Neil C. (the one with no memory) > The 22. > A 7 fuse with radical wings. Upper - swept back, lower - > swept forward. The > mid-bay is the weird one. The front stick is canted well forward to > accommodate the wing business. Then it has X braces as well, > rather than the > simpler lines we are used to seeing. From the looks of the > pic, had three > cabanes. > 300 hp Hisso, 2 blade prop. > > hth > > Ken > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 23:39:11 +1100 From: "Ross & Wendy Moorhouse" To: Subject: RE: Special Hobby Spad VII has a big side panel.. Message-ID: <006301c28ca3$ffbf7310$9a4e2dcb@future> Removing that panel from the kit fuselage doesn't look that easy. Making the kit into a post war one would be easier. Maybe Japanese or Finnish. Cheers Ross ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tomasz Gronczewski" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Friday, November 15, 2002 11:36 PM Subject: [WWI] RE: Special Hobby Spad VII has a big side panel.. > > Does anyone know why the Specail Hobby Spad VII has > > a big panel on the left > > hand side of the fuselage just under and to the rear > > of the cockpit ? > > Because the Spad preserved in Czech republic has so. Those panels were > implemented in very late Spad 7s. > In most cases you sholud remove the panel :o( > > > I > > can't see it in any pics. > > Many post war Spads had that panel, but when we talk about wartime aircraft > there was only Arthur Brooks' Spad VII that I have seen with the dreaded > piece of metal attached. > > Tomasz > > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 12:37:21 -0000 From: "Pedro N. Soares" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Casting a spell Message-ID: <12AEB3D996DDD311B98A00508B6D75B3024F406E@TUFAO> Dave, Guess they're still going through that phase when one side of the bed is more than enough for the two of them..... Pedro > > Dave F asked > > Have you sorted out the biggest problem facing newly weds - > who has which > side > > of the bed? > > It depends on where I fall... not an issue, really > D. > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 13:39:32 +0100 From: Crawford Neil To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: Re: Special Hobby Spad VII has a big side panel.. Message-ID: Isn't Smith IV in the Smithsonian, and (as usual IIRC) it has "photo" on the side. I looked on the site, if I'd sent in a pic of it, but I hadn't, I'll try and do that this weekend. /Neil C. I obvioulsy started flipping through it from the > back...) on p 87 > shows Brook´s "Smith I" with a panel on the left side. Does > not look like > the panel I had in mind, but it might be the one depicted in > the SH kit. > Flipping through the rest of that book, I could not find a > second similar > aircraft (but I only glanced on the pages). No idea what THAT > panel might be > for... > > Volker > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 22:41:38 +1000 From: "Shane Weier" To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Special Hobby Spad VII has a big side panel.. Message-ID: Neil says: > > Or it's representative of a very small number of aircraft > > that *do* have it > > for access to IIRC a camera. > > >Well at least you're braver than me, I didn't dare answer at all, >haven't the foggiest! Makes sense what Volker says, but I can't >even recall any Spads with a panel like that, and I guess I ought to. I *should* have read all my mail before answering. Volker's post was already in my inbox and I'd believe him above myself every time. Having has the pleasure of his company at dinner a couple of times I can recommend him as a rapid data recovery system for your modelling room ;-) The only camera panel I can actually remember on *any* SPAD VII is the one visible in photos of the belly of Baracca's still extant machine Shane _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 4779 **********************